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Been reading the pre season threads without getting too much involved but with a week to go and excitement/fear building it's time to get stuck in.
One thing that really strikes me is a lot of us seem to be having trouble letting go of our modus operandi of the last few years. I've just read one thread where someone is demanding the purchase of 6 new players!! F**king ell. Has it really only taken a few years to become such spoilt brats? Have we really already forgotten Summer 'Spending' that involved the likes of solely free transfers like John Curtis (Jesus, remember him!?) and Zesh Rehman, or being in a celebratory daze when we some how managed to raise the 300k for Lee Camp just before The Money Men arrived?
We're fortunate enough to still have some dough so we don't have to go back to the old day's financial restrictions but maybe we should still appreciate that the days of demanding that we plug every perceived weakness in our squad with an instant satisfactory purchase are over, and good job an' all.
I wanted Clement for whatever reasons but now I'm well behind what we are trying to do. Long term plan means just that, it is not all about where we finish this year, more what type of squad we start to build ('start' being the operative word, these things take more than a few months/1 season), what type of football we install as a philosophy (at senior and academy levels), how we deal with and recover from the transition from being a club that had a higher wage bill than Champions League finalists losing near to a quarter of a billion pounds in 3 years to being one with a vastly reduced wage bill and transfer budget that is trying to claw back a few quid without the bottom totally falling out on the pitch, and generally what we put in place off the pitch to provide any chance of mid to long term 'success' - whatever your definition of that may be.
The club and the team is undergoing a massive transformation. We're lucky enough to be able to buy a few promising younger players (which in itself is well worth being grateful for) and hopefully in time that will turn into a squad ready to challenge for promotion and more importantly, as we should all now by know, have a decent shot at staying there without losing 70 million quid a season.
Patience Grasshoppers.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 18:31 - Aug 3 with 3139 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 17:52 - Aug 3 by stevec
I think I might cut out and frame this thread and come mid October, if we've taken another coshing and Ramsey out is echoing around the place, we'll see if you're all still singing from the same song sheet.
Logistically that may be a bit tricky but I see your point. I am happy to be enlightened. What do you think the club should be doing?
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 18:54 - Aug 3 with 3095 views
Personally as it stands, I think we will do well to finish north of the relegation places. I'd be delighted with mid table. We've got rid of a load of mercenaries and fame seekers, we've invested in young hungry players. We will no longer court the same kind of attention and publicity that the premier league and all its fanfare brings. I wouldn't be surprised if we won 3-0 or lost 3-0 on Saturday.
Personally, I cannot wait. I feel like the true supporters have our club back.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:33 - Aug 3 with 3027 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 18:43 - Aug 3 by oldmeadoniansR
Logistically that may be a bit tricky but I see your point. I am happy to be enlightened. What do you think the club should be doing?
Well I'll try and keep this brief. First off, there was enough of a decline in the second half of last season to suggest Ramsey needed replacing. His full time appointment was the stand out sign that the owners were not looking at a rebuild but the start of their exodus. Next, income including parachutes is sufficient in comparison to the rest of Championship to expect at least a challenge for a top six place and therefore the pursuit of players that reflect that expectation. To date, with league one and lower league Europeans coming in the playing staff tends to confirm the owners are giving up on the club. Finally, any plans for a new stadium and state of the art training facilities are very much dependent on us at least being the type of club whose aim is Premier League football. Everything in 2015 has suggested this has all but been given up on.
i applaud the glass half full approach from many on this board but I fear the direction of the club is less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. I hope to fck you are all right on this and I've misread the situation, guess we'll soon have something more substantial to base our beliefs.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:58 - Aug 3 with 2982 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:33 - Aug 3 by stevec
Well I'll try and keep this brief. First off, there was enough of a decline in the second half of last season to suggest Ramsey needed replacing. His full time appointment was the stand out sign that the owners were not looking at a rebuild but the start of their exodus. Next, income including parachutes is sufficient in comparison to the rest of Championship to expect at least a challenge for a top six place and therefore the pursuit of players that reflect that expectation. To date, with league one and lower league Europeans coming in the playing staff tends to confirm the owners are giving up on the club. Finally, any plans for a new stadium and state of the art training facilities are very much dependent on us at least being the type of club whose aim is Premier League football. Everything in 2015 has suggested this has all but been given up on.
i applaud the glass half full approach from many on this board but I fear the direction of the club is less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. I hope to fck you are all right on this and I've misread the situation, guess we'll soon have something more substantial to base our beliefs.
That's harsh calling it "less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. " Ferdinand and Ramsey are doing what the fans have wanted us to do over the last few seasons. There definitely seems to be a plan in place at the moment. TF and the previous managers have made a right mess of things so it's only right to go back to basics. I'm not sure what other options are left for us apart from throw more money at the problem.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 20:05 - Aug 3 with 2963 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:58 - Aug 3 by PunteR
That's harsh calling it "less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. " Ferdinand and Ramsey are doing what the fans have wanted us to do over the last few seasons. There definitely seems to be a plan in place at the moment. TF and the previous managers have made a right mess of things so it's only right to go back to basics. I'm not sure what other options are left for us apart from throw more money at the problem.
I wasn't referring to Les and Chris Ramsey in that context but the owners.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 21:07 - Aug 3 with 2875 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 20:05 - Aug 3 by stevec
I wasn't referring to Les and Chris Ramsey in that context but the owners.
Dereliction of duty could be applied to TF since he took over. He just goes with whatever manager he has in place. I think he's just going along with Ferdinand's ideas because he hasn't got a scooby doo what other strategy he can use. I think this new strategy is a combination of Ferdinand understanding whats gone wrong before,understanding the fans and the club , and the fact we have zero money because Warnock,Hughes and Redknap spent it all. I just feel Ferdinand and Ramsey need as much support as they can and patience because TF will sack them if results don't our way and he's a clueless buffoon when it comes to football. Not sure if im agreeing with you or not.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 21:28 - Aug 3 with 2831 views
Trouble is there isnt a transparent strategy,all we hear is "lessons learnt" "great set of players" "we go again" rhetoric. Yawn.
Why don't they say there is no more money, we are going to be in the championship for the foreseeable future until we completely rebuild the team and club structure.
They are hoping it is all going to gel and we magically get promoted they are too scared too say otherwise.
I would have liked a retention of all players with the plan of tearing up the division.
We have had a crap pre season defense is a shambles and probably the good players we have are going to go.
I'm all for the youth but I think with more organization we could have persuaded CA Et al to stay and mounted a serious challenge for at least the play offs.
I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool.
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 21:28 - Aug 3 by Bushman
Trouble is there isnt a transparent strategy,all we hear is "lessons learnt" "great set of players" "we go again" rhetoric. Yawn.
Why don't they say there is no more money, we are going to be in the championship for the foreseeable future until we completely rebuild the team and club structure.
They are hoping it is all going to gel and we magically get promoted they are too scared too say otherwise.
I would have liked a retention of all players with the plan of tearing up the division.
We have had a crap pre season defense is a shambles and probably the good players we have are going to go.
I'm all for the youth but I think with more organization we could have persuaded CA Et al to stay and mounted a serious challenge for at least the play offs.
The problem with mounting a serious challenge for a play off place is we might get promoted.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 21:38 - Aug 3 with 2798 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:33 - Aug 3 by stevec
Well I'll try and keep this brief. First off, there was enough of a decline in the second half of last season to suggest Ramsey needed replacing. His full time appointment was the stand out sign that the owners were not looking at a rebuild but the start of their exodus. Next, income including parachutes is sufficient in comparison to the rest of Championship to expect at least a challenge for a top six place and therefore the pursuit of players that reflect that expectation. To date, with league one and lower league Europeans coming in the playing staff tends to confirm the owners are giving up on the club. Finally, any plans for a new stadium and state of the art training facilities are very much dependent on us at least being the type of club whose aim is Premier League football. Everything in 2015 has suggested this has all but been given up on.
i applaud the glass half full approach from many on this board but I fear the direction of the club is less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. I hope to fck you are all right on this and I've misread the situation, guess we'll soon have something more substantial to base our beliefs.
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:00 - Aug 3 with 2746 views
Although I can see the argument that this new idea to spend less and bring in more money is a sign of the owners giving up but it's also a sign they are going to back someone with a long term plan this time rather than a plan for the next few days as they did with Redknapp and Hughes and to a lesser degree Warnock as well.
For me the club had three options this summer.
1 - Spend again, have a real punt at promotion so if we lose Austin replace him with Rhodes, keep hold of the big earners and to hell with FFP. The ramifications of this working or not working would be a certain massive fine for the last season in this league and this one as well. The football league and the clubs would be going all out to get us and that whole relegate to the conference thing would be more a reality next time than it ever was this summer. Spending a fortune again also provides very little certainty that we'd actually get promoted.
2 - Fire sale, get rid of everyone and don't replace them, take another relegation, sell up and leave us in a whole pile of shit as we slip down the divisions and pray for another Holloway.
3 - This is the one we picked. Release all the big earners out of contract even if you want to keep some of them. Accept any offers for the high earners in contract that take the wages off our hands. If we can sell great if not take the loan option as long as we are getting the money, Sign up the best of lower league players and try and find a few bargains abroad in the European market. Don't spend big on them so if they fail we've not lost a fortune. Show willing with FFP in that we are trying to get our finances in order and the days of over spending are over. if we get the chance give our own kids a chance for the odd game or a run in the side, this will send a message out that kids get a chance at QPR and will help attract better kids at the 14/17 year old level which will help the club going forward.
Now option three is the hardest one that requires the most work and the most patience and I am delighted thats what we are trying. It might mean we start the season weak in some areas but doing things the other way has always seen us 2/3 players short despite buying loads and spending loads so at least this way we're not bankrupting ourselves.
It may well fail and I've no idea if Ramsey is the right man to coach the team but to me it looks like Ferdinand is the actual manager here and Ramsey is the Peter Taylor with Les in the Brian Clough role overseeing it all. A modern take on a traditional way of managing in this country. I really hope it works and it's the last chance we have of getting back the QPR of the 80's and 90's that can compete in the top two divisions.
if this fails I really don't know what happens next.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:33 - Aug 3 with 2672 views
Whew, this thread takes a lot of reading and digestion of other posters thoughts,I can say that I cant remember a time when I've felt less enthusiastic about the season starting. I no longer share other posters enthusiasm about this Saturdays game and the season kicking off again, I wrote at the end of last season that I was throwing the towel in and giving up on football, not QPR FC but football itself and its obsession with all things Premier league. I wasn't going to renew my ST and I didn't, I actually phoned the club to get a membership up and running but I didn't even bother doing that after speaking to the bloke in the box office. Its been Months since the season finished, but I thought and probably believed that in my heart of hearts I'd be back this Saturday on my way to the anoracks ground but It aint happening.
Never thought it would happen but I really don't like football any-more, I detest reading about that manc manager ( go and waste a few more million you cnt) and the god forsaken boring spats between mourino and wenger and man titty's obsession with spending disgusting amounts of money on human beings who are so-so at kicking a fcking football about. Top four bastards.
I've got a huge amount of affection for the club who first let me stand behind the goal in the Loft way back in 1958 to watch us lose, I'll never lose that, Years and Years of continually driving up to LR after work on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon or on a Friday evening or whenever or what ever fcking television company that now runs football says the kick off time should be, it all means nothing to me now.
I'll catch a few games when and where but I'm not planning for It, I'll be following the club now from a distance, I wish the club every success .
Did I tell you about the time driving home from Sunderland's ground after an evening game in an Escort van, 4 of us and one of them a bloody Sunderland fan too, 5 bleeding hours in a stinky Escort van, those were the days, they really were.
My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:45 - Aug 3 with 2646 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 19:58 - Aug 3 by PunteR
That's harsh calling it "less a new strategy, more a dereliction of duty. " Ferdinand and Ramsey are doing what the fans have wanted us to do over the last few seasons. There definitely seems to be a plan in place at the moment. TF and the previous managers have made a right mess of things so it's only right to go back to basics. I'm not sure what other options are left for us apart from throw more money at the problem.
LF and CR have a mandate to go back to basics and try to fashion a new ethos and style on a tight budget. But that ties in conveniently with what I believe is the higher purpose here for the owners, namely to claw back as much of their loses as possible. I seriously doubt we will ever see any of TF's grand schemes come to fruition.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:53 - Aug 3 with 2630 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:45 - Aug 3 by SimonJames
LF and CR have a mandate to go back to basics and try to fashion a new ethos and style on a tight budget. But that ties in conveniently with what I believe is the higher purpose here for the owners, namely to claw back as much of their loses as possible. I seriously doubt we will ever see any of TF's grand schemes come to fruition.
Maybe, but is clawing back their losses a bad thing for QPR?
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 23:05 - Aug 3 with 2538 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:53 - Aug 3 by PunteR
Maybe, but is clawing back their losses a bad thing for QPR?
I guess that depends on how short term a view they take. Of course they should be able to gradually get back some of their costs. But not all of it - there has to be a "stupidity tax" for some of the daft & costly decisions TF & co. have made.
100% of people who drink water will die.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 23:13 - Aug 3 with 2528 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 23:05 - Aug 3 by SimonJames
I guess that depends on how short term a view they take. Of course they should be able to gradually get back some of their costs. But not all of it - there has to be a "stupidity tax" for some of the daft & costly decisions TF & co. have made.
I think some of that "stupidity tax" needs to go to Ted Hendrix's fizzy pop fund..
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 23:22 - Aug 3 with 2516 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:33 - Aug 3 by ted_hendrix
Whew, this thread takes a lot of reading and digestion of other posters thoughts,I can say that I cant remember a time when I've felt less enthusiastic about the season starting. I no longer share other posters enthusiasm about this Saturdays game and the season kicking off again, I wrote at the end of last season that I was throwing the towel in and giving up on football, not QPR FC but football itself and its obsession with all things Premier league. I wasn't going to renew my ST and I didn't, I actually phoned the club to get a membership up and running but I didn't even bother doing that after speaking to the bloke in the box office. Its been Months since the season finished, but I thought and probably believed that in my heart of hearts I'd be back this Saturday on my way to the anoracks ground but It aint happening.
Never thought it would happen but I really don't like football any-more, I detest reading about that manc manager ( go and waste a few more million you cnt) and the god forsaken boring spats between mourino and wenger and man titty's obsession with spending disgusting amounts of money on human beings who are so-so at kicking a fcking football about. Top four bastards.
I've got a huge amount of affection for the club who first let me stand behind the goal in the Loft way back in 1958 to watch us lose, I'll never lose that, Years and Years of continually driving up to LR after work on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon or on a Friday evening or whenever or what ever fcking television company that now runs football says the kick off time should be, it all means nothing to me now.
I'll catch a few games when and where but I'm not planning for It, I'll be following the club now from a distance, I wish the club every success .
Did I tell you about the time driving home from Sunderland's ground after an evening game in an Escort van, 4 of us and one of them a bloody Sunderland fan too, 5 bleeding hours in a stinky Escort van, those were the days, they really were.
Ted, I know exactly where you're coming from, and I agree with everything you've said, But, I don't care about the premier league, I don't care about the top four and who's going to miss out on Europe. I really don't care about sky. Or bt sport. Don't care about the amount of Money Rooney earns. Or that Ronaldo's bought his agent an island ffs. I don't care that a couple of managers didn't shake hands. I don't care for all the nonsense that surrounds and suffocates the game. I DO care about my club however. Whilst I understand your frustration, and share all of them, I refuse to let that lot ruin what I have in supporting the R's. Too many memories, too many good times as well as disappointments to let the b'stards ruin it for me. So I'll put up with the ever changing fixture schedule and the ridiculous kick off times, and the equally ridiculous players wages and egos. I'll put up with all the sht that goes with being a football fan because as stupid as it is, QPR are a big part of my life and take up more of my thoughts than is healthy in all honesty. I can't give it up. Life is too short to deny yourself pleasure wherever you find it. Ted, I hope you come back one day. I hope it's soon.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 23:58 - Aug 3 with 2465 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 15:40 - Aug 3 by Northernr
Top post and steals the thunder from the Charlton match preview somewhat. Some of the posts on here and on Twitter I've found really surprising. People going at Fernandes yesterday asking why we're not going for Dwight Gayle like Fulham are, writing off Polter already after two friendlies.
I wonder if we talk a good game. It's something I've thought since Darnell Furlong's three games last year where the sdame people who used to slag Redknapp off for putting square pegs in round holes, never picking a youth teamer, were suddenly saying "well I wouldn't have started Furlong" and saying Karl bloody Henry should have played left back. Similarly there are still people who say our big problem last year was failure to strengthen in January, as if Redknapp had shown in any of his previous transfer windows that letting him add another 6 players would have improved things at all.
If you want the club to be run sensibly and sustainably, buying and scouting players from lower divisions, working on and promoting our youth players, playing a more attractive brand of football, getting the average age of the squad down then you've got your wish because that's what they're doing. But you can't do that in a couple of months, it might take us months or all year to get the squad into this new shape. Strikes me that people's patience isn't going to stretch much further than the Wolves game if we don't win two of the first three.
I'm pretty sure everyone's ideal situation would be to have the club run sensibly and sustainably. Bringing through youth and signing lower league rough diamonds fits in with our stature and history. Despite some disagreement on here, I'm actually fairly confident that the club know what the want to do for the rest of the transfer window and it probably will include signing one or 2 more defenders. I personally think we do need to make signings, but I hope that once balance is achieved we have less of a turnover of players and don't need to have debates about signing 8 or 9 players in the summer
Chris and Les seem pragmatic enough to make the right decision as to whether we need to spend a bit on certain positions or whether we have sufficient quality to achieve the club's targets for the season. Either way I back them fully
[Post edited 4 Aug 2015 0:09]
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 00:22 - Aug 4 with 2432 views
I really wish LF and CR all the best and I hear good things about yesterday BUT regardless of the amount of money at their disposal there is no excuse for the shambolic pre season and the fact that there isn't a settled back 4 who have been working together and are ready for Saturday.
We could have kept Dunne & Caulker.
I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 08:54 - Aug 4 with 2345 views
The problem with trying to " build for the future" is that if you are succesfull in that aim and you actually do unearth a couple of decent players that start the rebuilding. Then in this " must have it now" world that we live in, an Everton or a Southampton swoop and offer your exciting players 40-50 k a week and hay presto you are back to square one the rebuilding. The danger then is that you end up on a merry go round of rebuilding only to get knocked down again over and over. Thus you, atm best stand still and never get the chance to achieve any real success. As a fan, the idea of "doing it the right wat" is a noble thought. But unfortunately as an owner, the only place to be to make any mokney from the game is the Premiership. And I dont see us heading back there any time soon.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 09:14 - Aug 4 with 2331 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 22:00 - Aug 3 by daveB
Although I can see the argument that this new idea to spend less and bring in more money is a sign of the owners giving up but it's also a sign they are going to back someone with a long term plan this time rather than a plan for the next few days as they did with Redknapp and Hughes and to a lesser degree Warnock as well.
For me the club had three options this summer.
1 - Spend again, have a real punt at promotion so if we lose Austin replace him with Rhodes, keep hold of the big earners and to hell with FFP. The ramifications of this working or not working would be a certain massive fine for the last season in this league and this one as well. The football league and the clubs would be going all out to get us and that whole relegate to the conference thing would be more a reality next time than it ever was this summer. Spending a fortune again also provides very little certainty that we'd actually get promoted.
2 - Fire sale, get rid of everyone and don't replace them, take another relegation, sell up and leave us in a whole pile of shit as we slip down the divisions and pray for another Holloway.
3 - This is the one we picked. Release all the big earners out of contract even if you want to keep some of them. Accept any offers for the high earners in contract that take the wages off our hands. If we can sell great if not take the loan option as long as we are getting the money, Sign up the best of lower league players and try and find a few bargains abroad in the European market. Don't spend big on them so if they fail we've not lost a fortune. Show willing with FFP in that we are trying to get our finances in order and the days of over spending are over. if we get the chance give our own kids a chance for the odd game or a run in the side, this will send a message out that kids get a chance at QPR and will help attract better kids at the 14/17 year old level which will help the club going forward.
Now option three is the hardest one that requires the most work and the most patience and I am delighted thats what we are trying. It might mean we start the season weak in some areas but doing things the other way has always seen us 2/3 players short despite buying loads and spending loads so at least this way we're not bankrupting ourselves.
It may well fail and I've no idea if Ramsey is the right man to coach the team but to me it looks like Ferdinand is the actual manager here and Ramsey is the Peter Taylor with Les in the Brian Clough role overseeing it all. A modern take on a traditional way of managing in this country. I really hope it works and it's the last chance we have of getting back the QPR of the 80's and 90's that can compete in the top two divisions.
if this fails I really don't know what happens next.
blimey dave, seeing les and ramsey in the same mode as cloughie and taylor has me checking for shanks and bigfoot credentials against chris difford and glenn tillbrook.
You're sweet like chocolate, les You're sweet like chocolate, chris You bring me so much joys You're sweet like chocolate, boys
farkin hell !
[Post edited 4 Aug 2015 9:25]
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 09:29 - Aug 4 with 2301 views
Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 16:48 - Aug 3 by Northernr
I don't think it is. He picked Furlong because we had nobody else through injuries and suspensions. It had been said for ages that in such situations we should pick a youth teamer and yet when it happened people said Karl Henry should have played there.
And yeh I think the whole "should have bought a striker in January" stuff is rubbish too. We had one, Vargas, who he never picked up front. The previous January we let Redknappgo out and add three strikers, and he brought in Doyle, Maiga and Will Keane. Charlie Austin was a great signing, other than that every time we went into the transfer market with Redknapp looking for a striker we bought a fcking dog. Two years previous he'd gone out in the January transfer market to save us and came back with Chris Samba, Loic Remy, Jermane Jenas and Andros Townsend - the four of them cost us a mint, only two of them were any good, and we went down anyway regardless with results barely improving after they arrived. Why on earth would letting him do that again have yielded a different result?
Our transfers under successive managers with a handful of notable exceptions - Austin, Phillips, Dunne - have merely raised our wage bill and lumbered us with poor players that we then struggle to move on. Why the solution to this is 'buy more players' I don't quite understand.
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I think to play Furlong at Palace was justifiable but to play SWP in front of him was criminal. Recipe for disaster and that's not hindsight talking.
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Trouble adjusting to the new Rangers on 09:29 - Aug 4 with 2300 views
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