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I'm starting to feel that a lot of people are expecting and wanting us to fail this year and it's beginning to get on me nerves to be honest! I'm starting to feel a certain them and us theme creeping into how our feel! I want Rangers to prove people wrong ! So Com on U Rsssssss! Just to get this clear I dont mean our OWN fans .....
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AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
It was a big part of his Wycombe as I understand it. No money, no resources, nobody likes us, nobody gives us a chance - fck em.
Historically at Wycombe against the so called bigger teams they had a very good record it was against the average sides they struggled as they were forced to make the play. But similar to Burnley, Stoke games his sides once settled in can absorb intense pressure, get a goal and then grit it out. Sometimes not pretty but with limited resources it can work with the right personnel. Get the squad together and believing then you have a chance. From what I’ve seen of the tour videos it looks positive though they are hardly going to post anything negative.
I didn't mean our own fans mate , of course no one who supports a club wants it to fail. I'm more talking about people outside the club .
Ah, I skim read the thread earlier, so missed that. To be fair, I think most teams do not care who goes down unless its not their team. Who are our great "rivals" anyway - Millwall because of the London thing, but not so much. Watford maybe because we keep beating them, but is there any other team that has it in for us?
Not any more I think - Derby, Brentford, Fulham, Reading, Luton - all gone now...
I want to believe so badly,that GA and these players will do what is required to stay in the Championship...that is my heart talking. Unfortunately my head usually wins in these arguments about QPR outcomes (40+ odd years following this barmy club) - and I'll be amazed if we aren't relegated. Maybe even the first to drop. Strangely I am not as worried about it as I should be.I think since the Lockdown, especially at LR, any lingering enthusiasm about our club.has been knocked out of me..in the short term anyway. A lot of R's I know feel the same way.Will be delighted if someone reposts this and makes me eat my words. Come on U R'ss
Extending the 'Them and Us' theme a little further, I can see Ainsworth instilling this idea within the squad - underdog QPR against the world; a bit like Holloway's good old days.
Think that's the only way for us this season. That way, if we do go down, at least there'll be a bit of pride in it.
It's pretty hard not to feel down as a fan. Our bubble was well and truly popped in the last half of Warburton's final season and pretty much everything that happened last season turned to ratsh*t in our hands. Years of slowly, painfully dragging ourselves out of the hole that Redknapp left us in and here we are again.
We need to start with zero expectations when it comes to points in the table but total support if the lads look like they're scrapping for everything.
My concern is that aside from Smyth so far, we know the players and what to expect from them. Ainsworth may get them running harder further faster etc but its unlikely he is going to improve them as players, so on that basis I have a low expectation for the season.
There were some on here complaining how far we have fallen compared to the teams around us geographically, at least previously we had aspirations to compete at the top end of the championship. All the talk coming from the club and especially Ainsworth have completely reversed that, we are now told that we were nailed on for relegation and were only saved by a miracle.
Maybe I am just a sucker for people at least trying to aspire to better things
I’m surprised at how quickly expectations have changed. This time last year we were hopeful of another crack at finishing in the top 6. Now most of us would be happy to avoid relegation.
I’m surprised at how quickly expectations have changed. This time last year we were hopeful of another crack at finishing in the top 6. Now most of us would be happy to avoid relegation.
My concern is that aside from Smyth so far, we know the players and what to expect from them. Ainsworth may get them running harder further faster etc but its unlikely he is going to improve them as players, so on that basis I have a low expectation for the season.
There were some on here complaining how far we have fallen compared to the teams around us geographically, at least previously we had aspirations to compete at the top end of the championship. All the talk coming from the club and especially Ainsworth have completely reversed that, we are now told that we were nailed on for relegation and were only saved by a miracle.
Maybe I am just a sucker for people at least trying to aspire to better things
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Why is it unlilkely that Ainsworth is going to improve them as players? I don't understand where this assumption comes from, especially as we already know that Paul Hall is working 1-1 with the forwards, Sinclair Armstrong in particular, to improve their movement and the impact of their running. As I understand it, Paul Furlong has now been tasked specifically with getting the Development Squad players up to speed in as record a time as possible. All of this, plus the other changes that have already been made in terms of fitness personnel, point to the fact that Ainsworth has identified specific issues that need addressing as a priority and is trying to meet them head on. With all the experience that Ainsworth had as a Championship player, maybe he's actually better equipped in some ways to give our players exactly what they need from a practical perspective than fancy-dan coaches who know the theory, but have never had the experience of making that final lung-bursting run in the 89th minute of a high-pressure Championship fixture that might make the difference between a win, draw or loss?
I’m surprised at how quickly expectations have changed. This time last year we were hopeful of another crack at finishing in the top 6. Now most of us would be happy to avoid relegation.
Well - this time last year I didn't think that at all. I thought we would really struggle very badly, because I didn't need a thermometer to take the temperature of the squad from the final 4 months of the season. However, our trump card by September was an inspirational coach. I know everyone hates him, but the fact is he made a team, for however brief-a period, look like potential challengers when for several months either side of him we looked like the worst team in the league, or close to it. So I revised my expectations and had huge hopes by late September. Sadly, my initial expectations were much closer to the mark. Now we have an even weaker squad who basically stayed up through luck. Not sure what other expectation we can possibly have.
Well - this time last year I didn't think that at all. I thought we would really struggle very badly, because I didn't need a thermometer to take the temperature of the squad from the final 4 months of the season. However, our trump card by September was an inspirational coach. I know everyone hates him, but the fact is he made a team, for however brief-a period, look like potential challengers when for several months either side of him we looked like the worst team in the league, or close to it. So I revised my expectations and had huge hopes by late September. Sadly, my initial expectations were much closer to the mark. Now we have an even weaker squad who basically stayed up through luck. Not sure what other expectation we can possibly have.
Balanced, realistic expectations are surely the most healthy to be having anyway, aren't they? We all know (or at least those of us who have been paying attention do) what we're working with financially, and how that impacts how we construct a playing squad.
I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who feels that we've somehow had a divine right to unqualified success mysteriously stolen from under our noses.
At least we've got people in place now who are working their hardest to try to ensure that we've hit the bottom of the curve and put sustainable building blocks in place to try to move us upwards. Far better to have that than the castles made of sand we've had over the last couple of seasons in particular.
Why is it unlilkely that Ainsworth is going to improve them as players? I don't understand where this assumption comes from, especially as we already know that Paul Hall is working 1-1 with the forwards, Sinclair Armstrong in particular, to improve their movement and the impact of their running. As I understand it, Paul Furlong has now been tasked specifically with getting the Development Squad players up to speed in as record a time as possible. All of this, plus the other changes that have already been made in terms of fitness personnel, point to the fact that Ainsworth has identified specific issues that need addressing as a priority and is trying to meet them head on. With all the experience that Ainsworth had as a Championship player, maybe he's actually better equipped in some ways to give our players exactly what they need from a practical perspective than fancy-dan coaches who know the theory, but have never had the experience of making that final lung-bursting run in the 89th minute of a high-pressure Championship fixture that might make the difference between a win, draw or loss?
"Paul Furlong has now been tasked specifically with getting the Development Squad players up to speed in as record a time as possible."
That's literally his job isn't it? It's like saying Ainsworth has been tasked with getting as many points on the board as soon as possible. Yeah, of course he has, that's his job. What magic do we think Furlong will conjure up that he wasn't able to before, working with the same players?
"Paul Furlong has now been tasked specifically with getting the Development Squad players up to speed in as record a time as possible."
That's literally his job isn't it? It's like saying Ainsworth has been tasked with getting as many points on the board as soon as possible. Yeah, of course he has, that's his job. What magic do we think Furlong will conjure up that he wasn't able to before, working with the same players?
Maybe the fact that there's more structure around the organisation of the squad, the fact that they've now had a concentrated taste of what being involved with the first team squad means, that there's the background work going on around culture, new fitness coaches, new equipment in a new environment. The sense that this is effectively a fresh start with the input of new energy and focus can in itself have a positive impact. Plus presumably this new coaching badge he's just got counts for something.
Maybe the fact that there's more structure around the organisation of the squad, the fact that they've now had a concentrated taste of what being involved with the first team squad means, that there's the background work going on around culture, new fitness coaches, new equipment in a new environment. The sense that this is effectively a fresh start with the input of new energy and focus can in itself have a positive impact. Plus presumably this new coaching badge he's just got counts for something.
Wasn't that the same in pre season last year?
I thought they all trained together & Armstrong in particular, impressed enough to be moved to the first team squad.
I honestly don't think anyone outside QPR gives any thought to how QPR are going to do next season. There's never been a "media conspiracy" against us. We don't have any local rivals in the same division. We're just another not very big, not very good football club.
Why is it unlilkely that Ainsworth is going to improve them as players? I don't understand where this assumption comes from, especially as we already know that Paul Hall is working 1-1 with the forwards, Sinclair Armstrong in particular, to improve their movement and the impact of their running. As I understand it, Paul Furlong has now been tasked specifically with getting the Development Squad players up to speed in as record a time as possible. All of this, plus the other changes that have already been made in terms of fitness personnel, point to the fact that Ainsworth has identified specific issues that need addressing as a priority and is trying to meet them head on. With all the experience that Ainsworth had as a Championship player, maybe he's actually better equipped in some ways to give our players exactly what they need from a practical perspective than fancy-dan coaches who know the theory, but have never had the experience of making that final lung-bursting run in the 89th minute of a high-pressure Championship fixture that might make the difference between a win, draw or loss?
The proof then will be in the eating!
Your point about the lung busting run in the final minute backs up my perception of what Ainsworth offers us, getting players to run harder for longer. I just do not think it is enough. It is one approach to running a club with no money, I personally would prefer a 'Fancy Dan' coach who is trying something new rather than taking us back to the 80's. Just because it didn't work over the last 5 years doesn't mean it is not the right approach.
Your point about the lung busting run in the final minute backs up my perception of what Ainsworth offers us, getting players to run harder for longer. I just do not think it is enough. It is one approach to running a club with no money, I personally would prefer a 'Fancy Dan' coach who is trying something new rather than taking us back to the 80's. Just because it didn't work over the last 5 years doesn't mean it is not the right approach.
On the flip side “running harder for longer” was the basis of Millwall’s and Luton’s rise up the league. Tactically they were pretty rudimentary and signed lower league players who were strong and quick. It’s only in the last season or two their tactics developed any sort of nuance.
And there are countless examples in the Champ of where out working your opponents wins you games and gets you up the table. That Barnsley side that almost made the play offs were dreadful on paper but played a ridiculously high press game that caused other teams to sh*t bed.
Currently you have lots of sides trying to play pretty football and failing.
I want quick, incisive attacking. That doesn’t mean hump it long to an isolated Dykes. But if we can move it forward quickly, get it wide quickly and attack full backs, sling in crosses before the defence is settled, I’ll be happy.
Well - this time last year I didn't think that at all. I thought we would really struggle very badly, because I didn't need a thermometer to take the temperature of the squad from the final 4 months of the season. However, our trump card by September was an inspirational coach. I know everyone hates him, but the fact is he made a team, for however brief-a period, look like potential challengers when for several months either side of him we looked like the worst team in the league, or close to it. So I revised my expectations and had huge hopes by late September. Sadly, my initial expectations were much closer to the mark. Now we have an even weaker squad who basically stayed up through luck. Not sure what other expectation we can possibly have.
Beale had taken 1 point from 15 when he jumped ship so the decline had started .
Struggling to see how we stayed up by luck , ugly football , sh*thousery, primitive tactics maybe but I cant remember having luck than won us any points .
I think we probably do have a few fans that want us to fail. One game just before lock down I had the misfortune to sit near this father and son who spent the entire game effing off about lazy eze, how unbelievably useless pugh was and just about every other player on the team. Then they left with 20 minutes to go. Presumably these sort of people want us to fail, as this ranting is what they go for. Don't know if they still go, have always sat somewhere else since
So spake the great Gareth Gramsci, as he led his rag-tag band of scorn-withered troops back from Austria to the British Isles....
"The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born, because of financial constraints of FFP; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear"
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