| Just back observations 20:36 - Dec 27 with 13770 views | BlackCrowe |
Not good. Lucky to get away with 1-0 but could've been a different game were it not for pure Stroud for their goal...we'll never know.
Midfield overrun, we couldn't handle their high press (which they do very well) and Willock and Chair were neutralised from the start.
Biggest irritation was not making subs much much sooner, it was obvious to us that 5-10 mins into the second half nothing had changed, the subs should've come then. And btw Uncs over Kakay every time for starting position.
As for Bournemouth's pantomime collapsing....utterly utterly pathetic, the management and the players should be ashamed. But of course won't be. |  |
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| Just back observations on 15:10 - Dec 28 with 1559 views | daveB |
We didn't play that well but were always in the game and really should have had a penalty when Johansen was brought down, he was giving those fouls all over the pitch all night apart form that one. |  | | |
| Just back observations on 15:12 - Dec 28 with 1553 views | W12Mikey |
| Just back observations on 11:42 - Dec 28 by nix |
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/keith-stroud/bilanz/schiedsrichter/566/saison_id
This gives you an idea. Equal fifth number of wins when he's reffing compared with other teams, some of which Stroud has reffed twice, and almost three times as often.
Also no red cards awarded to them and 50% more yellow cards awarded against their opponents than against Bournemouth. 🤔 |
Bournemouth's win percentage under Stroud at 100% in the transfermarkt table is extraordinary. No other club comes near it. For comparison, Bournemouth's overall win % this season is 54% (13/24) and that includes 2 wins against us refereed by Stroud. Doesn't prove that he' s biased, but the EFL surely can't be surprised if fans think he is. Would be interesting to know if there is any other ref/team combo that has a win % so out of kilter with that team's overall win %. If not, then I'd say there is a case to answer... |  | | |
| Just back observations on 15:14 - Dec 28 with 1511 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Just back observations on 15:05 - Dec 28 by Noelmc |
I would think the chances of being a Luton Town fan having lived anywhere else in the country but Luton are very small indeed. |
I don't know - would you stay in Luton? | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:27 - Dec 28 with 1465 views | PinnerPaul |
Not read any other comments, at the game and just seen the EFL highlights back and seen MW's interview - I like the bloke, he's done a great job, but that interview has just done my head in.
Bournemouth by far the better team, we had ONE shot, that I could have saved.
They missed two sitters and only great last ditch defending stopped them scoring another couple.
1st 20 mins - evenly matched and the football we played - 20? passes that led to the fk outside the box was delightful, but after that we created nothing and I thought Field (more on him soon) had a really poor game in the middle before he went to the left after Wallace went off.
MW - As I said before the game, he moaned about no games in 21 days after complaining about 17 games in 21 days before. At it again last night, implying league should be halted, which of course will result in more games in a shorter period of time.
Mr S - That's a free kick (that led to the goal), all day long and all year long - caution a bit debateable but he said it was for 3 fouls, so can accept that.
MW said Dozzell didn't deserve the two yellows - I don't know in what universe a blatant pull back (AD didn't argue about it) and grabbing someone round the throat repeatedly (DW didn't argue about it) are not yellow cards.
Only real debate for me was the SJ penalty shout, live, I didn't think it was, Mrs Pinner thought it could have been - wasn't on the EFL highlights so will leave that there.
Other than the usual foul/no foul calls we all disagree over in all games, with all refs don't think he did much wrong.
Plus point as well for telling Bournemouth number 8, I think it was, to get up and not allowing physio on near the end.
Poor performance from us including leaving Solanki with two free headers and creating nothing leaves me a little worried about the rest of the season tbh. Need to stop this becoming a poor run, that as Clive said in his preview, seems to be a feature of the division this season. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:28 - Dec 28 with 1462 views | PinnerPaul |
Yep agree about subs - not Field's game either, thought Amos should have started or at least come on sooner - as you say. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:29 - Dec 28 with 1461 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 21:21 - Dec 27 by thame_hoops |
Good lord.. perspective…lost to the team top of the league with a big budget, we really weren’t that bad 🤦ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ Fine lines and all that |
Agree about Bournemouth £s, but we created nothing - has to be a worry? | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:31 - Dec 28 with 1457 views | kensalriser |
On Dozzell's second yellow, it should be drummed into every footballer that if handbags break out and you're on a yellow, do a Lineker - watch it from the furthest point of the pitch possible. |  |
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| Just back observations on 15:33 - Dec 28 with 1444 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 21:53 - Dec 27 by MrSheen |
Only Dunne, Dieng and Dozzell, when he came on, we’re better than passable tonight. We have lots to complain about - Stroud, Bournemouth’s pathetic gamesmanship - but the result wasn’t one of them. They could have buried us.
Honourable exception to Bournemouth‘s play-acting - Lewis Cook. Aggressive and energetic, but had no interest in time wasting and feigning injury. Even ran off when he was subbed off at the end. |
Think he also got clobbered in the head area as well, could easily have gone down but didn't - there are still some players who play with the right spirit.
Also, despite all that went on, it was all handshakes and hugs at the end from us - as it should be, but my cynical mind says that we know that we would do it if we were winning - see Albert's "Oh I can't catch the ball me" act v Huddersfield. | | | |
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| Just back observations on 15:34 - Dec 28 with 1439 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 22:00 - Dec 27 by enfieldargh |
Mention to Gary Cahill, he might be ex chelsit but on three occasions he pulled teammates to their feet when they were in the throws of giving birth.
When 3 Bournemouth players went down as if shot at the same time in extra time I can only assume they lost the rota.
Losing Chair for much of the first half didn't help, Willock looks half the player he can be when Ilias isn't around |
John Terry chant very funny and all that but Lyndon didn't get a sniff - all their back 4 played well. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:35 - Dec 28 with 1437 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 22:07 - Dec 27 by queensparker |
Only watched on telly but thought we looked like we hadn’t played for three weeks and a tough game really caught up with our legs - really sharp for 30 mins then faded badly until Adomah came on. We normally finish strong but we looked tired in the second half for once.
God bless Kakay thought he was actually alright in terms of defending and getting up the pitch but his crossing isn’t great. Wallace and Dykes looked rusty as well. No Chair for second half means we’re less of a threat and Willock was as anonymous as he’s been all season, but he’s allowed one off game.
Despite that we gave Bournemouth a good game and I reckon they’ll be top two no doubt, Solanke and Billing and Stanislas and Cook are all top players.
I seem to be in a total minority but thought we had a fkin nailed on penalty on Johansen as well.
Need to get back match fit |
Pen - live I didn't think it was, but Mrs Pinner and another fan thought it was - did it look it on TV? | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:36 - Dec 28 with 1435 views | daveB |
| Just back observations on 15:27 - Dec 28 by PinnerPaul |
Not read any other comments, at the game and just seen the EFL highlights back and seen MW's interview - I like the bloke, he's done a great job, but that interview has just done my head in.
Bournemouth by far the better team, we had ONE shot, that I could have saved.
They missed two sitters and only great last ditch defending stopped them scoring another couple.
1st 20 mins - evenly matched and the football we played - 20? passes that led to the fk outside the box was delightful, but after that we created nothing and I thought Field (more on him soon) had a really poor game in the middle before he went to the left after Wallace went off.
MW - As I said before the game, he moaned about no games in 21 days after complaining about 17 games in 21 days before. At it again last night, implying league should be halted, which of course will result in more games in a shorter period of time.
Mr S - That's a free kick (that led to the goal), all day long and all year long - caution a bit debateable but he said it was for 3 fouls, so can accept that.
MW said Dozzell didn't deserve the two yellows - I don't know in what universe a blatant pull back (AD didn't argue about it) and grabbing someone round the throat repeatedly (DW didn't argue about it) are not yellow cards.
Only real debate for me was the SJ penalty shout, live, I didn't think it was, Mrs Pinner thought it could have been - wasn't on the EFL highlights so will leave that there.
Other than the usual foul/no foul calls we all disagree over in all games, with all refs don't think he did much wrong.
Plus point as well for telling Bournemouth number 8, I think it was, to get up and not allowing physio on near the end.
Poor performance from us including leaving Solanki with two free headers and creating nothing leaves me a little worried about the rest of the season tbh. Need to stop this becoming a poor run, that as Clive said in his preview, seems to be a feature of the division this season. |
can't agree on the free kick at all, he won the ball. Lerma goes down like he's been shot. The pull back on Field just before was more of a foul
Stroud was poor all night, always makes it about himself, the amount of time it took him to book players for the ruck at the end was ridiculous, he was almost doing a lap of honour. As ever did absolutely nothing about the time wasting so it got to the point they took the absolute piss out of him for the last 10 minutes. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:37 - Dec 28 with 1433 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 22:15 - Dec 27 by QPR_Hibs |
Also, Cahill didn't complain when Dykes shoved him into the advertising boards.
Thought Wallace played reasonably well too. |
Yeah I saw that - 3 Bournemouth players (nothing to do with it obviously) came over for a whine and a moan and he told them to ....off - respect for that. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:39 - Dec 28 with 1427 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 22:51 - Dec 27 by LowerloftLad |
So my shout of you make Brentford look big is true then.
Why did chair come off ? I'm guessing he is injured. [Post edited 27 Dec 2021 22:53]
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Mrs Pinner saw 1st half that he was caught on Achilles, took his boot off. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:43 - Dec 28 with 1409 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 13:44 - Dec 28 by T_Block |
Stop this crap.Only results count and Bournemouth were promoted to the premier on the back of a good english manager.Good luck to them. |
and a Russian billionaire, you forgot the Russian billionaire  | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:44 - Dec 28 with 1403 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 14:48 - Dec 28 by charmr |
For what it’s worth as a qualified referee I thought stroud went about his job exactly how he was trained to do. Also, and I watched closely, did not think he showed any bias. He lets a lot of pushing and holding go unpunished which is subjective. It’s a contact sport, I played the ball blah blah blah. Get a ref who calls everything and stops the flow still annoys people. Part of the buzz of plying is getting one over on the ref.
Mr S Bowles was quoted that he found it hard to watch football today because the game gets stopped too much. Stanley was always willing to show you the state of his legs even if you didn’t ask him. Go figure?
The gamesmanship is the problem and will never change because a players safety is going to be paramount and the players know it and use it to their advantage. Just wait untill you see your 11 yr old doing it. [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 15:04]
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Agree - see my post above. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:45 - Dec 28 with 1399 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 14:48 - Dec 28 by charmr |
For what it’s worth as a qualified referee I thought stroud went about his job exactly how he was trained to do. Also, and I watched closely, did not think he showed any bias. He lets a lot of pushing and holding go unpunished which is subjective. It’s a contact sport, I played the ball blah blah blah. Get a ref who calls everything and stops the flow still annoys people. Part of the buzz of plying is getting one over on the ref.
Mr S Bowles was quoted that he found it hard to watch football today because the game gets stopped too much. Stanley was always willing to show you the state of his legs even if you didn’t ask him. Go figure?
The gamesmanship is the problem and will never change because a players safety is going to be paramount and the players know it and use it to their advantage. Just wait untill you see your 11 yr old doing it. [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 15:04]
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How long have you been officiating?
What leagues do you do?
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| Just back observations on 15:48 - Dec 28 with 1375 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 15:05 - Dec 28 by Noelmc |
I would think the chances of being a Luton Town fan having lived anywhere else in the country but Luton are very small indeed. |
and he would have had to declare his club, around 2000, when he started on the line in the Football League. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:52 - Dec 28 with 1350 views | NW5Hoop |
Watching on TV, it was obviously not a penalty. Johansen went to shoot, but when he swung his leg back, the Bournemouth player was there. | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:55 - Dec 28 with 1325 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 15:36 - Dec 28 by daveB |
can't agree on the free kick at all, he won the ball. Lerma goes down like he's been shot. The pull back on Field just before was more of a foul
Stroud was poor all night, always makes it about himself, the amount of time it took him to book players for the ruck at the end was ridiculous, he was almost doing a lap of honour. As ever did absolutely nothing about the time wasting so it got to the point they took the absolute piss out of him for the last 10 minutes. |
He caught Lerma about knee height with his knee - its a foul - annoying about his fall but doesn't make it less of a foul.
Give that tiny pull and you're stopping the game every 2 mins - that's not a foul at this level.
Added 5 mins on and didn't start the 5 until the Bournemouth players had stopped rolling around on the floor - added time on for the melee.
Refused treatment for at least 2 Bournemouth players as well.
4th official told him about Dozzell - hard NOT to take your time in those situations - you go and stand next to a 20 man push and shove session and decide who should get red/yellow/nothing - its not easy! | | | |
| Just back observations on 15:55 - Dec 28 with 1318 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 15:52 - Dec 28 by NW5Hoop |
Watching on TV, it was obviously not a penalty. Johansen went to shoot, but when he swung his leg back, the Bournemouth player was there. |
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| Just back observations on 16:04 - Dec 28 with 1276 views | QPROslo |
| Just back observations on 15:27 - Dec 28 by PinnerPaul |
Not read any other comments, at the game and just seen the EFL highlights back and seen MW's interview - I like the bloke, he's done a great job, but that interview has just done my head in.
Bournemouth by far the better team, we had ONE shot, that I could have saved.
They missed two sitters and only great last ditch defending stopped them scoring another couple.
1st 20 mins - evenly matched and the football we played - 20? passes that led to the fk outside the box was delightful, but after that we created nothing and I thought Field (more on him soon) had a really poor game in the middle before he went to the left after Wallace went off.
MW - As I said before the game, he moaned about no games in 21 days after complaining about 17 games in 21 days before. At it again last night, implying league should be halted, which of course will result in more games in a shorter period of time.
Mr S - That's a free kick (that led to the goal), all day long and all year long - caution a bit debateable but he said it was for 3 fouls, so can accept that.
MW said Dozzell didn't deserve the two yellows - I don't know in what universe a blatant pull back (AD didn't argue about it) and grabbing someone round the throat repeatedly (DW didn't argue about it) are not yellow cards.
Only real debate for me was the SJ penalty shout, live, I didn't think it was, Mrs Pinner thought it could have been - wasn't on the EFL highlights so will leave that there.
Other than the usual foul/no foul calls we all disagree over in all games, with all refs don't think he did much wrong.
Plus point as well for telling Bournemouth number 8, I think it was, to get up and not allowing physio on near the end.
Poor performance from us including leaving Solanki with two free headers and creating nothing leaves me a little worried about the rest of the season tbh. Need to stop this becoming a poor run, that as Clive said in his preview, seems to be a feature of the division this season. |
Yes I thought there has been a bit of an over reaction to Stroud last night to be honest. Thought Field fouled their man for the free kick pretty clearly, and Johansen had never got to the ball on the penalty appeal. There was what looked like a clear Bournemouth hand clearance in their box late on to me, but QPR + commentators reckon he missed it. Not sure myself. | | | |
| Just back observations on 16:16 - Dec 28 with 1232 views | DieByYourSide |
| Just back observations on 15:34 - Dec 28 by PinnerPaul |
John Terry chant very funny and all that but Lyndon didn't get a sniff - all their back 4 played well. |
Who could've anticipated the two players we singled out for treatment having a decisive impact on the game?! | |
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| Just back observations on 16:27 - Dec 28 with 1201 views | stowmarketrange |
| Just back observations on 15:33 - Dec 28 by PinnerPaul |
Think he also got clobbered in the head area as well, could easily have gone down but didn't - there are still some players who play with the right spirit.
Also, despite all that went on, it was all handshakes and hugs at the end from us - as it should be, but my cynical mind says that we know that we would do it if we were winning - see Albert's "Oh I can't catch the ball me" act v Huddersfield. |
To be fair to Albert,we didn’t start the time wasting that day.Huddersfield we’re blatantly doing it early in the game.Albert was giving them some of their own back,exactly what we did to Preston after we took the lead. |  | | |
| Just back observations on 17:09 - Dec 28 with 1102 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just back observations on 16:04 - Dec 28 by QPROslo |
Yes I thought there has been a bit of an over reaction to Stroud last night to be honest. Thought Field fouled their man for the free kick pretty clearly, and Johansen had never got to the ball on the penalty appeal. There was what looked like a clear Bournemouth hand clearance in their box late on to me, but QPR + commentators reckon he missed it. Not sure myself. |
Couldn't agree more on the Stroud reaction last night, EVERY challenge by them was a foul, EVERY foul by us wasn't.
Handball - on highlights, looked close, but don't think he touched it, | | | |
| Just back observations on 17:12 - Dec 28 with 1087 views | qprmike |
| Just back observations on 15:55 - Dec 28 by PinnerPaul |
He caught Lerma about knee height with his knee - its a foul - annoying about his fall but doesn't make it less of a foul.
Give that tiny pull and you're stopping the game every 2 mins - that's not a foul at this level.
Added 5 mins on and didn't start the 5 until the Bournemouth players had stopped rolling around on the floor - added time on for the melee.
Refused treatment for at least 2 Bournemouth players as well.
4th official told him about Dozzell - hard NOT to take your time in those situations - you go and stand next to a 20 man push and shove session and decide who should get red/yellow/nothing - its not easy! |
As a qualified referee too - I can not agree that it is acceptable to be told by the 4th official. If he missed it he missed it.
And he manages the game terribly. He might be technical correct - although sorry it wasnt a foul and therefore no debate it was not a yellow -but he takes no account of how his behaviour affects the temperament of the game. I wonder how many games he refs end up with fights or fracas.
One of the most important thing to me when refereeing is to consider the spirit of the game. Mr Stroud manages to change the spirit and cause anger - not just to us but to the players and all supporters. I have yet to see a match that he has officiated where he is not the centre of attention. The best referees you dont even notice even when it is a "lively" match.
He is a liability and should not be allowed to ref at this level. He makes the role of those of us who referee at a much lower level much more difficult. | | | |
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