| Gazball 08:33 - Apr 30 with 32042 views | DWQPR |
Was thinking that if more teams adopted Gazball as we’ve seen in the last couple of matches, could it leave the ball left on the halfway line with both teams sitting deep in their own halves waiting for the other team to make a move? |  |
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| Gazball on 15:59 - May 2 with 2384 views | E15Hoop |
| Gazball on 15:48 - May 2 by EastR |
Its all quite simple really.
Ask yourself if you’ll be happy to see Josh Scowen in our midfield next season, or not. |
Another example of stereotyping that is not based on any fact whatseover, or are you completly disinterested in reading anything that anyone else has written on this thread? | | | |
| Gazball on 16:03 - May 2 with 2345 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
This is from Clive’s interview pre Wycombe in Dec 20. I’ll let an actual fan with 8 years of Ainsworth under his belt speak for itself. My favourite line was
“Gaz’s philosophy was never going to change; that’s not a straightforward thing to do and nor is it necessary. Effectiveness > aesthetics”
Has the much-talked about style of play from last season been changed or modified for the higher level?
Not at all. We still have our default style of play — very direct, and often extremely direct when Akinfenwa’s on the pitch — and we still adapt to the opposition to try and exploit their weaknesses and disrupt what they’re good at. Our fans often talk about plan A and B, but that’s a very binary way of looking at the game and Gaz will always make tweaks to one extent or another. If Uche Ikpeazu can stay fit, things might change slightly as he’s much more mobile than the big man and probably capable of playing up front on his own — which would allow us to accommodate three of our wealth of exciting wingers / number 10 options behind him — but Gaz’s philosophy was never going to change; that’s not a straightforward thing to do and nor is it necessary. Effectiveness > aesthetics.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/53715
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| Gazball on 16:03 - May 2 with 2348 views | daveB |
| Gazball on 15:53 - May 2 by QPR_John |
“ My concern with the style of football was the 10 games before these 2 when we had no real pattern of play and were just lumping it forward, that's the big worry for me going forward.”
But was it not the style of football before Ainsworth that got us in the position we were. It had to change. I know how well we started the season with these players but that way of playing requires confidence along with talent. Confidence was clearly shot so a different approach was required and the result was, however it was achieved, we are in the Championship next season. Ainsworth deserves a chance. |
That way of playing requires a different approach and not one Ainsworth can do which is fine but we can't keep pretending he's been forced into this, he's played the same way for 10 years. Critchley played a pretty similar way, 4-4-2, high press and gaps all over the place which is part of why he was sacked |  | | |
| Gazball on 16:31 - May 2 with 2279 views | EastR |
| Gazball on 15:59 - May 2 by E15Hoop |
Another example of stereotyping that is not based on any fact whatseover, or are you completly disinterested in reading anything that anyone else has written on this thread? |
Do you mean when like when someone posted “the Club has shifted their ambition down a gear”, the (your) reply was:
“That is probably actually very healthy, especially given the impoact that FFP will most liklety have on squad-building next season”.
And the manager calls for “an expectations reset”.
Sounds like a potential Josh Scowen type signing(s). Time will tell. | |
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| Gazball on 16:54 - May 2 with 2228 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 16:31 - May 2 by EastR |
Do you mean when like when someone posted “the Club has shifted their ambition down a gear”, the (your) reply was:
“That is probably actually very healthy, especially given the impoact that FFP will most liklety have on squad-building next season”.
And the manager calls for “an expectations reset”.
Sounds like a potential Josh Scowen type signing(s). Time will tell. |
Josh Scowen joins a long list of holding midfielders we’ve abused that were respected elsewhere in my opinion. | | | |
| Gazball on 17:13 - May 2 with 2161 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Gazball on 16:54 - May 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Josh Scowen joins a long list of holding midfielders we’ve abused that were respected elsewhere in my opinion. |
and scorer of the goal of the season in his last game for us. One of the best goals this century IMO. |  |
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| Gazball on 17:17 - May 2 with 2121 views | ingeminate |
| Gazball on 17:13 - May 2 by Esox_Lucius |
and scorer of the goal of the season in his last game for us. One of the best goals this century IMO. |
For balance he turned in one of the worst performances I've ever seen a footballer give away at Blackpool in the cup. Determined to be sent off he had to be subbed after only 26 minutes. |  |
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| Gazball on 17:20 - May 2 with 2108 views | Andybrat |
| Gazball on 13:38 - Apr 30 by DavieQPR |
GA's style was boring but effective, what was needed. Let's just see what he does next season. |
I wonder if we will see a change Monday | | | |
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| Gazball on 17:40 - May 2 with 1992 views | BerkoRanger |
| Gazball on 15:09 - May 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m suggesting that…
1) Fretting about style, tactics, and strategy at this stage is premature, unfair, and unreasonable.
2) Lots of assumptions about GA’s style are unwarranted.
3) Lots of conclusions about GA’s style are exaggerated.
4) We should adjust our expectations as a fan base to fit our FFP situation and overall income, attendance, and circumstances.
That doesn’t mean expect relegation, just be a bit more open minded about our place in this league and don’t treat every defeat as a disaster.
5) A more direct / low possession / high shithouse style is legitimate and proven successful for plenty of teams in our range, assuming it’s applied practically.
6) We give the fcking bloke a chance longer than 4 months without a transfer window and a squad full of everyone else’s failures. [Post edited 2 May 2023 23:13]
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| Gazball on 17:43 - May 2 with 1985 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Gazball on 15:09 - May 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m suggesting that…
1) Fretting about style, tactics, and strategy at this stage is premature, unfair, and unreasonable.
2) Lots of assumptions about GA’s style are unwarranted.
3) Lots of conclusions about GA’s style are exaggerated.
4) We should adjust our expectations as a fan base to fit our FFP situation and overall income, attendance, and circumstances.
That doesn’t mean expect relegation, just be a bit more open minded about our place in this league and don’t treat every defeat as a disaster.
5) A more direct / low possession / high shithouse style is legitimate and proven successful for plenty of teams in our range, assuming it’s applied practically.
6) We give the fcking bloke a chance longer than 4 months without a transfer window and a squad full of everyone else’s failures. [Post edited 2 May 2023 23:13]
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I'm not anti-GA, rather in 'antti-agreement' (see antti-h's considered post a few down from yours on page 4).
I also think that while your points 2 and 3 suggest we should all calm down a bit, the sentiment is cruelly clutched from us at point 5. I'm sure you're not advocating Gazball per se, but you certainly seem prepared to forewarn all Rfosi to be prepared to 'embrace' the prospect, should GA seek to use it as plan A.
I think he got lucky at Burnley with it, and it was enough to beat a woeful Stoke, but I'm not convinced it will be effective over the course of a season in the Championship and I very much doubt many will stomach perpetual shithousery on an industrial scale, as opposed to an occasional cottage industry if required.
But as I said here and on another fred, he deserves a preseason and good luck to him. |  |
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| Gazball on 17:43 - May 2 with 1985 views | E15Hoop |
| Gazball on 16:31 - May 2 by EastR |
Do you mean when like when someone posted “the Club has shifted their ambition down a gear”, the (your) reply was:
“That is probably actually very healthy, especially given the impoact that FFP will most liklety have on squad-building next season”.
And the manager calls for “an expectations reset”.
Sounds like a potential Josh Scowen type signing(s). Time will tell. |
Doesn't have to mean that specifically, does it? My point was in response to many on this forum who seem to think we should still be in the market for signing a £10m Premier League striker with the aim of "pushing the boat out for promotion".
The context was that we are now fishing once again in the pool of (hopefully) well-researched freebies, gems from the lower leagues who will probably need some development input, and almost certainly loans again, depending on the deal that ties us into.
It doesn't have to mean "cloggers" which I believe is what you are inferring here, although, as others have pointed out, you can't fault Josh Scowen for the effort and service he gave this club or endorse the horrendous trolling he was on the end of during his time at LR. | | | |
| Gazball on 17:53 - May 2 with 1954 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 17:43 - May 2 by PlanetHonneywood |
I'm not anti-GA, rather in 'antti-agreement' (see antti-h's considered post a few down from yours on page 4).
I also think that while your points 2 and 3 suggest we should all calm down a bit, the sentiment is cruelly clutched from us at point 5. I'm sure you're not advocating Gazball per se, but you certainly seem prepared to forewarn all Rfosi to be prepared to 'embrace' the prospect, should GA seek to use it as plan A.
I think he got lucky at Burnley with it, and it was enough to beat a woeful Stoke, but I'm not convinced it will be effective over the course of a season in the Championship and I very much doubt many will stomach perpetual shithousery on an industrial scale, as opposed to an occasional cottage industry if required.
But as I said here and on another fred, he deserves a preseason and good luck to him. |
The last sentence is all anyone can ask for. | | | |
| Gazball on 18:03 - May 2 with 1917 views | daveB |
| Gazball on 17:43 - May 2 by E15Hoop |
Doesn't have to mean that specifically, does it? My point was in response to many on this forum who seem to think we should still be in the market for signing a £10m Premier League striker with the aim of "pushing the boat out for promotion".
The context was that we are now fishing once again in the pool of (hopefully) well-researched freebies, gems from the lower leagues who will probably need some development input, and almost certainly loans again, depending on the deal that ties us into.
It doesn't have to mean "cloggers" which I believe is what you are inferring here, although, as others have pointed out, you can't fault Josh Scowen for the effort and service he gave this club or endorse the horrendous trolling he was on the end of during his time at LR. |
I've not seen anyone on this forum suggest we should be signing £10m Premier league players | | | |
| Gazball on 18:09 - May 2 with 1875 views | ibnumber10 |
| Gazball on 17:43 - May 2 by E15Hoop |
Doesn't have to mean that specifically, does it? My point was in response to many on this forum who seem to think we should still be in the market for signing a £10m Premier League striker with the aim of "pushing the boat out for promotion".
The context was that we are now fishing once again in the pool of (hopefully) well-researched freebies, gems from the lower leagues who will probably need some development input, and almost certainly loans again, depending on the deal that ties us into.
It doesn't have to mean "cloggers" which I believe is what you are inferring here, although, as others have pointed out, you can't fault Josh Scowen for the effort and service he gave this club or endorse the horrendous trolling he was on the end of during his time at LR. |
Signing £10 Million Strikers - who is suggesting that? | | | |
| Gazball on 18:12 - May 2 with 1853 views | E15Hoop |
| Gazball on 18:03 - May 2 by daveB |
I've not seen anyone on this forum suggest we should be signing £10m Premier league players |
Good. Because the "sign a f*cking striker" brigade were certainly out in force not that long ago. Hopefully the message that we have less of a pot to p*ss in even than this time last year now, might have finally sunk in, and when people start demanding Man City type entertainment and results (which they will) and throwing all kinds of sh*t at the management and the board (which some already seem to be priming themselves to do) they might remember that the real world doesn't quite work like that. | | | |
| Gazball on 18:41 - May 2 with 1763 views | dmm |
One of my concerns is whether the board has decided to ditch both the club style of football and the plan to develop young players.
By appointing Ainsworth they've considerably broadened what the club style is and possibly changed it altogether. And, what about the development plan? Ainsworth seems to value older players a great deal as evidenced at Wycombe. He's spoken of needing leaders/generals/experience and wants to retain Martin. So I wonder how that fits in with the plan?
We should be able to tell quite a lot about all of this from the coming transfer window - who leaves and the type and age of player recruited. It's going to be a more than interesting few months. |  | | |
| Gazball on 18:53 - May 2 with 1747 views | swisscottage |
The problem is unless you have the kind of money Burnley had to put together the kind of squad they had, we are always going to fight an uphill battle to put together a side that can play Warbsball or Bealeball consistently over the season.
You are only ever one key player away being injured, on AFCON duty, or otherwise underperforming for a stretch of bad results, because at the end of the day your style of football is only ever built around one or two key individuals.
In our case we required an in-form Johansen, Chair and Willock to play that kind of football. Any one of those missing and it just didn't work and everyone starts whining about constantly passing the ball in front of the opposition and failing to have any meaningful possession, and then we over commit and lose possession and end up conceding on the counter attack.
With our budget, you can either have a pure footballing side, susceptible to bad runs when injuries hit, or you can have a more organised pragmatic approach to putting a side together which is more able to grind out results because they are less dependent on individuals.
To be honest I'd rather watch us making Stoke look like idiots with 80% possession and only two attempts on goal of any worth, whilst making the most of our possession, than watch us incessantly pass the ball between Dickie, Dunne, Dieng and Field for half the match as we did for many matches under Warburton, Beale, and Critchley. [Post edited 2 May 2023 18:53]
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| Gazball on 18:57 - May 2 with 1740 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 18:41 - May 2 by dmm |
One of my concerns is whether the board has decided to ditch both the club style of football and the plan to develop young players.
By appointing Ainsworth they've considerably broadened what the club style is and possibly changed it altogether. And, what about the development plan? Ainsworth seems to value older players a great deal as evidenced at Wycombe. He's spoken of needing leaders/generals/experience and wants to retain Martin. So I wonder how that fits in with the plan?
We should be able to tell quite a lot about all of this from the coming transfer window - who leaves and the type and age of player recruited. It's going to be a more than interesting few months. |
He blooded a good few youngsters at Wycombe, including many of our own.
He was the first one to give Drewe a chance (as forced as it was) and I don’t remember anyone else putting Dixon Bonner on the bench until he did (I may be wrong).
He and Armstrong will get on like a house on fire I reckon.
I think necessity will be the master of our development system. I doubt he’s ever worked with the facilities we’ll have ready this summer either. | | | |
| Gazball on 19:13 - May 2 with 1672 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 18:53 - May 2 by swisscottage |
The problem is unless you have the kind of money Burnley had to put together the kind of squad they had, we are always going to fight an uphill battle to put together a side that can play Warbsball or Bealeball consistently over the season.
You are only ever one key player away being injured, on AFCON duty, or otherwise underperforming for a stretch of bad results, because at the end of the day your style of football is only ever built around one or two key individuals.
In our case we required an in-form Johansen, Chair and Willock to play that kind of football. Any one of those missing and it just didn't work and everyone starts whining about constantly passing the ball in front of the opposition and failing to have any meaningful possession, and then we over commit and lose possession and end up conceding on the counter attack.
With our budget, you can either have a pure footballing side, susceptible to bad runs when injuries hit, or you can have a more organised pragmatic approach to putting a side together which is more able to grind out results because they are less dependent on individuals.
To be honest I'd rather watch us making Stoke look like idiots with 80% possession and only two attempts on goal of any worth, whilst making the most of our possession, than watch us incessantly pass the ball between Dickie, Dunne, Dieng and Field for half the match as we did for many matches under Warburton, Beale, and Critchley. [Post edited 2 May 2023 18:53]
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Huddersfield beat us at LR in a similar manner, not that I think we'll be conceding 80% possession very often whoever we get in the summer! That number was insane! | | | |
| Gazball on 19:19 - May 2 with 1643 views | Rangersw12 |
| Gazball on 16:54 - May 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Josh Scowen joins a long list of holding midfielders we’ve abused that were respected elsewhere in my opinion. |
Josh Scowen was phased about by Warburton as he clearly couldn't play progressive football.
He got some stick on twitter but his old man contributed to a lot of the online hate with some stupid comments
Either way he isn't good enough | | | |
| Gazball on 19:24 - May 2 with 1633 views | Rangersw12 |
| Gazball on 18:12 - May 2 by E15Hoop |
Good. Because the "sign a f*cking striker" brigade were certainly out in force not that long ago. Hopefully the message that we have less of a pot to p*ss in even than this time last year now, might have finally sunk in, and when people start demanding Man City type entertainment and results (which they will) and throwing all kinds of sh*t at the management and the board (which some already seem to be priming themselves to do) they might remember that the real world doesn't quite work like that. |
What are you talking about?
Nobody is demanding Man City football or sign a striker.
What some people don't want is us to turn into a Wimbledon tribute band but as has been said many times time will tell if GA can change his style.
For me I don't think he will and I would get rid now but happy to be proven wrong. | | | |
| Gazball on 19:31 - May 2 with 1607 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 19:19 - May 2 by Rangersw12 |
Josh Scowen was phased about by Warburton as he clearly couldn't play progressive football.
He got some stick on twitter but his old man contributed to a lot of the online hate with some stupid comments
Either way he isn't good enough |
That worked out well for Warburton didn’t it.
Disagree he wasn’t good enough. A subject of snobbery, like Dom Ball, that ultimately backfired on us. | | | |
| Gazball on 19:43 - May 2 with 1576 views | Rangersw12 |
| Gazball on 19:31 - May 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
That worked out well for Warburton didn’t it.
Disagree he wasn’t good enough. A subject of snobbery, like Dom Ball, that ultimately backfired on us. |
We replaced him with Sam Field who can trap a ball and pass unlike Scowen.
If Scowen is as good as you think he is why isn't he playing for a Championship side?
I liked Don Ball who was far better than Scowen [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:45]
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| Gazball on 19:56 - May 2 with 1543 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gazball on 19:43 - May 2 by Rangersw12 |
We replaced him with Sam Field who can trap a ball and pass unlike Scowen.
If Scowen is as good as you think he is why isn't he playing for a Championship side?
I liked Don Ball who was far better than Scowen [Post edited 2 May 2023 19:45]
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There was a whole season between Scowen leaving and Field joining.
Played at Sunderland in League One. Not to be sniffed at. Plenty of players play in lower leagues than they should.
Not saying he’s Patrick Veira, or even that we should re-sign him, just that we missed him. | | | |
| Gazball on 20:12 - May 2 with 1497 views | QPR_John |
| Gazball on 19:24 - May 2 by Rangersw12 |
What are you talking about?
Nobody is demanding Man City football or sign a striker.
What some people don't want is us to turn into a Wimbledon tribute band but as has been said many times time will tell if GA can change his style.
For me I don't think he will and I would get rid now but happy to be proven wrong. |
Come and work for us, successfully meet the immediate target you are given then you can pack your bags so we can go back to playing the flowing entertaining football that was so successful before you arrived. | | | |
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