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Team for Sat 17:54 - Aug 18 with 8685 views

Defence and keeper obviously pick themsleves

Seny

Laird
Paal
Dickie
Dunne

Field
Johansen

Willock
Chair
Adomah

Roberts

Midfield we don't really have many options unless you want to drop Chair to a deeper role. Have to drop Dykes after Tuesday IMO

We really miss Amos in CM who can get out and press as we do seem to be easy to play against down the middle where you can run onto our defenders

Team for Sat on 11:21 - Aug 19 with 2050 views

Northernr

Team for Sat on 10:55 - Aug 19 by A40Bosh

Beale is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

People were going mental on here in the stands when Warbs repeated subbed off a Willock or other player deemed to be having a good game even though Warbs was saying the medical people told him 60mins max and then they have to come off. People were then dismissing that and say it is worth the risk to chase the win or an equalizer.

Beale comes in and takes that risk (so he says anyway) and left them on to 70 mins and we have not seen Willock since.

So was Warbs right all along or was the 3 points we got against Middlesbrough worth the risk as psychologically we are at least going in to the Rotherham game not in the bottom 3!!!!

As I said when Warbs was getting pelters on here for such heinous crimes as not saying the right thing in post match interviews... this is a tough job, it's a good deal tougher this season than it was last, and you are never going to get a manager at QPR who makes every decision, every substitution, every team selection and every comment that you agree with.

I also say that if you keep changing manager and nothing changes then the manger probably isn't your problem, and Beale definitely isn't the problem this season.

Team for Sat on 11:26 - Aug 19 with 2020 views

dmm

I find it interesting how many want Chair in CM. I know there's an issue there but I'm not convinced he can solve the problem. For me changing formation would be a better approach.

Team for Sat on 11:39 - Aug 19 with 1961 views

ParkRoyalR

Team for Sat on 11:21 - Aug 19 by Northernr

Agree, just don't believe our whole set-up is sufficiently developed to go down the 1st Team Coach model yet,

Butdo believe Beale's reputation in the industry as a 1st Class Coach will attract young talent (like Clarke-Salter, Richards, Roberts, Laird etc) which will paper-over the cracks and hopefully keep us competitive in this division for the next 2 or 3 years hopefully until Heston, Ramsey and his team can start producing players ready for our 1st team squad.

Team for Sat on 11:42 - Aug 19 with 1960 views

BazzeR

Even without hindsight MW made some odd decisions in the later part of the season, not least failing to play Gray despite him having the best GPM played.

Team for Sat on 11:45 - Aug 19 with 1930 views

daveB

Team for Sat on 11:26 - Aug 19 by dmm
I find it interesting how many want Chair in CM. I know there's an issue there but I'm not convinced he can solve the problem. For me changing formation would be a better approach.

He was dreadful in a deeper role at Sunderland last week

Team for Sat on 11:46 - Aug 19 with 1927 views

Northernr

Team for Sat on 11:42 - Aug 19 by BazzeR
Even without hindsight MW made some odd decisions in the later part of the season, not least failing to play Gray despite him having the best GPM played.

I guess knowing and hearing a little bit more than I'm able to publish about stuff that went on behind the scenes last year biases me against Gray somewhat, because he was a twt, but even without that love for him among QPR fans surprises me. Massive, fat, expensive, waste. That Peterborough home game after Amos scored he missed two chances every bit as bad as the one Dykes did the other night and we end up getting beaten. Cardiff at home, Willock puts him clean through on goal start of the second half to make it 2-0 and finish that game - I don't think he got the shot within 20 yards of the goal.

Team for Sat on 11:50 - Aug 19 with 1913 views

daveB

Team for Sat on 11:10 - Aug 19 by ParkRoyalR

100% agree, good post, and the call on Willock and Amos was the right call as if we'd lost our 1st home game after being 3-0 nil up, our lot would have been hysterical,

However...
- dropping Dunne
- dropping Kakay for a player who's been at the club 48hrs
- dropping Bonne from the bench when you only have one other option to lead the line
- substituting Chair.....all of the above not good for morale as these 4 are all 'grafters'
- playing new (Laird) or weak fullbacks (Nico) in a 4 with Dozell & SJ in front of them!

Football management is'nt really that difficult, identify a formation to best suit your 11 best players, and playing Dozzell in front of Laird is one of those oh oh moments when you think wtf is he thinking....Dozzell is not quick, not defensively minded, has no right foot, that's some debut for Laird.

all of those decsions are understandable though whether you agree with them or not

Dunne is popular but is not perfect by any means, he started last season on the bench as well.
If your gonna sign Laird as your 1st choice right back would have been an odd decsion to not play him on Tuesday.
Bonne feels like something has gone on behind the scenes, I'd have him on the bench but feels like there is more to this one.
Chair has been crap this season bar the last 5 minutes at Sunderland, not sure the problem with taking him off occasionaly
Playing Dozzell & SJ in midfield is pretty much the only option with Amos and Richards out injured.

Team for Sat on 11:56 - Aug 19 with 1901 views

BazzeR

I agree overall about Gray as he contributed nothing other than putting the ball in the net, but then again that’s what determines being classed as a striker.

Team for Sat on 12:31 - Aug 19 with 1801 views

Myke

Team for Sat on 10:55 - Aug 19 by A40Bosh

But on Tuesday night Beale DID take the medical advice and didn't play Willock as he had intended to do and we all know what happened. I bet he regrets that decision now. If (IF) we had beaten Blackpool with Willock playing for an hour and not available tomorrow would we be content with that? I think so. Beale knows he is under pressure from the fans (ridiculous as that seems after 4 games) which is why he left Willock on for 70 when Boro had us under the cosh 2nd half. He likely never intended to play Willock at Sunderland, but he sure as hell expected him to play last Tuesday. The big question now is, by following medical advice, is Willock ready to play the WHOLE game tomorrow or not? Because I can see this going like the Boro game or indeed the last time we Rotherham at home; we may well build a 2 goal lead, but Rotherham are no mugs and they will have a strong spell in the game. If they get one back (Washington of course) will Beale leave Willock on the pitch or not? If he does and we win the game but then Willock misses the next 3... as Bosh said Beale is damned either way

Team for Sat on 12:38 - Aug 19 with 1785 views

nix

Team for Sat on 11:56 - Aug 19 by BazzeR
I agree overall about Gray as he contributed nothing other than putting the ball in the net, but then again that’s what determines being classed as a striker.

Yes but we had a slow midfield: Dozzell, Chair, Johansen or Hendrick weren't going to do a lot of high press or tackling. So Dykes was the only one really who was doing any pressing. You certainly couldn't rely on Gray to do that. Which made it too easy to go through us when he was playing. He also didn't want to act as a link between central midfield and the final third, he just wanted the ball on a plate for him to run onto. He was a luxury for the last few minutes of games but not as a main striker.

Team for Sat on 12:38 - Aug 19 with 1790 views

Myke

Team for Sat on 12:31 - Aug 19 by Myke

To partly answer my own question (sad I know), but I think losing Richards is a massive blow to Beale's early season plans. If Richards- as a ball carrying mid-fielder - was available, then Beale could be more careful with Willock.Without Richards, Beale knows that Willock is the only player we have that can drive at the heart of the oppos defence as he did at Boro.

Team for Sat on 12:40 - Aug 19 with 1788 views

A40Bosh

Team for Sat on 11:50 - Aug 19 by daveB

If I am right then I think the Dunne being dropped is not so much an ability thing but maybe because he is right-footed. I think the Barbet out JCS in was a left-sided, left-footed appointment so that he has the ability to have balance in a back four but then has a ready and waiting "middle of a back 3" or injury/ban replacement who is experienced in Dunne and then less experienced cover with Masterson and Gubbins.

Dunne was bullish during the QPR Pod Jimmy Dunne love in at the start of the season and he has been right in stating that he "will be playing this season", so it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

As someone pointed out the other day last year the defence let in 70 goals between them so questions around those who remain this season are only fair - even if Dunne is a fans' favourite,

Poll:

With no leg room, knees killing me, do I just go now or stay for the 2nd half o?

Team for Sat on 12:47 - Aug 19 with 1763 views

dmm

Team for Sat on 11:45 - Aug 19 by daveB
He was dreadful in a deeper role at Sunderland last week

Yes, he was Dave and I think it would be unfair on Chair to expect him to solve our CM problems. He has his role in the team and, though not perfect, is pretty damn good as a no 10. Leave him to do what he does best.

Team for Sat on 12:49 - Aug 19 with 1759 views

ParkRoyalR

Team for Sat on 12:31 - Aug 19 by Myke

Agree, and this is largely hindsight based on Dykes not taking that gift, but if I don't rate Kakay to the extent I play Laird after one coaching session, and I think my only option in front of the new boy and beside SJ on the right of the midfield 3 is Dozzell, I would have changed formation, with Kakay (or Masterson) in the back 3 with Laird (or Adomah) and Pal as wing-backs,

All great with hindsight and sounding like Beale is making noises about changing formation on Saturday, but a new Manager taking over after last end of season slump shouldn't be making noises so soon to placate the fans.

Team for Sat on 12:50 - Aug 19 with 1763 views

Myke

Team for Sat on 12:40 - Aug 19 by A40Bosh

59 goals conceded last season. 70ish the previous 3 seasons before Dunne arrived. It think he was left out for Salter at the beginning less for his 'right-footedness' (he's comfortable on his left) and more for his lesser ability as a ball-playing CB. Saying that, he came out nicely on a couple of occasions late on (when Stef was no longer blocking him) v Blackpool and dinked a couple of nice passes out to Shodipo/Armstrong

Team for Sat on 12:56 - Aug 19 with 1738 views

BazzeR

Team for Sat on 12:38 - Aug 19 by nix

To get the best out of Gray our creative midfielders needed to play the ball early in behind for Gray to run onto, but that rarely happened.

I’m personally glad he was released but I will repeat myself his goals per min played was better than any of the other 2 recognised strikers.

My particular comment about MW failure to select him stands as both Gray and Austin were still benched even when Dykes was out injured.

[Post edited 19 Aug 2022 12:58]

Team for Sat on 15:05 - Aug 19 with 1627 views

kensalriser

Team for Sat on 12:56 - Aug 19 by BazzeR

[Post edited 19 Aug 2022 12:58]

How many games did we start with none of those three?

Poll:

QPR to finish 7th or Brentford to drop out of the top 6?

Team for Sat on 16:03 - Aug 19 with 1554 views

strikerace

I think Stef is joining the club of over 30 players who drop off quickly, following Austin in that club. My opinion is he should come in late to solidify a match, like at the 65 or 70th minute.
I would also try 2 upfront (can't be worse), Dykes and Bonne, or Dykes and Roberts. If that doesn't work then 1 up top next match, but that one is not Dykes

Team for Sat on 16:18 - Aug 19 with 1511 views

BazzeR

Team for Sat on 15:05 - Aug 19 by kensalriser
How many games did we start with none of those three?

It’s immaterial how many times it occurred, when the idea is to try to score goals to win a match it makes no sense to bench those most likely to carry that out.

MW would have been more than aware of Gray’s strengths and weaknesses before resigning him.
It’s an even bitter pill to swallow to learn that the club wanted to send him back early to Watford but MW reportedly refused.

[Post edited 19 Aug 2022 16:19]

Team for Sat on 17:05 - Aug 19 with 1396 views

stainrods_elbow

Team for Sat on 12:38 - Aug 19 by Myke
To partly answer my own question (sad I know), but I think losing Richards is a massive blow to Beale's early season plans. If Richards- as a ball carrying mid-fielder - was available, then Beale could be more careful with Willock.Without Richards, Beale knows that Willock is the only player we have that can drive at the heart of the oppos defence as he did at Boro.

You're forgetting Roberts, who was largely disappointing for me vs Blackpool, bar a couple of moments.

Poll:

What d'ya expect from our last 3 holiday games (WBA(A), Norwich(H), Sheff W(H))?

Team for Sat on 18:09 - Aug 19 with 1315 views

R_from_afar

Team for Sat on 00:27 - Aug 19 by LythamR
Seny Laird Paal Dickie Dunne Field Johansen Willock Chair Roberts Dykes.

I'd put Dozzell in in place of Johansen, but otherwise, I like what you have there

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

Team for Sat on 18:15 - Aug 19 with 1291 views

R_from_afar

Team for Sat on 10:15 - Aug 19 by gazza1

100% - i do not want to see Field playing on the left, as an attacking midfielder, threading balls left and right, etc, etc, etc - I want him as the defensive centre midfield player CDM) - sorry but he cannot do the stuff I have been reading that MB wants him to do and the sooner MB realises that the better team we will be. Field enhances the team as a DCM player massively.....not a massive difficult role to play but important and he does it pretty well - sit in front of the back 4, play the ball backwards and sideways and find your man with the ball, shut players down, win tackles and headers and try not to give the ball away.

Same back 4, Willock, Chair midfield, another forward than LD (ffs) and anyone else tbh because there is not a lot of difference in them otherwise.

You make a good point about Field. We certainly need at least one defensive centre midfield player on the pitch and from what I have seen and read on here, he is the best we have in that position.

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

Team for Sat on 19:38 - Aug 19 with 1227 views

stanistheman

Team for Sat on 00:08 - Aug 19 by distortR
Amos being talked up a lot at the moment, despite his goals and obvious potential, he had plenty of invisible games last season.

I think that is because plays most of his best games when not playing!!

He can be frustrating to watch and then score a goal that makes him look better than he how he was performing.

As for tomorrow, I haven't really got a scooby what team Beale, but I suspect it will be pretty much the same as Tuesday with the possible exception of Willock starting in Chair's position with the latter replacing Dozzell in midfield.

Johansen will keep his place sitting in front of the centre backs to slow the play up!

The sooner Field gets back to a deeper role the better, but we may be waiting until Amos and or Richards are fit again.

Team for Sat on 20:54 - Aug 19 with 1141 views

kensalriser

Team for Sat on 16:18 - Aug 19 by BazzeR

[Post edited 19 Aug 2022 16:19]

I don't know, it seems to me the essence of the point you made, which was that we were playing games without any of those three starting. I can't remember that happening and it seems you can't either, so maybe it just didn't happen.

Poll:

QPR to finish 7th or Brentford to drop out of the top 6?

Team for Sat on 21:28 - Aug 19 with 1110 views

Sakura

Team for Sat on 11:10 - Aug 19 by ParkRoyalR

I wonder ParkRoyal if you are of Irish descent?

I think Dunne is overrated by a lot of our fan base have at least an Irish grandparent and there seems to be more of an affinity to him based off that.

In a back 4. No argument JCS is a better left sided centre back. And I think it’s pretty clear Dickie is better than Dunne with his ability on the ball swaying it

A back 3 is great getting them 3 on the pitch and likely to be used but I get why based on last half of the season Beale tried a back 4 first

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