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"but why start to tell me and wind me up" - because, sadly, people get a kick out of that sort of stuff.
Surely he shouldn't even be siding up to people he doesn't know are start telling them internal company matters? It's unprofessional at best and probably contravening business policy at worst.
I wouldn't, for example, be allowed to tell anyone if my company has just made a big business decision. In fact, I knew last year (just a few days before it was publicly announced) that we had acquired the publishing rights to Bob Dylan's entire catalogue. had I put that on facebook before it was made public I would have been sacked. Simple as.
One of the famous stories from the Paladini era, although hasn't been brought up in this convo yet, is him calling Sousa a "c**t" to a group of fans outside of Pride Park ahead of an away game against Derby.
This one I can verify as being 100% true, because me & my Dad were in that group of fans he said it to, despite the fact his fanboys tried to brush it off or declare it never happened.
We won that game 2-0 as well. I'd like to have known what Sousa might have been able to do with more time, he's had a decent managerial career since.
One of the famous stories from the Paladini era, although hasn't been brought up in this convo yet, is him calling Sousa a "c**t" to a group of fans outside of Pride Park ahead of an away game against Derby.
This one I can verify as being 100% true, because me & my Dad were in that group of fans he said it to, despite the fact his fanboys tried to brush it off or declare it never happened.
We won that game 2-0 as well. I'd like to have known what Sousa might have been able to do with more time, he's had a decent managerial career since.
Yeah would have been interesting with Sousa. Very surprised Vine mentioned him in the interview as one of the best managers he played under and he'd only played for his team a couple of times. Think Hogan spoke very well of Sousa as a manager as well but as Paladini didn't like it, it was never going to end well.
In terms of the interview, Vine reminded me of some of my old mates when we were early 20s. Playing football every Sunday and going on weekends away - Drink, "bantz" and repeat. Diference is he hasn't grown up or changed - still with the same mindset and way of acting but he's in his 30s. I found it all a bit embarrassing. He was a good player though and on the left side of attacking 3, he was lethal.
Yeah would have been interesting with Sousa. Very surprised Vine mentioned him in the interview as one of the best managers he played under and he'd only played for his team a couple of times. Think Hogan spoke very well of Sousa as a manager as well but as Paladini didn't like it, it was never going to end well.
In terms of the interview, Vine reminded me of some of my old mates when we were early 20s. Playing football every Sunday and going on weekends away - Drink, "bantz" and repeat. Diference is he hasn't grown up or changed - still with the same mindset and way of acting but he's in his 30s. I found it all a bit embarrassing. He was a good player though and on the left side of attacking 3, he was lethal.
Yeh I managed to get through the rest of it on my run yesterday. Hard work. Just an endless stream of stories about how he couldn't really understand why West Ham's Jimmy Walker might not find it hilarious that he walks up to him in a restaurant, downs his drink and then vomits it back up on his plate; or why Liam Lawrence might object to being on a night out and getting his shirt ripped open; or why Mikele Leigertwood, eight months out with an ACL, would just walk off and go home after Vine deliberately two foots him in the bar area of a nightclub.
Takes all sorts to make a world I guess, I might not be your sort of person, but these lads lads lads who think they've got absolutely off the scale banter, and that having off the scale banter is a desirable thing, really ain't for me.
A lot of it was actually quite sad, he obviously loved playing football, and was very good at it, and had that taken away by a team mate in training, and was then treated badly by QPR. Whatever he said about being over it, and happy, and never having addiction problems... he said the words, but he didn't seem to believe them himself. Did Parkin and Brown say in the intro/outro he'd gone through 15 Peronis during the interview? That's LFW Saturday levels of drinking to forget. Saddest part of it for me was the 'boast' that one Christmas he'd done six Christmas parties in London, including arranging the Coventry City one, all for clubs he didn't play for.
Paladini and his merry band of brown nosers were wrong ‘uns from the off. I remember at Cov away under Dowie (which I think Swiss gave me a lift up to) getting into an argument with someone in the away end about Paladini and Briatore. I cannot understand how anyone defended them at the time. It was clear there were narcissists, if not psychopaths, and not good for QPR.
We were promoted in spite of them, thanks to Warnock and Amit Bhatia.
Have absolutely no time for this narrative that Paladini was a well meaning fool. He wasn’t. He was a horrible, lying, manipulative, narcissist. As were some of those “fans” he had kneeling at his feet. Nowhere to be seen now are they...
Nailed it.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Oh, and they've obviously chopped a huge chunk out about Warnock in part two. It goes from Vine's been called in for a meeting with Warnock who says he rates him and wants him to play, to Parky and Brown saying they think Warnock's a legend, to Vine going off on one of his "well this is my truth and I don't care what anybody else says it's my truth that I believe and nobody can take that away from me" and then the timeline skips about 18 months into the future.
Oh, and they've obviously chopped a huge chunk out about Warnock in part two. It goes from Vine's been called in for a meeting with Warnock who says he rates him and wants him to play, to Parky and Brown saying they think Warnock's a legend, to Vine going off on one of his "well this is my truth and I don't care what anybody else says it's my truth that I believe and nobody can take that away from me" and then the timeline skips about 18 months into the future.
They do mention they cut loads of it out for legal reasons to be fair.
Warnock can be quite litigious against vague claims too, remember Puncheon?
Paladini and his merry band of brown nosers were wrong ‘uns from the off. I remember at Cov away under Dowie (which I think Swiss gave me a lift up to) getting into an argument with someone in the away end about Paladini and Briatore. I cannot understand how anyone defended them at the time. It was clear there were narcissists, if not psychopaths, and not good for QPR.
We were promoted in spite of them, thanks to Warnock and Amit Bhatia.
Have absolutely no time for this narrative that Paladini was a well meaning fool. He wasn’t. He was a horrible, lying, manipulative, narcissist. As were some of those “fans” he had kneeling at his feet. Nowhere to be seen now are they...
Paladini really is an odd one - can't pin him down. I was starting to think he was a bit of an incompetent but ultimately had his heart in the right place. But then you read these other stories and wonder if there was a more unpleasant/vindictive side to him.
My feeling currently is he got quite a kind edit in The Four Year Plan.
One of my good mates - a Rangers fan - was involved in some of the legal side of the club in the Paladini era and has stories to make your hair curl. Still liked Paladini as a person though
Yeh I managed to get through the rest of it on my run yesterday. Hard work. Just an endless stream of stories about how he couldn't really understand why West Ham's Jimmy Walker might not find it hilarious that he walks up to him in a restaurant, downs his drink and then vomits it back up on his plate; or why Liam Lawrence might object to being on a night out and getting his shirt ripped open; or why Mikele Leigertwood, eight months out with an ACL, would just walk off and go home after Vine deliberately two foots him in the bar area of a nightclub.
Takes all sorts to make a world I guess, I might not be your sort of person, but these lads lads lads who think they've got absolutely off the scale banter, and that having off the scale banter is a desirable thing, really ain't for me.
A lot of it was actually quite sad, he obviously loved playing football, and was very good at it, and had that taken away by a team mate in training, and was then treated badly by QPR. Whatever he said about being over it, and happy, and never having addiction problems... he said the words, but he didn't seem to believe them himself. Did Parkin and Brown say in the intro/outro he'd gone through 15 Peronis during the interview? That's LFW Saturday levels of drinking to forget. Saddest part of it for me was the 'boast' that one Christmas he'd done six Christmas parties in London, including arranging the Coventry City one, all for clubs he didn't play for.
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Seems in football for every Marcus Rashford there’s a dozen Rowan Vines.
Prefer to love the club and know as little about the individuals as possible. These type of interviews, allowing the fool concerned to slowly hang himself out to dry, are quite depressing.
One of my good mates - a Rangers fan - was involved in some of the legal side of the club in the Paladini era and has stories to make your hair curl. Still liked Paladini as a person though
Psychopaths are often charming; it’s a trait they learn. If I remember correctly, ‘being charming but lacks consideration for others’ is part of the Bob Hare test too.
RV says he had a run in with Keith Curle during their playing days
Who was NW's No 2?
Had a look at this and it might have been when Curle was winding down his career with Mansfield and Vine was just starting out on loan at Brentford in L1 from Portsmouth in 2002. Vine was sent off in the 90th minute of a game just after Christmas at Griffin Park, might have been this.
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