| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:15 - Jan 10 with 1626 views | Northernr |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:12 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
No, I do get all that, they replace with better each time they sell.
We're just not selling anyone yet. Buying incrementally better players only works if you're selling for incrementally higher fees each time. We're buying Smyth, then Dembele, then Vale, then Poku, then Saito...but we're not selling any of them. Not even Chair or Kolli, who we should definitely both sell for this to work (but who are both possibly too physically damaged to do so).
We need to sell, not just buy.
Burrell by far the best chance of a low-cost buy going for serious money now he's got ten goals...which is why the possibly serious hamstring injury is such a disaster. If he gets 15-20 this season, sell high in the summer to Stoke, B'rum or Sheffield U, replace with cheaper. Get this going. |
If you could have picked two players to get injured in that Sheff Wed game, Burrell and Varane are basically the nightmare scenario for this. |  | |  |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:18 - Jan 10 with 1604 views | TK1 |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 08:49 - Jan 10 by JamesB1979 |
Did we only come in for him due to the results from 26th December onwards? I always thought it must have been discussed way before then given Edwards was last in their squad on 13th December. Isn’t it more because Cook will likely be gone in the summer and we don’t “trust” JCS to get back consistently. That leaves Dunne, Morrison and Mbengue. Edwards is better than all of them in my view and can play centre back for us for a long time. It’s a long term signing which I like and we’re much better with a JCS or Edwards alongside Dunne.
Now we need to start selling though! |
Yeah, lassel needs to get his story straight on this as elsewhere he's actually said "I told you so" in saying the sale was long agreed for this window, in which case it couldn't be due to the post Dec 26 results. But he's right about both Edwards and Saito being for the gallery as much as for the team. |  | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:22 - Jan 10 with 1575 views | londonscottish |
I agree with all the equivalence as to whether this really fits the buying/selling model and whether thee money could have been better spent on other positions.
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In his loan spell he was a solid defender and, more importantly, would often move the ball forward very quickly and decisively out from the back. This time (injuries notwithstanding) he'll have more options when he does that. Should be fun. |  |
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:28 - Jan 10 with 1538 views | stevec |
With JCS effectively finished, Morrison invariably in twinge mode and Cook, much as I love him, visibly rusting before our very eyes, this signing does make sense.
I’m thinking FFP is fast becoming yesterday’s problem. I’m sure there must be someone who’s taking a points hit for very recent profligacy offences but unless it’s of Sheffield Wednesday ‘sorry you can’t have your wages’ standard, it doesn’t seem to be on the leagues agenda any more.
Hopefully we’re moving to an era where, if your Directors hands can reach the bottom of their pockets, then fill your boots. Keep it under the radar perhaps, an unwritten rule, we might get a better standard of football back in the EFL. |  | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:35 - Jan 10 with 1497 views | JamesB1979 |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:18 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
Yeah, lassel needs to get his story straight on this as elsewhere he's actually said "I told you so" in saying the sale was long agreed for this window, in which case it couldn't be due to the post Dec 26 results. But he's right about both Edwards and Saito being for the gallery as much as for the team. |
Yeah the Saito amount sounds crazy. He has been good in patches but don’t think he’s worth the money spent. Would have spent on left back and another striker. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:46 - Jan 10 with 1447 views | SW_Ranger |
Enjoyable read Clive and we’re all with you on the ‘how long before I’m deflated again’ feeling.
The whole Southampton dilemma is interesting … he’s at a club flailing around in general and not getting the personal opportunity (he had with us) to play to his strengths.
Of course you do get those young players who don’t manage to succeed at teams like Arsenal; move to Millwall and get released only to be picked up and excel then get the move to a Prem club; play for England and then the big move towards a potential EPL Champions medal in their first year.
As we know it’s getting the right player, for the right price, and very importantly with the right attitude and desire to work hard and succeed. Let’s hope lightening strikes again for us. We enjoy a couple of very successful seasons with Ronnie and he gets that big opportunity he’s worked hard for.
Great to have him back. The maintenance team will be busy putting some new hooks in his locker for the hair bands, a couple of new shelves for those moisturisers, hair gels, brushes and eyelash curlers and then some slots for the gel soles to keep those feet nice and soft. Ronnie will certainly get his opportunity to excel now. Looking forward to see him get back to fitness and build a great centre back pairing (and looking bloody annoyingly handsome while he does it of course).
Now … those other positions … keeper, full-backs are they all good enough to make a solid defence now? What’s going to happen with that left-back position? |  | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:47 - Jan 10 with 1442 views | Gaz66 |
Great signing. Just what we need.
Welcome back Ronnie. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:52 - Jan 10 with 1424 views | eastside_r |
Much as he impressed last season I’m in the ‘are we sure about this’ camp. |  | | |
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:54 - Jan 10 with 1407 views | KensalT |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:12 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
No, I do get all that, they replace with better each time they sell.
We're just not selling anyone yet. Buying incrementally better players only works if you're selling for incrementally higher fees each time. We're buying Smyth, then Dembele, then Vale, then Poku, then Saito...but we're not selling any of them. Not even Chair or Kolli, who we should definitely both sell for this to work (but who are both possibly too physically damaged to do so).
We need to sell, not just buy.
Burrell by far the best chance of a low-cost buy going for serious money now he's got ten goals...which is why the possibly serious hamstring injury is such a disaster. If he gets 15-20 this season, sell high in the summer to Stoke, B'rum or Sheffield U, replace with cheaper. Get this going. |
We've sold Armstrong and Kelman for a profit in the last 18 months or so and replaced them with Kone and Burrell who certainly look like upgrades.
But it's a lengthy process and a difficult trick to keep pulling off. It took Brentford several years of steady progress before they were in a position to trade in players like Watkins and Toney. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:08 - Jan 10 with 1358 views | nix |
Much as I’m nervous about the gamble we’re taking I’m excited about the difference he can make just when we are rocking a bit from the injuries.
Sometimes you just need someone to hit the ground running rather than find his way in the league, the club, with the teammates etc. Ronnie is the nearest we’ve got to a shoo-in for player who can do that, while still young enough to develop and improve. |  | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:17 - Jan 10 with 1323 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:54 - Jan 10 by KensalT |
We've sold Armstrong and Kelman for a profit in the last 18 months or so and replaced them with Kone and Burrell who certainly look like upgrades.
But it's a lengthy process and a difficult trick to keep pulling off. It took Brentford several years of steady progress before they were in a position to trade in players like Watkins and Toney. |
This.
The buy low, sell high model invariably means we have to be patient. For every Varane, Armstrong etc there will another 3 or 4 who don't get moved on for profit. They become part of the squad, adding the much needed depth we don't currently have.
At least we are now in the market for players like Kone and Edwards. Wouldn't of been 18 months ago. | |
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:19 - Jan 10 with 1318 views | TK1 |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 09:54 - Jan 10 by KensalT |
We've sold Armstrong and Kelman for a profit in the last 18 months or so and replaced them with Kone and Burrell who certainly look like upgrades.
But it's a lengthy process and a difficult trick to keep pulling off. It took Brentford several years of steady progress before they were in a position to trade in players like Watkins and Toney. |
Great to sell players, but bit early to say if they're upgrades really. Armstrong, Kelman and Kone's records are pretty similar this season. We'll see. Burrell and Kone definitely seem to be more of what we need and like, and I'm happier with them, but at 22 and 24 at two similarly placed clubs it's impossible to say Kelman and Armstrong have worse careers than Kone, 22, and Burrell, 25, after four months.
The key thing is, we didn't make any significant money on the upgrades. Maybe a couple hundred grand difference between Armstrong and Burrell?
For this model to be working in this particular instances it should be:
Buy Liam Morrison in July 24 for £500K; sell Liam Morrison for £6 million in August 25.
Buy Ronnie Edwards in Jan 26 for £4.5 million. Profit and a better player.
Instead we have Morrison still here, not playing, worth the same still probably, and have still spent £4.5 million to block the path.
This is not a development model. This is a financial timebomb, and probably not great vibes for the defenders hoping to be developed by QPR. [Post edited 10 Jan 10:21]
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:22 - Jan 10 with 1283 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 03:44 - Jan 10 by lassel |
Glad you’ve asked the awkward questions - we rejected activating the clause to sign Saito last summer, only to blow £5m on him because we had sacked a popular manager and the new guy was having an inauspicious start so they needed a panacea and Derby were about to sign him so pitchforks would’ve been out at LR.
Edwards is obviously a very promising player, but blowing the last of the Eze money on him because we had a crap Xmas has the feel as you say of a ‘look over here’ when that money could’ve arguably been better utilised.
Hopefully it works and we go on a 15 game clean sheet run now with lovely Ronnie in defence, while Saito smashes 20 goals by the end of the season, but yeah… |
That's not entirely fair - we tried to sign Ronnie earlier in the season, so it's not like some random distraction tactic by Nourry. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:32 - Jan 10 with 1256 views | rbee |
Ronnie played very well for us whilst on loan last season and just as important he fitted in really well at our club.
4m + is a lot of money for us but the club had to go for it and based on what we know today there is no reason why Ronnie won't succeed with us.
If it does go all pear shaped then I wouldn't blame the club at all. |  | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:38 - Jan 10 with 1227 views | TK1 |
Thinking more about this...
We could sell Dunne in the summer for some serious wedge too, possibly. Club captain, versatile, reliable, leader, a totem of the club - sort of guy Birmingham might buy for too much or a newly relegated team - let's say West Ham, who will need defenders and experience, and are addicted to spending too much.
Selling Jimmy Dunne to one of the above or Chris Wilder for £7-10 million at 28, at the top of his game having signed for very little and rinsed the best from him...that would be the development model if Ronnie Edwards is the replacement. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:48 - Jan 10 with 1168 views | 1JD |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:38 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
Thinking more about this...
We could sell Dunne in the summer for some serious wedge too, possibly. Club captain, versatile, reliable, leader, a totem of the club - sort of guy Birmingham might buy for too much or a newly relegated team - let's say West Ham, who will need defenders and experience, and are addicted to spending too much.
Selling Jimmy Dunne to one of the above or Chris Wilder for £7-10 million at 28, at the top of his game having signed for very little and rinsed the best from him...that would be the development model if Ronnie Edwards is the replacement. |
What 28 year old CB has sold in the championship for 7-10m? | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:59 - Jan 10 with 1137 views | stevenagehoop |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:38 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
Thinking more about this...
We could sell Dunne in the summer for some serious wedge too, possibly. Club captain, versatile, reliable, leader, a totem of the club - sort of guy Birmingham might buy for too much or a newly relegated team - let's say West Ham, who will need defenders and experience, and are addicted to spending too much.
Selling Jimmy Dunne to one of the above or Chris Wilder for £7-10 million at 28, at the top of his game having signed for very little and rinsed the best from him...that would be the development model if Ronnie Edwards is the replacement. |
As good a player that Edwards may turn out to be as a central defender like Glen Roeder he needs a physical ball winning player next to him - especially for aerial battles. Dunne is that type of player - hopefully if they were to sell Jimmy they would have a similar replacement lined up. |  |
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:00 - Jan 10 with 1124 views | KensalT |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:19 - Jan 10 by TK1 |
Great to sell players, but bit early to say if they're upgrades really. Armstrong, Kelman and Kone's records are pretty similar this season. We'll see. Burrell and Kone definitely seem to be more of what we need and like, and I'm happier with them, but at 22 and 24 at two similarly placed clubs it's impossible to say Kelman and Armstrong have worse careers than Kone, 22, and Burrell, 25, after four months.
The key thing is, we didn't make any significant money on the upgrades. Maybe a couple hundred grand difference between Armstrong and Burrell?
For this model to be working in this particular instances it should be:
Buy Liam Morrison in July 24 for £500K; sell Liam Morrison for £6 million in August 25.
Buy Ronnie Edwards in Jan 26 for £4.5 million. Profit and a better player.
Instead we have Morrison still here, not playing, worth the same still probably, and have still spent £4.5 million to block the path.
This is not a development model. This is a financial timebomb, and probably not great vibes for the defenders hoping to be developed by QPR. [Post edited 10 Jan 10:21]
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You make a fair point about Kone not scoring heavily (yet!), but for me he looks more dangerous in the box than Dykes, Armstrong, or Kelman all of whom have been sold fairly recently.
If you want to look at numbers then Kone and Burrell have 15 between them this season. Kelman (4), Armstrong (3), and Dykes (2) have 9 between them.
But the player development/trading model isn't just about spotting and developing talent. You also have to be a tough negotiator when it comes to horse trading.
Charlton fans were laughing at us when we paid over the odds for Macauley Bonne. We were the ones laughing when Bristol City gave us £2.5m for Sinclair Armstrong.
In total the Dykes, Armstrong, and Kelman sales are reported to have brought in something like £6.5m + add ons.
If Lee and Les were still running things would we have pulled in £6.5m+ for those three? I'm not so sure.
Nourry appears to drive a hard bargain. If he can continue that trend then his tenure here might work out well after all. We shall see.
PS - in other news our old favourite Lyndon Dykes is being linked with Ipswich and Charlton. It might be interesting to see how effective him and Kelman could be as a pair up front at this level.
https://the72.co.uk/2026/01/09 | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:02 - Jan 10 with 1113 views | TK1 |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 10:48 - Jan 10 by 1JD |
What 28 year old CB has sold in the championship for 7-10m? |
I'd also say Tangana at 26 for the same money having played fewer than 75 pro games is a bigger risk (as he is proving this season). He's 18 months younger than Dunne. John Egan at 31 cost Hull £2m....yeah, you're right, doesn't happen often!
Probably ambitious at 7m. But West Ham (and others) will be desperate and I think £5m is plausible. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:08 - Jan 10 with 1088 views | TK1 |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:00 - Jan 10 by KensalT |
You make a fair point about Kone not scoring heavily (yet!), but for me he looks more dangerous in the box than Dykes, Armstrong, or Kelman all of whom have been sold fairly recently.
If you want to look at numbers then Kone and Burrell have 15 between them this season. Kelman (4), Armstrong (3), and Dykes (2) have 9 between them.
But the player development/trading model isn't just about spotting and developing talent. You also have to be a tough negotiator when it comes to horse trading.
Charlton fans were laughing at us when we paid over the odds for Macauley Bonne. We were the ones laughing when Bristol City gave us £2.5m for Sinclair Armstrong.
In total the Dykes, Armstrong, and Kelman sales are reported to have brought in something like £6.5m + add ons.
If Lee and Les were still running things would we have pulled in £6.5m+ for those three? I'm not so sure.
Nourry appears to drive a hard bargain. If he can continue that trend then his tenure here might work out well after all. We shall see.
PS - in other news our old favourite Lyndon Dykes is being linked with Ipswich and Charlton. It might be interesting to see how effective him and Kelman could be as a pair up front at this level.
https://the72.co.uk/2026/01/09 |
Think we're pretty much agreeing on all this.
But just to stand up for Les...he did sign those three! That's his work. Can't really bash him for not achieving the market value when he's not here to do the selling. We're still trading on the profits of one of his development sales. Nourry needs to sell some of his own signings at a similar mark-up before I congratulate him on being a tougher negotiator. [Post edited 10 Jan 11:09]
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:15 - Jan 10 with 1065 views | bosh67 |
As you say if Madsen gets injured we are criminally short of playmakers.
Chair is now relentlessly injured and Morgan is only 19, although I have very high hopes for him. If we could put Barry Bannan in a time machine and take 10 years off his age that would be one option, but it has to be a priority to find another playmaker, somewhere.
I like Varane but the Saint-Etienne deal is for a loan with a view to buy. We can't risk that. If they stomp up £5m then it's a serious consideration for us and the player. We do have Field, Hayden, Morgan and Edwards who can play that role.
The other thing is to either try and tie down RND or find another equally mature left back, as realistically Esq is not good enough yet, which just leaves Field, who is fine there but out of his natural position.
Also to say that the much slated Nourry does at least seem to have the financial side of the club under control. Everything is a gamble but if he does move on Varane for £5m, a player that cost us just over £1m then he would have balanced his books. Even if he doesn't do that then like him or not, behind the scenes he's doing a good job. [Post edited 10 Jan 11:18]
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| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 11:40 - Jan 10 with 990 views | themodfather |
BOOMERANG EDWARDS always come back! | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 12:08 - Jan 10 with 901 views | Geoff78 |
Agree that this signing is not necessarily a panacea, but if he was available and we can afford him he is an upgrade. But one of the glaring weaknesses in defence is the goalkeeper. None of Walsh, Nardi or Hamer are good enough. Without a reliable goalie behind them our defence will always concede. And then there's the LB?
But must remember this is so much better than the last couple of years. | | | |
| Ronnie returns, but is it the handsome deal QPR hope? – Signing on 12:11 - Jan 10 with 894 views | Northernr |
One thing that I do like about this, and I know I mentioned in the piece about it being a good sign he wanted to come back having been here before, is that I do like having QPR fans involved. Whether he is himself it sounds like most of the family is. That was a big part of what Ian Holloway built first time around, getting people here who care about the club and want it to succeed and want to be here because it's QPR. | | | |
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