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I really don't get the criticism on here regarding this interview. And yet again, some of it is pretty personal. He spoke well, as honest as he can be, and gave some interesting insights on the club.
I like what he is doing, modernising the back room of the club, binning off those that don't buy into it and giving it a clear direction.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 13:40 - Jun 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier
I really don't get the criticism on here regarding this interview. And yet again, some of it is pretty personal. He spoke well, as honest as he can be, and gave some interesting insights on the club.
I like what he is doing, modernising the back room of the club, binning off those that don't buy into it and giving it a clear direction.
Onwards and upwards.
Massive assumption there, without evidence, that he is modernising it or that people aren't buying into his model.
I understand that people at he club have been buying into the sustainability model for years or at least since Les Ferdinand, Ramsey, and Furlong were in charge but it's him and Ben Williams they don't like because of the way they conduct themselves.
I suppose that in itself comes without evidence, but what we do know for sure, as pointed out by the interview and by Hunter and Clive, is that he at best embellishes and at worst down right lies about his capability and experience.
Did we really come through the Paliadini, Redknapp, and Beale years just to fall for another one?
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 14:56 - Jun 23 with 2388 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 14:02 - Jun 23 by BazzaInTheLoft
Massive assumption there, without evidence, that he is modernising it or that people aren't buying into his model.
I understand that people at he club have been buying into the sustainability model for years or at least since Les Ferdinand, Ramsey, and Furlong were in charge but it's him and Ben Williams they don't like because of the way they conduct themselves.
I suppose that in itself comes without evidence, but what we do know for sure, as pointed out by the interview and by Hunter and Clive, is that he at best embellishes and at worst down right lies about his capability and experience.
Did we really come through the Paliadini, Redknapp, and Beale years just to fall for another one?
[Post edited 23 Jun 14:19]
In the interview, he explicitly says that doing it his way isn't for everyone. He understands that, and they have left. 8m 45s in. Just before that he says the club was very open to new ideas.
Some on here are deliberately writing misleading things about this interview.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 19:08 - Jun 22 by Hunterhoop
I agree, E17, although I do care about the truth, hence flagging.
But your wider point is one I keep making because it all feels like accountability avoidance. “I’m doing a great job because I say I am, and, no, I won’t share SMART objectives for me or the club, against which you can judge for yourselves.”
You say the lack of objectives and accountability does for businesses and people in the end, but this is QPR. Apart from the stated aim of getting the wage bill down to ensure we met FFP all those whilst staying the league, accomplished before Covid, what objectives and accountability have we really had since then? Arguably Warburton had a hard target of the play offs the year he was backed and he was held accountable for missing it. But since then?? We’re a bullsh*tter’s dream.
Been out today and just catching back up.
I’m with you that the way he tells his story matters - if someone is fast and loose with the truth on their way in, that tells you something about their judgement and how they see other people.
I don’t shrug that off but I also think people like this tend to get found out over time. Once you’re in the chair, the route you took there becomes less important than what you actually do with it and how clearly success is defined. If the results and behaviours match the sales pitch, fine. If they don’t, the gap becomes harder and harder to hide, especially in a club as closely watched as ours.
That’s why I keep banging on about success criteria. Whatever his real backstory, we still need to know: what are the concrete football and business outcomes he’s aiming for, over what sort of timescale, and how will the board and supporters know if he’s delivered them? Without that, his past is a legitimate red flag; with it, at least we’d have a fair way of judging whether the gamble on him is paying off in the present.
As a matter of interest I looked up SoccerEx. not having heard of it before. It was founded in 1996 by the son of Don Revie and states as its purpose: : To Help the Football Business Ecosystem Connect, Grow, Invest, and Create Impact. Soccerex exists to bring the right people, capital, companies, and institutions together around the opportunities shaping the future of football.
Through events, Deal Network, HerSoccerex, market insight, and strategic partnerships, Soccerex creates the platform for relationships to become partnerships, partnerships to become growth, and growth to create lasting commercial and community value.
Since 1996, Soccerex has served as neutral ground for the global football business ecosystem, connecting leaders, rightsholders, capital, brands, innovators, and strategic partners across the game.
Sounds like an excellent place for young ambitious businesspeople in football to raise their profile and showcase their skills to the football ecosystem.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 14:56 - Jun 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier
In the interview, he explicitly says that doing it his way isn't for everyone. He understands that, and they have left. 8m 45s in. Just before that he says the club was very open to new ideas.
Some on here are deliberately writing misleading things about this interview.
But his way is how we've been doing it for years? Other than the people, what's new?
Did he sling Paul Furlong, youth supremo, out because he wanted more 36 year olds playing?
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:12 - Jun 23 with 2174 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 13:40 - Jun 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier
I really don't get the criticism on here regarding this interview. And yet again, some of it is pretty personal. He spoke well, as honest as he can be, and gave some interesting insights on the club.
I like what he is doing, modernising the back room of the club, binning off those that don't buy into it and giving it a clear direction.
Onwards and upwards.
But Wilkins, it wasn’t honest. He lied. I’ve shown you evidence proving it.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 12:01 - Jun 23 by Northernr
So, we don't bother with the cups, and we're not bothered about the league position?
Are we in the right business, here? Shut the club down and turn Loftus Road into a soft play.
Thats not my point at all.
Never even mentioned the cups at all. We have never ever taken the cups seriously, which i dont agree with at all.
And of course, like all fans i want us to finish as high as is possible.
i made a comment about last season - at one stage over two thirds through the sesson, from about nineth to twentieth, there was six points between all of them. We could have easily finished higher but we took the foot off the gas last six games ,brought back injured players, brought in youngsters and fringe players probably to see if we should persevere with certain players or whether they need a sale or a loan.
Do i agree with that - not neccessarily - but myself looking at the bigger picture, I can understand trying players in last chance saloon, ie we had zero chance of relegation or play offs for those six games. We would have finished a lot higher if we had not used those games to look at the long term picture.
i remember season before last, Sunderland lost most of their last seven or eight games. They had little chance of falling out of the play offs and no chance of automatic. They took their foot off the gas to prepare for the play offs which they won.
Hence why i said about too much emphasis put on our finishing position or points scored as the points differential and the close of the season was used for other ideas. I didnt agree with that myself but its what happened and understood the reasons.
And i said there are reasons to be optimistic but the next two seasons will determine whether the Nourry reign is a success or not. There are undoubted green shoots. i feel we could kick on next season and am seemingly a lot more optimistic as to where we could get to, than most and i personally feel Nourry has done a reasonable job so far.
With all due respect Clive you are putting words and meaning to my words that i did not say or mean at all.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 14:56 - Jun 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier
In the interview, he explicitly says that doing it his way isn't for everyone. He understands that, and they have left. 8m 45s in. Just before that he says the club was very open to new ideas.
Some on here are deliberately writing misleading things about this interview.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:14 - Jun 23 by numptydumpty
Thats not my point at all.
Never even mentioned the cups at all. We have never ever taken the cups seriously, which i dont agree with at all.
And of course, like all fans i want us to finish as high as is possible.
i made a comment about last season - at one stage over two thirds through the sesson, from about nineth to twentieth, there was six points between all of them. We could have easily finished higher but we took the foot off the gas last six games ,brought back injured players, brought in youngsters and fringe players probably to see if we should persevere with certain players or whether they need a sale or a loan.
Do i agree with that - not neccessarily - but myself looking at the bigger picture, I can understand trying players in last chance saloon, ie we had zero chance of relegation or play offs for those six games. We would have finished a lot higher if we had not used those games to look at the long term picture.
i remember season before last, Sunderland lost most of their last seven or eight games. They had little chance of falling out of the play offs and no chance of automatic. They took their foot off the gas to prepare for the play offs which they won.
Hence why i said about too much emphasis put on our finishing position or points scored as the points differential and the close of the season was used for other ideas. I didnt agree with that myself but its what happened and understood the reasons.
And i said there are reasons to be optimistic but the next two seasons will determine whether the Nourry reign is a success or not. There are undoubted green shoots. i feel we could kick on next season and am seemingly a lot more optimistic as to where we could get to, than most and i personally feel Nourry has done a reasonable job so far.
With all due respect Clive you are putting words and meaning to my words that i did not say or mean at all.
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Fair enough, I was half joking mate honest
I've just seen this narrative creeping in over the past few weeks/months (not from you necessarily) that, actually, you don't measure progress by league table position any more. That if we finish 15th every year that's fine as long as average age is coming down, youth players are getting a chance, players are being sold for profit, our juniors are getting EFL loans not non-league etc., and QPR's not really about results anyway it's about family and vibes and love and bubbles...
All of this stuff - selling players, developing players, picking younger players, overhauling the academy - is ultimately for one thing, and one thing alone: to improve the results and league position of the first team. That's it. That is the purpose of the entire club. These are just different parts of a strategy that are meant to get us there. Even after 30 years of this crap I'm still ambitious for QPR, I want this club to win.
As soon as the club, or the supporters, start talking about the league position not mattering or not being a fair judge of progress (not saying that's what you've said) we may as well give up. The only reason anyone would pretend otherwise is to avoid having their role in it scrutinised, or because they've backed the wrong horse and it's let them down so we've got to pretend it wasn't really a race in the first place.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:30 - Jun 23 by Northernr
Fair enough, I was half joking mate honest
I've just seen this narrative creeping in over the past few weeks/months (not from you necessarily) that, actually, you don't measure progress by league table position any more. That if we finish 15th every year that's fine as long as average age is coming down, youth players are getting a chance, players are being sold for profit, our juniors are getting EFL loans not non-league etc., and QPR's not really about results anyway it's about family and vibes and love and bubbles...
All of this stuff - selling players, developing players, picking younger players, overhauling the academy - is ultimately for one thing, and one thing alone: to improve the results and league position of the first team. That's it. That is the purpose of the entire club. These are just different parts of a strategy that are meant to get us there. Even after 30 years of this crap I'm still ambitious for QPR, I want this club to win.
As soon as the club, or the supporters, start talking about the league position not mattering or not being a fair judge of progress (not saying that's what you've said) we may as well give up. The only reason anyone would pretend otherwise is to avoid having their role in it scrutinised, or because they've backed the wrong horse and it's let them down so we've got to pretend it wasn't really a race in the first place.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that league position doesn’t matter over a period. That is an Aunt Sally argument. Of course it matters or we are no longer a professional sporting club.
The point being made by a few of us (as far as I’m aware) is a different one: that where we finish in a particular season is not the be all and end all if during that season you have made genuine progress in other areas likely to help you significantly improve your league position the season after.
You have acknowledged that signing two strikers who got into double figures (one of whom played little more than half a season) was a genuine breakthrough development. Hence the optimism about next season.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:44 - Jun 23 by Stainrod
I don’t think anyone is arguing that league position doesn’t matter over a period. That is an Aunt Sally argument. Of course it matters or we are no longer a professional sporting club.
The point being made by a few of us (as far as I’m aware) is a different one: that where we finish in a particular season is not the be all and end all if during that season you have made genuine progress in other areas likely to help you significantly improve your league position the season after.
You have acknowledged that signing two strikers who got into double figures (one of whom played little more than half a season) was a genuine breakthrough development. Hence the optimism about next season.
Agree with all of that mate.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:30 - Jun 23 by Northernr
Fair enough, I was half joking mate honest
I've just seen this narrative creeping in over the past few weeks/months (not from you necessarily) that, actually, you don't measure progress by league table position any more. That if we finish 15th every year that's fine as long as average age is coming down, youth players are getting a chance, players are being sold for profit, our juniors are getting EFL loans not non-league etc., and QPR's not really about results anyway it's about family and vibes and love and bubbles...
All of this stuff - selling players, developing players, picking younger players, overhauling the academy - is ultimately for one thing, and one thing alone: to improve the results and league position of the first team. That's it. That is the purpose of the entire club. These are just different parts of a strategy that are meant to get us there. Even after 30 years of this crap I'm still ambitious for QPR, I want this club to win.
As soon as the club, or the supporters, start talking about the league position not mattering or not being a fair judge of progress (not saying that's what you've said) we may as well give up. The only reason anyone would pretend otherwise is to avoid having their role in it scrutinised, or because they've backed the wrong horse and it's let them down so we've got to pretend it wasn't really a race in the first place.
I'm going to push back on this a little bit because I pushed back on Hunter when he made the same point on the Sam Field to Norwich thread.
What I said to Hunter then was:
"Fundamentally a lot of people are going to look at our league position and points total over the last three seasons and agree with you that we aren't making progress. And you're right, the league table doesn't lie. But underneath all that I think the trend is upwards. We're not going into next season worrying about relegation. Instead we're asking ourselves why can't this be our season for the playoffs.
At the start of 23/24 almost everyone outside QPR thought we were nailed on for relegation.
Our league position might not have improved much since then but the mood around the club is less pessimistic and we're now looking up rather than down.
League position is important but it doesn't always tell the whole story.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:55 - Jun 23 by KensalT
I'm going to push back on this a little bit because I pushed back on Hunter when he made the same point on the Sam Field to Norwich thread.
What I said to Hunter then was:
"Fundamentally a lot of people are going to look at our league position and points total over the last three seasons and agree with you that we aren't making progress. And you're right, the league table doesn't lie. But underneath all that I think the trend is upwards. We're not going into next season worrying about relegation. Instead we're asking ourselves why can't this be our season for the playoffs.
At the start of 23/24 almost everyone outside QPR thought we were nailed on for relegation.
Our league position might not have improved much since then but the mood around the club is less pessimistic and we're now looking up rather than down.
League position is important but it doesn't always tell the whole story.
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But it is the whole story eventually. I agree, in the short term, you can point to incremental differences and 'marginal gains', absolutely. Rome wasn't built in a day etc. I'm not expecting anybody to take that Ainsworth team and make it a play off contender overnight, absolutely not - although, as pointed out, Sunderland have gone from League One to Europe in the same timescale and we're going into year four of "the project" now.
If we're still 15th next year, that's a failure, IMO.
Some of the recruitment we've done, particularly up front, I think is quite impressive. I think we'll push on towards the top half this year and can go for that 8th spot if you fix the known problems with injuries, CM and goalkeeper.
Others may say it's fine, as long as we're not still 15th in five years.
It's really about where you draw the line in between. But... there does have to be a line somewhere. This can't be us forever, it does have to get better at some point. We're not running a creche.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:03 - Jun 23 with 1978 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 09:28 - Jun 23 by numptydumpty
I think people judging him by finishing league position alone is also not always the right barometer to measure him by.
If we had taken the last six games more seriously, instead of attempting to ease in injured players, giving younger players even more opportunities and testing fringe players in games that had no real long term meaning.
15th could have just as easily have been 9th.
Six games to go, we were safe and also had no realistic hope of the play offs either. We took our foot off the gas.Think people can focus too much on the league position with how the season panned out.
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Doesn't that just show that the club has literally zero standards under his watch
Tossing games away should be seen as a negative and not be a get of jail free card for finishing 15 th after spending big money ( by our standards )
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:09 - Jun 23 with 1951 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:59 - Jun 23 by Northernr
But it is the whole story eventually. I agree, in the short term, you can point to incremental differences and 'marginal gains', absolutely. Rome wasn't built in a day etc. I'm not expecting anybody to take that Ainsworth team and make it a play off contender overnight, absolutely not - although, as pointed out, Sunderland have gone from League One to Europe in the same timescale and we're going into year four of "the project" now.
If we're still 15th next year, that's a failure, IMO.
Some of the recruitment we've done, particularly up front, I think is quite impressive. I think we'll push on towards the top half this year and can go for that 8th spot if you fix the known problems with injuries, CM and goalkeeper.
Others may say it's fine, as long as we're not still 15th in five years.
It's really about where you draw the line in between. But... there does have to be a line somewhere. This can't be us forever, it does have to get better at some point. We're not running a creche.
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A big factor impacting our final league position in each of the last two seasons has been our chronic injury problems and poor physical condition of the players.
If we get that again next season and end up in a similar position and a similar points total again then I 100% agree that will be a failure.
There have been some good moves in the right direction.
There has also been a stubborn refusal to even acknowledge some of the things that clearly aren't right.
As for Sunderland, I think Nourry is making a mistake trying to suggest we can emulate what they did. They had a core of players who came together in League 1 and had gained a fair amount of Championship experience together by the time they got promoted. We're still parachuting in overseas players like Boy Kemper who have never played in this country.
I like the Kemper signing but he and whoever we bring in to fill the other sizable gaps in our starting eleven will need some time to bed in.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:09 - Jun 23 by KensalT
A big factor impacting our final league position in each of the last two seasons has been our chronic injury problems and poor physical condition of the players.
If we get that again next season and end up in a similar position and a similar points total again then I 100% agree that will be a failure.
There have been some good moves in the right direction.
There has also been a stubborn refusal to even acknowledge some of the things that clearly aren't right.
As for Sunderland, I think Nourry is making a mistake trying to suggest we can emulate what they did. They had a core of players who came together in League 1 and had gained a fair amount of Championship experience together by the time they got promoted. We're still parachuting in overseas players like Boy Kemper who have never played in this country.
I like the Kemper signing but he and whoever we bring in to fill the other sizable gaps in our starting eleven will need some time to bed in.
And injury problems will still be an issue unless Williams is replaced, or he and the performance team have learned their lessons.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:55 - Jun 23 by KensalT
I'm going to push back on this a little bit because I pushed back on Hunter when he made the same point on the Sam Field to Norwich thread.
What I said to Hunter then was:
"Fundamentally a lot of people are going to look at our league position and points total over the last three seasons and agree with you that we aren't making progress. And you're right, the league table doesn't lie. But underneath all that I think the trend is upwards. We're not going into next season worrying about relegation. Instead we're asking ourselves why can't this be our season for the playoffs.
At the start of 23/24 almost everyone outside QPR thought we were nailed on for relegation.
Our league position might not have improved much since then but the mood around the club is less pessimistic and we're now looking up rather than down.
League position is important but it doesn't always tell the whole story.
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I see the point you make, however (and perhaps this is just me) I really don't see discernable progress on the pitch. Leaving Ainsworth and Critchley to one side, my perception is that we have spirtied runs of good form followed by difficult to explain less good, sometimes awful form. That appears to be a concistent feature. Generally (I think with one seasons exception) Cup games appear to be treated like training games, again under various regimes. The sums that have been gained for player trading were all signed under the apparently unscientific system. We cannot (it appears) manage 3 game weeks which is a fairly basic requirement of championship football. We always seem to be saying that player x needs a good pre-season, or coach B needs a year to understand championship football and so on. Where I think some progress has been made is in the recruitment of younger players with potential. But even here it is a mixed bag. How did we end up buying so many small forwards? Why did we buy Saito when we already had Dembele, Chair etc? The logic of certain signings is more Redknapp style rack and stack than Moneyball. Surely the best way of adding value to players is to be either in or near the play off positions and winning more than you lose? The team is consistently inconsistent. What frustrates me is watching some excellent football, energy and commitment and the following match watch a team of strangers who cannot pass to another hooped shirt. That pretty much seem to be my experience over a number of seasons, so hence my view that the upcoming season is critical. For me success will be a top eight finish, more consistency, especially a strong home record, at least one of the young non regular players really making a name for themselves and a big money sale at the end of the season. Do that and I will say fantastic progress!
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:03 - Jun 23 by Rangersw12
Doesn't that just show that the club has literally zero standards under his watch
Tossing games away should be seen as a negative and not be a get of jail free card for finishing 15 th after spending big money ( by our standards )
The team was safe with 4 or 5 games to go, so players like Bennie, Esquadinha etc are given more minutes, older like Cook are reduced. That used to happen all the time before the PL and the financial rewards for finishing higher. I'm glad it's back.
What is better longer term? Finishing 9th or getting youngsters playing? Ask Mark Warburton, fat load of good it did both him and the club.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:30 - Jun 23 by oldchap
I see the point you make, however (and perhaps this is just me) I really don't see discernable progress on the pitch. Leaving Ainsworth and Critchley to one side, my perception is that we have spirtied runs of good form followed by difficult to explain less good, sometimes awful form. That appears to be a concistent feature. Generally (I think with one seasons exception) Cup games appear to be treated like training games, again under various regimes. The sums that have been gained for player trading were all signed under the apparently unscientific system. We cannot (it appears) manage 3 game weeks which is a fairly basic requirement of championship football. We always seem to be saying that player x needs a good pre-season, or coach B needs a year to understand championship football and so on. Where I think some progress has been made is in the recruitment of younger players with potential. But even here it is a mixed bag. How did we end up buying so many small forwards? Why did we buy Saito when we already had Dembele, Chair etc? The logic of certain signings is more Redknapp style rack and stack than Moneyball. Surely the best way of adding value to players is to be either in or near the play off positions and winning more than you lose? The team is consistently inconsistent. What frustrates me is watching some excellent football, energy and commitment and the following match watch a team of strangers who cannot pass to another hooped shirt. That pretty much seem to be my experience over a number of seasons, so hence my view that the upcoming season is critical. For me success will be a top eight finish, more consistency, especially a strong home record, at least one of the young non regular players really making a name for themselves and a big money sale at the end of the season. Do that and I will say fantastic progress!
Good post, old chap.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:30 - Jun 23 by oldchap
I see the point you make, however (and perhaps this is just me) I really don't see discernable progress on the pitch. Leaving Ainsworth and Critchley to one side, my perception is that we have spirtied runs of good form followed by difficult to explain less good, sometimes awful form. That appears to be a concistent feature. Generally (I think with one seasons exception) Cup games appear to be treated like training games, again under various regimes. The sums that have been gained for player trading were all signed under the apparently unscientific system. We cannot (it appears) manage 3 game weeks which is a fairly basic requirement of championship football. We always seem to be saying that player x needs a good pre-season, or coach B needs a year to understand championship football and so on. Where I think some progress has been made is in the recruitment of younger players with potential. But even here it is a mixed bag. How did we end up buying so many small forwards? Why did we buy Saito when we already had Dembele, Chair etc? The logic of certain signings is more Redknapp style rack and stack than Moneyball. Surely the best way of adding value to players is to be either in or near the play off positions and winning more than you lose? The team is consistently inconsistent. What frustrates me is watching some excellent football, energy and commitment and the following match watch a team of strangers who cannot pass to another hooped shirt. That pretty much seem to be my experience over a number of seasons, so hence my view that the upcoming season is critical. For me success will be a top eight finish, more consistency, especially a strong home record, at least one of the young non regular players really making a name for themselves and a big money sale at the end of the season. Do that and I will say fantastic progress!
I agree with most of that.
Nevertheless I think we are in a better place than we were three summers ago.
That doesn't mean Nourry should get the credit.
He came in to the club just as our finances were improving. He was able to spend money on players. And as you rightly say we haven't yet seen a big money sale for one of his signings. (I do wonder if Burrell was rushed back too soon from injury because Nourry hoped to punt him around tis summer - perhaps we'll never know).
I don't entirely go for this argument that we have to be in the top six to get good money for player sales. We got good money for Eze without being top six!
I think the advantage of being top six is that you probably have two or three decent prospects in your squad and don't have to bite for the first offer you receive. Better bargaining power is probably the real advantage of finishing high in the league. And it also helps to attract good young players if you look like a promotion prospect.
So yes league position matters when you're near the top of the table. But when you're sitting in mid table and mentally on the beach I don't think the final position matters too much.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:52 - Jun 23 with 1804 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:59 - Jun 23 by Northernr
But it is the whole story eventually. I agree, in the short term, you can point to incremental differences and 'marginal gains', absolutely. Rome wasn't built in a day etc. I'm not expecting anybody to take that Ainsworth team and make it a play off contender overnight, absolutely not - although, as pointed out, Sunderland have gone from League One to Europe in the same timescale and we're going into year four of "the project" now.
If we're still 15th next year, that's a failure, IMO.
Some of the recruitment we've done, particularly up front, I think is quite impressive. I think we'll push on towards the top half this year and can go for that 8th spot if you fix the known problems with injuries, CM and goalkeeper.
Others may say it's fine, as long as we're not still 15th in five years.
It's really about where you draw the line in between. But... there does have to be a line somewhere. This can't be us forever, it does have to get better at some point. We're not running a creche.
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Exactly.
And, to repeat it, I want QPR to succeed. I know you do. We want Nourry to be a success. But, as E17 puts much more eloquently than me, there has to be a vision, objectives, and milestones, and they should be communicated so we can measure performance against them and there can be accountability. Especially when the leadership has Nourry’s complete lack of experience in football or in a leadership role.
I know the internal objective last season was top half. I wouldn't say it was a hard target and sung from the rooftops, but it was the expectation. This season I understand it’s to compete for the play offs. This is the year.
It’s very dangerous this narrative creeping in that “actually league position isn’t important and we’re miles off the being promotion ready”. It is lowering expectations and potentially lowers performance at precisely the moment there is absolutely no justification for doing so! It is only being done for accountability avoidance reasons. That concerns me. It should concern all fans.
Let’s have some ambition. Let’s hold ourselves to account, and let’s give it a right good go. It’ll be 12 seasons this coming season. Enough with the jam tomorrow. The conditions and expenditure of the last two seasons mean this is the one to move forward materially.
Contrary to popular belief, I think this team should be top 10 and could be top 8. I really do. I think Nourry has assembled an improved squad, I love our forwards, we need a goalkeeper and central midfielder, ideally both with experience at the peak of their career. And we should be selling someone inside 12 months for big money or the expenditure has failed if you’re trying to run a player trading strategy.
If we finish top 8 and deliver a big sale, then great stuff. Well played, sir! If we’re not top half and don’t, then, thanks, but let’s give someone else a go running the club. We cannot continue as a serious professional outfit without accountability.
In the meantime, if the leadership lie and gaslight fans, it should be called out. Of course, it should. It’s irresponsible to suggest otherwise. Solution: don’t lie and gaslight.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 18:03 - Jun 23 with 1756 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:52 - Jun 23 by Hunterhoop
Exactly.
And, to repeat it, I want QPR to succeed. I know you do. We want Nourry to be a success. But, as E17 puts much more eloquently than me, there has to be a vision, objectives, and milestones, and they should be communicated so we can measure performance against them and there can be accountability. Especially when the leadership has Nourry’s complete lack of experience in football or in a leadership role.
I know the internal objective last season was top half. I wouldn't say it was a hard target and sung from the rooftops, but it was the expectation. This season I understand it’s to compete for the play offs. This is the year.
It’s very dangerous this narrative creeping in that “actually league position isn’t important and we’re miles off the being promotion ready”. It is lowering expectations and potentially lowers performance at precisely the moment there is absolutely no justification for doing so! It is only being done for accountability avoidance reasons. That concerns me. It should concern all fans.
Let’s have some ambition. Let’s hold ourselves to account, and let’s give it a right good go. It’ll be 12 seasons this coming season. Enough with the jam tomorrow. The conditions and expenditure of the last two seasons mean this is the one to move forward materially.
Contrary to popular belief, I think this team should be top 10 and could be top 8. I really do. I think Nourry has assembled an improved squad, I love our forwards, we need a goalkeeper and central midfielder, ideally both with experience at the peak of their career. And we should be selling someone inside 12 months for big money or the expenditure has failed if you’re trying to run a player trading strategy.
If we finish top 8 and deliver a big sale, then great stuff. Well played, sir! If we’re not top half and don’t, then, thanks, but let’s give someone else a go running the club. We cannot continue as a serious professional outfit without accountability.
In the meantime, if the leadership lie and gaslight fans, it should be called out. Of course, it should. It’s irresponsible to suggest otherwise. Solution: don’t lie and gaslight.
I'm not being funny Hunter but I don't see how you can agree with the very good post by oldchap about all the problems we still have on the pitch and then say we could be top 8.
I think we are well short of that at the moment.
I think we are slowly moving in the right direction and could/should have finished higher up the table last season, but I will be very pleasantly surprised if we finish top ten next season
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 19:11 - Jun 23 with 1645 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 16:30 - Jun 23 by Northernr
Fair enough, I was half joking mate honest
I've just seen this narrative creeping in over the past few weeks/months (not from you necessarily) that, actually, you don't measure progress by league table position any more. That if we finish 15th every year that's fine as long as average age is coming down, youth players are getting a chance, players are being sold for profit, our juniors are getting EFL loans not non-league etc., and QPR's not really about results anyway it's about family and vibes and love and bubbles...
All of this stuff - selling players, developing players, picking younger players, overhauling the academy - is ultimately for one thing, and one thing alone: to improve the results and league position of the first team. That's it. That is the purpose of the entire club. These are just different parts of a strategy that are meant to get us there. Even after 30 years of this crap I'm still ambitious for QPR, I want this club to win.
As soon as the club, or the supporters, start talking about the league position not mattering or not being a fair judge of progress (not saying that's what you've said) we may as well give up. The only reason anyone would pretend otherwise is to avoid having their role in it scrutinised, or because they've backed the wrong horse and it's let them down so we've got to pretend it wasn't really a race in the first place.
No worries Clive. I get the light hearted joke too. No probs.
I cant though see any love, kindness, keeping everything friendly and beautifully bubbly. I not seen any of that myself from this regime. Exact opposite tbf.
Perhaps i am being naive but i cant see it.
We do need the younger up and coming players developing and we do need the whole club to be aligned and the youth coming through is as important as there are chances for us to becoming more financially successful and also being more of a place that decent players feel they get a good chance to develop and show their skills in a winning team. Improved success league wise is one part of that.
That doesnt mean with all of that anyone at all, players , managers, board members, fans or CEO's are happy to displace the need for a higher league status etc. I havent seen that from anyone at all tbf.
Who has actually said league progress is not important. We all want that. But its got to be sustainable. Not a one season wonder Adel-Warnock inspired season. All the other bricks in the building need to be in place too.
Dont think anyone at all has said what you are implying though at all tbf, including this regime we have in place currently.
And yes we all have ambition for the club. Tbh i do think with the right recruitment this season and much improved results in terms of injuries, the target for top eight is very doable. i can understand why Nourry hasnt said that as yet as he is in the midst of a transfer window and we want to get as good a deal for the right cogs in the wheel, we need to achieve this and i actually do agree with him currently we are not there yet. He is being honest about where we are currently. He didnt say we cant expect play offs next season.
We all know what a massive difference the right man between the sticks could achieve. Am hopeful regards to this left back and i think they are learning regards their mistakes in transfers in.
I want us to be winning the champions league in the next four years.
Lets all aim high. Surely that has to be the ultimate aim !!!!!!!!!
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