| The five subs thing 13:24 - Aug 6 with 5167 views | Northernr |
Prem vote to reject it and return to three. Chelsea etc voted for, of course.
Hopefully EFL do the same. |  | | |  |
| The five subs thing on 11:58 - Aug 7 with 1533 views | PinnerPaul |
| The five subs thing on 15:05 - Aug 6 by Watford_Ranger |
What happened to the rule about leaving the field at the closest point rather than trudging off slowly to the halfway line even when there are no fans? Did I imagine it? |
Actually law is worded so its still really down to the referee - so we can all blame him/her - again! |  | | |
| The five subs thing on 14:52 - Aug 7 with 1464 views | francisbowles |
| The five subs thing on 11:58 - Aug 7 by PinnerPaul |
Actually law is worded so its still really down to the referee - so we can all blame him/her - again! |
Thing is if the player starts walking in one direction, it is unlikely to speed things up if you then stop him and explain that he has to go in a different direction. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 13:38 - Aug 9 with 1379 views | Paddyhoops |
Not surprised Chelsea voted for it. At least that way they cut down on the 376 players they have out on loan. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:05 - Nov 18 with 1147 views | rsonist |
Back in from Friday with a clear majority of clubs said to be in favour. |  | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:08 - Nov 18 with 1138 views | Northernr |
As if football isn't sht enough at the moment. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:12 - Nov 18 with 1130 views | rsonist |
| The five subs thing on 11:08 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
As if football isn't sht enough at the moment. |
It's not ideal for games but you can hardly deny players are dropping like flies. Common sense was clouded by rich club conspiracy theory partisan politics.
I was right upthread and I'm right now :) | | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:18 - Nov 18 with 1108 views | Northernr |
| The five subs thing on 11:12 - Nov 18 by rsonist |
It's not ideal for games but you can hardly deny players are dropping like flies. Common sense was clouded by rich club conspiracy theory partisan politics.
I was right upthread and I'm right now :) |
Players are dropping like flies because football did its usual football thing, took no notice of the reality of the situation, and ploughed on motivated by money from broadcast and sponsors.
It is ridiculous that we're trying to cram a normal season into less time. We didn't need a League Cup this year, we didn't need an EFL trophy this year, I'm not convinced we should be having an FA Cup this year, and we certainly shouldn't be having three international matches in each break, especially when some of them are chuffing friendlies. The schedule, as a result, is ridiculous. Our fixtures from this Saturday through to January are a joke. Of course players are getting injured.
Five subs is going to damage an already vastly substandard product still further for minimal gain, it's a sticking plaster for a problem that should have been fcking obvious three months ago. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:20 - Nov 18 with 1102 views | rsonist |
| The five subs thing on 17:15 - Aug 6 by Antti_Heinola |
In one sense you're right - might allow a good coach to give some youngsters more 'minutes' anfd develop them a little beter/quicker than he might have before.
In another sense, this is about ahem, 'winning football matches'. What extra subs does is allow a bigger side like, say, City, huge 'second chances' in games that are going badly. We're losing to Palace, but it's ok, we've got 5 players who would walk into every other side in the division bar the top couple we can throw on - while Hodgson looks round and sees connor Wickham.
It's 11 v 11. Allowing two subs in the 80s and then 3 was fine. More than that is a mockery of the game imo. It just allows the teeniest of level playing fields between the very richest clubs and the rest. |
To revisit - this only works when you purposefully distort it as youngsters "getting minutes" versus senior internationals "winning football matches", which is to say ignoring the possibility of young players being able to affect games under a good coach.
I'm not saying the upshot won't likely ultimately be beneficial to big clubs on the balance of it (or be disruptive to the flow of games) but that's really not set in stone and the other factors temporarily in play are more important. | | | |
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| The five subs thing on 11:22 - Nov 18 with 1095 views | rsonist |
| The five subs thing on 11:18 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Players are dropping like flies because football did its usual football thing, took no notice of the reality of the situation, and ploughed on motivated by money from broadcast and sponsors.
It is ridiculous that we're trying to cram a normal season into less time. We didn't need a League Cup this year, we didn't need an EFL trophy this year, I'm not convinced we should be having an FA Cup this year, and we certainly shouldn't be having three international matches in each break, especially when some of them are chuffing friendlies. The schedule, as a result, is ridiculous. Our fixtures from this Saturday through to January are a joke. Of course players are getting injured.
Five subs is going to damage an already vastly substandard product still further for minimal gain, it's a sticking plaster for a problem that should have been fcking obvious three months ago. |
Agreed, but they were never going to do it. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:34 - Nov 18 with 1073 views | daveB |
| The five subs thing on 11:12 - Nov 18 by rsonist |
It's not ideal for games but you can hardly deny players are dropping like flies. Common sense was clouded by rich club conspiracy theory partisan politics.
I was right upthread and I'm right now :) |
Last set of games Guardiola complained about this despite only using 1 sub in the game anyway. It's complete nonsense. Having 2 extra subs won't stop players getting injured |  | | |
| The five subs thing on 11:34 - Nov 18 with 1074 views | rsonist |
| The five subs thing on 11:20 - Nov 18 by rsonist |
To revisit - this only works when you purposefully distort it as youngsters "getting minutes" versus senior internationals "winning football matches", which is to say ignoring the possibility of young players being able to affect games under a good coach.
I'm not saying the upshot won't likely ultimately be beneficial to big clubs on the balance of it (or be disruptive to the flow of games) but that's really not set in stone and the other factors temporarily in play are more important. |
Also with Liverpool and City in mind big clubs would have some justification in arguing they are hardest hit by injury and absence.
Really there's seniority across most squads at this level and it's not until you get down to League 1 (and not always by a long shot) where a few injuries might leave you looking at blooding properly raw youngsters. And outside of this situation that's something people have been campaigning for reform towards mostly. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 13:36 - Nov 18 with 975 views | TheChef |
| The five subs thing on 11:18 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Players are dropping like flies because football did its usual football thing, took no notice of the reality of the situation, and ploughed on motivated by money from broadcast and sponsors.
It is ridiculous that we're trying to cram a normal season into less time. We didn't need a League Cup this year, we didn't need an EFL trophy this year, I'm not convinced we should be having an FA Cup this year, and we certainly shouldn't be having three international matches in each break, especially when some of them are chuffing friendlies. The schedule, as a result, is ridiculous. Our fixtures from this Saturday through to January are a joke. Of course players are getting injured.
Five subs is going to damage an already vastly substandard product still further for minimal gain, it's a sticking plaster for a problem that should have been fcking obvious three months ago. |
My initial reaction was oh here we go, another bl00dy change to the game we love.
But I suppose it should help players and coaches currently given the number of games being shoehorned in.
Of course when we get back to normal or whatever it is, let's see how quickly it reverts to three subs. |  |
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| The five subs thing on 14:02 - Nov 18 with 944 views | Mick_S |
I'm going to get cross before anything has happened. 10 subs in a match with six of them in the last 5 minutes/injury time. Let it flow, baby. |  |
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| The five subs thing on 14:15 - Nov 18 with 918 views | PinnerPaul |
| The five subs thing on 11:18 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Players are dropping like flies because football did its usual football thing, took no notice of the reality of the situation, and ploughed on motivated by money from broadcast and sponsors.
It is ridiculous that we're trying to cram a normal season into less time. We didn't need a League Cup this year, we didn't need an EFL trophy this year, I'm not convinced we should be having an FA Cup this year, and we certainly shouldn't be having three international matches in each break, especially when some of them are chuffing friendlies. The schedule, as a result, is ridiculous. Our fixtures from this Saturday through to January are a joke. Of course players are getting injured.
Five subs is going to damage an already vastly substandard product still further for minimal gain, it's a sticking plaster for a problem that should have been fcking obvious three months ago. |
This may sound a stupid question, but interested as to why you use the words 'damaged'?
Yes a bit more delay - but not madly so - as I assume they will limit the 5 to be made in no more than 3 occasions as previously?
Surely its the same principle as allowing an extra sub in extra time?
Yes old gits like me remember the 75/76 side as having only 1 sub, not always used and maybe 15? players used during the whole season, but pace of game and yes, you're right, number of games being played means that this will help clubs, including ours get through with less injuries.
We are where we are and certainly two of your suggestions would seem to have been easy fixes - No EFL Cup and no friendlies, but given that's not happening then isn't this making the best of a bad job? | | | |
| The five subs thing on 14:19 - Nov 18 with 910 views | Northernr |
| The five subs thing on 14:15 - Nov 18 by PinnerPaul |
This may sound a stupid question, but interested as to why you use the words 'damaged'?
Yes a bit more delay - but not madly so - as I assume they will limit the 5 to be made in no more than 3 occasions as previously?
Surely its the same principle as allowing an extra sub in extra time?
Yes old gits like me remember the 75/76 side as having only 1 sub, not always used and maybe 15? players used during the whole season, but pace of game and yes, you're right, number of games being played means that this will help clubs, including ours get through with less injuries.
We are where we are and certainly two of your suggestions would seem to have been easy fixes - No EFL Cup and no friendlies, but given that's not happening then isn't this making the best of a bad job? |
Because the more changes there are, the more disrupted and slow the game becomes. There are rules to protect against it, like one of the changes has to come at half time, and you can only make them in three batches still, but changes still disrupt the game, players often take time to get into the pace of the game. It's there for all to see in every friendly you watch, it was there for us all to see in the summer matches. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 14:46 - Nov 18 with 881 views | kensalriser |
Isn’t this as much down to losing players to self isolation as injuries? |  |
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| The five subs thing on 14:58 - Nov 18 with 857 views | francisbowles |
So you have outplayed a Bournemouth or Watford and are leading 2-0 at ht. They then make four changes, from their stronger squad, for the second half and have almost half an extra team of fresh legs on the pitch and still one sub in case of injury or to throw on later if they are still behind,
Going to be very difficult getting anything from the bigger clubs. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 15:10 - Nov 18 with 850 views | francisbowles |
Another potential argument against the 5 subs rule is that we loaned several players out. If we had known that this rule was to be in place maybe we would have kept more of them here. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 15:31 - Nov 18 with 813 views | Juzzie |
I have no problem with having a zillion subs on the bench, just as long as no more than 3 can be subbed per game.
This way you can still have a decent squad on match day taking into account suspensions, injuries, self isolation, hair and tattoo appointments, fashion shoots, court appearances etc....
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| The five subs thing on 16:05 - Nov 18 with 768 views | PinnerPaul |
| The five subs thing on 14:19 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Because the more changes there are, the more disrupted and slow the game becomes. There are rules to protect against it, like one of the changes has to come at half time, and you can only make them in three batches still, but changes still disrupt the game, players often take time to get into the pace of the game. It's there for all to see in every friendly you watch, it was there for us all to see in the summer matches. |
Fair enough | | | |
| The five subs thing on 16:37 - Nov 18 with 738 views | nightwish |
Isnt it strange how cramp only happens to players that are in a team thats winning at the time.Dosnt happen to players in a losing team | | | |
| The five subs thing on 16:38 - Nov 18 with 733 views | Northernr |
| The five subs thing on 16:37 - Nov 18 by nightwish |
Isnt it strange how cramp only happens to players that are in a team thats winning at the time.Dosnt happen to players in a losing team |
'Preston cramp'. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 17:01 - Nov 18 with 707 views | PinnerPaul |
EFL have confirmed this will be in place from Friday. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 17:46 - Nov 18 with 672 views | SK_hoops |
It's a slippery slope. Top teams may wait until everyone is used to it and try and push for it in post covid times. | | | |
| The five subs thing on 18:14 - Nov 18 with 637 views | HAYESBOY |
Isn't it 5 subs but just 3 times you can use the 5 subs? |  |
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