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Please, no politics, it's Xmas….but nurses are paid by the treasury and for every £1 awarded as a pay rise, the treasury would get a big wedge back through income tax, NI contributions, VAT, fuel duty, excise duty etc. Or am I being naive after an early start in Wetherspoons ?
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 13:32 - Dec 20 with 2031 views
On a similar vein I’ve seen memes saying Nurses £13 an hour footballer £7000 an hour, my mrs told me it was disgusting, I replied that if the footballer was upfront and honest Ala Kante for example then nearly half of that £7000 would go into the coffers, will pay for a bell if a lot of nurses, I also explained that a footballers wage isn’t paid for by the government or tax payer and what they earn has no relevance whatsoever on a nurses pay.
2 sides to this Public sector workers have been given below inflation increases for last 12 years. They've had enough hence unprecedented nurses strikes.
Gov says they are happy to award pay review body recommendations. When those increases are well below current inflation, its easy to claim unaffordability.
I don't think anybody anticipated current inflation rates. Neither Gov nor unions.
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 13:48 - Dec 20 with 1938 views
I wonder if public servants in receipt of high wages, second home support, mortgage support, expense accounts at Peter Jones, subsidised food and booze, free parking and travel, and a whopping pension package, are really best placed to consider the needs of other public servants working ridiculously long and stressful hours in dangerous conditions when their only perk of late, is pot banging and clapping!!
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 13:41 - Dec 20 by derbyhoop
2 sides to this Public sector workers have been given below inflation increases for last 12 years. They've had enough hence unprecedented nurses strikes.
Gov says they are happy to award pay review body recommendations. When those increases are well below current inflation, its easy to claim unaffordability.
I don't think anybody anticipated current inflation rates. Neither Gov nor unions.
I would give the nurses a big rise , maybe 15% so it looks like a compromise by both but the nurses win out . Introduce free training for nurses with a NHS tie in for a decent time after qualification to get value for taxpayers. A triple lock type deal ongoing .Same with ambulance workers .
Rest of the strikers .....fck em
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 13:56 - Dec 20 with 1905 views
What sketch was that, donkeys years ago,where the management, in arbitration, offered the union boss weekly sex with a lower executives wife, then his daughter phased in when she turned sixteen?
Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 14:31 - Dec 20 by DavieQPR
If they didn't waste so much money on management there would be enough to go round.
There are 1.5m people working in the NHS across the UK. They have to be managed properly or they will not be efficient.
Feel free to state where the inefficiencies are, though.
My wife has worked in the NHS for over 35 years and the working conditions are, at times, not only dangerous for the patients but potentially career ending.
During her shifts at an NHS hospital, she has to work on until all the prescriptions have been checked and processed. People in most jobs have to work late but a challenge for some in the NHS is that there a formal dismissal procedure for things like prescribing errors. When you start a day at 8.30am and are still going at 7pm, sometimes even as late as 9pm, and you know that if you make three prescribing errors, your career will be over, that is extreme pressure for you and far from ideal for the patients. You are trying to make important decisions when you are exhausted.
For the record, both her manager and his manager have been working flat out for at least a year, stressed out of their boxes. Contrary to what some tabloids and people may have you believe, they are not sat around smoking cigars and reading the Sporting Life.
The other health facility my wife works at recently relocated to a new, purpose-built facility with more beds for patients. That was great, until they realised that they simply could not get enough staff to look after the extra patients.
There are currently 140,000 vacancies in the NHS and 165,000 in social care, with the problems in social care delaying the discharge of patients in hospital who have finished their hospital treatment.
The strikes and petitions are not just about pay, they are also about the extreme pressures our health workers face. They won't turn people away, but that means they have to deal with anyone and everyone who turns up and that is brutal.
Don't believe the myth about layers of management twiddling their thumbs and all the easy efficiency savings which can be made.
I salute anyone who has the guts to work in our NHS. It's a thankless task. We are lucky to have them.
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 16:20 - Dec 20 with 1493 views
Actually Colin you're not alone in this thought - I've wondered the same whether the Govt's quoted figures of what a pay rise costs actually takes into account what would be returned to the treasury in PAYE and National Insurance.
Very very very simplistic maths here but give or take lets say every £100 pay rise results in £32 going back to the Treasury (£20 PAYE assuming everyone is a Basic Rate payer, and £12 in National Insurance), I'm sure things could be cleverly worked out so everyone appears to get a "win".
But at the moment, to be as unpolitical as possible, we do appear to have a Government that wants to play as hardball as they can get, which is only going to lead to increased pain for everyone in the short term.
I actually don't think the idea of a pay rise of X with an offset of Y years commitment to the NHS is a bad one either - its quite common in industries that offer training support. I had it when training as an accountant - if I'd taken up the study support option I'd have had to then commit 2 years I think it was after qualifying or be liable to pay back fees. Mind you in the end I chose not to take it and did it my own way.
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Economics Of A Pay Rise ? on 16:25 - Dec 20 with 1481 views
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