| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread 15:43 - Feb 18 with 73117 views | Darran |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:19 - Feb 19 with 1577 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:06 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
So Monk's doing fine because his team "gave a good account of themselves," but that line of reasoning doesn't seem to work for Laudrup for all those games that the team gave a good account of themselves but couldn't manage to win?
I can recall only a few games this season in which performances had "dropped sharply": Birmingham and West Ham and the Liverpool game away last season. On the flip side, I can remember several notable successes that were not expected.
In balance, the manager delivered well beyond the expectations that the club had told him of: avoiding relegation. |
In balance, the manager delivered well beyond the expectations that the club had told him of: avoiding relegation.
That is the whole damned point he wasn't avoiding relegation was he?
If that was all the Club employed him for he wasn't doing his Job!
But we all know he wasn't employed just for that, but it was a given. |  | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:20 - Feb 19 with 1574 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 21:02 - Feb 18 by Davillin |
Respectfully, it is far too early to be reaching any conclusions about the "breach of contract" line. That's a legal issue that will be dealt with in a legal setting.
The words "breach of contract" came from Laudrup, not from any official or unofficial statement from the Board.
Disobeying legitimate instructions from one's employer is at least potentially a form of "breach of contract," otherwise there'd be no need for a contract in the first place.
Just above this post, I referred to Laudrup's telling his employer "You can do whatever you want but just don’t interfere in my job." This was a very bad move because it sets up a perfect scenario for breach of contract if he refuses to follow a direct order. |
Laudrup said "Don't interfere" and Huw apparently agreed, and his statements last year, when Swansea was enjoying its high after beating Arsenal away (IIRC), confirm this. He said that he had complete trust in the manager and that he didn't bring Laudrup in to manage the club outside of the pitch, because they were very adept at that. It seems that the board had forgotten about their promises. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:21 - Feb 19 with 1569 views | Dewi1jack |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 11:48 - Feb 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
"it will be a disgrace if the board aren't forced to answer questions on how they are running the club."
FORCED, are you joking?
Are you a Shareholder in SCFC?
The Board runs the Club the way they see fit, they do not need to answer to anybody other than Shareholders in the Club.
It would be really nice of them to let the Fans know what has been going on, but not before any kind of legal action or tribunal.
If you really want ML's dirty washing hung out in public that is fine, as I would love to see it too. |
"It would be really nice of them to let the Fans know what has been going on, but not before any kind of legal action or tribunal. "
Is the correct statement.
For anyone waiting for a statement from the club, hopefully the club have taken the advice their legal team have undoubtedly given them
and leave people waiting until any tribunal/ court action is finished |  |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:21 - Feb 19 with 1568 views | Darran |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:20 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
Laudrup said "Don't interfere" and Huw apparently agreed, and his statements last year, when Swansea was enjoying its high after beating Arsenal away (IIRC), confirm this. He said that he had complete trust in the manager and that he didn't bring Laudrup in to manage the club outside of the pitch, because they were very adept at that. It seems that the board had forgotten about their promises. |
Laudrups gone Dude,go away. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:24 - Feb 19 with 1552 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 21:05 - Feb 18 by Uxbridge |
There's a good point. Wonder if today was an attempt to shame the club into settling because his counsel thinks he can't win. |
I don't think he needs the money that badly. If money were the most important thing for him, he'd have gone when his stock was extremely high at the end of last season. He's defending himself against the character assassination, and fair play to him, he deserves to have his say after what he has achieved in on the pitch as a player and manager.
I very much doubt that he would have been dismissed by email in Spain, Denmark, or even Russia after reaching an agreement to continue working together just hours earlier. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:33 - Feb 19 with 1532 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 21:40 - Feb 18 by Dewi1jack |
Good thought.
At least 3 times during the PC, ML has admitted to failing to follow his employers direct instructions, as regards to change your staff.
Not the best of things to have done, if you're chasing an employment tribunal let alone a courtroom decision on a contract.
Thanks for what you have done for us ML.
Go quietly and with honour and dignity.
Say nothing until you are in the privacy of a tribunal/ court.
It could come back and really bite you on the ar se |
Laudrup didn't "fail to meet the board's instructions" as you say. As manager, he is supposed to be solicited for his opinion on these matters, and in all fairness, his experience in football both as a legendary player and manager probably means that his opinion holds more weight than those watching from the stands. He gave his opinion after listening to what the board had to say. The board accepted his opinion, as they didn't sack his staff until shortly before he was sacked. Three games later, the board made a more forceful request, and again Laudrup didn't agree that the staff was the problem. Obviously, his disagreement on the issue of whether the club needed new staff does not constitute "failure to follow the board's instructions."
But the fact that the board was now interfering on matters directly pertaining to what Laudrup was given authority over at the time when he agreed to sign for Swansea means they are guilty of going back on their word, official or not. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:39 - Feb 19 with 1520 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 21:52 - Feb 18 by Phil_S |
It's an opinion but as I said in many comments to various media sources at the time we would not have taken the decision to sack him lightly. And if we are alleging breach of contract (and I have no idea what part he breached) but it wouldnt have just come from Huw, Leigh and Martin discussing over a glass of champagne at Morgans last weekend that much is certain |
But if there really had been a breach of contract, when did that occur?
Did the breach occur in the moments immediately following the West Ham game?
Did it happen after Jenkins and Laudrup shook hands on Tuesday morning?
Of course not! This is obviously a way to avoid paying Laudrup what is due him. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:41 - Feb 19 with 1513 views | Dewi1jack |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:24 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
I don't think he needs the money that badly. If money were the most important thing for him, he'd have gone when his stock was extremely high at the end of last season. He's defending himself against the character assassination, and fair play to him, he deserves to have his say after what he has achieved in on the pitch as a player and manager.
I very much doubt that he would have been dismissed by email in Spain, Denmark, or even Russia after reaching an agreement to continue working together just hours earlier. |
I don't know if you're old enough to be employed.
Or if you are, you have been in management and had to discipline/ sack/ lay someone off, but I'm really doubting all of the above.
Listen to the PC, specifically where ML states he refused to follow his employers instructions 3 times on 3 different occasions. Not only that, but he admits to not even being bothered to listen to them.
If you are old enough to be in work, I suggest you try not listening to your boss, doing what they say and see what happens. Doubt you'll get 3 chances.
You've heard a small bit of one side of the story and made your mind? up.
Hopefully the club do not give their side of the story (if at all) until the outcome of any legal action | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:43 - Feb 19 with 1511 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 21:59 - Feb 18 by Darran |
Aye Byron Tutu was touting Williams all over Europe wasn't he?
People forget these things. |
In hindsight, based on this season's performances, maybe that wasn't such a bad thing to find out how much he was worth on the market?
That is, if you totally disregard the fact that he's been hampered by injuries as have so many of the rest of the team, right? In which case, then Laudrup cannot be blamed, can he? | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:44 - Feb 19 with 1503 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:24 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
I don't think he needs the money that badly. If money were the most important thing for him, he'd have gone when his stock was extremely high at the end of last season. He's defending himself against the character assassination, and fair play to him, he deserves to have his say after what he has achieved in on the pitch as a player and manager.
I very much doubt that he would have been dismissed by email in Spain, Denmark, or even Russia after reaching an agreement to continue working together just hours earlier. |
Gone where? Who came in for him?
What character assassination? The club have barely said a word, and in fact came out and distanced themselves from any media reports.
You're assuming Laudrup's word is gospel in this. Given that they spoke in person a few hours earlier, and we have at least one well placed person saying he never read his emails anyway, then he would seem to be bending the truth at least.
PS What on earth does his playing achievements have to do with this? You Danes can't seem to separate Laudrup the player to Laudrup the rather flawed manager.
For what it's worth, I don't think the club handled his departure very well, but you have to wonder about the ego of a former manager who takes the almost unique position of holding a press conference with very interesting timing before a major Swans match just to bitch and moan about the fact he, King Michael of Copenhagen, was sacked by this ungrateful small club. It might have had some relevance if he had said anything of note in the presser, but he refused to do so. It was all rather pathetic really. |  |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:44 - Feb 19 with 1499 views | perchrockjack |
Ive shaken hands with many people only later to smack them | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:46 - Feb 19 with 1493 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 22:20 - Feb 18 by ymaohyd |
As much as most of us have huge respect for the board, this whole episode hasn't been handled very well. Such is life though and particularly life in football.
A board full of people who genuinely love the club against, egotistical, agents, managers, players. The majority of whom couldn't give a stuff about the club and are only interested in the mighty dollar..and I suppose that's fair enough. That's what we are dealing with though, Huw Jenkins and the board need to make sure they learn lessons, whom they appoint etc..etc.
That said the worst case scenario is about to be played out. Poor old wronged Michael, holding press conferences and not having the opportunity to say his goodbyes!!! He hardly spoke to them when he was here! If your management style is one that sees you take an elitist stance and by choice keep players and club staff at arms length, in my book you must then accept that when your time is up, as is the case in the vast majority of cases for managers in football then you can't reasonably expect a lot of love coming your way. |
So, are you suggesting that the board itself is free of egos? If they are, then why did they apparently not sign any of those players Laudrup had persuaded to join Swansea during the summer? Maybe their egos got in the way. Just a thought. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:49 - Feb 19 with 1487 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:14 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
Maybe if Huw hadn't closed the door on Bayram, some of the players Laudrup had persuaded to join Swansea would have joined. It seems the board didn't follow through on those players, and maybe due to lack of experience in the Spanish market, as all the players they got the previous summer were brought in by Bayram. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 12:15]
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Or, alternatively, Tutu got way ahead of himself and started arranging all sorts of deals regarding the buying of new players and selling of existing players which went well above and beyond his authority. It's no secret he was expelled from the club due to grossly overstepping the mark and trying to get his grubby fingers into every deal that involves SCFC. Tutu does now own Swansea City, or even run it. He's merely the agent of Laudrup. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:51 - Feb 19 with 1467 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:46 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
So, are you suggesting that the board itself is free of egos? If they are, then why did they apparently not sign any of those players Laudrup had persuaded to join Swansea during the summer? Maybe their egos got in the way. Just a thought. |
Which players were these? Had Laudrup agreed terms with these players? Had Laudrup arranged the fees between the clubs? Had Laudrup ensured that no other clubs were bidding for these?
Because if you don't have these details, then I'm going to have to call bullshit on this. I love the idea that Laudrup could just go to a player, ask him if he wants to sign, and that would be that. It'd be very interesting to hear whether these players were approached through Tutu and how much of a cut he was hoping to earn from this.
And there we have the crux. Was Laudrup operating in the interests of SCFC or in the interests of his agent and his reputation? | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:52 - Feb 19 with 1464 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:19 - Feb 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
In balance, the manager delivered well beyond the expectations that the club had told him of: avoiding relegation.
That is the whole damned point he wasn't avoiding relegation was he?
If that was all the Club employed him for he wasn't doing his Job!
But we all know he wasn't employed just for that, but it was a given. |
They told him that they would be happy as long as Swansea finished 17th. As the last two games showed, they were only a few games from getting a measure of security. After the Fulham game, they were in practically the same position they are in now. After the next few fixtures, they could be back in the same position that they were after Laudrup's last game. So, the table position of Swansea when it is at its lowest, especially considering you had 9 players on the treatment table at one point while playing the strongest opponents, and after having played in Europe, should not be the deciding factor. Look at Real Betis and Newcastle last year. If far bigger clubs can have those problems under the same manager who brought them the success to take them to Europe, then it is probably not the manager, is it? | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:53 - Feb 19 with 1463 views | llangyfelach |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:44 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Gone where? Who came in for him?
What character assassination? The club have barely said a word, and in fact came out and distanced themselves from any media reports.
You're assuming Laudrup's word is gospel in this. Given that they spoke in person a few hours earlier, and we have at least one well placed person saying he never read his emails anyway, then he would seem to be bending the truth at least.
PS What on earth does his playing achievements have to do with this? You Danes can't seem to separate Laudrup the player to Laudrup the rather flawed manager.
For what it's worth, I don't think the club handled his departure very well, but you have to wonder about the ego of a former manager who takes the almost unique position of holding a press conference with very interesting timing before a major Swans match just to bitch and moan about the fact he, King Michael of Copenhagen, was sacked by this ungrateful small club. It might have had some relevance if he had said anything of note in the presser, but he refused to do so. It was all rather pathetic really. |
That's a pretty ruddy good post
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:53 - Feb 19 with 1461 views | Darran |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:44 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Gone where? Who came in for him?
What character assassination? The club have barely said a word, and in fact came out and distanced themselves from any media reports.
You're assuming Laudrup's word is gospel in this. Given that they spoke in person a few hours earlier, and we have at least one well placed person saying he never read his emails anyway, then he would seem to be bending the truth at least.
PS What on earth does his playing achievements have to do with this? You Danes can't seem to separate Laudrup the player to Laudrup the rather flawed manager.
For what it's worth, I don't think the club handled his departure very well, but you have to wonder about the ego of a former manager who takes the almost unique position of holding a press conference with very interesting timing before a major Swans match just to bitch and moan about the fact he, King Michael of Copenhagen, was sacked by this ungrateful small club. It might have had some relevance if he had said anything of note in the presser, but he refused to do so. It was all rather pathetic really. |
If course his word is gospel,he's refused to answer the journos every time he's been asked if he plans to be here next season by saying he only lives in the present,yesterday he's telling them without being asked that he had every intention of being here next season. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:03 - Feb 19 with 1447 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:14 - Feb 19 by perchrockjack |
No he doing fine because the players look more energised and committed.
Only those games really?
Take your pick from several for over 9 months.
The Board can only be criticised for not sacking him last summer when it became clear he couldn't work with Jenkins and is agent was personal non grata. How can a manager with any self respect stay at a club when his agent actually wants no dialogue with his employers. LAUDRUP works through and with his agent .
Our Board need to be more savvy media wise but until we have major investment or a billionaire bored off his skull they are all we have so cant the point of pissssijg them off as without them we truly are fooked |
The second half of the Everton display was worse than any I'd seen under Laudrup, except Liverpool away last season.
Energised and committed? Most players play that way after a new manager has been hired. They want to prove themselves.
They played the same way for Laudrup in his first few games. 5-0 against QPR. 3-0 against Aston Villa. A very good performance against Sunderland barring an inability to stop Fletcher.
Then it was the players, NOT THE MANAGER, that disappointed against Everton at home and Stoke away. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 13:24]
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:05 - Feb 19 with 1435 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:03 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
The second half of the Everton display was worse than any I'd seen under Laudrup, except Liverpool away last season.
Energised and committed? Most players play that way after a new manager has been hired. They want to prove themselves.
They played the same way for Laudrup in his first few games. 5-0 against QPR. 3-0 against Aston Villa. A very good performance against Sunderland barring an inability to stop Fletcher.
Then it was the players, NOT THE MANAGER, that disappointed against Everton at home and Stoke away. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 13:24]
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Everton? You mean our reserve team. And hell that was still a million times better than West Ham away.
Stoke? You mean the only time we've got a point up there, and pretty much dominated the game.
Again, another thing that Laudrup couldn't possibly be to blame for eh. It's either the players fault or the board's fault, never St. Michael. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:06 - Feb 19 with 1430 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:53 - Feb 19 by llangyfelach |
That's a pretty ruddy good post
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I hope not. I'm just warming up 
Christ, Laudrup instilling some passion in me. He couldn't manage that when he was here. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:08 - Feb 19 with 1425 views | perchrockjack |
second half we lost because of two mistakes. Simple as.
wasn't GOOD but not that bad and hardly the disgrace thearcharsewip Roy Keane said | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:13 - Feb 19 with 1417 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:44 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Gone where? Who came in for him?
What character assassination? The club have barely said a word, and in fact came out and distanced themselves from any media reports.
You're assuming Laudrup's word is gospel in this. Given that they spoke in person a few hours earlier, and we have at least one well placed person saying he never read his emails anyway, then he would seem to be bending the truth at least.
PS What on earth does his playing achievements have to do with this? You Danes can't seem to separate Laudrup the player to Laudrup the rather flawed manager.
For what it's worth, I don't think the club handled his departure very well, but you have to wonder about the ego of a former manager who takes the almost unique position of holding a press conference with very interesting timing before a major Swans match just to bitch and moan about the fact he, King Michael of Copenhagen, was sacked by this ungrateful small club. It might have had some relevance if he had said anything of note in the presser, but he refused to do so. It was all rather pathetic really. |
First of all, I'm not Danish.
Second, Huw himself said that Laudrup is one of the most genuine and honest men he has ever met. I'll take his word on Laudrup, especially since it came after they parted ways.
Thirdly, if you think Laudrup is lying, then show me another instance where he has lied in a similar manner?
If you recall, every time he was asked about whether he wished to stay at Swansea last season, he said that his "intention" was to stay. But he qualified that by saying that one cannot really say for certain. That was a very honest response. And despite all the speculation of him going, he decided to stay. He himself said that he was approached by Chelsea.
Hard as it is to believe, Abramovich called Laudrup before Mourinho. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:15 - Feb 19 with 1407 views | Darran |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:13 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
First of all, I'm not Danish.
Second, Huw himself said that Laudrup is one of the most genuine and honest men he has ever met. I'll take his word on Laudrup, especially since it came after they parted ways.
Thirdly, if you think Laudrup is lying, then show me another instance where he has lied in a similar manner?
If you recall, every time he was asked about whether he wished to stay at Swansea last season, he said that his "intention" was to stay. But he qualified that by saying that one cannot really say for certain. That was a very honest response. And despite all the speculation of him going, he decided to stay. He himself said that he was approached by Chelsea.
Hard as it is to believe, Abramovich called Laudrup before Mourinho. |
"Hard as it is to believe, Abramovich called Laudrup before Mourinho."
Got a link? | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:17 - Feb 19 with 1397 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:49 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Or, alternatively, Tutu got way ahead of himself and started arranging all sorts of deals regarding the buying of new players and selling of existing players which went well above and beyond his authority. It's no secret he was expelled from the club due to grossly overstepping the mark and trying to get his grubby fingers into every deal that involves SCFC. Tutu does now own Swansea City, or even run it. He's merely the agent of Laudrup. |
There is no evidence that Tutu acted any differently than in the previous season when he brought in Michu, De Guzman, Chico and Hernandez. And he didn't toot his own horn when those players were brought in, even while Jenkins was getting all the acclaim.
But one season later, when he's willing to listen to offers for one of Swansea's most valuable players, who is replaceable if the price is right, I might add, then all of a sudden he becomes the fall guy. (I'm not even convinced that I even believe those stories about Williams anyway.) | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:20 - Feb 19 with 1385 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:13 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
First of all, I'm not Danish.
Second, Huw himself said that Laudrup is one of the most genuine and honest men he has ever met. I'll take his word on Laudrup, especially since it came after they parted ways.
Thirdly, if you think Laudrup is lying, then show me another instance where he has lied in a similar manner?
If you recall, every time he was asked about whether he wished to stay at Swansea last season, he said that his "intention" was to stay. But he qualified that by saying that one cannot really say for certain. That was a very honest response. And despite all the speculation of him going, he decided to stay. He himself said that he was approached by Chelsea.
Hard as it is to believe, Abramovich called Laudrup before Mourinho. |
Bullshit. Laudrup was first choice and he didn't go? Heh. Heh heh heh heh. Do you really, truly, believe that?
And, yeah you are.
So, which is it? Is Jenkins a truthful person or a liar? You can't have it both ways. | |
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