| Not Lucky At All 22:08 - Dec 30 with 7695 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Definitely below par, but not lucky.
We dominated possession.
We sorted out their main threat.
We had more shots.
We had more shots on target.
Below par? Yes.
Lucky? No.
And we did all that while missing key players, recovering from COVID in the camp and only having five subs.
We're a serious team now. We'll win playing under par. It's not luck, though.
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| Not Lucky At All on 09:31 - Dec 31 with 1439 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Not Lucky At All on 08:59 - Dec 31 by Myke |
I honestly thought your heading was tongue in cheek Brian. We were very lucky indeed. 'Luck" is when events that you cannot control go in your favour. The three big events in the game; their 'penalty' our penalty and the sending off, all went in our favour - if they hadn't we would have (deservedly) lost the game. The best way to judge if we were lucky or not is to place yourself in the shoes of the opposition; if any of those 3 big decisions went against us we would be up in arms. We only have to go back 3 days to experience that at first hand. We may well have been 'due' some luck, but we got it in spades last night. |
How on earth were we lucky with their sending off?
King was clearly giving the ref verbals after we won the penalty for 1st booking and he was pulling Stefan back for about 10 seconds before the ref had no choice to give him the 2nd booking. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:35 - Dec 31 with 1437 views | Maggsinho |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:31 - Dec 31 by Ned_Kennedys |
How on earth were we lucky with their sending off?
King was clearly giving the ref verbals after we won the penalty for 1st booking and he was pulling Stefan back for about 10 seconds before the ref had no choice to give him the 2nd booking. |
Yep a clear booking and stupid to do that when you're already on a yellow card. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:41 - Dec 31 with 1404 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Not Lucky At All on 03:02 - Dec 31 by strikerace |
I'll have to rewatch the the almost penalty, I didn't notice Dunne covering for Dickie. If so that makes a difference, although it was still easily could be a penalty. I rewatched the OG again and I still think Dunne was the only one who touched it. |
Never an OG and Dunne covering Barbet for that ball over his head (as he should be) and in real time thought was a great covering tackle, and Dunne's much needed physicality in our team won him the tackle.
If anyone does re-watch the game and they see any contribution in open play from Austin let me know as for me when he starts we are playing with 10 men.
Criticising Dunne when he's working his bllx of for the team when Austin is trotting around and spending what little energy he has has winding up the opposition fans, I just don't get. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:49 - Dec 31 with 1388 views | PhilmyRs |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:31 - Dec 31 by Ned_Kennedys |
How on earth were we lucky with their sending off?
King was clearly giving the ref verbals after we won the penalty for 1st booking and he was pulling Stefan back for about 10 seconds before the ref had no choice to give him the 2nd booking. |
Agreed, clear sending off. Looked an obvious penalty for us too. Not sure how some can call it soft, the player dives in - he should have stayed on his feet - and doesn’t win the ball from what I could see and clipped Amos. Yes, Amos clearly went down easy but the guy shouldn’t be so reckless and would expect that to be given by most referees.
I didn’t think we played very well but I don’t think we were overly fortunate with the big decisions, in the main I think they were the right calls. I should add I missed the Bristol penalty shout so that may be one where they could be criticised but the ones I did see, I think they got right. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:54 - Dec 31 with 1368 views | E15Hoop |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:49 - Dec 31 by PhilmyRs |
Agreed, clear sending off. Looked an obvious penalty for us too. Not sure how some can call it soft, the player dives in - he should have stayed on his feet - and doesn’t win the ball from what I could see and clipped Amos. Yes, Amos clearly went down easy but the guy shouldn’t be so reckless and would expect that to be given by most referees.
I didn’t think we played very well but I don’t think we were overly fortunate with the big decisions, in the main I think they were the right calls. I should add I missed the Bristol penalty shout so that may be one where they could be criticised but the ones I did see, I think they got right. |
Major credit has to go thre ref last night who I thought was very strong in the face of a lot of bullying and barracking by the Bristol City players and fans. Not afraid to call it as he genuinely saw it and did his best to be solid and consistent throughout. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:05 - Dec 31 with 1339 views | traininvain |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:41 - Dec 31 by ParkRoyalR |
Never an OG and Dunne covering Barbet for that ball over his head (as he should be) and in real time thought was a great covering tackle, and Dunne's much needed physicality in our team won him the tackle.
If anyone does re-watch the game and they see any contribution in open play from Austin let me know as for me when he starts we are playing with 10 men.
Criticising Dunne when he's working his bllx of for the team when Austin is trotting around and spending what little energy he has has winding up the opposition fans, I just don't get. |
I must’ve imagined Austin nice turn around the Bristol defender to create a shooting opportunity in the first half. And his through pass/flick to Willock who was marginally offside.
The problem is we’re not creating many chances at the moment full stop. Willock was anonymous again last night. Dykes didn’t add much when introduced in the second half. We miss Chair and we need to find a way to play without him in the team.
Dunne might be working hard but his first half performance was littered with mistakes. Fortunately he improved in the second half. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:20 - Dec 31 with 1295 views | dmm |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:05 - Dec 31 by traininvain |
I must’ve imagined Austin nice turn around the Bristol defender to create a shooting opportunity in the first half. And his through pass/flick to Willock who was marginally offside.
The problem is we’re not creating many chances at the moment full stop. Willock was anonymous again last night. Dykes didn’t add much when introduced in the second half. We miss Chair and we need to find a way to play without him in the team.
Dunne might be working hard but his first half performance was littered with mistakes. Fortunately he improved in the second half. |
Talking of Willock, I do wonder if he relies on playing off Chair too much. He needs to impose himself on the game more. I think it's down to self-confidence as there's no doubt he has the ability. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:20 - Dec 31 with 1295 views | daveB |
I thought we were poor first half and lucky not to be 2/3 down but second half was a lot more even, thought we carried more of a threat going forward than the first half. Draw would have been fair but was lovely to reverse what they did to us at home this season.
I thought Dunne had a decent game again, the back 3 got better as the game went on. Adomah was really poor, Kakay would have been slaughtered for a similar performance, his crossing was woeful.
Amos and Willock also well below their best and kept giving the ball away, safe to say we are really going to miss Chair. I'd be making an enquiry to get Eze on loan for a month, I imagine they'd tell us to do one but we could do with another attacking midfield player and a month here getting match fit would suit both parties. |  | | |
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| Not Lucky At All on 10:26 - Dec 31 with 1278 views | Mole_Senior |
‘Austin a complete passenger?’ Are you sure pal?
The whole team were below par for the first 45; far too deep, passing slow and backwards and lacking any real imagination. That said, when called upon, Austin held the ball up well, brought others into play, fashioned our only real shot on goal with a great bit of skill and then had the balls to step up and take the pen after missing his last two! |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:26 - Dec 31 with 1277 views | QPR_John |
| Not Lucky At All on 08:59 - Dec 31 by Myke |
I honestly thought your heading was tongue in cheek Brian. We were very lucky indeed. 'Luck" is when events that you cannot control go in your favour. The three big events in the game; their 'penalty' our penalty and the sending off, all went in our favour - if they hadn't we would have (deservedly) lost the game. The best way to judge if we were lucky or not is to place yourself in the shoes of the opposition; if any of those 3 big decisions went against us we would be up in arms. We only have to go back 3 days to experience that at first hand. We may well have been 'due' some luck, but we got it in spades last night. |
Their “penalty” may well have been given but it was not so if you like that was a bit of luck although it looked shoulder to shoulder to me. However our penalty was spot on Amos was pushed in the back. The Bristol player gave the ref little choice but to show a red card. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:30 - Dec 31 with 1255 views | WatfordR |
Just a point about our soft underbelly.
Four points gained in last two away games in injury time. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:33 - Dec 31 with 1246 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:05 - Dec 31 by traininvain |
I must’ve imagined Austin nice turn around the Bristol defender to create a shooting opportunity in the first half. And his through pass/flick to Willock who was marginally offside.
The problem is we’re not creating many chances at the moment full stop. Willock was anonymous again last night. Dykes didn’t add much when introduced in the second half. We miss Chair and we need to find a way to play without him in the team.
Dunne might be working hard but his first half performance was littered with mistakes. Fortunately he improved in the second half. |
No you didn't and your right, I forgot that nice touch.
Although I think the flick pass is synonymous with Austin's demise at this level, where he gets rid of the ball too quickly on occasion as knows he hasn't got the pace or energy to do anything but a hopeful flick on.
I think we will continue to struggle as a team if he plays anything other than a role as our 2nd striker in the last 15. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:33 - Dec 31 with 1246 views | ozexile |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:41 - Dec 31 by ParkRoyalR |
Never an OG and Dunne covering Barbet for that ball over his head (as he should be) and in real time thought was a great covering tackle, and Dunne's much needed physicality in our team won him the tackle.
If anyone does re-watch the game and they see any contribution in open play from Austin let me know as for me when he starts we are playing with 10 men.
Criticising Dunne when he's working his bllx of for the team when Austin is trotting around and spending what little energy he has has winding up the opposition fans, I just don't get. |
I thought Austin played quite well. Each to their own I suppose. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:35 - Dec 31 with 1240 views | traininvain |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:20 - Dec 31 by dmm |
Talking of Willock, I do wonder if he relies on playing off Chair too much. He needs to impose himself on the game more. I think it's down to self-confidence as there's no doubt he has the ability. |
Chair is the player who makes this team tick with his link up play in attack. He’s generally the one creating opportunities and Willock definitely misses him as they have a real connection on the pitch.
Unless we can find a quick fix (E.g. Eze on loan but seems unlikely), we’re going to need to grind out some results while Chair’s away and last night was a good start.
Maybe a change of system with two upfront might be the way forward but it doesn’t address the lack of creativity in the team as a result of Chair not playing. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:36 - Dec 31 with 1241 views | daveB |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:33 - Dec 31 by ozexile |
I thought Austin played quite well. Each to their own I suppose. |
me too, he was fine up front, team created nothing again but he worked hard and did a good job for the team | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:47 - Dec 31 with 1190 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:26 - Dec 31 by Mole_Senior |
‘Austin a complete passenger?’ Are you sure pal?
The whole team were below par for the first 45; far too deep, passing slow and backwards and lacking any real imagination. That said, when called upon, Austin held the ball up well, brought others into play, fashioned our only real shot on goal with a great bit of skill and then had the balls to step up and take the pen after missing his last two! |
When called upon probably sums up his view on his role in the team.
The reason for the poor first 45 was there was no forward to run the channels, create space off the shoulder, nothing. Dykes immediately did that and it was very telling that Austin was almost embarrassed into doing likewise immediately after.
I take for many fans he is the elephant in the room but when teams press our defence as they will early in the game and the defenders have no outball as Adomah always offers Barbet, we will struggle. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:50 - Dec 31 with 1171 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:36 - Dec 31 by daveB |
me too, he was fine up front, team created nothing again but he worked hard and did a good job for the team |
Thought Austin put in a solid 6/10 performance. Dykes showing signs of improvement too when he came on.
As well as Chair I thought we missed Dozzell yesterday. Take both of those out of this side and you’re left with JoJo trying to do everything. I usually stick up for Amos but he had me pulling my hair out last night. Like a rabbit in headlights.
Barring injuries I’d make one change for Sunday. Dozzell for Amos. Think you might see a big difference. |  |
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| Not Lucky At All on 10:51 - Dec 31 with 1155 views | nix |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:30 - Dec 31 by qpr1976 |
I’ll tell ya who was “lucky”…..
Bristol City at our place earlier in the season.
As someone else points out here. Luck comes in good & bad places. It invariably evens itself out, unless a certain K Stroud is in charge.
And I never get the “only 5 subs” thing. Surely we have a couple of Youth/U21/18’s who could travel with the squad. You don’t Have to use them, but what an invaluable experience for them.
Funny how ‘Bare bones seems to happen so much in December, with a transfer window looming. 🤫😂 [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 9:35]
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I seem to remember Warbs saying this is a Covid issue. Earlier in the season he was consistently putting one of the young players on the bench. But they are trying to keep the two squads separate as far as possible to avoid passing it on between the two squads.
I would have thought If he wanted to he'd just go and state his case to the board/Les etc rather than doing a passive aggressive Redknapp type action. |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:59 - Dec 31 with 1127 views | traininvain |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:33 - Dec 31 by ParkRoyalR |
No you didn't and your right, I forgot that nice touch.
Although I think the flick pass is synonymous with Austin's demise at this level, where he gets rid of the ball too quickly on occasion as knows he hasn't got the pace or energy to do anything but a hopeful flick on.
I think we will continue to struggle as a team if he plays anything other than a role as our 2nd striker in the last 15. |
The flick pass was the right idea but unfortunately Willock was marginally offside. I think Austin actually created more than Willock last night which seems counterintuitive.
The bigger problem (and the real elephant in the room) imo is the lack of creativity without Chair in the team. We don’t create many chances without Chair and it’s going to be an issue unless this can be addressed over the next few weeks. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 10:59 - Dec 31 with 1128 views | CFW |
We all want to win every game by playing great free flowing football, every player doing their job, high press etc etc but the reality is that just does not happen in modern football. You are going to have games where you play well as a team and not get the result you perhaps deserve - a bad decision, injury to key player, bad bounce or an individual error. Hopefully, during the season you also get a result when you, as a team, have under performed. In this division, given the players we have at our disposal we have to accept the good days along with the not so good.
The COVID disruption is the same for all teams and will continue to be a pain in the backside for managers but given we were not at our best, were a goal down, did not look like scoring, missing players I would have been very happy with a point to get all three is fantastic. Just enjoy the win and the ride boys!!!
Happy New Year to everyone and lets hope for a 'LUCKY' 2022!!!!  | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 11:11 - Dec 31 with 1079 views | westberksr |
| Not Lucky At All on 00:32 - Dec 31 by strikerace |
I thought Dunne was awful. OG, should have given up a another penalty, and beaten off the ball numerous times |
OG! you are kidding, trying to block a shot and got an unlucky deflection; comes with the territory.
Thought of the 3 CBs that Dickie had the worst game with several poor decisions and passes but given the end result it has to be filed under one of the games that went our way.
Even when down to 10 I don't think we did enough to control the game and that is more on the midfield than defence.
Willock missed having Chair again, they really are a double act and feed off each other |  | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 11:24 - Dec 31 with 1025 views | LazyFan |
| Not Lucky At All on 09:30 - Dec 31 by qpr1976 |
I’ll tell ya who was “lucky”…..
Bristol City at our place earlier in the season.
As someone else points out here. Luck comes in good & bad places. It invariably evens itself out, unless a certain K Stroud is in charge.
And I never get the “only 5 subs” thing. Surely we have a couple of Youth/U21/18’s who could travel with the squad. You don’t Have to use them, but what an invaluable experience for them.
Funny how ‘Bare bones seems to happen so much in December, with a transfer window looming. 🤫😂 [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 9:35]
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I would guess that if we did do the proper thing and bring some young uns to blood this would impact us in other ways.
Such as not being able to loan them out again to 2nd club as I think you can only play for 2 clubs a season. So, Kelman and others would be blocked from development time with other clubs when all the other players came back .
Or they would be classed as 1st team squad and if we wanted a COVID game called off, we would not be able to do that and it would end up being a certain loss of men against boyz knowing our luck.
All rubbish reasons, but those are rules of the game we have to play under. A bit FFP like those silly rules, whereby Chelsea can afford to ruin footballers careers, but normal clubs like ours have to play the game and only have 5 subs.
On the other hand, I recall 5 subs as being normal back in the day.
Also, the Eze on loan thing was a joke, we shall never get him on loan. Palace have too many going to AFCON, like Zaha. So, Palace will need Eze.
I have said before though, Willock and Chair need to play together for us to be impactful in attack. We are way less effective without either of them as the oppo just has to mark one of them. But with the two of them gaps get created.
Strange game, almost (apart from possession and red card) the complete opposite of the game at Loftus Road. Best team lost on both occasions. It's a funny old game. |  |
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| Not Lucky At All on 11:29 - Dec 31 with 1007 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Not Lucky At All on 11:11 - Dec 31 by westberksr |
OG! you are kidding, trying to block a shot and got an unlucky deflection; comes with the territory.
Thought of the 3 CBs that Dickie had the worst game with several poor decisions and passes but given the end result it has to be filed under one of the games that went our way.
Even when down to 10 I don't think we did enough to control the game and that is more on the midfield than defence.
Willock missed having Chair again, they really are a double act and feed off each other |
Dickie seems a real confidence player and maybe since Bournemouth away has not travelled with the ball as he did at the start of the season. I thInk having a constantly changing RWB won't have helped.
I've been critical of Chair tendency to take one touch too many in the past but for a while have thought him the most important player in our team.
Chair is always available to take a pass, makes the ball stick, and allows Willock and others to run off him as is so strong on the ball and very very rarely coughs up possession. Chair allows us to hold posession and play our football in and around the oppo's area and unless Warbs tries Thomas in that role, how we play as a team will have to change in Chairs absence imo. | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 11:30 - Dec 31 with 1005 views | PinnerPaul |
| Not Lucky At All on 08:59 - Dec 31 by Myke |
I honestly thought your heading was tongue in cheek Brian. We were very lucky indeed. 'Luck" is when events that you cannot control go in your favour. The three big events in the game; their 'penalty' our penalty and the sending off, all went in our favour - if they hadn't we would have (deservedly) lost the game. The best way to judge if we were lucky or not is to place yourself in the shoes of the opposition; if any of those 3 big decisions went against us we would be up in arms. We only have to go back 3 days to experience that at first hand. We may well have been 'due' some luck, but we got it in spades last night. |
Penalties yes, sending off - no - what's to be 'up in arms' about the 2 yellows? | | | |
| Not Lucky At All on 11:31 - Dec 31 with 1001 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Not Lucky At All on 08:59 - Dec 31 by Myke |
I honestly thought your heading was tongue in cheek Brian. We were very lucky indeed. 'Luck" is when events that you cannot control go in your favour. The three big events in the game; their 'penalty' our penalty and the sending off, all went in our favour - if they hadn't we would have (deservedly) lost the game. The best way to judge if we were lucky or not is to place yourself in the shoes of the opposition; if any of those 3 big decisions went against us we would be up in arms. We only have to go back 3 days to experience that at first hand. We may well have been 'due' some luck, but we got it in spades last night. |
Let's completely ignore the huge slice of luck that was their deflected goal, shall we? The sending off is absolutely not about luck, that was brainless play. Ours was a pen all day - that's not about luck. |  |
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