| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread 15:43 - Feb 18 with 73118 views | Darran |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:32 - Feb 19 with 1588 views | outtolunch |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 12:52 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
They told him that they would be happy as long as Swansea finished 17th. As the last two games showed, they were only a few games from getting a measure of security. After the Fulham game, they were in practically the same position they are in now. After the next few fixtures, they could be back in the same position that they were after Laudrup's last game. So, the table position of Swansea when it is at its lowest, especially considering you had 9 players on the treatment table at one point while playing the strongest opponents, and after having played in Europe, should not be the deciding factor. Look at Real Betis and Newcastle last year. If far bigger clubs can have those problems under the same manager who brought them the success to take them to Europe, then it is probably not the manager, is it? |
His words. No one elses with regard to the 17th place. You are just listening to him.
Are you MLs and Agent Batrams love child by any chance ? |  | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:37 - Feb 19 with 1569 views | Dewi1jack |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:19 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
"he hadn't thought of assigning a dedicated penalty taker?"
Often assistants are responsible for those duties, and Curtis would probably have known better than Wieghorst or Laudrup who the best penalty taker is anyway. And that would probably be why Laudrup didn't look pleased and was asking questions of Curtis. To be fair, some of the blame of course falls to Laudrup, but I'm sure others need to look at themselves too, especially Dyer, who was never designated as a set piece taker and had a greedy moment there in insisting to take the penalty.
"The game in which Laudrup played a midfielder in the back four because Laudrup had fallen out with our other defender?'
So, now it is Laudrup's fault that Bartley played horrendously against Liverpool and was clearly not in form to play an important cup final? Is it his fault that Chico suffered an injury?
Anyway, your criticisms about Laudrup during one game have no bearing on whether he was wanted by top clubs in Europe. Absolutely none. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 14:21]
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"To be fair, some of the blame of course falls to Laudrup, but I'm sure others need to look at themselves too, especially Dyer, who was never designated as a set piece taker and had a greedy moment there in insisting to take the penalty."
Fair play, you are actually saying that your King, must take some of the blame.
He's the manager. He takes all the blame.
The final decisions about playing style, squad, players on the pitch, formation etc etc all have to come down to the manager, not his assistants.
The clue is in the title. MANAGER
The assistants are there to assist. Not rocket science is it
Dyer. Greedy moment? You do realise that penalty, if scored would have been his hat trick. At Wemberleeeeee. Not something that happens at many games played at our 2nd home.
It is at this point that I realised you know sod all about anything football related, let alone our club.
I realise you're now pining for your your idol.
Don't worry. The next one will be along shortly at some club in the world for you.
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:38 - Feb 19 with 1566 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:32 - Feb 19 by outtolunch |
His words. No one elses with regard to the 17th place. You are just listening to him.
Are you MLs and Agent Batrams love child by any chance ? |
After having lost three of their best players, while not yet having brought in Michu, De Guzman, Hernandez, Chico, etc. I don't think there is any reason to doubt that the expectations for Laudrup were fairly low at the time he came in.
I'll say what I said again. If you think he's lying, tell me of another instance where he has clearly lied in similar manner. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:47 - Feb 19 with 1552 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:24 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Evidence? Oh we're talking about evidence are we. What evidence is there that Laudrup was *snigger* Abramovic's first choice? What evidence is there that Laudrup was only told by email that he was going? Interesting standards being applied here.
The truth about Tutu will likely come out in the wash sooner rather than later. However from what I know to be true, he acted completely disgracefully and used his position to make as much money as he possibly could with absolutely no consideration for what was best for Swansea City. He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did and certainly no authority to try and sell our club captain as part of one of those deals. If you or Laudrup can't see that then it's good that he's gone. |
"He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did"
But he brought in Michu, De Guzman, Chico, and Hernandez. Granted, he didn't bring in Ki, but that is 4 of those 5 players. How could he have done that unless he was given the authority to do so, especially as you have correctly observed, he doesn't own Swansea? [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 14:57]
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:54 - Feb 19 with 1528 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:37 - Feb 19 by Dewi1jack |
"To be fair, some of the blame of course falls to Laudrup, but I'm sure others need to look at themselves too, especially Dyer, who was never designated as a set piece taker and had a greedy moment there in insisting to take the penalty."
Fair play, you are actually saying that your King, must take some of the blame.
He's the manager. He takes all the blame.
The final decisions about playing style, squad, players on the pitch, formation etc etc all have to come down to the manager, not his assistants.
The clue is in the title. MANAGER
The assistants are there to assist. Not rocket science is it
Dyer. Greedy moment? You do realise that penalty, if scored would have been his hat trick. At Wemberleeeeee. Not something that happens at many games played at our 2nd home.
It is at this point that I realised you know sod all about anything football related, let alone our club.
I realise you're now pining for your your idol.
Don't worry. The next one will be along shortly at some club in the world for you.
A bit like 7 year olds and 1 direction |
So you don't think Dyer was greedy? Would you have Dyer take all the penalties from now on?
I don't think he would take any penalties for me if I were the 'MANAGER.'
But if he were your penalty taker of choice, then maybe we need to find a 'MANAGER' who will make sure that anyone who has a chance of getting a hat-trick takes the next penalty, because it means everything to ONE PLAYER. Every self-respecting 'MANAGER' should make sure that nobody's chances of getting a hat-trick are ever put in jeopardy at the risk of scoring a goal!
I mean that should be obvious MANAGING 101! There should never be a question when it comes to GOAL FOR TEAM vs. HAT-TRICK FOR DYER, right? HAT-TRICK FOR DYER every time, no question!
BTW, I remind you that De Guzman was not only the set-piece specialist, but also the one that won the penalty. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 14:57]
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:05 - Feb 19 with 1501 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:03 - Feb 19 by Yr_Arglwydd_Rhys |
"Let's think back on Laudrup post Capitol One Cup, and not with the present lens of having been fired by Swansea. It is the only way we'll have an objective opinion about what transpired in the summer of 2013. "
Hmm...shall we? The game which featured a squabble between our players over penalty taking because, as Laudrup admitted later, he hadn't thought of assigning a dedicated penalty taker? The game - sorry, final - where Laudrup did not appear in the changing rooms for a team talk? The game in which Laudrup played a midfielder in the back four because Laudrup had fallen out with our other defender? Just before he then fell out with the midfielder and refused to talk to him ever again, like a five year old child?
No doubt Laudrup played a role in the cup win, but the match itself tells us so much about the man and his managing style: it works spectacularly at times, but boy does he make problems for himself. |
I paraphrase your tirade against Laudrup: "Laudrup is a poor manager because he has fallen out with a defender and a midfielder."
If falling out with two players makes one a poor manager, then what do you make of Sir Alex Ferguson? Is he worse than Laudrup? | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:17 - Feb 19 with 1477 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:07 - Feb 19 by Dull1Thomas |
Knowing the pecking order for taking penalties is really important for us …  which decade are we due our next?
I thought deGuzman was our penalty taker.
TBH if I'd been JdG I'd have given the ball to Dyer .. the chance of a hat trick in a major final at Wembley is a rare thing. |
"TBH if I'd been JdG I'd have given the ball to Dyer .. the chance of a hat trick in a major final at Wembley is a rare thing"
De Guzman ended up with two goals, the same as Dyer. Dyer would probably have a far greater likelihood of missing the penalty.
The way the goals were flowing that game, probably even Michu had a chance for a hat-trick. Should De Guzman's chance of a hat-trick have been denied because Dyer felt that he should have a go at it, however unlikely he is to score a penalty?
This can be debated ad nauseum, but the problem is clearly with Dyer. Not with Laudrup, who even after issuing instructions through Michu that De Guzman should take the penalty, saw Dyer continue his spat. That is a problem with the player's self-discipline, plain and simple. | | | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:20 - Feb 19 with 1468 views | Dewi1jack |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:54 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
So you don't think Dyer was greedy? Would you have Dyer take all the penalties from now on?
I don't think he would take any penalties for me if I were the 'MANAGER.'
But if he were your penalty taker of choice, then maybe we need to find a 'MANAGER' who will make sure that anyone who has a chance of getting a hat-trick takes the next penalty, because it means everything to ONE PLAYER. Every self-respecting 'MANAGER' should make sure that nobody's chances of getting a hat-trick are ever put in jeopardy at the risk of scoring a goal!
I mean that should be obvious MANAGING 101! There should never be a question when it comes to GOAL FOR TEAM vs. HAT-TRICK FOR DYER, right? HAT-TRICK FOR DYER every time, no question!
BTW, I remind you that De Guzman was not only the set-piece specialist, but also the one that won the penalty. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 14:57]
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There was no "penalty taker of choice"
That's down to a management failure, as ML stated at the time.
The game was won in reality when the 1st goal went in. What's wrong in letting someone, who BTW has been here a lot longer than JDG, have their moment?
Can you tell me how many hat tricks have been scored in the League Cup Final?
It would have been the first one under the name "The Capital One Cup final", so would have gone down in the record books as such
You really are a sanctimonious little prik, who as I said earlier, knows sod all about football and the emotions that go with it.
It's people like you and press conferences/ journos etc etc, who can easily turn our gratitude to ML for what he's done, into a dislike of the bloke, because of trying (and failing miserably) to drag our clubs name through the mud.
No Swansea fan would try and do that.
Come back on here when both sides of the story are in the public domain.
We are Swansea. You don't like us, we don't care
So, on that note of finality.
Find another little fad to follow and
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:24 - Feb 19 with 1459 views | llangyfelach |
Never seen such sheer blind devotion and sense of loss at the sacking of a manager in all my years of supporting Swansea. Absolutely f*cking bonkers.
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:26 - Feb 19 with 1457 views | Darran |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:20 - Feb 19 by Dewi1jack |
There was no "penalty taker of choice"
That's down to a management failure, as ML stated at the time.
The game was won in reality when the 1st goal went in. What's wrong in letting someone, who BTW has been here a lot longer than JDG, have their moment?
Can you tell me how many hat tricks have been scored in the League Cup Final?
It would have been the first one under the name "The Capital One Cup final", so would have gone down in the record books as such
You really are a sanctimonious little prik, who as I said earlier, knows sod all about football and the emotions that go with it.
It's people like you and press conferences/ journos etc etc, who can easily turn our gratitude to ML for what he's done, into a dislike of the bloke, because of trying (and failing miserably) to drag our clubs name through the mud.
No Swansea fan would try and do that.
Come back on here when both sides of the story are in the public domain.
We are Swansea. You don't like us, we don't care
So, on that note of finality.
Find another little fad to follow and
GO FUK SPIDERS |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:28 - Feb 19 with 1449 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:20 - Feb 19 by Dewi1jack |
There was no "penalty taker of choice"
That's down to a management failure, as ML stated at the time.
The game was won in reality when the 1st goal went in. What's wrong in letting someone, who BTW has been here a lot longer than JDG, have their moment?
Can you tell me how many hat tricks have been scored in the League Cup Final?
It would have been the first one under the name "The Capital One Cup final", so would have gone down in the record books as such
You really are a sanctimonious little prik, who as I said earlier, knows sod all about football and the emotions that go with it.
It's people like you and press conferences/ journos etc etc, who can easily turn our gratitude to ML for what he's done, into a dislike of the bloke, because of trying (and failing miserably) to drag our clubs name through the mud.
No Swansea fan would try and do that.
Come back on here when both sides of the story are in the public domain.
We are Swansea. You don't like us, we don't care
So, on that note of finality.
Find another little fad to follow and
GO FUK SPIDERS |
Right. I don't support SWANSEA because I believe the one who has the best chance of scoring the goal for the team should be given his chance of shooting the penalty that he won while being fouled in the box. I would rather give the chance to someone so that his name would appear in a record book somewhere, even if he probably has a big chance of missing said penalty.
I firmly believe the team comes first. I support the team over any player, regardless of whether that is Michu, Bony or Dyer. I also believe that regardless of the scoreline, the game must be played with the team focus as the first priority.
So, tell me again why I should support another team? Because I don't support a childish prick who insists on having his name in the record books over another player who could have done the same and who had a better chance of scoring a goal for THE TEAM? [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 15:30]
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:29 - Feb 19 with 1445 views | Darran |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:24 - Feb 19 by llangyfelach |
Never seen such sheer blind devotion and sense of loss at the sacking of a manager in all my years of supporting Swansea. Absolutely f*cking bonkers.
I bet Kenny Jackett is breaking his heart |
I'd go further and say in all my years watching football. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:33 - Feb 19 with 1432 views | Yr_Arglwydd_Rhys |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:11 - Feb 19 by Dull1Thomas |
Apart from the penalty situation all of that is speculation. |
Ki being played in defence is not speculation. That Laudrup had fallen out with Bartley and later Ki may be, but I trust my multiple sources on these.
Indeed, I might agree with Laudrup that the behaviour of the players and/or relatives was despicable, but holding grudges is unprofessional. One could even say that playing Ki there was an unnecessary risk which thankfully did not backfire. Yet Laudrup was in a position to resolve both matters. He did not. |  | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:34 - Feb 19 with 1430 views | Jackhero |
Dibaba, your either a wind up merchant with no knowledge of our club, a Laudrup lover with no knowledge of our club, or worse, a true swans fan with absolutely no knowledge of our club, I'd even go as far as saying you know sweet FA about football either.
I've already said a lot a what has been said rings true with what I had heard long ago about ML and his persona. There's one eye witness account of something that happened at a game last year with Laudrup and the players, which was enough in my opinion to sack him after the game.
So all you Laudrup knob suckers just do one will you, players have already said we are better for the change , just accept that fact and move on (Michael I'm talking to you too) |  |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:42 - Feb 19 with 1387 views | Yr_Arglwydd_Rhys |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:05 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
I paraphrase your tirade against Laudrup: "Laudrup is a poor manager because he has fallen out with a defender and a midfielder."
If falling out with two players makes one a poor manager, then what do you make of Sir Alex Ferguson? Is he worse than Laudrup? |
I beg to differ. If you note my post, it was in direct response to your citation of the Cup Final as evidence of his greatness. I did not say that he was a bad manager. My point was that even in that match which you chose to highlight there were plenty of hints of simmering discontent behind the scenes.
On Sir Alex, whatever he did to individuals, he was able to keep much of his dressing room and the rest of the club on his side. Laudrup evidently could not do so at Swansea, and perhaps elsewhere. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:48 - Feb 19 with 1368 views | Spratty |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 13:24 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Evidence? Oh we're talking about evidence are we. What evidence is there that Laudrup was *snigger* Abramovic's first choice? What evidence is there that Laudrup was only told by email that he was going? Interesting standards being applied here.
The truth about Tutu will likely come out in the wash sooner rather than later. However from what I know to be true, he acted completely disgracefully and used his position to make as much money as he possibly could with absolutely no consideration for what was best for Swansea City. He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did and certainly no authority to try and sell our club captain as part of one of those deals. If you or Laudrup can't see that then it's good that he's gone. |
"He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did"
Why would we allow him to make deals that he had no authority to make.
Ash to Liverpool - how could he try and sell Ash to pool? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Looking into a deal is v.different from making one
Surely our club would have rightfully sued him if he was trying to sell players illegally
Also I know it might make a better story for PRJ to slag Tutu and by inference ML off for refusing to deal with Huw. But as I recall it was Huw who refused to deal with him. I fully supported this but feel I would now like to know a little more of the actual story.
Why would Huw call Laudrup the most genuine and honest person you could meet (quite a strong statement when he need say nothing) if he thought he was complicit in shady dealings. Makes no sense whatsoever |  | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:51 - Feb 19 with 1356 views | Dull1Thomas |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:42 - Feb 19 by Yr_Arglwydd_Rhys |
I beg to differ. If you note my post, it was in direct response to your citation of the Cup Final as evidence of his greatness. I did not say that he was a bad manager. My point was that even in that match which you chose to highlight there were plenty of hints of simmering discontent behind the scenes.
On Sir Alex, whatever he did to individuals, he was able to keep much of his dressing room and the rest of the club on his side. Laudrup evidently could not do so at Swansea, and perhaps elsewhere. |
Man U borad backed SAF to the hilt, even to the point approaching relegation, but had the money to do so.
Gobby players were quickly moved on or had their pay checks increased to shut them up.
The quality they had in so many areas was such a player might find a two week injury lasting several until he knuckled down.
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:55 - Feb 19 with 1348 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 14:47 - Feb 19 by Dibaba |
"He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did"
But he brought in Michu, De Guzman, Chico, and Hernandez. Granted, he didn't bring in Ki, but that is 4 of those 5 players. How could he have done that unless he was given the authority to do so, especially as you have correctly observed, he doesn't own Swansea? [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 14:57]
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Tutu signed and sealed those deals? Proof please.
Maybe he was capable of working with people at the start of Laudrup's tenure before trying to get his hands across everything at the club afterwards. Maybe he acted so unprofessionally that the club had to cut all ties. No, couldn't be that. |  |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:57 - Feb 19 with 1346 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:42 - Feb 19 by Yr_Arglwydd_Rhys |
I beg to differ. If you note my post, it was in direct response to your citation of the Cup Final as evidence of his greatness. I did not say that he was a bad manager. My point was that even in that match which you chose to highlight there were plenty of hints of simmering discontent behind the scenes.
On Sir Alex, whatever he did to individuals, he was able to keep much of his dressing room and the rest of the club on his side. Laudrup evidently could not do so at Swansea, and perhaps elsewhere. |
Actually, I never at any point used the Cup Final as evidence of his "greatness." If a League Cup makes one "great" then Juande Ramos must be called great. I don't think Ramos is a bad manager, but not "great" either. I was saying that he was a very wanted manager, even by big clubs. And if there is any ounce of truth in all the press stories, and even statements by Laudrup himself, then we have no reason to doubt that.
Jenkins reportedly wanted 10 million pounds as his release clause. That would rule out most clubs except for the big ones, and it would probably rule out the likes of a "direct competitor" to Swansea. I doubt that Jenkins would have added such a clause unless there had been good reasons for believing he would be targeted by the big clubs. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 16:01 - Feb 19 with 1331 views | PozuelosSideys |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 16:02 - Feb 19 with 1330 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:48 - Feb 19 by Spratty |
"He had no authority to make even a quarter of the deals he did"
Why would we allow him to make deals that he had no authority to make.
Ash to Liverpool - how could he try and sell Ash to pool? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Looking into a deal is v.different from making one
Surely our club would have rightfully sued him if he was trying to sell players illegally
Also I know it might make a better story for PRJ to slag Tutu and by inference ML off for refusing to deal with Huw. But as I recall it was Huw who refused to deal with him. I fully supported this but feel I would now like to know a little more of the actual story.
Why would Huw call Laudrup the most genuine and honest person you could meet (quite a strong statement when he need say nothing) if he thought he was complicit in shady dealings. Makes no sense whatsoever |
Where did I mention Liverpool? Where did I say he agreed a deal with Liverpool. Who said the club allowed him to do any of this? From what I hear he just went off and did what he wanted and expected the club to just allow it to happen. He was no doubt asked by the club at times to make enquiries but that's a small thing when compared to the iceberg it became.
It's common knowledge Tutu overstretched his boundaries and threw a hissy fit when the club wouldn't allow him to feather his nest or commit the club to deals without their backing.
Jenkins backed his manager. What's so difficult to understand? Until of course he felt he couldn't.
The irony of course is that it's only the Laudrup fans who are defending anyone. It's pretty clear the club didn't handle the sacking all that well. However it's equally clear that Laudrup gave the club little choice with his reluctance to change a clearly unfit for purpose set of assistants, and seemingly was more concerned with his own public image than the future of SCFC ... a future he clearly thought he would not be part of. | |
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| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 16:03 - Feb 19 with 1326 views | Dibaba |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 15:55 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge |
Tutu signed and sealed those deals? Proof please.
Maybe he was capable of working with people at the start of Laudrup's tenure before trying to get his hands across everything at the club afterwards. Maybe he acted so unprofessionally that the club had to cut all ties. No, couldn't be that. |
Getting a signature and putting a seal on a contract doesn't take a lot of expertise. It is the initial and intermediate stages that take the most work. Who finalized the contracts is rather irrelevant. I doubt that Jenkins has much expertise in the Spanish market anyhow. How many players had they signed from Spain before the arrival of Laudrup? Rangel was reportedly discovered by Martinez, so Jenkins can't take a lot of credit there, especially as it's probably not a difficult proposition to sign a player from a lower league, especially with a Spanish manager. | | | |
| The Official Michael Laudrup Press Conference Day Thread on 16:04 - Feb 19 with 1319 views | Dull1Thomas |
However it's equally clear that Laudrup gave the club little choice with his reluctance to change a clearly unfit for purpose set of assistants"
I know this is 'common knowledge' but has it been officially announced as such?
Just wondering. | |
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