| Non QPR - Summons 15:29 - Nov 14 with 5929 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Afternoon.
Waiting for a solicitor to get back to me, but in the mean time I wish to draw from all your expertise which always delivers!
My partner has been issued a summons after a long backward and forwards with Northumbria police. She is the registered owner of our car.
Basically, we both spent a long weekend in the NE in May seeing Newcastle, Durham, Farne Islands, and the Northumbria coast etc. We had a lovely time. All in all about 700 to 900 miles driving in four days.
Because of the amount of driving we were doing we took it in turns swapping over the driving every time we stopped. Must have swapped at least 20 odd times.
Anyway at some point one of us does 37mph in a 30mph zone and get sent a ticket about three months later.
Neither of us are disputing this. But we genuinely can't remember who was driving.
Obviously we can't remember who drove that particular segment because it was a pretty anonymous part of the trip and was three months prior to when we received the ticket.
Anyway, we request the photos to see if we can identify the driver and after a long time they get to us but just show the number plate and nothing else.
We tell them we can't identify the driver. The charge for lying about who was driving vehicle when a offence is committed is minimum 6 months in nick i'm told (see Chris Huhne) so we didn't risk it. Otherwise I would have just taken the point myself.
Anyway, now they are charging us with failing to provide driver information and need to go up to Gateshead magistrate next month.
Anyone been in this situation. What do we do? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 15:48]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 17:12 - Nov 14 with 3467 views | stevec |
‘Your legal obligation is to identify the driver, the assumption being that you know who was driving the vehicle at all times. If you cannot be sure, then the Police have the option to prosecute for failing to identify the driver.’
You’ve probably already read this somewhere but appreciate it doesn’t help your situation. Have you tried ringing your local police and see what they advise?
Might be too late now but if you were both insured to drive and both on zero penalty charge points previously, it might be easier one of you just takes the hit and get it done with. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:19 - Nov 14 with 3454 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:12 - Nov 14 by stevec |
‘Your legal obligation is to identify the driver, the assumption being that you know who was driving the vehicle at all times. If you cannot be sure, then the Police have the option to prosecute for failing to identify the driver.’
You’ve probably already read this somewhere but appreciate it doesn’t help your situation. Have you tried ringing your local police and see what they advise?
Might be too late now but if you were both insured to drive and both on zero penalty charge points previously, it might be easier one of you just takes the hit and get it done with. |
Definitely too late now, and if we’d had done it (you have to declare before you see the photos) and they’d reviewed the photo after then we could have ended up with 6 months each. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:43 - Nov 14 with 3393 views | DWQPR |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:19 - Nov 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Definitely too late now, and if we’d had done it (you have to declare before you see the photos) and they’d reviewed the photo after then we could have ended up with 6 months each. |
At least your energy bills will be cheap. |  |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 17:45 - Nov 14 with 3377 views | gazza1 |
1 - They need to inform you a lot sooner than 3 months.....google it, i am not sure if they have failed to notify you in time. I thought it was 28 days after the offence.
2 - Just tell them that you do not know who was driving but it was one of the two of you. Just tell them the truth. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 17:46]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 18:11 - Nov 14 with 3306 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:43 - Nov 14 by DWQPR |
At least your energy bills will be cheap. |
And I’d get more sex. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:12 - Nov 14 with 3300 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 17:45 - Nov 14 by gazza1 |
1 - They need to inform you a lot sooner than 3 months.....google it, i am not sure if they have failed to notify you in time. I thought it was 28 days after the offence.
2 - Just tell them that you do not know who was driving but it was one of the two of you. Just tell them the truth. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 17:46]
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On 1) I was told by a solicitor it was six months
On 2) This is exactly what we’ve done so far and now have a unscheduled trip to Gateshead.
Cheers everyone. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:23 - Nov 14 with 3265 views | francisbowles |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:12 - Nov 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
On 1) I was told by a solicitor it was six months
On 2) This is exactly what we’ve done so far and now have a unscheduled trip to Gateshead.
Cheers everyone. |
Did you get a notice of impending prosecution for the speeding within 14 days?
Check Gov.uk for time limits. Don't pay too much attention to well meaning people offering opinions.
You need factual information. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:24 - Nov 14 with 3259 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry to hear this. Can you please clarify a few points, being very specific with dates/timelines:
When did the incident take place?
Were you stopped at the scene by Police or just recorded by camera?
Were you involved in an accident?
When did you receive a "ticket"?
What exactly was this "ticket" (Was it a Penalty Charge Notice, Notice of Intended Prosecution, something else)?
Was this "ticket" addressed only to the registered keeper (i.e. your partner)?
When you say you told them that you couldn't identify the driver, how did you do this and what exactly did you tell them?
If you didn't make a declaration, how did you manage to get hold of the images?
When were these images provided?
When did you receive the summons?
Who exactly has been summoned? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 18:32]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 18:49 - Nov 14 with 3202 views | stowmarketrange |
Did they not offer a speed awareness course instead of the points?A bit late now though I guess.There are specialist legal firms that specifically deal with driving offences,so it might be worth asking how you legally stand.But I thought there was a time limit on them sending out a notification of speeding tickets. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:53 - Nov 14 with 3187 views | PunteR |
Flip a coin ,whoever loses does the speed awareness course. You wont get points. Unless you've been done before within 3 years.
Im pretty sure you wont get banged up for this.
As long as you pay the fine, that's all they really want.
That's about as far as my legal expertise stretch too im afraid. |  |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 18:53 - Nov 14 with 3189 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:24 - Nov 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry to hear this. Can you please clarify a few points, being very specific with dates/timelines:
When did the incident take place?
Were you stopped at the scene by Police or just recorded by camera?
Were you involved in an accident?
When did you receive a "ticket"?
What exactly was this "ticket" (Was it a Penalty Charge Notice, Notice of Intended Prosecution, something else)?
Was this "ticket" addressed only to the registered keeper (i.e. your partner)?
When you say you told them that you couldn't identify the driver, how did you do this and what exactly did you tell them?
If you didn't make a declaration, how did you manage to get hold of the images?
When were these images provided?
When did you receive the summons?
Who exactly has been summoned? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 18:32]
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Q: When did the incident take place?
A: 8th June 2022 (not May as I thought)
Q:Were you stopped at the scene by Police or just recorded by camera?
A: Recorded by mobile unit
Q:Were you involved in an accident?
A: No
Q: When did you receive a "ticket"?
A: Can’t remember, we have to send it back. Around a week after.
Q:What exactly was this "ticket" (Was it a Penalty Charge Notice, Notice of Intended Prosecution, something else)?
A: PCN
Q:Was this "ticket" addressed only to the registered keeper (i.e. your partner)?
A: Yes
Q: When you say you told them that you couldn't identify the driver, how did you do this and what exactly did you tell them?
A: We (in my partner’s name) asked for photo evidence after receiving the PCN as we couldn’t remember who drove.
Q: If you didn't make a declaration, how did you manage to get hold of the images?
A: By post by asking. The intention was to see if the driver could be seen. Unsurprisingly me and my missus look very different.
Q:When were these images provided?
A: September 7th
Q: When did you receive the summons?
A: Today
Q:Who exactly has been summoned?
A: My partner [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 18:55]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 18:56 - Nov 14 with 3174 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:23 - Nov 14 by francisbowles |
Did you get a notice of impending prosecution for the speeding within 14 days?
Check Gov.uk for time limits. Don't pay too much attention to well meaning people offering opinions.
You need factual information. |
Yes I think so. The big gap was after we asked for photos and told them we didn’t know who driver was. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:57 - Nov 14 with 3173 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 18:49 - Nov 14 by stowmarketrange |
Did they not offer a speed awareness course instead of the points?A bit late now though I guess.There are specialist legal firms that specifically deal with driving offences,so it might be worth asking how you legally stand.But I thought there was a time limit on them sending out a notification of speeding tickets. |
Nah we didn’t get to that stage. They went straight to calling us snidy southern cnts. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 19:06 - Nov 14 with 3149 views | PunteR |
And theres me thinking politicians get away with murder.
Good luck mate. | |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 19:41 - Nov 14 with 3081 views | stevec |
Even with 20 driver changes that’s still about 40-50 miles per run, maybe try and come up with some locations either side of the event, a motorway, a pub, restaurant, so you can at least have a guess at who was most likely in charge of the vehicle. It shows you’re trying and if they’re hell bent on one of you, ask them can they access any cctv in the area that might have spotted a face in the drivers seat. Not that they’re likely to do that but at least they’ll understand your not trying to pull a stroke.
Best of luck with it. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 20:02 - Nov 14 with 3027 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 19:41 - Nov 14 by stevec |
Even with 20 driver changes that’s still about 40-50 miles per run, maybe try and come up with some locations either side of the event, a motorway, a pub, restaurant, so you can at least have a guess at who was most likely in charge of the vehicle. It shows you’re trying and if they’re hell bent on one of you, ask them can they access any cctv in the area that might have spotted a face in the drivers seat. Not that they’re likely to do that but at least they’ll understand your not trying to pull a stroke.
Best of luck with it. |
Thanks.
We’ve already built an itinerary through our bank statements. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 20:20 - Nov 14 with 2989 views | Lblock |
Personally I’d throw away the key
On a more serious side…… yet again a case of someone trying to do the right thing and the law smelling an easy win. This country is sofcukin backwards on this it kills me.
Good luck |  |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 20:27 - Nov 14 with 2964 views | stowmarketrange |
| Non QPR - Summons on 20:02 - Nov 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Thanks.
We’ve already built an itinerary through our bank statements. |
I suppose you can always go on compare the market and see whose insurance premium goes up most by adding 3 points to each of your licences in turn.Tell the truth about everything else but just see if there’s any difference in the premiums.
One person saves money and the other gets the call on sex or non sex for the full term of the points.A big call considering they stay on your licence for 4 years.
You could be ecstatic for the next 4 years or like Cliff Richard.A tough call. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 21:55 - Nov 14 with 2759 views | gazza1 |
Baz......you said
.....Anyway at some point one of us does 37mph in a 30mph zone and get sent a ticket about three months later....
You later said 14 days - if it was 14 days then they have followed the rules and you are guilty unfortunately. | | | |
| Non QPR - Summons on 22:12 - Nov 14 with 2740 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Summons on 21:55 - Nov 14 by gazza1 |
Baz......you said
.....Anyway at some point one of us does 37mph in a 30mph zone and get sent a ticket about three months later....
You later said 14 days - if it was 14 days then they have followed the rules and you are guilty unfortunately. |
Yeah I miswrote, I mean the question about who was driving arrived 3 months later (it was actually 5 months)
Not disputing the speeding as I also said, but I see you judge motoring offences like you do QPR strikers! 😆 [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 22:22]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 22:17 - Nov 14 with 2725 views | gazza1 |
| Non QPR - Summons on 22:12 - Nov 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah I miswrote, I mean the question about who was driving arrived 3 months later (it was actually 5 months)
Not disputing the speeding as I also said, but I see you judge motoring offences like you do QPR strikers! 😆 [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 22:22]
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Think u r Fxxcked mate......dont start me on our forwards [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 22:18]
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| Non QPR - Summons on 22:23 - Nov 14 with 2714 views | DWQPR |
| Non QPR - Summons on 22:17 - Nov 14 by gazza1 |
Think u r Fxxcked mate......dont start me on our forwards [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 22:18]
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Especially given that he has now admitted on a public forum of mothering offences!! 😮 | |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 02:14 - Nov 15 with 2610 views | Boston |
Do not pass go, do not collect two hundred... | |
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| Non QPR - Summons on 08:46 - Nov 15 with 2408 views | R_from_afar |
Sorry to hear about your predicament.
I have zero knowledge of legal matters but feel like the best approach is to say that although you have not been given proof of who the driver was, you will accept that the driver at the time was the legal owner. That simplifies things with the police and removes an issue which might stir things up.
Good luck with it, rooting for you. |  |
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