| Wednesday away, Saturday away 11:23 - Nov 24 with 7659 views | RichardKeoghFanBoy |
Norwich away on Saturday after they play at home on a Tuesday hardly seems fair, so asked co-pilot how many times each championship team has a Wed away followed by a Sat away:
QPR: 2
Ipswich: 2
Blackburn: 2
Charlton: 2
Cov: 1
Bristol City: 1
Derby: 1
Hull: 1
Southampton: 1
15 other teams: 0
I haven't checked this manually and we know AI can often be wrong but...This seems a bit much - surely they can produce something more balanced than this given the known drop off for 3 game weeks ending away. [Post edited 24 Nov 11:23]
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 11:42 - Nov 24 with 4293 views | wombat |
been thinking the same , as a comprimise maybe they give the second away game in london to saves fans and teams having to spend the week on the road |  |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 11:54 - Nov 24 with 4233 views | HAMRanger |
yeah that does seem unfair but you'd hope that will all even out over the season?
Also, Norwich played away on Saturday and have a day less than us to prep for their mid-week game! |  | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 11:56 - Nov 24 with 4220 views | TheChef |
Well yeah but how else are we going to maintain 16th place? |  |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 12:02 - Nov 24 with 4179 views | losethedrum |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 11:54 - Nov 24 by HAMRanger |
yeah that does seem unfair but you'd hope that will all even out over the season?
Also, Norwich played away on Saturday and have a day less than us to prep for their mid-week game! |
Yes you would hope it evens out but it does not for the entire season.
Norwich away last season played Millwall home boxing day & then sat waiting for us whilst R's drove back from swansea in the fog & coach to Norwich for a midday kick off , to have this happen once is bad , twice in 2 seasons is plain unfair .
I notice Norwich dont have this all season , we were dire at Derby after a similar week away at Swansea being away twice in such a short space of time is even more unfair on the supporters who not only dragged this way & that across the country but get to see a sub standard performance because of this . | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 12:05 - Nov 24 with 4165 views | Northernr |
We seem to have been screwed more than most/usual on this this season.
Not helped by us suddenly playing Wednesdays instead of Tuesday. |  | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 12:37 - Nov 24 with 4035 views | Watford_Ranger |
It is annoying and does affect the odds no matter how much we say they should just get on with it, players used to play six times in four days then do a shift down the mine etc.
In Feb we play Sheff U at home with a day extra. We’ve got Southampton away on the Tuesday and they have Cov at home on the Wednesday. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:07 - Nov 24 with 3919 views | Mr_Beef |
And then there are seven teams who play away on Saturday 6th December and then again on Tuesday 9th December while we have two home games.
Ultimately everyone plays each other twice. This fixation with playing three games in a week seems to me to almost setting up an excuse culture at the club. Apparently, the manager was even partly appointed based on his ability to manage three game weeks.
We're in the same boat as the other 23 teams in the division. If you only win one in three home games over a three year period then the problem seems evident. We don't have a problem with winning games in three game weeks, we have a problem in winning games full stop. |  | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:19 - Nov 24 with 3871 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:07 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
And then there are seven teams who play away on Saturday 6th December and then again on Tuesday 9th December while we have two home games.
Ultimately everyone plays each other twice. This fixation with playing three games in a week seems to me to almost setting up an excuse culture at the club. Apparently, the manager was even partly appointed based on his ability to manage three game weeks.
We're in the same boat as the other 23 teams in the division. If you only win one in three home games over a three year period then the problem seems evident. We don't have a problem with winning games in three game weeks, we have a problem in winning games full stop. |
"This fixation with playing three games in a week seems to me to almost setting up an excuse culture at the club."
Ya, I've said the same, Mr_Beef.
Even calling it that is nonsensical and feeds into the fear.
Our managers reference it, our players do, our commentators do, our media team do.
And all in tones used by bad actors in bad horror movies whispering about impending armageddon.
We play at the weekend, we play midweek.
Step up, or step off. |  |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:21 - Nov 24 with 3853 views | Watford_Ranger |
Worth bearing in mind we’ll have free weekends on FA Cup 4th and 5th round week when our opponents are playing. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:25 - Nov 24 with 3831 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:21 - Nov 24 by Watford_Ranger |
Worth bearing in mind we’ll have free weekends on FA Cup 4th and 5th round week when our opponents are playing. |
Zero-game weeks? | |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:31 - Nov 24 with 3761 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:25 - Nov 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
Zero-game weeks? |
Good for the bank balance and sanity. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 14:13 - Nov 24 with 3631 views | losethedrum |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:07 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
And then there are seven teams who play away on Saturday 6th December and then again on Tuesday 9th December while we have two home games.
Ultimately everyone plays each other twice. This fixation with playing three games in a week seems to me to almost setting up an excuse culture at the club. Apparently, the manager was even partly appointed based on his ability to manage three game weeks.
We're in the same boat as the other 23 teams in the division. If you only win one in three home games over a three year period then the problem seems evident. We don't have a problem with winning games in three game weeks, we have a problem in winning games full stop. |
First off it isnt 3 games in a week as hull was last week & when we play Brum on dec 9th both teams will play sat & tuesday so the same time between games . How is it right the home side this saturday do zero trips & have 1 extra day to prepare whilst R's will travel to Rovers get home 3am thursday if no road closures then onwards to their actual homes & be back in the coach to Norwich again friday ?
Even if we go along the lines of its ok for the club to be cheated in this way maybe spare a thought for the fans , i get home 4:30pm thurs from rovers & out the door 07:40 for Norwich saturday on a bus replacement.
After a similar trip to Swansea i was shattered come the saturday away to Derby & though i am a keen supporter it takes the edge off the 2nd away trip & reduces anticipation which was born out on the pitch , however the travel & match tickets remain expensive despite seeing a sub standard 3rd game .
I appreciate some of you may be talking from the point of view of watching on tv but there is a massive difference between pressing the off switch on the remote & battling back from some god forsaken place late midweek & then playing so soon after whilst the other team goes nowhere & are in their beds tuesday night . | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 14:50 - Nov 24 with 3534 views | wombat |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 14:13 - Nov 24 by losethedrum |
First off it isnt 3 games in a week as hull was last week & when we play Brum on dec 9th both teams will play sat & tuesday so the same time between games . How is it right the home side this saturday do zero trips & have 1 extra day to prepare whilst R's will travel to Rovers get home 3am thursday if no road closures then onwards to their actual homes & be back in the coach to Norwich again friday ?
Even if we go along the lines of its ok for the club to be cheated in this way maybe spare a thought for the fans , i get home 4:30pm thurs from rovers & out the door 07:40 for Norwich saturday on a bus replacement.
After a similar trip to Swansea i was shattered come the saturday away to Derby & though i am a keen supporter it takes the edge off the 2nd away trip & reduces anticipation which was born out on the pitch , however the travel & match tickets remain expensive despite seeing a sub standard 3rd game .
I appreciate some of you may be talking from the point of view of watching on tv but there is a massive difference between pressing the off switch on the remote & battling back from some god forsaken place late midweek & then playing so soon after whilst the other team goes nowhere & are in their beds tuesday night . |
got to agree with this , not able to stay over for midweek away games so its up and back same day , get home around 2am ish hoefully back up for work 7am following day, time friday comes im ruined , remember this is one of the reasons weh swapped coahses as the club thought the previous coach didnt handel the 3 game weeks correctly , so far not sure changing coaches has actaully made things any better on the points tally , with a way way better swuad t pick from this season | |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 15:18 - Nov 24 with 3458 views | stowmarketrange |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 13:07 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
And then there are seven teams who play away on Saturday 6th December and then again on Tuesday 9th December while we have two home games.
Ultimately everyone plays each other twice. This fixation with playing three games in a week seems to me to almost setting up an excuse culture at the club. Apparently, the manager was even partly appointed based on his ability to manage three game weeks.
We're in the same boat as the other 23 teams in the division. If you only win one in three home games over a three year period then the problem seems evident. We don't have a problem with winning games in three game weeks, we have a problem in winning games full stop. |
There are some teams in the championship who only have these double away games weeks 3 times a season,while we have 6 of them,so it isn’t fair at all.
The only way to make it fair for everyone is to play 1 home game followed by 1 away game throughout the season.
If that means that one team is home on more Saturdays than another team,it could be changed the following season.
These blocks of either two home or away games on the bounce are also unfair on the fans,who have to buy travel and tickets for themselves or their offspring.
How hard can it be to alternate between games when a computer is arranging the fixtures? |  | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 16:11 - Nov 24 with 3325 views | derbyhoop |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 14:13 - Nov 24 by losethedrum |
First off it isnt 3 games in a week as hull was last week & when we play Brum on dec 9th both teams will play sat & tuesday so the same time between games . How is it right the home side this saturday do zero trips & have 1 extra day to prepare whilst R's will travel to Rovers get home 3am thursday if no road closures then onwards to their actual homes & be back in the coach to Norwich again friday ?
Even if we go along the lines of its ok for the club to be cheated in this way maybe spare a thought for the fans , i get home 4:30pm thurs from rovers & out the door 07:40 for Norwich saturday on a bus replacement.
After a similar trip to Swansea i was shattered come the saturday away to Derby & though i am a keen supporter it takes the edge off the 2nd away trip & reduces anticipation which was born out on the pitch , however the travel & match tickets remain expensive despite seeing a sub standard 3rd game .
I appreciate some of you may be talking from the point of view of watching on tv but there is a massive difference between pressing the off switch on the remote & battling back from some god forsaken place late midweek & then playing so soon after whilst the other team goes nowhere & are in their beds tuesday night . |
It's not so much playing Wed, then Sat. Its that both are away and, without checking, must be close to longest distance between 2 grounds in the Championship..
The players will get back to LR early hours of Thursday, very light training session(s), then travel to Norfolk on Friday. |  |
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 16:33 - Nov 24 with 3210 views | Mr_Beef |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 15:18 - Nov 24 by stowmarketrange |
There are some teams in the championship who only have these double away games weeks 3 times a season,while we have 6 of them,so it isn’t fair at all.
The only way to make it fair for everyone is to play 1 home game followed by 1 away game throughout the season.
If that means that one team is home on more Saturdays than another team,it could be changed the following season.
These blocks of either two home or away games on the bounce are also unfair on the fans,who have to buy travel and tickets for themselves or their offspring.
How hard can it be to alternate between games when a computer is arranging the fixtures? |
It's impossible for every team in the division to play alternate home and away games whether a computer does it or not.
Us and Portsmouth were both at home on Saturday. How would we ever play each other if our fixtures had to alternate every week? | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 17:30 - Nov 24 with 3047 views | stowmarketrange |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 16:33 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
It's impossible for every team in the division to play alternate home and away games whether a computer does it or not.
Us and Portsmouth were both at home on Saturday. How would we ever play each other if our fixtures had to alternate every week? |
Maybe they might have to do it sometimes,but do it evenly,not like it is now.How comes Watford and Leicester have only 3 double away games on the trot weeks while we have 6 of them? | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 17:40 - Nov 24 with 3000 views | DiggertheMole |
I seem to remember the great Keith Sanderson,one of our own, sorting out all league fixtures in the past with no snarl-ups...but he was an Oxbridge graduate! | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:16 - Nov 24 with 2844 views | Mr_Beef |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 17:30 - Nov 24 by stowmarketrange |
Maybe they might have to do it sometimes,but do it evenly,not like it is now.How comes Watford and Leicester have only 3 double away games on the trot weeks while we have 6 of them? |
Our home fixtures will also be dependent on those of the clubs local to us. The police won't allow too many teams in our area to play at home at the same time. It's presumably quite different for Watford and Leicester. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:18 - Nov 24 with 2841 views | Northernr |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:16 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
Our home fixtures will also be dependent on those of the clubs local to us. The police won't allow too many teams in our area to play at home at the same time. It's presumably quite different for Watford and Leicester. |
Every club has another they're grouped with I think. So we're at home when Fulham are at home, Chelsea and Brentford the same. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:25 - Nov 24 with 2817 views | stevec |
If they played all midweek matches at 3am Wednesday morning it would solve the problem overnight.
Literally. |  | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:34 - Nov 24 with 2801 views | stowmarketrange |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:16 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
Our home fixtures will also be dependent on those of the clubs local to us. The police won't allow too many teams in our area to play at home at the same time. It's presumably quite different for Watford and Leicester. |
There was at least 1 weekend last season when 3 of those local clubs were at home at the same time.Luckily Sky got involved and moved one of them to a Sunday.
And also Derby and Bristol city have 6 double away games weeks,but they don’t have many local clubs affecting their fixtures. [Post edited 24 Nov 18:37]
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| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:50 - Nov 24 with 2750 views | Mr_Beef |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:34 - Nov 24 by stowmarketrange |
There was at least 1 weekend last season when 3 of those local clubs were at home at the same time.Luckily Sky got involved and moved one of them to a Sunday.
And also Derby and Bristol city have 6 double away games weeks,but they don’t have many local clubs affecting their fixtures. [Post edited 24 Nov 18:37]
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Yep, and there will that and a whole host of others factors affecting fixtures. And as you've said Derby and Bristol City are in the same boat as us. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 19:53 - Nov 24 with 2603 views | losethedrum |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 18:50 - Nov 24 by Mr_Beef |
Yep, and there will that and a whole host of others factors affecting fixtures. And as you've said Derby and Bristol City are in the same boat as us. |
Still not considering the supporters here though Beef .
If you could run us through how you or anybody else is travelling to Blackburn on a weds & home again weds/running in to thursday , then on to Norwich saturday is not going to feel a bit below par .
What are your travel plans for these next two games ?
Maybe you have a better travel itenerary than your fellow fans , please share as happy to try a better system than my current one & if i'm feeling the effects without running around for 95 mins each game then the players may well be too. | | | |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 20:04 - Nov 24 with 2568 views | Mr_Beef |
| Wednesday away, Saturday away on 19:53 - Nov 24 by losethedrum |
Still not considering the supporters here though Beef .
If you could run us through how you or anybody else is travelling to Blackburn on a weds & home again weds/running in to thursday , then on to Norwich saturday is not going to feel a bit below par .
What are your travel plans for these next two games ?
Maybe you have a better travel itenerary than your fellow fans , please share as happy to try a better system than my current one & if i'm feeling the effects without running around for 95 mins each game then the players may well be too. |
I'm not disputing the impact on the supporters at all Drum. If it were down to me I'd cut the number of teams in the Championship to 20. Fewer games, particularly in midweek, would hopefully improve the quality and reduce the frequency of the issues that you're referring to.
It's the constant complaining about these three week games, as Brian mentioned earlier in the thread, that I'm referring to. Everyone has them. It looks like an excuse culture to me, but others seem to see it differently and that's fair enough. | | | |
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