| Bonne - are we really learning? 19:42 - Jan 20 with 5195 views | davman |
I am not going to have too much of a gripe about Bonne and why it failed 0 we need to remember that he was signed when we had no strikers of our own, which is a situation we cannot get back to (hence keep Dykes until a replacement is lined up...). BUT this article:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk
contains the following lines: “QPR changed my life in certain aspects, financially they did help me out. I went from not being on a lot of money to getting a good contract for a few years".
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“They bought me for £200,000 and they flipped me a little bit later for over £2million. In any aspect of life that is a good profit margin — whether you’re selling a house, a car or a footballer. From a business perspective that was probably one of the best deals done here for a long time.”
OK I get that the recruitment team identified him as a worthwhile target and perhaps the fee and the wages were needed to get him over the line, BUT sheesh seeing all that in Black and White implies that we are talking significant amounts more than he will ever earn again here. We just don't do much of this well, do we? |  |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:23 - Jan 21 with 1186 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:09 - Jan 21 by Northernr |
There’s always a lot of focus on the transfer fee. I actually don’t think £2m for a striker who’d made double figures in a relegated team without taking penalties was too bad, and it only rose to that with clauses anyway.
What shafted us before, and risks shafting us again, here specifically and in general, is wages. The amount of times I’ve said on Twitter that last summer was expensive and been told “they were all loans and frees”… it’s wage bill that shafts you, and with Bonne we undoubtedly over paid. |
Genuine question, before the new training facilities, what did we really have in our locker to attract players other than wages and (the usually overstated) London living? |  | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:28 - Jan 21 with 1170 views | bosh67 |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:09 - Jan 21 by Northernr |
There’s always a lot of focus on the transfer fee. I actually don’t think £2m for a striker who’d made double figures in a relegated team without taking penalties was too bad, and it only rose to that with clauses anyway.
What shafted us before, and risks shafting us again, here specifically and in general, is wages. The amount of times I’ve said on Twitter that last summer was expensive and been told “they were all loans and frees”… it’s wage bill that shafts you, and with Bonne we undoubtedly over paid. |
I agree with all that Clive but do you thunk he ever really got a proper chance or run in the team? He never seemed to be given much of a chance in his time here. For the record I thought he was a better player than Washington despite being offside a lot. You pay up to £2m for a player, pay him the wages, you expect the coaching staff to look at him and work to improve what needs to be improved. He scored regularly pre-season and looked sharp and then disappeared from anyone's thinking. It's all very odd. |  |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:31 - Jan 21 with 1154 views | eastside_r |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 10:52 - Jan 21 by ngbqpr |
So when reading the linked article and ruminating over the upfront fee paid, there are two options:
One.
Go with the quote from the player
"The way the club had been going, for it to get £2m in their back pocket..."
Two.
Go with the quote from the journalist.
"...the R’s thrashed out a deal potentially worth £2million." |
Agreed. This is mostly a puff piece for Charlton fans to justify leaving them in the first place. We move on. |  | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:33 - Jan 21 with 1137 views | swisscottage |
If only we all had the power of 20-20 hindsight. |  | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:41 - Jan 21 with 1111 views | DejR_vu |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:09 - Jan 21 by Northernr |
There’s always a lot of focus on the transfer fee. I actually don’t think £2m for a striker who’d made double figures in a relegated team without taking penalties was too bad, and it only rose to that with clauses anyway.
What shafted us before, and risks shafting us again, here specifically and in general, is wages. The amount of times I’ve said on Twitter that last summer was expensive and been told “they were all loans and frees”… it’s wage bill that shafts you, and with Bonne we undoubtedly over paid. |
Also, this is someone who, upon re-signing for his former club, the first thing he has do do was explain comments made on his exit, who, by his own admission was nervous about the reception he would get from those fans. Someone who, again by his own admission, was given a very lucrative contract here and yet agitated for a move, got a loan move, was open about not wanting to come back. Right sort? Has the club really done its due diligence? He strikes me as an Aldi Hughes/Redknapp signing. | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:58 - Jan 21 with 1082 views | Hooping_Mad |
Loïc Rémy was the best we had. Heider is next on the list. | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:05 - Jan 21 with 1058 views | davman |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 10:22 - Jan 21 by francisbowles |
Andy Carroll once an expensive signing for Liverpool with nine England caps. He should look the part as he is probably costing them a lot of money.* |
I doubt he earns that much these days as a) Reading are on the naughty step, effectively on probation wrt FFP / P&S and b) there weren't that many teams fighting to sign him.
BUT, I don't know and neither do you. He is still (on the two times I have seen him this season) far, far better than our options up top. | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:05 - Jan 21 with 1054 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I always though Remy was just as disinterested as everyone else, but got around that because of moments of brilliance. | | | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:07 - Jan 21 with 1056 views | distortR |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:33 - Jan 21 by swisscottage |
If only we all had the power of 20-20 hindsight. |
I'm about 5-35 in my life.
Sounds like stokes is coming in...... | | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:08 - Jan 21 with 1045 views | davman |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:28 - Jan 21 by bosh67 |
I agree with all that Clive but do you thunk he ever really got a proper chance or run in the team? He never seemed to be given much of a chance in his time here. For the record I thought he was a better player than Washington despite being offside a lot. You pay up to £2m for a player, pay him the wages, you expect the coaching staff to look at him and work to improve what needs to be improved. He scored regularly pre-season and looked sharp and then disappeared from anyone's thinking. It's all very odd. |
I think this is THE mystery around things. He rarely looked truly awful to me and for the first half season he was with us looked a far, far better option than Dykes.
Whilst going through the motions since then, he has never been given a run. Suspect his attitude may have put managers off from giving him a go. He never had a run in a GOOD team like Dykes has had, so we'll never know.
As you say, something odd here... | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:11 - Jan 21 with 1031 views | distortR |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:08 - Jan 21 by davman |
I think this is THE mystery around things. He rarely looked truly awful to me and for the first half season he was with us looked a far, far better option than Dykes.
Whilst going through the motions since then, he has never been given a run. Suspect his attitude may have put managers off from giving him a go. He never had a run in a GOOD team like Dykes has had, so we'll never know.
As you say, something odd here... |
yeah, pre-season he got a few goals, but as soon as Dykes was fit, he was dropped. If you actually believe in yourself, can't be good for morale.
Still, fvck off Bonne, glad to see the back of the one-paced jaffa munching king of offside. | | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:17 - Jan 21 with 1011 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:05 - Jan 21 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I always though Remy was just as disinterested as everyone else, but got around that because of moments of brilliance. |
6 in 16 for us
14 in 26 ! for Newcastle.
Not to shabby. | |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:20 - Jan 21 with 1002 views | PinnerPaul |
Referencing Clive's preview - we haven't learnt to build a time machine - so no, in effect we haven't learnt what we need to!  | | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:23 - Jan 21 with 992 views | 1JD |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 11:00 - Jan 21 by Antti_Heinola |
Worth remembering:
WE DID NOT PAY £2M FOR MACAULEY BONNE.
This is the fee constantly quoted by Bonne, because it makes him sound great, but by no one else.
I'm sure it was over £1m, but certainly was never and will never be close to £2m. And if you can find a striker who scored 10+ goals in this league for a relegated side for less than £1m I wish you good luck. Still, a signing that didn't work out, and we paid too much. But it wasnt £2m. |
The vast majority of transfer deals in todays market are weighted 80/20 in terms of fee-to-add ons.
At at 2m deal, we likely sunk around 1.5/1.6m on the fee, and it sounds like no extra add-on clauses were met thankfully. I think the point a lot are making is it’s still a lot of money.
That said, for a guy who scored 11 goals in 33 championship appearances for Charlton, it seems like a reasonable punt to me. I guess the bigger issue is that it’s not the first time we’ve tried and wasted good money on a striker investment. Sylla, Washington, Bonne. | | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 14:15 - Jan 21 with 863 views | traininvain |
Bonne was a particularly poor signing because we wasted a large chunk of our limited available funds on a player who has rarely suited the system we play with one up front most of the time he’s been at the club.
This is where I would question the director of football if I was bankrolling the club. There doesn’t seem to be much joined up thinking when you consider that one of our big money signings has barely played any football for us over the past couple of years because he can’t fit into the system the manager wants to play. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 14:16]
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 17:10 - Jan 21 with 794 views | Damo1962 |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 12:23 - Jan 21 by 1JD |
The vast majority of transfer deals in todays market are weighted 80/20 in terms of fee-to-add ons.
At at 2m deal, we likely sunk around 1.5/1.6m on the fee, and it sounds like no extra add-on clauses were met thankfully. I think the point a lot are making is it’s still a lot of money.
That said, for a guy who scored 11 goals in 33 championship appearances for Charlton, it seems like a reasonable punt to me. I guess the bigger issue is that it’s not the first time we’ve tried and wasted good money on a striker investment. Sylla, Washington, Bonne. |
Bowyer and the Addicts fans, were laughing like a drain when we signed him. That might have made me a little suspicious of what we were getting. Despite the odd nuggets, our signings have been pretty poor in recent years. | | | |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 18:35 - Jan 21 with 755 views | aston_hoop |
Every time someones suggest a striker because they've scouted him on Wikipedia and seen that he can score goals in the National League or has done it at Championship level for a smaller or similar sized team, even though you have never seen them play, have any clue where they'd fit into the team or how much they're worth, I always take a read of Bonne's record and remember its not that easy. Its a bad one, we made a loss, we're not the only club to have done it and its probably just worth moving on from |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:10 - Jan 21 with 669 views | 1JD |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 18:35 - Jan 21 by aston_hoop |
Every time someones suggest a striker because they've scouted him on Wikipedia and seen that he can score goals in the National League or has done it at Championship level for a smaller or similar sized team, even though you have never seen them play, have any clue where they'd fit into the team or how much they're worth, I always take a read of Bonne's record and remember its not that easy. Its a bad one, we made a loss, we're not the only club to have done it and its probably just worth moving on from |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:10 - Jan 21 with 669 views | 1JD |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 18:35 - Jan 21 by aston_hoop |
Every time someones suggest a striker because they've scouted him on Wikipedia and seen that he can score goals in the National League or has done it at Championship level for a smaller or similar sized team, even though you have never seen them play, have any clue where they'd fit into the team or how much they're worth, I always take a read of Bonne's record and remember its not that easy. Its a bad one, we made a loss, we're not the only club to have done it and its probably just worth moving on from |
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| Bonne - are we really learning? on 21:12 - Jan 21 with 667 views | 1JD |
| Bonne - are we really learning? on 18:35 - Jan 21 by aston_hoop |
Every time someones suggest a striker because they've scouted him on Wikipedia and seen that he can score goals in the National League or has done it at Championship level for a smaller or similar sized team, even though you have never seen them play, have any clue where they'd fit into the team or how much they're worth, I always take a read of Bonne's record and remember its not that easy. Its a bad one, we made a loss, we're not the only club to have done it and its probably just worth moving on from |
I think the point people are trying to make is that mediocrity in the transfer market has a significant impact on the teams ability to progress.
That point of view is reinforced by our once small and inferior neighbours, Brentford, whether fans like it or not. They excelled in the recruitment and transfer market, and punched about their weight. We do not. | | | |
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