| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role 13:20 - Aug 10 with 2194 views | ParkRoyalR |
Following Roberts impressive play last night, can see him claiming a starting place alongside Willock and Dykes in the front 3 if he continues that level of performance,
Chair made his debut 5 years ago and I think its fairly clear to all that he struggles to play with his head up, less noticeable when Willock and Eze borrow him the ball and play-off him, but still a deeply rooted flaw in his game and holding back his ability to play as a 10 to the consistency high levels of Willock.
With SJ not getting any younger and prone to injury, I would love to see Chair given a go as the deep-lying midfielder with Amos and Field either say of him and Willock, Roberts and Dykes on top.
If Taarabt can play this role for Benefica, I am sure Chair can do a similar role for us with his tenacity, work-rate and long-range passing ability. |  | | |  |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 13:28 - Aug 10 with 2124 views | bosh67 |
It is a thought but he did score 9 goals last season further forward. |  |
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| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 14:05 - Aug 10 with 2044 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
On last night’s showing he’s a much better option than Dozzell in that position. |  |
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| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 15:30 - Aug 10 with 1941 views | EmpireStateRanger |
I wouldn't mind seeing this, especially with Amos out again and Dozzell continuing to follow one excellent pass with six poor ones.
Ultimately, I think it depends whether midfield or attack gets hit hardest by our injury bug. We may need him up front if Willock stays hurt and Roberts succumbs, too. | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 16:41 - Aug 10 with 1850 views | tkqpr |
He works hard, he could do the job, but he just doesnt like to pass, unless its to Willock.
So many times i watched him and that early pass he could make but doesn't. Now i know hes a good player im not saying he isnt, its just he trusts Willock to get it back or retain possession whereas he probably doesnt trust others. As advanced as he is, he wants to create an opening for himself, i get it, i kind of like that, however is it the best option for the team? Often not you could say.
The times when he could of played Bonne/Dykes/Gray/Austin in and doesnt just eventually stops them from showing or making the runs, coz they know they're not gonna (80/90% of the time) get it. |  | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:11 - Aug 10 with 1771 views | Benny_the_Ball |
The obvious issue with playing him in a deep-lying midfield role is his size. He'll struggle with the defensive side, particularly balls in the air.
Besides Field is performing well in role. I'd rather Beale not change one of the few things that's set and concentrate on fixing genuine problems.
Instead, Chair needs to understand that with the arrival of Roberts there's competition for places and he needs to up his game to remain in the side. |  | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:15 - Aug 10 with 1762 views | golborne |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 16:41 - Aug 10 by tkqpr |
He works hard, he could do the job, but he just doesnt like to pass, unless its to Willock.
So many times i watched him and that early pass he could make but doesn't. Now i know hes a good player im not saying he isnt, its just he trusts Willock to get it back or retain possession whereas he probably doesnt trust others. As advanced as he is, he wants to create an opening for himself, i get it, i kind of like that, however is it the best option for the team? Often not you could say.
The times when he could of played Bonne/Dykes/Gray/Austin in and doesnt just eventually stops them from showing or making the runs, coz they know they're not gonna (80/90% of the time) get it. |
he had no problem passing to wallace when in the right position!
he's only interested if the opening is solid, like all technically gifted players. willock does exactly the same, and if he'd skied saturdays shot like others I doubt folk would be saying the same.
the frustration with ilias is that folk have seen too many wild shots over time, but next time he does it, look at his options and respect that he has on his own created that opening to shoot, while the other option is mostly a static lamp post in tartan underpants. ilias is a give and go player, so there needs to be some understanding with who is around him. so may of those shots could have been a slip into the box for dykes to return to him in a better position for shooting, but dykes just looks half asleep during these passages of play and doesn't offer anything by coming off his man.
we were technically sh!t when he went to afcon, and were completely reliant on willock carrying the torch. the results completely masked the truth and willock eventually broke.
i sometimes roll my eyes at him, but christ some of you need to realise that he would make most managers and pundits championship 11. moving him aside for richards seems farcical as a primary move i.e. having ilias on the bench without protecting his fitness etc, but we have a new manager with a new style, and no doubt new favourites, so who knows what's around the corner. Dunne would be on the bench if Beale had his way..but if the injuries continue there will be plenty of room for all in many positions :) | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:16 - Aug 10 with 1759 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:11 - Aug 10 by Benny_the_Ball |
The obvious issue with playing him in a deep-lying midfield role is his size. He'll struggle with the defensive side, particularly balls in the air.
Besides Field is performing well in role. I'd rather Beale not change one of the few things that's set and concentrate on fixing genuine problems.
Instead, Chair needs to understand that with the arrival of Roberts there's competition for places and he needs to up his game to remain in the side. |
Beale's currently playing SJ in the deep lying role and has pushed Field further up with Amos,
SJ is poor in the air and the likes of Leon Britton, who is a very similar height to Chair, played this role very effectively for Swansea in their Premier League days, likewise Scowen was very effective (imo) in this role for us,
Plus next year might be able to save us a £1m in SJ's reputed wages? | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:53 - Aug 10 with 1674 views | dmm |
I can't see him wanting to play the Johansen role. Either side of Johansen yes but not DCM. |  | | |
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| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:55 - Aug 10 with 1668 views | joe90 |
I think it's a good idea and worth trying.
Regarding the 'not passing' issue. I wonder if it's actually of case of him thinking (When Willock isn't playing) that he needs to double up on the work in terms of possession and taking on players? It's his way of 'stepping up' his game, when what he should be doing is passing more. |  | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 18:00 - Aug 10 with 1656 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 16:41 - Aug 10 by tkqpr |
He works hard, he could do the job, but he just doesnt like to pass, unless its to Willock.
So many times i watched him and that early pass he could make but doesn't. Now i know hes a good player im not saying he isnt, its just he trusts Willock to get it back or retain possession whereas he probably doesnt trust others. As advanced as he is, he wants to create an opening for himself, i get it, i kind of like that, however is it the best option for the team? Often not you could say.
The times when he could of played Bonne/Dykes/Gray/Austin in and doesnt just eventually stops them from showing or making the runs, coz they know they're not gonna (80/90% of the time) get it. |
I'd say, if I were a team-mate of Chair (and not Willock), and what you say is true, there'd be a lot of legitimate rancour in the dressing room at his head-down selfishness. Chair does have a special talent, and can engineer something special for himself/the team every so often, but he's more often frustrating than on fire. Too often he plays like the gifted but greedy kid in the school playground, and the worry he is the coaches haven't been doing their job on him, or he doesn't listen, or both. [Post edited 10 Aug 2022 18:02]
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| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 18:01 - Aug 10 with 1655 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 14:05 - Aug 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
On last night’s showing he’s a much better option than Dozzell in that position. |
Who isn't? | |
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| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 18:14 - Aug 10 with 1625 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:53 - Aug 10 by dmm |
I can't see him wanting to play the Johansen role. Either side of Johansen yes but not DCM. |
I think that depends if you see the role as a defensive CDM or as Beale seems to, being the initiator of our attacking play. | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 18:15 - Aug 10 with 1625 views | BazzeR |
MB has already said he might look at playing Chair in MF.
From my view on the stream last night I actually thought that he played CMF, Bonne was generally found to be in Chairs normal position on the left channel?
When Bonne went off Armstrong went left and Shodipo was often in CMF.
Maybe the guys that went can confirm. | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 18:49 - Aug 10 with 1562 views | EmpireStateRanger |
He did occasionally pick up the ball much deeper in our end last night, but I think that was less about the position we were playing and more about "you lot aren't doing the job so let me take over" | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 12:33 - Aug 12 with 1334 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 17:16 - Aug 10 by ParkRoyalR |
Beale's currently playing SJ in the deep lying role and has pushed Field further up with Amos,
SJ is poor in the air and the likes of Leon Britton, who is a very similar height to Chair, played this role very effectively for Swansea in their Premier League days, likewise Scowen was very effective (imo) in this role for us,
Plus next year might be able to save us a £1m in SJ's reputed wages? |
Beale experimented with that in pre-season but reverted to using Field in the DCM role once the season started. As for Amos he's only featured in one of the 3 matches so far. | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 12:46 - Aug 12 with 1257 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 12:33 - Aug 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Beale experimented with that in pre-season but reverted to using Field in the DCM role once the season started. As for Amos he's only featured in one of the 3 matches so far. |
Agree Amos's injury record is a risk but one of him or Taylor Richards could play on the right of midfield with Field on the left,
SJ seemed to be sitting deep against Charlton but could be mistaken,
Either way I think it is very difficult to find a player to play this role well and believe Chair could, with added benefit of keeping Chair in the Starting XI (a must), finding space for both Richards and Roberts, and potentially moving the ball quicker from the back and particularly in the last 3rd,
SJ is becomingly increasingly injury prone and I think above is a Plan B for now, if not a soon to be Plan A. | | | |
| Chair in Deep-Lying Midfield Role on 13:16 - Aug 12 with 1203 views | ozexile |
Where's Owens? You'd think he'd be featuring. | | | |
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