| Standing to be allowed again on 10:19 - Aug 29 with 3264 views | ParkRoyalR |
Lower Loft central section would be great for our younger fans, rather than being at far end of Ellerslie, be great to have a proper home end again - know a few local young Arsenal fans who enjoyed standing in the Brentford home end the last few years. |  | |  |
| Standing to be allowed again on 10:45 - Aug 29 with 3152 views | stowmarketrange |
The rail seating would only replace existing seats,so there won’t be any extra capacity. |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 10:57 - Aug 29 with 3109 views | nadera78 |
| Standing to be allowed again on 10:45 - Aug 29 by stowmarketrange |
The rail seating would only replace existing seats,so there won’t be any extra capacity. |
That's only because that's the way clubs are selling it now. In Germany they get more people into the standing spaces when the seats are locked up - that's why the capacity in their stadiums falls when they play Champions/Europa League fixtures and they are forced to use the seats.
Eventually, after people have grown used to seeing standing at football matches in England once again, there will be a push to increase the number of people allowed to stand in those spots. | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 11:02 - Aug 29 with 3089 views | stowmarketrange |
| Standing to be allowed again on 10:57 - Aug 29 by nadera78 |
That's only because that's the way clubs are selling it now. In Germany they get more people into the standing spaces when the seats are locked up - that's why the capacity in their stadiums falls when they play Champions/Europa League fixtures and they are forced to use the seats.
Eventually, after people have grown used to seeing standing at football matches in England once again, there will be a push to increase the number of people allowed to stand in those spots. |
But it can only really be used in 1 stand at our ground,so how can it really impact the attendance that much?
Not everyone can,or wants to stand up at games,so it can only be introduced in the ends of Ellerslie road,or the lower loft,and that would mean displacing more fans who maybe won’t want to stand up for 90 mins. | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 11:11 - Aug 29 with 3065 views | Rs_Holy |
| Standing to be allowed again on 10:19 - Aug 29 by ParkRoyalR |
Lower Loft central section would be great for our younger fans, rather than being at far end of Ellerslie, be great to have a proper home end again - know a few local young Arsenal fans who enjoyed standing in the Brentford home end the last few years. |
I can see the club keeping the lower loft for family seating only… Lee Hoos has resisted all attempts before to change the status quo? Paddocks is more realistic imho? I used to love standing in the paddocks right next to the away fans… I was very young back then 😆 |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 11:54 - Aug 29 with 2972 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Standing to be allowed again on 11:02 - Aug 29 by stowmarketrange |
But it can only really be used in 1 stand at our ground,so how can it really impact the attendance that much?
Not everyone can,or wants to stand up at games,so it can only be introduced in the ends of Ellerslie road,or the lower loft,and that would mean displacing more fans who maybe won’t want to stand up for 90 mins. |
Really don't get the displacing argument, if the club are able to attract younger fans who want to stand (and sing) and re-create the home atmosphere that used to make our ground difficult to visit for away teams, I take the worst restricted view seat in the ground and be happy to have it.
Not saying that's your viewpoint but don't get selfish fans who put themselves ahead of the good of the club. | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 14:15 - Aug 29 with 2802 views | DavieQPR |
We would be just shuffling the deckchairs around. There is no point in extra capacity if you can't fill what you have got. |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 14:35 - Aug 29 with 2758 views | kensalriser |
| Standing to be allowed again on 14:15 - Aug 29 by DavieQPR |
We would be just shuffling the deckchairs around. There is no point in extra capacity if you can't fill what you have got. |
And why can't we sell what we've got?
In my view, mostly because the stadium is no longer fit for purpose. Seat room is too small for almost any adult, the concourses are too crowded at substantially below capacity, it's impossible to get the poor quality refreshments at half time without a load of queuing, pushing and jostling and the overcrowded half-time toilets are a disgrace.
I know we've all been around the block on this subject, but every visit reminds me how out of date the stadium is. I would absolutely love to see Rangers play in a new, comfortable stadium before I die and especially so if it can be designed so I don't have to be a quarter of a mile from the touchline. |  |
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| Standing to be allowed again on 16:37 - Aug 29 with 2654 views | Dorse |
Safe standing is a great idea. We should also investigate having a safe slouching and safe leaning area. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Standing to be allowed again on 19:30 - Aug 29 with 2486 views | daveB |
For atmosphere I think Ellerslie road with safe standing would be great, R block and X block are all stood up anyway for most of the game. The lower loft is the romantic choice seeing behind the goal full but it's crap for atmosphere due to the roof |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 20:12 - Aug 29 with 2423 views | Rs_Holy |
| Standing to be allowed again on 19:30 - Aug 29 by daveB |
For atmosphere I think Ellerslie road with safe standing would be great, R block and X block are all stood up anyway for most of the game. The lower loft is the romantic choice seeing behind the goal full but it's crap for atmosphere due to the roof |
Paddocks? | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 22:30 - Aug 29 with 2317 views | daveB |
| Standing to be allowed again on 20:12 - Aug 29 by Rs_Holy |
Paddocks? |
possibly but again difficult for atmosphere plus you have the disabled seats in this section | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 04:07 - Aug 30 with 2174 views | nadera78 |
| Standing to be allowed again on 11:02 - Aug 29 by stowmarketrange |
But it can only really be used in 1 stand at our ground,so how can it really impact the attendance that much?
Not everyone can,or wants to stand up at games,so it can only be introduced in the ends of Ellerslie road,or the lower loft,and that would mean displacing more fans who maybe won’t want to stand up for 90 mins. |
As an example, the Lower Loft holds about 1,500 seats - the way we're doing safe standing in England means you'd still only get 1,500 people standing there. But the way Germany allows it to be used means you'd get around 2,000 people standing in that space.
Assuming that clubs can show no unsavoury incidents occurring, they'd eventually be able to point to Germany and ask for the same allowances to be made here. So, short term there'd be no increase in capacity but long term it could. | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 04:37 - Aug 30 with 2162 views | superhoopdownunder |
Our capacity is now 18,439
I remember it was 27,000 before seats were put into the lower loft, lower school end and paddocks. Therefore we lost over 8,500 by the seats being installed.
If we were to go back to standing in these areas, what would our capacity be? | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 06:24 - Aug 30 with 2126 views | stowmarketrange |
| Standing to be allowed again on 04:37 - Aug 30 by superhoopdownunder |
Our capacity is now 18,439
I remember it was 27,000 before seats were put into the lower loft, lower school end and paddocks. Therefore we lost over 8,500 by the seats being installed.
If we were to go back to standing in these areas, what would our capacity be? |
As I said above,Rail seating means that the same number of seats would replace the existing seats,so no increase in capacity.It might even reduce capacity because you need extra space to put the rails in.There is very little legroom in most stands now,so imagine trying to sit in the same seat with a metal bar where your knees should be. | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 08:15 - Aug 30 with 2049 views | davman |
*OLD FART ALERT*
It'll be great to encourage youngsters in - atmosphere, (hopefully) much cheaper for them, increased capacity (and hopefully attendance) and I'll probably give it a go for nostalgic reasons once or twice, but will most likely revert to sitting.
The club also need to size it right (little point if the standing area is always sparsely populated) and get it in the right part of the stadium (lower loft ALWAYS the logical place for that). If not, it'll have minimal impact.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out... |  |
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| Standing to be allowed again on 08:21 - Aug 30 with 2032 views | kernowhoop |
| Standing to be allowed again on 16:37 - Aug 29 by Dorse |
Safe standing is a great idea. We should also investigate having a safe slouching and safe leaning area. |
And lying down? | | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 08:30 - Aug 30 with 2016 views | QPR_Jim |
| Standing to be allowed again on 04:07 - Aug 30 by nadera78 |
As an example, the Lower Loft holds about 1,500 seats - the way we're doing safe standing in England means you'd still only get 1,500 people standing there. But the way Germany allows it to be used means you'd get around 2,000 people standing in that space.
Assuming that clubs can show no unsavoury incidents occurring, they'd eventually be able to point to Germany and ask for the same allowances to be made here. So, short term there'd be no increase in capacity but long term it could. |
I think we might still struggle to increase the capacity as you need to be able to safely exit the stands in case of emergency, so could be issues with the size of concourses and exits which could prevent them getting approval even if it was possible.
I've never been to a stadium with rail seats but would it work with our narrow space for seats. I suppose as we're in no danger of qualifying for Europe we could maybe just do terraces and not worry about the rail seats. |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 13:32 - Aug 31 with 1715 views | Cliff |
I've just been looking up on Rail seating and I found this:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/could-rail-seating-
It contains the following:
"The Green Guide to stadium safety talks about how much space each spectator should have. The reality is seats are designed to be sat in. As soon as you stand up, you need 20% more room than you do when you sit down so if you’re standing in a seated area - even if there’s no extra people in there - it immediately becomes, technically-speaking, over-crowded. The rail seats get the space that’s designed to be the space for someone standing so, as long as there’s no migration in there, it is going to be safer."
So if I read that correct you get less capacity?
One of the thins I worry about is that when I was a kid you could work your way down to the front, how's a kid going to see the match now? |  | | |
| Standing to be allowed again on 00:52 - Sep 1 with 1530 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Standing to be allowed again on 14:35 - Aug 29 by kensalriser |
And why can't we sell what we've got?
In my view, mostly because the stadium is no longer fit for purpose. Seat room is too small for almost any adult, the concourses are too crowded at substantially below capacity, it's impossible to get the poor quality refreshments at half time without a load of queuing, pushing and jostling and the overcrowded half-time toilets are a disgrace.
I know we've all been around the block on this subject, but every visit reminds me how out of date the stadium is. I would absolutely love to see Rangers play in a new, comfortable stadium before I die and especially so if it can be designed so I don't have to be a quarter of a mile from the touchline. |
It's not some kind of intrinsic deficit of a piece of prime W12 real estate - it's a lack of management enterprise and development that has delivered up a dog's dinner of 'services' at HQ. If the club really wanted to, we could have look at all kinds of re-engineering/service options, including digging down, safe standing and bringing in proper caterers. As it is, the stadium is basically being mothballed. |  |
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