| Weak Link? 09:29 - Aug 6 with 5251 views | Myke |
So once again fulfilling my role as a miserable old git and damping down expectations before KO. Who in your opinion might not live up to our hopes and expectations this season? I'm going for Seny. Never played in front of the home crowd before. Had got to 25 without ever being considered for the 1st team Prone to some errors that went under the radar last season. Already showing a moment of rashness (penalty v Leicester) and poor positional play (beaten at near post v Leicester. Probably (hopefully) completely wrong,but he is the one I would be most concerned about. Especially as (despite all our GK's) we have nobody immediately ready to step in to replace him, unlike all our other players and because Warburton seems to have a little blind spot for him (sticking him back in v Norwich when not fully fit for example ) which could prove detrimental in the long run. |  | | |  |
| Weak Link? on 13:21 - Aug 6 with 1024 views | simmo |
There is a *little*, tiny, slither of inconsitency with Seny that's kicked in towards the end of last season. He wasn't quite at the same level after the intl break and the penalty against Leicester was an error. All of that being said, it's to be expected for a relatively young and inexperienced keeper at this level. He's absolutely not a cause for concern though, he will be fine and we can rely on him.
My 2 'concerns' if we're doing that, is both expectations and keeping players fit and available. The wave of optimism, signings and form from last season could easily work against us if we start poorly or don't beat teams 'we should'. Ever the self saboteur we have to remain realistic and patient because there will be shit as with any Champ season.
The availability is also key as we have a lot of players with questionable records with injuries. Field, Odubajo, De Wijs, Dozzell, Wallace... We're putting a huge amount of faith in our medical team to keep them on the pitch and try to avoid long term injuries, a big part of our consistent success last season was being able to choose from the same 12-14 players each week, that could be tough to maintain. |  |
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| Weak Link? on 13:24 - Aug 6 with 1014 views | rsonist |
It's not so much a weak link but if we continue to treat dead balls as an afterthought, particularly now we have McCallum as well as Dykes with huge throws on them, I'll be mildly peeved. |  | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:03 - Aug 6 with 958 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Weak Link? on 13:21 - Aug 6 by simmo |
There is a *little*, tiny, slither of inconsitency with Seny that's kicked in towards the end of last season. He wasn't quite at the same level after the intl break and the penalty against Leicester was an error. All of that being said, it's to be expected for a relatively young and inexperienced keeper at this level. He's absolutely not a cause for concern though, he will be fine and we can rely on him.
My 2 'concerns' if we're doing that, is both expectations and keeping players fit and available. The wave of optimism, signings and form from last season could easily work against us if we start poorly or don't beat teams 'we should'. Ever the self saboteur we have to remain realistic and patient because there will be shit as with any Champ season.
The availability is also key as we have a lot of players with questionable records with injuries. Field, Odubajo, De Wijs, Dozzell, Wallace... We're putting a huge amount of faith in our medical team to keep them on the pitch and try to avoid long term injuries, a big part of our consistent success last season was being able to choose from the same 12-14 players each week, that could be tough to maintain. |
"There is a *little*, tiny, slither of inconsitency with Seny that's kicked in towards the end of last season. He wasn't quite at the same level after the intl break and the penalty against Leicester was an error. All of that being said, it's to be expected for a relatively young and inexperienced keeper at this level. He's absolutely not a cause for concern though, he will be fine and we can rely on him."
I agree, but I also think he made other errors, particularly positioning ones, and including on his debut that went unnoticed at the time - so good was his form.
I don't know if there are any weak links. I'm happy to judge the team after ten games. |  |
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| Weak Link? on 14:05 - Aug 6 with 951 views | Northernr |
| Weak Link? on 11:32 - Aug 6 by Snipper |
Not so much a weak link regarding players, but a positive negative. This season there’s expectation for this squad to do well. This is coming from our owners/shareholders and the bulk of the fan base.
The fans have to be patient. If things are not going the way we want tomorrow, the last thing the players need is disgruntled supporters giving them grief. We’re not going to win 46 league games, so give them your support to help them.
So, if there’s a weak link this season, it’ll be certain fans creating negativity. |
Should we happen not to beat Millwall and Hull I'd expect to start seeing Tweets about whether the Warbs contract extension was premature in week two. |  | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:06 - Aug 6 with 950 views | simmo |
Did you mean 10 games or 10 minutes, Brian? | |
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| Weak Link? on 14:13 - Aug 6 with 930 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 10:38 - Aug 6 by Northernr |
The bits I'm worried about
- There's not a lot of blinding pace in the team, I wonder what will happen when sides just sit in against us and ask us to try and go through them (Derby H, Huddersfield H last season).
- Defensive central midfield. I love Sam Field to death, we'll miss him. Ball is game but limited. That and the wing backs being so far up has left that back three quite exposed in pre-season, albeit against some good players.
- It's QPR. The last time I felt like this about us we lost 5-0 to Swansea on the opening day and the season collapsed almost immediately. |
I agree that we are not blessed with pace, & I am sure MW is aware of that, but I think we are well organised, work so hard that we should be able to cope with pace. There will be times we are exposed though.......
As for defensive midfield, Field is decent and he will be missed but Dom Ball does a proper 'dogs job' and it cannot be great playing against him. I don't have the same worries.
Wing backs job is to get forward and get back, I think that they both have that ability in them......and that is where our defensive midfielders will need to be very alert with. It is their job to cover wide if necessary and I am confident they will do that and if not MW will be on their case.
Yep, I feel so confident, I have seen them play against two top Premier sides and played proper decent football. In previous years we couldn't lace Watford boots in pre season!!!
My worry is.......can they relax enough, be brave enough & not be scared in a massive game, in front of an expectant crowd of Rangers and play 'top football' that we have seen at home thus far.
I'm confident they will because MW would have covered all of this stuff with the players who have not experienced this type of environment. [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 14:15]
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| Weak Link? on 14:21 - Aug 6 with 916 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Weak Link? on 11:10 - Aug 6 by SimplyNico |
In the same way that we had "Scowongoman" a few seasons back in midfield, do we now have "Chillock" as the creative attacking force? |
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| Weak Link? on 14:25 - Aug 6 with 904 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Weak Link? on 11:45 - Aug 6 by Myke |
And you think immediately resorting to a personal insult instead of engaging in the discussion is the way to go? Interesting |
where's the personal insult myke? I think you're a great poster! I just think your views on Dieng are rather silly, that's all.
There's nothing personal about that, I haven't insulted you. I just think it's a silly opinion. |  |
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| Weak Link? on 14:29 - Aug 6 with 882 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 14:25 - Aug 6 by Antti_Heinola |
where's the personal insult myke? I think you're a great poster! I just think your views on Dieng are rather silly, that's all.
There's nothing personal about that, I haven't insulted you. I just think it's a silly opinion. |
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| Weak Link? on 14:31 - Aug 6 with 876 views | gazza1 |
I don't know why posters get so emotive......it isn't all about having the same opinion. Words are said but we are all Rangers wanting the best for our Team. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:43 - Aug 6 with 852 views | daveB |
There is plenty that could go wrong, we've looked quite easy to create chances against with players getting in behind our midfield but it's hard to judge much in pre season when players are trying to get fit and teams are making 7/8 changes during the game.
We'll know more soon enough but as others have said need to play 10 games before you get a reasonable idea of how good or bad you are. |  | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:49 - Aug 6 with 844 views | WestbourneR |
I love Dom Ball as a character and he has some good attributes but fundamentally he's a bottom third Championship player at best and we look much worse when he plays. We need a reliable DM in the absence of Field.
I thought Amos was meant to be a defensive midfielder... no? |  |
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| Weak Link? on 14:49 - Aug 6 with 839 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 14:43 - Aug 6 by daveB |
There is plenty that could go wrong, we've looked quite easy to create chances against with players getting in behind our midfield but it's hard to judge much in pre season when players are trying to get fit and teams are making 7/8 changes during the game.
We'll know more soon enough but as others have said need to play 10 games before you get a reasonable idea of how good or bad you are. |
It may take you 10 games but I have made my mind up last season and with the additions......we are 'decent' & so is MW, etc.
I'm positive on the outcome!!! | | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:51 - Aug 6 with 829 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 14:49 - Aug 6 by WestbourneR |
I love Dom Ball as a character and he has some good attributes but fundamentally he's a bottom third Championship player at best and we look much worse when he plays. We need a reliable DM in the absence of Field.
I thought Amos was meant to be a defensive midfielder... no? |
So harsh on Dom Ball.....Norf isnt always correct!!!
Amos is more a forward thinking player. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 14:59 - Aug 6 with 819 views | PinnerPaul |
Everyone - no one plays well for 46 games.
Have a stinker and well.................we know what happens next. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:10 - Aug 6 with 801 views | BazzeR |
| Weak Link? on 14:51 - Aug 6 by gazza1 |
So harsh on Dom Ball.....Norf isnt always correct!!!
Amos is more a forward thinking player. |
What player could you hear MW barking at most when there were no fans in last season? | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:18 - Aug 6 with 788 views | Myke |
| Weak Link? on 14:25 - Aug 6 by Antti_Heinola |
where's the personal insult myke? I think you're a great poster! I just think your views on Dieng are rather silly, that's all.
There's nothing personal about that, I haven't insulted you. I just think it's a silly opinion. |
Well you called my views 'silly' twice (three times now actually) so if that's personal?? If you said I consider your view on Seny inaccurate or lacking in concrete proof and offered evidence to the contrary, like his ability to command his area etc, then that's a completely different. I like everyone else, hope he has a blinder of a season, but he (like a few others Dickie, Dykes,Willock, etc), have not played in front of a crowd before for QPR, so that is a unique experience many of them have to face. While this may be a factor for the outfield players, the reality is, that goalkeeper is an unforgiving position as an error very often leads to the concession of a goal. So I just flagged up a concern I have, in the overall context of potential areas of weakness that may be exploited by the oppo. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:22 - Aug 6 with 779 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 15:10 - Aug 6 by BazzeR |
What player could you hear MW barking at most when there were no fans in last season? |
I give up....who?? I watched it on the TV. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:32 - Aug 6 with 761 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 15:18 - Aug 6 by Myke |
Well you called my views 'silly' twice (three times now actually) so if that's personal?? If you said I consider your view on Seny inaccurate or lacking in concrete proof and offered evidence to the contrary, like his ability to command his area etc, then that's a completely different. I like everyone else, hope he has a blinder of a season, but he (like a few others Dickie, Dykes,Willock, etc), have not played in front of a crowd before for QPR, so that is a unique experience many of them have to face. While this may be a factor for the outfield players, the reality is, that goalkeeper is an unforgiving position as an error very often leads to the concession of a goal. So I just flagged up a concern I have, in the overall context of potential areas of weakness that may be exploited by the oppo. |
I am sure they have all played in front of crowds before and that it will be a little different & daunting but the supporters will be supporting them so the' intimidating bit' should not affect our own players......they should relish the occasions. [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 15:32]
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| Weak Link? on 15:34 - Aug 6 with 747 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 13:12 - Aug 6 by kernowhoop |
Odubajo is supposed to have 'blinding pace', but we shall see. |
He certainly looks quick and very mobile which is why he will be an excellent partner for Dickie and is why he will get the 'nod'. [Post edited 6 Aug 2021 15:34]
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| Weak Link? on 15:35 - Aug 6 with 746 views | simmo |
We all like Dom Ball, but you only need eyes and some experience of football ability to see he's limited. On his day he can hold his own at this level and does give us something a little different, his availbility and work rate is OUTSTANDING. Late in games he's a pain in the hole for tired teams and I still think that's where he's most effective.
The problem is that when relying on him to be more than a functional part of the team, there's a risk. He hasn't got the technical consitency or discipline to be a specialist in the way Field or Johansen are. It's not a criticism of him, but we've seen enough of him now to know he can 'do a job', but falls slightly short as a starter.
All teams need players like him though and Warburtons values are perfectly exemplified by Dom Ball. | |
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| Weak Link? on 15:37 - Aug 6 with 739 views | BazzeR |
| Weak Link? on 15:22 - Aug 6 by gazza1 |
I give up....who?? I watched it on the TV. |
I watched it on TV too.
“Dom shape” that’s what MW barks at him.
He gives the football away cheaply in dangerous areas and loses concentration/drawn to the ball.
He does it often Gazza so when that happens you tend to form an opinion rightly or wrongly.
Has the odd decent game that I don’t overlook but not in first 11 for me. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:44 - Aug 6 with 722 views | PinnerPaul |
| Weak Link? on 10:33 - Aug 6 by Antti_Heinola |
Wow we've gone from people saying he'd definitely leave for West Ham for £3m and no chance we can keep him to 'he's the weak link'.
A bit of pessimism not a terrible thing as we're all very buoyant, but this is a bit silly - particularly the 'prone to mistakes' - name a keeper at this level who is not 'prone to mistakes'. We're not going to be signing Donnarumma. |
"any level...." - yep agree. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:45 - Aug 6 with 718 views | gazza1 |
| Weak Link? on 15:37 - Aug 6 by BazzeR |
I watched it on TV too.
“Dom shape” that’s what MW barks at him.
He gives the football away cheaply in dangerous areas and loses concentration/drawn to the ball.
He does it often Gazza so when that happens you tend to form an opinion rightly or wrongly.
Has the odd decent game that I don’t overlook but not in first 11 for me. |
I'm not with you on that, never seen it myself to any major extent.......MW talks all the time and so do most Managers.
Harsh on Dom Ball indeed, works his 'nuts' off, tackles more than most, shuts players down, he is a 'real donkey' of the Team, covers wide players, yes he gives the ball away nothing real bad (Can't recall him giving the ball away, perhaps once, and we concede), yes he is not the most skilful. A real Team player for the side and I would suggest well respected by the players.
I have no concerns about him being included in the side. | | | |
| Weak Link? on 15:46 - Aug 6 with 719 views | Match82 |
| Weak Link? on 10:38 - Aug 6 by Northernr |
The bits I'm worried about
- There's not a lot of blinding pace in the team, I wonder what will happen when sides just sit in against us and ask us to try and go through them (Derby H, Huddersfield H last season).
- Defensive central midfield. I love Sam Field to death, we'll miss him. Ball is game but limited. That and the wing backs being so far up has left that back three quite exposed in pre-season, albeit against some good players.
- It's QPR. The last time I felt like this about us we lost 5-0 to Swansea on the opening day and the season collapsed almost immediately. |
Agreed on 2 and 3. Great to see the amount of pace Moses brings to the team though I think that will help a lot |  | | |
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