| The Labour Party 16:37 - May 14 with 33640 views | Logman |
Sorry, I know politics is taboo on here but I just can't believe how intent the Labour party are to push the self-destruct button. The party is tumbling in the polls and elections but the muppets just seem to want to drive a further wedge through it and split. They really need to see the bigger picture and pull together. It wouldn't be so bad if those in opposition were more central but unfortunately I fear this is just opening the door for NF to wheedle his way in. All very depressing. |  | | |  |
| The Labour Party on 14:07 - May 19 with 2900 views | Markofthegrove |
| The Labour Party on 21:42 - May 17 by dmm |
This site has some interesting statistics which make the housing crisis look solvable https://homesforeveryone.org/
How to solve the housing crisis for people, nature and the climate
1.5 millon+ derelict homes renovated.
1 million+ unbuilt homes already with permission, built.
1.4 million homes developed on brownfield sites, first.
165,000 empty commercial properties repurposed.
26 million empty bedrooms incentivised for rental.
Millions of homes left undisturbed for nature.
Country's entire carbon budget not used up. |
Imagine the cronyism on this project. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 16:59 - May 19 with 2709 views | Hooping_Mad |
I thought the workers were supposed to own the means of production.....Oh well nevermind.
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| The Labour Party on 17:07 - May 19 with 2717 views | dmm |
| The Labour Party on 16:59 - May 19 by Hooping_Mad |
I thought the workers were supposed to own the means of production.....Oh well nevermind.
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What makes you think Chinese cooperatives are necessarily not worker owned? |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:04 - May 19 with 2575 views | Hooping_Mad |
| The Labour Party on 17:07 - May 19 by dmm |
What makes you think Chinese cooperatives are necessarily not worker owned? |
Some are. On a very small scale
Nothing you have ever heard of coming out of china is produced by a co operative.
Military contractors, the entire steel industry, Foxconn, Alibaba, Taobao, the entire car industry.
I could go on but the point is that China doesn't believe in socialism its just a front for a totalitarian state and anyone who honestly believes different is lying to themselves.
Now please continue discussing the well run and effective labour party, I have pop corn to eat. [Post edited 19 May 20:04]
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| The Labour Party on 21:24 - May 19 with 2504 views | dmm |
| The Labour Party on 20:04 - May 19 by Hooping_Mad |
Some are. On a very small scale
Nothing you have ever heard of coming out of china is produced by a co operative.
Military contractors, the entire steel industry, Foxconn, Alibaba, Taobao, the entire car industry.
I could go on but the point is that China doesn't believe in socialism its just a front for a totalitarian state and anyone who honestly believes different is lying to themselves.
Now please continue discussing the well run and effective labour party, I have pop corn to eat. [Post edited 19 May 20:04]
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I'd be interested in your source on Chinese cooperatives.
I haven't discussed "...the well run and effective labour party".
Enjoy your popcorn. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 22:54 - May 19 with 2421 views | Hooping_Mad |
| The Labour Party on 21:24 - May 19 by dmm |
I'd be interested in your source on Chinese cooperatives.
I haven't discussed "...the well run and effective labour party".
Enjoy your popcorn. |
Popcorn is very good, big bag.
Using the figures just posted by Baz of 3.4m employed in co operatives that represents 0.02% of total pop
Most Chinese co-operatives are in agricultural sector.
Here's a small sample from the Chinese communist party https://socialistchina.org/202
Is that enough now? [Post edited 19 May 22:55]
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| The Labour Party on 09:46 - May 20 with 2285 views | dmm |
| The Labour Party on 22:54 - May 19 by Hooping_Mad |
Popcorn is very good, big bag.
Using the figures just posted by Baz of 3.4m employed in co operatives that represents 0.02% of total pop
Most Chinese co-operatives are in agricultural sector.
Here's a small sample from the Chinese communist party https://socialistchina.org/202
Is that enough now? [Post edited 19 May 22:55]
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Thanks. An interesting article. I feel I'm missing the point you wanted to make about Coops in China. They are indeed comparatively small in number to other businesses but I think Baz was simply saying there are worker controlled factories in China, ie Coops.
I don't particularly like China's so called socialist market economy and absolutely hate totalitarianism. But I don't like the West's neoliberal capitalism and political systems either. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 10:01 - May 20 with 2271 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 09:46 - May 20 by dmm |
Thanks. An interesting article. I feel I'm missing the point you wanted to make about Coops in China. They are indeed comparatively small in number to other businesses but I think Baz was simply saying there are worker controlled factories in China, ie Coops.
I don't particularly like China's so called socialist market economy and absolutely hate totalitarianism. But I don't like the West's neoliberal capitalism and political systems either. |
Yeah, it was a tongue in cheek reaction to hunter's tongue in cheek reaction but it seems the word China still scares people.
My lectures on Maoist land reform are available on spotify if anyone is interested : ) |  | | |
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| The Labour Party on 10:05 - May 20 with 2211 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| The Labour Party on 20:04 - May 19 by Hooping_Mad |
Some are. On a very small scale
Nothing you have ever heard of coming out of china is produced by a co operative.
Military contractors, the entire steel industry, Foxconn, Alibaba, Taobao, the entire car industry.
I could go on but the point is that China doesn't believe in socialism its just a front for a totalitarian state and anyone who honestly believes different is lying to themselves.
Now please continue discussing the well run and effective labour party, I have pop corn to eat. [Post edited 19 May 20:04]
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I'll point you in the direction of historian Sir Niall Ferguson. His discussions and books regarding China are quite eye opening as he points out that the Chinese leadership is still true believer communists. Little Red books and all that.
Well worth catching his views on YouTube. | |
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| The Labour Party on 10:11 - May 20 with 2248 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 10:05 - May 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'll point you in the direction of historian Sir Niall Ferguson. His discussions and books regarding China are quite eye opening as he points out that the Chinese leadership is still true believer communists. Little Red books and all that.
Well worth catching his views on YouTube. |
Niall Ferguson has been discredited by almost everyone.
If you are interested in China, I'd recommend The Coming War With China by John Pilger.
A bit outdated now, but the themes are still the same. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 11:29 - May 20 with 2157 views | captainmycaptian |
| The Labour Party on 20:04 - May 19 by Hooping_Mad |
Some are. On a very small scale
Nothing you have ever heard of coming out of china is produced by a co operative.
Military contractors, the entire steel industry, Foxconn, Alibaba, Taobao, the entire car industry.
I could go on but the point is that China doesn't believe in socialism its just a front for a totalitarian state and anyone who honestly believes different is lying to themselves.
Now please continue discussing the well run and effective labour party, I have pop corn to eat. [Post edited 19 May 20:04]
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Wow can tell its off season here. Let clive rest !! But to anyone that thinks even for a moment that China is a workers socialist paradise they are nuts.. A totalitarian massively controlled state with little care for the workers who are massively exploited. China wants to run the world amd probably will but dont kid your self that it will be a utopia.
https://merics.org/en/report/s
Also the 9. 9.6 must be fun ? 9am to 9pm 6 days a week for capitalism with a socialists front massively mad.to think they are a caring socialists. Same as this labour party they just want power like most of them | | | |
| The Labour Party on 11:36 - May 20 with 2154 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 11:29 - May 20 by captainmycaptian |
Wow can tell its off season here. Let clive rest !! But to anyone that thinks even for a moment that China is a workers socialist paradise they are nuts.. A totalitarian massively controlled state with little care for the workers who are massively exploited. China wants to run the world amd probably will but dont kid your self that it will be a utopia.
https://merics.org/en/report/s
Also the 9. 9.6 must be fun ? 9am to 9pm 6 days a week for capitalism with a socialists front massively mad.to think they are a caring socialists. Same as this labour party they just want power like most of them |
A big part of the problem with online discourse is people getting angry at things no one has said.
No one has said China is a workers socialist paradise. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 14:00 - May 20 with 2057 views | Superhoops2808 |
| The Labour Party on 11:36 - May 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
A big part of the problem with online discourse is people getting angry at things no one has said.
No one has said China is a workers socialist paradise. |
And as has pretty much been said already, this thread has been a solid discussion WITHOUT giving Clive any grey hairs |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 16:57 - May 20 with 1980 views | Hooping_Mad |
| The Labour Party on 09:46 - May 20 by dmm |
Thanks. An interesting article. I feel I'm missing the point you wanted to make about Coops in China. They are indeed comparatively small in number to other businesses but I think Baz was simply saying there are worker controlled factories in China, ie Coops.
I don't particularly like China's so called socialist market economy and absolutely hate totalitarianism. But I don't like the West's neoliberal capitalism and political systems either. |
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
When they start to get posted, convert them to percentages and they look very different was my point, well that and 'socialist' china isn't really socialist.
It wasn't that deep, the meme posting was the clue there.
The problem with 'not liking' the west political systems is coming up with a new one that people will get behind. otherwise it's back to totalitarianism.
As many wise men have stated before me, its the best system in a group of bad systems, rather than trying to tear it all down why not look to improve it with consent?
Baz - for the record I haven't put any words in your mouth, you posted 'stats' and I countered with percentages and communist doctrine.
Actually impressed the left of the board are taking the ribbing so well, no anger from what I've seen. Hope it continues with or without the Labour party. | |
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| The Labour Party on 17:06 - May 20 with 1970 views | Hooping_Mad |
| The Labour Party on 10:01 - May 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah, it was a tongue in cheek reaction to hunter's tongue in cheek reaction but it seems the word China still scares people.
My lectures on Maoist land reform are available on spotify if anyone is interested : ) |
If you ask someone from Taiwan if China scares them, they will probably tell you it does for good reason.
Not seeing fear on the board Baz, I think we might be verging on gas lighting there a little bit. | |
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| The Labour Party on 17:50 - May 20 with 1926 views | colinallcars |
You can rest insured, Keir will leave every stone unturned to get things back on the square again. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 18:51 - May 20 with 1871 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 17:06 - May 20 by Hooping_Mad |
If you ask someone from Taiwan if China scares them, they will probably tell you it does for good reason.
Not seeing fear on the board Baz, I think we might be verging on gas lighting there a little bit. |
Never said there was fear on the board. Gas light back at ya. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 18:54 - May 20 with 1861 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 16:57 - May 20 by Hooping_Mad |
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
When they start to get posted, convert them to percentages and they look very different was my point, well that and 'socialist' china isn't really socialist.
It wasn't that deep, the meme posting was the clue there.
The problem with 'not liking' the west political systems is coming up with a new one that people will get behind. otherwise it's back to totalitarianism.
As many wise men have stated before me, its the best system in a group of bad systems, rather than trying to tear it all down why not look to improve it with consent?
Baz - for the record I haven't put any words in your mouth, you posted 'stats' and I countered with percentages and communist doctrine.
Actually impressed the left of the board are taking the ribbing so well, no anger from what I've seen. Hope it continues with or without the Labour party. |
Never did that either. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:12 - May 20 with 1763 views | Hooping_Mad |
| The Labour Party on 10:01 - May 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah, it was a tongue in cheek reaction to hunter's tongue in cheek reaction but it seems the word China still scares people.
My lectures on Maoist land reform are available on spotify if anyone is interested : ) |
Never go full gas-light
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| The Labour Party on 21:58 - May 20 with 1673 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party on 20:12 - May 20 by Hooping_Mad |
Never go full gas-light
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No problem, apology accepted. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 18:45 - May 21 with 1217 views | Hooping_Mad |
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