| Chris Willock 08:04 - Apr 3 with 6124 views | thehat |
Is he injured for Saturday - Wasn't selected or on the bench for their last game.
Hope so otherwise it's written in the stars who will get the winner. |  | | |  |
| Chris Willock on 22:15 - Apr 3 with 1984 views | GaryHaddock |
| Chris Willock on 17:56 - Apr 3 by KensalT |
Jordan Archer, Isaac Hayden and Andre the Friendly Ghost at Pompey.
Jeff Hendrick and Conor Washington at Derby.
One league goal between the five of them - Dozzell v Oxford. [Post edited 3 Apr 18:20]
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Ok, other than those 9, who else haha |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 22:36 - Apr 3 with 1925 views | numptydumpty |
| Chris Willock on 22:15 - Apr 3 by GaryHaddock |
Ok, other than those 9, who else haha |
People won't like this post
But a mate of mine is a Pompey season ticket holder and he says that Dozzell has been superb for Pompey this season and has been a fans favourite and what my friend said about Dozzell, is that he is strong and gets stuck in and is a real fighter.
He was serious. I questioned that as he had an extreme habit of being invisible for QPR. We finally got shot of Dozzell and replaced him with Madsen.
If we manage to offload Madsen, I predict he will perform elsewhere. It's not going to happen here.
Something about our club seems to have a negative effect on certain types of players.
Infected with defective QPR genes...
Only cured once leaving the QPR building - it seems.. |  |
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| Chris Willock on 22:45 - Apr 3 with 1911 views | GaryHaddock |
| Chris Willock on 22:36 - Apr 3 by numptydumpty |
People won't like this post
But a mate of mine is a Pompey season ticket holder and he says that Dozzell has been superb for Pompey this season and has been a fans favourite and what my friend said about Dozzell, is that he is strong and gets stuck in and is a real fighter.
He was serious. I questioned that as he had an extreme habit of being invisible for QPR. We finally got shot of Dozzell and replaced him with Madsen.
If we manage to offload Madsen, I predict he will perform elsewhere. It's not going to happen here.
Something about our club seems to have a negative effect on certain types of players.
Infected with defective QPR genes...
Only cured once leaving the QPR building - it seems.. |
Quality Players Ruined | | | |
| Chris Willock on 00:00 - Apr 4 with 1814 views | Northernr |
| Chris Willock on 22:36 - Apr 3 by numptydumpty |
People won't like this post
But a mate of mine is a Pompey season ticket holder and he says that Dozzell has been superb for Pompey this season and has been a fans favourite and what my friend said about Dozzell, is that he is strong and gets stuck in and is a real fighter.
He was serious. I questioned that as he had an extreme habit of being invisible for QPR. We finally got shot of Dozzell and replaced him with Madsen.
If we manage to offload Madsen, I predict he will perform elsewhere. It's not going to happen here.
Something about our club seems to have a negative effect on certain types of players.
Infected with defective QPR genes...
Only cured once leaving the QPR building - it seems.. |
I think that's what people mean when they talk about club culture.
At Portsmouth the culture is you go to Fratton Park as a visiting team and you get a fcking hard time. They'll turn you over there. They put it in on you. They tackle HARD. The crowd get in with you. The atmosphere is hostile. Limited team, but well drilled, fit, aggressive. That's the culture, the image. They'll forgive you a lot, but at Fratton Park it's a war and if you're not up for that then fck off. They recruit players to go along with that. And if you don't play like that, like that, deliver that... you don't play, or you don't last there.
Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team.
When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around.
Our culture is one of phoning in injuries, downing tools for six weeks if you don't like the manager, sacking the manager to cover failings elsewhere, windmilling your micropenis around whenever you get within six points of the play offs, and losing the last dozen games of every season because you're too busy focusing on your next contract/loan deal/Dubai holiday. |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 00:08 - Apr 4 with 1797 views | Rangersw12 |
| Chris Willock on 00:00 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
I think that's what people mean when they talk about club culture.
At Portsmouth the culture is you go to Fratton Park as a visiting team and you get a fcking hard time. They'll turn you over there. They put it in on you. They tackle HARD. The crowd get in with you. The atmosphere is hostile. Limited team, but well drilled, fit, aggressive. That's the culture, the image. They'll forgive you a lot, but at Fratton Park it's a war and if you're not up for that then fck off. They recruit players to go along with that. And if you don't play like that, like that, deliver that... you don't play, or you don't last there.
Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team.
When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around.
Our culture is one of phoning in injuries, downing tools for six weeks if you don't like the manager, sacking the manager to cover failings elsewhere, windmilling your micropenis around whenever you get within six points of the play offs, and losing the last dozen games of every season because you're too busy focusing on your next contract/loan deal/Dubai holiday. |
How has a club do we change that culture though ?
As loads of different managers , DOF and CEOs have tried and everything stays the same.
The players we have now seem a decent bunch but seem very limited | | | |
| Chris Willock on 00:21 - Apr 4 with 1788 views | GaryHaddock |
| Chris Willock on 00:08 - Apr 4 by Rangersw12 |
How has a club do we change that culture though ?
As loads of different managers , DOF and CEOs have tried and everything stays the same.
The players we have now seem a decent bunch but seem very limited |
Let the players know they‘ll be the first out the door not the last and trust the manager, no matter what.
Scout personalities, not just academy performance data. [Post edited 4 Apr 0:25]
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| Chris Willock on 00:53 - Apr 4 with 1723 views | KensalT |
| Chris Willock on 00:00 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
I think that's what people mean when they talk about club culture.
At Portsmouth the culture is you go to Fratton Park as a visiting team and you get a fcking hard time. They'll turn you over there. They put it in on you. They tackle HARD. The crowd get in with you. The atmosphere is hostile. Limited team, but well drilled, fit, aggressive. That's the culture, the image. They'll forgive you a lot, but at Fratton Park it's a war and if you're not up for that then fck off. They recruit players to go along with that. And if you don't play like that, like that, deliver that... you don't play, or you don't last there.
Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team.
When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around.
Our culture is one of phoning in injuries, downing tools for six weeks if you don't like the manager, sacking the manager to cover failings elsewhere, windmilling your micropenis around whenever you get within six points of the play offs, and losing the last dozen games of every season because you're too busy focusing on your next contract/loan deal/Dubai holiday. |
"Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team."
I'd love to know how they drilled that aggression into Dozzell. Not such a friendly ghost anymore!
It's a military town. Perhaps they locked him in a room with his own Drill Sergeant Foley and refused to let him out until he was biting the head off chickens.
But how do you want the culture to change?
Do you want us to be more like the Crazy Gang on the pitch? Or do you want the fans to be more like Millwall and Pompey off it?
You have talked a lot about the fans being behind the team even in adversity, and there are benefits from that. But you have also grumbled about fans clapping the team when they've served up some drek.
It's a difficult balance to make. A more hostile crowd might turn on our own players as much as the opposition. | | | |
| Chris Willock on 03:52 - Apr 4 with 1641 views | numptydumpty |
| Chris Willock on 00:53 - Apr 4 by KensalT |
"Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team."
I'd love to know how they drilled that aggression into Dozzell. Not such a friendly ghost anymore!
It's a military town. Perhaps they locked him in a room with his own Drill Sergeant Foley and refused to let him out until he was biting the head off chickens.
But how do you want the culture to change?
Do you want us to be more like the Crazy Gang on the pitch? Or do you want the fans to be more like Millwall and Pompey off it?
You have talked a lot about the fans being behind the team even in adversity, and there are benefits from that. But you have also grumbled about fans clapping the team when they've served up some drek.
It's a difficult balance to make. A more hostile crowd might turn on our own players as much as the opposition. |
I lived in Pompey for four years
The fans are tribal, but the home form is generally decent because the fans back the players 100%
There is much less criticism if things are not working out well
I think at QPR, because we have had a few moments of sublime, any down turn, is immediately heaped on players
It's always evident here. Bit of name calling etc. Few bits of nastiness.
We just go quiet at home in times of trouble.
Both don't really happen at Pompey. They are totally behind their team and failure by their home and away support is greeted with encouragement as opposed to sharp intakes of breath and internal meltdowns.
It's a very proud fanbase and most live there also.
Whatever anyone is going to say, we don't have that here. We turn on players and managers, CeO and DoF
Also, we get a few tourist fans, videoing games etc, only time there, thats not evident in Portsmouth. Obviously London is very diverse and large too. Less real identity than a town where most locals don't move, never will and hardly ever leave Portsea Island. That identity is impossible to match for a club in a London Borough.
If managers, players, DoF, CeO, change, the only constant for the culture is the fans.
I went to a lot of their games when I lived there.
Sorry to say but their fanbase is way more encouraging than ours. The reasons are my own opinions - not saying them as facts- but it's definitely how I see it.
Briatore wanted us as a boutique club. I think we do have many boutique fans and it translates sometimes to players.
The last thing you could say about pompey fans is that they are boutique fans.
There lies the difference in fanbase and type of support when things go wrong
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| Chris Willock on 07:27 - Apr 4 with 1512 views | thehat |
| Chris Willock on 03:52 - Apr 4 by numptydumpty |
I lived in Pompey for four years
The fans are tribal, but the home form is generally decent because the fans back the players 100%
There is much less criticism if things are not working out well
I think at QPR, because we have had a few moments of sublime, any down turn, is immediately heaped on players
It's always evident here. Bit of name calling etc. Few bits of nastiness.
We just go quiet at home in times of trouble.
Both don't really happen at Pompey. They are totally behind their team and failure by their home and away support is greeted with encouragement as opposed to sharp intakes of breath and internal meltdowns.
It's a very proud fanbase and most live there also.
Whatever anyone is going to say, we don't have that here. We turn on players and managers, CeO and DoF
Also, we get a few tourist fans, videoing games etc, only time there, thats not evident in Portsmouth. Obviously London is very diverse and large too. Less real identity than a town where most locals don't move, never will and hardly ever leave Portsea Island. That identity is impossible to match for a club in a London Borough.
If managers, players, DoF, CeO, change, the only constant for the culture is the fans.
I went to a lot of their games when I lived there.
Sorry to say but their fanbase is way more encouraging than ours. The reasons are my own opinions - not saying them as facts- but it's definitely how I see it.
Briatore wanted us as a boutique club. I think we do have many boutique fans and it translates sometimes to players.
The last thing you could say about pompey fans is that they are boutique fans.
There lies the difference in fanbase and type of support when things go wrong
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I think our culture over the years has always been a solid team with a maverick number ten playing in the number ten position up top with a partner.
Keep it simple and go back to that culture - We seem to have signed to many piano players and don't have enough players to carry the piano onto the pitch.
Alec Stock, Dave Sexton, Terry Venables, Jim Smith, Gerry Francis, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock all got our team and culture right over the years.
I don't think its rocket science........... | | | |
| Chris Willock on 08:54 - Apr 4 with 1407 views | mart_Goblin |
| Chris Willock on 03:52 - Apr 4 by numptydumpty |
I lived in Pompey for four years
The fans are tribal, but the home form is generally decent because the fans back the players 100%
There is much less criticism if things are not working out well
I think at QPR, because we have had a few moments of sublime, any down turn, is immediately heaped on players
It's always evident here. Bit of name calling etc. Few bits of nastiness.
We just go quiet at home in times of trouble.
Both don't really happen at Pompey. They are totally behind their team and failure by their home and away support is greeted with encouragement as opposed to sharp intakes of breath and internal meltdowns.
It's a very proud fanbase and most live there also.
Whatever anyone is going to say, we don't have that here. We turn on players and managers, CeO and DoF
Also, we get a few tourist fans, videoing games etc, only time there, thats not evident in Portsmouth. Obviously London is very diverse and large too. Less real identity than a town where most locals don't move, never will and hardly ever leave Portsea Island. That identity is impossible to match for a club in a London Borough.
If managers, players, DoF, CeO, change, the only constant for the culture is the fans.
I went to a lot of their games when I lived there.
Sorry to say but their fanbase is way more encouraging than ours. The reasons are my own opinions - not saying them as facts- but it's definitely how I see it.
Briatore wanted us as a boutique club. I think we do have many boutique fans and it translates sometimes to players.
The last thing you could say about pompey fans is that they are boutique fans.
There lies the difference in fanbase and type of support when things go wrong
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Hmm. Over the last decade or so I’m not sure they have too much to crow about and whatever it was they were doing compared to us weren’t working either .
I do agree on some aspects of your post though .
And I do agree the culture of this club (whatever that is and was) was torn out by our 2 visits to the premier league and the goings on at that time.
All the people involved in that era and up to present day have left a carcass of a football club in my opinion. Rotten
I could go all in on the owners , but in November when the CEO was in some players ear , patrolling the touch line at the training ground and ready to pull the trigger , it was Ruben and the other shareholders who told him to back off (mainly due to the fans reaction at the Stoke game I would guess) . Hence the squad got behind MC (there were rumours of senior players in open revolt) and the form improved .
But this shouldn’t need to happen .
Unfortunately we look right back there and most of the players that are playing don’t look invested to me .
The basics aren’t being done and that’s a huge problem .
Year after year . Time after time . Same things happen .
Something needs to change and I don’t know if that’s certain positions or every fcker in the building.
But like a lot of fans , I am sick of the rinse and repeat year in year out.
I feel like I’m
Going out of duty on Saturday and not because I’m looking forward to a football match .
That can’t be right . |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 09:13 - Apr 4 with 1361 views | dmm |
| Chris Willock on 08:54 - Apr 4 by mart_Goblin |
Hmm. Over the last decade or so I’m not sure they have too much to crow about and whatever it was they were doing compared to us weren’t working either .
I do agree on some aspects of your post though .
And I do agree the culture of this club (whatever that is and was) was torn out by our 2 visits to the premier league and the goings on at that time.
All the people involved in that era and up to present day have left a carcass of a football club in my opinion. Rotten
I could go all in on the owners , but in November when the CEO was in some players ear , patrolling the touch line at the training ground and ready to pull the trigger , it was Ruben and the other shareholders who told him to back off (mainly due to the fans reaction at the Stoke game I would guess) . Hence the squad got behind MC (there were rumours of senior players in open revolt) and the form improved .
But this shouldn’t need to happen .
Unfortunately we look right back there and most of the players that are playing don’t look invested to me .
The basics aren’t being done and that’s a huge problem .
Year after year . Time after time . Same things happen .
Something needs to change and I don’t know if that’s certain positions or every fcker in the building.
But like a lot of fans , I am sick of the rinse and repeat year in year out.
I feel like I’m
Going out of duty on Saturday and not because I’m looking forward to a football match .
That can’t be right . |
In response to your later comments, I agree that some players look like they've downed tools for whatever reason. But no one in the squad will want relegation on their CV so I think Marti should be able to galvanise the squad this Saturday and v Oxford midweek to get those points on the board.
After that, it'll be interesting to see who is picked for the final games and whether players like Morrison, Bennie, Sutton and even Walsh, poor sod, are given game time. |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 09:36 - Apr 4 with 1306 views | KensalT |
| Chris Willock on 03:52 - Apr 4 by numptydumpty |
I lived in Pompey for four years
The fans are tribal, but the home form is generally decent because the fans back the players 100%
There is much less criticism if things are not working out well
I think at QPR, because we have had a few moments of sublime, any down turn, is immediately heaped on players
It's always evident here. Bit of name calling etc. Few bits of nastiness.
We just go quiet at home in times of trouble.
Both don't really happen at Pompey. They are totally behind their team and failure by their home and away support is greeted with encouragement as opposed to sharp intakes of breath and internal meltdowns.
It's a very proud fanbase and most live there also.
Whatever anyone is going to say, we don't have that here. We turn on players and managers, CeO and DoF
Also, we get a few tourist fans, videoing games etc, only time there, thats not evident in Portsmouth. Obviously London is very diverse and large too. Less real identity than a town where most locals don't move, never will and hardly ever leave Portsea Island. That identity is impossible to match for a club in a London Borough.
If managers, players, DoF, CeO, change, the only constant for the culture is the fans.
I went to a lot of their games when I lived there.
Sorry to say but their fanbase is way more encouraging than ours. The reasons are my own opinions - not saying them as facts- but it's definitely how I see it.
Briatore wanted us as a boutique club. I think we do have many boutique fans and it translates sometimes to players.
The last thing you could say about pompey fans is that they are boutique fans.
There lies the difference in fanbase and type of support when things go wrong
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Fair enough.
Can't argue against someone who has walked the walk and knows exactly what he is talking about.
Except to make the obvious point that Pompey's positive fan culture didn't save them from wrong uns taking over the club and that they have had a really hard few years on the pitch and it has taken them a long time to get back to this level:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_F.C.#2003%E2%80%932017:_Premier_League_
I agree with you about the tourist fans, although I think that's more a Premier League problem than anything else and I think it says more about the culture of the whole game rather than anything specific about us.
On a tangential point I am old enough to remember when football fans would go to games as a neutral at other local grounds if their own team was playing away. Back in the eighties I can recall going to quite a few games at White Hart Lane with a mate of mine who was and is a rabid Arsenal fan. But back in those days you went to neutral games to watch good football, not because you were a celebrity obsessed wannabe influencer.
Finally, you mention Briatore as creating the wrong culture but Norf in his earlier post said:
"When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around."
Mackie was signed first time under Briatore.
We can't have it both ways. Either the culture was good back then or it wasn't.
IIRC Mackie was signed the same day as Leon Clarke.
Mackie arrived here with a reputation as a limited player but a wholehearted trier who never shirked or hid. Clarke had the complete opposite reputation, a player with all the gifts but not the heart to use them properly.
And that's exactly how their careers panned out. Jamie Mackie will always be a popular figure in these parts. And going through Clarke's wiki he has played more stadiums than the Rolling Stones:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Clarke
Mackie succeeded with us and Clarke failed because of the personal character they brought to the club. Not because of the culture that was here.
I guess my point is that I agree culture and standards are really important but aren't going to save you if you end up with shady owners or if you can't get the recruitment right on the pitch. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:54]
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| Chris Willock on 09:43 - Apr 4 with 1294 views | Northernr |
| Chris Willock on 09:36 - Apr 4 by KensalT |
Fair enough.
Can't argue against someone who has walked the walk and knows exactly what he is talking about.
Except to make the obvious point that Pompey's positive fan culture didn't save them from wrong uns taking over the club and that they have had a really hard few years on the pitch and it has taken them a long time to get back to this level:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_F.C.#2003%E2%80%932017:_Premier_League_
I agree with you about the tourist fans, although I think that's more a Premier League problem than anything else and I think it says more about the culture of the whole game rather than anything specific about us.
On a tangential point I am old enough to remember when football fans would go to games as a neutral at other local grounds if their own team was playing away. Back in the eighties I can recall going to quite a few games at White Hart Lane with a mate of mine who was and is a rabid Arsenal fan. But back in those days you went to neutral games to watch good football, not because you were a celebrity obsessed wannabe influencer.
Finally, you mention Briatore as creating the wrong culture but Norf in his earlier post said:
"When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around."
Mackie was signed first time under Briatore.
We can't have it both ways. Either the culture was good back then or it wasn't.
IIRC Mackie was signed the same day as Leon Clarke.
Mackie arrived here with a reputation as a limited player but a wholehearted trier who never shirked or hid. Clarke had the complete opposite reputation, a player with all the gifts but not the heart to use them properly.
And that's exactly how their careers panned out. Jamie Mackie will always be a popular figure in these parts. And going through Clarke's wiki he has played more stadiums than the Rolling Stones:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Clarke
Mackie succeeded with us and Clarke failed because of the personal character they brought to the club. Not because of the culture that was here.
I guess my point is that I agree culture and standards are really important but aren't going to save you if you end up with shady owners or if you can't get the recruitment right on the pitch. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:54]
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Yeh Mackie's probably a poor example on my part because the club was all over the place.
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| Chris Willock on 09:49 - Apr 4 with 1278 views | KensalT |
| Chris Willock on 09:43 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
Yeh Mackie's probably a poor example on my part because the club was all over the place.
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Yes.
And we had good standards under Warburton. Even though Warburton arrived when we were in chaos and was allowed to bring in some of his old favourites like Ball, Barbet, and the Caledonian Sleeper!
Maybe giving the manager a little bit of what he wants isn't always a bad thing :-)
I agree with you about standards, they are hugely important. But culture can only help to a point. If you have the wrong people on the pitch or running things off the pitch then culture isn't going to save you. [Post edited 4 Apr 9:50]
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| Chris Willock on 09:52 - Apr 4 with 1260 views | Northernr |
| Chris Willock on 09:49 - Apr 4 by KensalT |
Yes.
And we had good standards under Warburton. Even though Warburton arrived when we were in chaos and was allowed to bring in some of his old favourites like Ball, Barbet, and the Caledonian Sleeper!
Maybe giving the manager a little bit of what he wants isn't always a bad thing :-)
I agree with you about standards, they are hugely important. But culture can only help to a point. If you have the wrong people on the pitch or running things off the pitch then culture isn't going to save you. [Post edited 4 Apr 9:50]
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Agree. And it still might not save Portsmouth, they're lousy away and could easily still go down. | | | |
| Chris Willock on 10:08 - Apr 4 with 1189 views | TheChef |
| Chris Willock on 00:00 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
I think that's what people mean when they talk about club culture.
At Portsmouth the culture is you go to Fratton Park as a visiting team and you get a fcking hard time. They'll turn you over there. They put it in on you. They tackle HARD. The crowd get in with you. The atmosphere is hostile. Limited team, but well drilled, fit, aggressive. That's the culture, the image. They'll forgive you a lot, but at Fratton Park it's a war and if you're not up for that then fck off. They recruit players to go along with that. And if you don't play like that, like that, deliver that... you don't play, or you don't last there.
Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team.
When you have a set culture and a standard as a club, it's amazing how pretty mediocre looking signings can step up into that. See Jamie Mackie when he arrived at us first time around.
Our culture is one of phoning in injuries, downing tools for six weeks if you don't like the manager, sacking the manager to cover failings elsewhere, windmilling your micropenis around whenever you get within six points of the play offs, and losing the last dozen games of every season because you're too busy focusing on your next contract/loan deal/Dubai holiday. |
Yeah I'm pretty sure "windmilling your micropenis" is a standard clause in every QPR player contract  [Post edited 4 Apr 10:14]
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| Chris Willock on 10:18 - Apr 4 with 1123 views | Hunterhoop |
| Chris Willock on 00:08 - Apr 4 by Rangersw12 |
How has a club do we change that culture though ?
As loads of different managers , DOF and CEOs have tried and everything stays the same.
The players we have now seem a decent bunch but seem very limited |
Well, call me a madman, but I would start by having someone lead the show as CEO who has a career background of managing large numbers of people, and instilling positive cultures in those workplaces.
We have not gone down that route.
Beneath that, you absolutely must have standards/parameters that do not budge for short term benefit. At QPR we always prioritise the short term over the long term. Ever since Fernandes took over that has been the approach.
He wasn’t perfect but the only person focussed on the medium-long term was Les Ferdinand since 2010. He had is faults (possibly not the smartest in negotiations, misjudged a few players, oversaw some dodgy signings), but he did get the culture side of things and the long term impacts. He began by setting principles of behaviour that applied to all players and coaches and having that put up on the wall at Harlington. He publicly (inside the club) called out those that stepped out of line. If he wanted people to put in extra yards in training, he’d turn up and do it with them (Matt Smith). His falling out with Warburton, from what I have heard, he was completely in the right based on the standards/culture point, when Warburton wanted to do what was best in the immediate short term. Got his way. Backfired. And he paid the price. I think a lot of what went wrong the following season stemmed from that dressing room impact of what happened but wasn’t ultimately punished. It undermined the standards. Beale got what he wanted too, and it worsensed.
Players cannot have the whip hand. They can be your best player, but if they step out of line, piss over your values or principles or what you stand for, out they go.
If you’re playing well, winning, injured players shouldn’t walk back in, they need to win their spot back through the minutes they do get. That instills standards and a sense of fairness.
We don’t do that. Chair immediately came back in for Saito who was playing really well in a winning team at that point. This isn’t about Chair, it’s just an example. We all know the Dom Ball/Jeff Hendricks farce. This sort of thing pisses players off and bitterness seeps into the dressing room.
I’m sure there are many more examples.
Finally our communication is cr*p. What is our ethos and identity? Clive could accurately describe another club’s, one with a lower budget. But the club we support, what is it? IF one exists, and it is consistent and makes sense, why are we a) not communicating it to fans so the club as one can be united in who we are (think back to the Holloway days - he was brilliant at that, but so was everyone at the club). I think it could be because not everyone lives and breathes that ethos and they’re allowed to get away with it. That or we haven’t actually defined one (see my first comment). And, b) why aren’t living and breathing it? Probably because the players know it might change if Nourry gets his way and sacks Cifuentes to bring in his own man…so why bother?
It’s not easy to instill a great culture. It isn’t. But it’s not impossible. At QPR we do so much wrong about it though. |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 10:19 - Apr 4 with 1117 views | gazza1 |
1- WILLOCK.
Poor when he first came here. Improved massive for a couple of years and then went backwards again. Poor poor injury/availability record. Some very interested opinions by posters!!! My opinion that he left for money and because he Father/family dictated that.
2 - DOZZELL.
Never performed that well or that badly when he was here - he was OKish. If anyone thinks that he was a 'pussy' when he was here and, now, is 'Mr Bully' at Pompey because of the fans want that then posters are deluded. You are either an aggressive, nasty type player or not. [Post edited 4 Apr 10:19]
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| Chris Willock on 15:17 - Apr 4 with 853 views | LazyFan |
| Chris Willock on 10:19 - Apr 4 by gazza1 |
1- WILLOCK.
Poor when he first came here. Improved massive for a couple of years and then went backwards again. Poor poor injury/availability record. Some very interested opinions by posters!!! My opinion that he left for money and because he Father/family dictated that.
2 - DOZZELL.
Never performed that well or that badly when he was here - he was OKish. If anyone thinks that he was a 'pussy' when he was here and, now, is 'Mr Bully' at Pompey because of the fans want that then posters are deluded. You are either an aggressive, nasty type player or not. [Post edited 4 Apr 10:19]
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Agree with this.
Dozy I remember did once put ina full performance for us (I cannot remember against whom) whereby he had run around like a madman and sweated buckets for us. A Field type performance. But I only saw it the once.
There were more sending-offs than wonder goals, as there was only one worldie ever!.
His goal against Oxford was a simple shot on goal, and he should have scored against us at the loft with another such similar chance but blew it.
That's how we know he's rubbish and should be playing alongside Cousins in L1.
Back to Willock, it was a massive mistake leaving QPR. It looks good for us, as some players like Kohli and Chair want to stay as they have seen the other side. Same with Armstrong and Dykes. We sold them for monies and that was money well collected.
If Cardiff go down, they will look to offload Willock as his wages are high, I would NOT have him back as he's much older now, even though at QPR he was on average a quality player. I would prefer we signed Saito and he would probably be cheaper, not to mention 5 years younger!
He will never make the Prem now and will watch his brother make all the money.
Eze not. |  |
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| Chris Willock on 15:39 - Apr 4 with 762 views | kensalriser |
| Chris Willock on 10:19 - Apr 4 by gazza1 |
1- WILLOCK.
Poor when he first came here. Improved massive for a couple of years and then went backwards again. Poor poor injury/availability record. Some very interested opinions by posters!!! My opinion that he left for money and because he Father/family dictated that.
2 - DOZZELL.
Never performed that well or that badly when he was here - he was OKish. If anyone thinks that he was a 'pussy' when he was here and, now, is 'Mr Bully' at Pompey because of the fans want that then posters are deluded. You are either an aggressive, nasty type player or not. [Post edited 4 Apr 10:19]
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We do like to give players a pass and blame greedy agents/deluded parents.
I'm not so sure. They're grown adults in charge of their own lives and can make their own choices. |  |
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| Chris Willock on 15:43 - Apr 4 with 746 views | joe90 |
| Chris Willock on 00:53 - Apr 4 by KensalT |
"Dozzell didn't play much first half of the season for them, and wasn't good when he did. He's stepped up to that expectation - elbowed Saito in the head in our game - and is now in the team."
I'd love to know how they drilled that aggression into Dozzell. Not such a friendly ghost anymore!
It's a military town. Perhaps they locked him in a room with his own Drill Sergeant Foley and refused to let him out until he was biting the head off chickens.
But how do you want the culture to change?
Do you want us to be more like the Crazy Gang on the pitch? Or do you want the fans to be more like Millwall and Pompey off it?
You have talked a lot about the fans being behind the team even in adversity, and there are benefits from that. But you have also grumbled about fans clapping the team when they've served up some drek.
It's a difficult balance to make. A more hostile crowd might turn on our own players as much as the opposition. |
He wasn't a 'friendly ghost' last season at home to Leicester - scored and got sent off. Also showed some grit against Boro, scored a great goal and left the pitch with fat lip and cut chin. He clearly has it in him. |  | | |
| Chris Willock on 15:46 - Apr 4 with 738 views | GaryHaddock |
| Chris Willock on 15:39 - Apr 4 by kensalriser |
We do like to give players a pass and blame greedy agents/deluded parents.
I'm not so sure. They're grown adults in charge of their own lives and can make their own choices. |
I mean, i'm only going on vibes here, but I thought Dozzel had a good attitude but no impact and Willock had a shite attitude but plenty of impact. | | | |
| Chris Willock on 16:10 - Apr 4 with 645 views | KensalT |
| Chris Willock on 15:43 - Apr 4 by joe90 |
He wasn't a 'friendly ghost' last season at home to Leicester - scored and got sent off. Also showed some grit against Boro, scored a great goal and left the pitch with fat lip and cut chin. He clearly has it in him. |
"He wasn't a 'friendly ghost' last season at home to Leicester - scored and got sent off. Also showed some grit against Boro, scored a great goal and left the pitch with fat lip and cut chin. He clearly has it in him."
Dozzell played 88 league games for us and you can only remember two occasions where he showed some aggression.
Looking at his data he got 15 yellow cards while he was with us, which surprised me. But he already has 9 yellows this season with Pompey:
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/andre-dozzell/422431/
So they've obviously found a bit of beast within him. [Post edited 4 Apr 16:15]
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| Chris Willock on 17:30 - Apr 4 with 537 views | joe90 |
| Chris Willock on 16:10 - Apr 4 by KensalT |
"He wasn't a 'friendly ghost' last season at home to Leicester - scored and got sent off. Also showed some grit against Boro, scored a great goal and left the pitch with fat lip and cut chin. He clearly has it in him."
Dozzell played 88 league games for us and you can only remember two occasions where he showed some aggression.
Looking at his data he got 15 yellow cards while he was with us, which surprised me. But he already has 9 yellows this season with Pompey:
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/andre-dozzell/422431/
So they've obviously found a bit of beast within him. [Post edited 4 Apr 16:15]
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You are correct, I do remember the two times he put in effort, haha. I do stand by my comment, I think he had it in him and for whatever reason didn't want to play for us.
For context, I did write that comment with Madsen in mind, as it's a fair comparison.Should have mentioned.
When Madsen leaves, it will be interesting to see how he get's on at his next club. Maybe there is something about the culture at QPR? [Post edited 4 Apr 20:06]
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