| Man Utd stadium on 19:50 - Mar 22 with 2570 views | Northernr |
This was absolutely inevitable. They were always going to try and pull this “stadium for the north” bullsht in return for a couple of England friendlies and the rugby league grand final. Ratcliffe’s like Branson, he likes things like sport, trains, planes that you can lean on and cream government subsidies from.
It’s bullsht and it should resisted. |  | |  |
| Man Utd stadium on 20:36 - Mar 22 with 2466 views | HAYESBOY |
Isn't there a Mayor of Manchester? Cannot see him going for this. |  |
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| Man Utd stadium on 20:46 - Mar 22 with 2425 views | perpignanR |
| Man Utd stadium on 20:36 - Mar 22 by HAYESBOY |
Isn't there a Mayor of Manchester? Cannot see him going for this. |
Not in Manchester though is it. |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 21:30 - Mar 22 with 2360 views | Clive_Anderson |
Isn't the idea that public money would help regenerate and add infrastructure around the surrounding area rather than directly fund the stadium itself?
I suppose the club would benefit as it would also raise the value of the other land they own.
Would the relocation of a rail freight hub really cost £200-300m though? | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 09:56 - Mar 23 with 1977 views | BklynRanger |
| Man Utd stadium on 20:36 - Mar 22 by HAYESBOY |
Isn't there a Mayor of Manchester? Cannot see him going for this. |
Article says he supports it I think. Ratcliffe and Burnham will have had a few meetings I'm sure, plotted about how they can leverage this to finally give Manchester its rightful place, done a bit of brainstorming about the best location for their statues. |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 13:26 - Mar 23 with 1778 views | Harbour |
They won’t need a 100k capacity stadium when they are in the championship next season.. | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 15:02 - Mar 23 with 1654 views | LazyFan |
| Man Utd stadium on 19:50 - Mar 22 by Northernr |
This was absolutely inevitable. They were always going to try and pull this “stadium for the north” bullsht in return for a couple of England friendlies and the rugby league grand final. Ratcliffe’s like Branson, he likes things like sport, trains, planes that you can lean on and cream government subsidies from.
It’s bullsht and it should resisted. |
Socalism for the rich and Capitalism for the rest of us. |  |
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| Man Utd stadium on 15:46 - Mar 23 with 1559 views | Rsole |
How will you get there from Surrey if the fast train stops in Birmingham ? |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Man Utd stadium on 15:52 - Mar 23 with 1550 views | Rsole |
And can we get a statue of the Angel Rangel of the North paid for in the same way ? | |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Man Utd stadium on 16:30 - Mar 23 with 1475 views | GaryHaddock |
I don't mind paying for a stadium (or football club in fact) as a taxpayer, as long as we get an appropriate stake in the profits made and the wider community benefits.
Quite a few municipal councils used to own football stadiums in France but less so now.
However, if it's just subsidising a football conglomerate then no thanks. |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:31 - Mar 23 with 1463 views | NewBee |
Isn't there a bit of misunderstanding over this?
Originally Jim Reaper thought he/the club should be entitled to public funding for the stadium itself - "Wembley of the North" etc - which was so deluded it's hard to know where to start.
Anyhow, someone outside his inner circle of arselickers must have had a word.
So that now the idea is that if MU spend £2bn of their own on the stadium, then public money could be provided to regenerate the whole area generally esp for public transport. So that with the stadium acting as the "flagship" for the development, everything else would benefit from a multiplier effect and draw in outside investment.
It was the same eg with the Elizabeth Line, where initially many thought it would cost far too much, never produce a return etc. But evidence since then has shown that it has brought with it valuable increases in property values along the route, commercial and domestic, which as well as producing extra Rates income for local Cpouncils, had in turn has generated extra outside investment.
Such that despite Covid and WFH etc, usage rates on the line are significantly higher than originally forecast, at the same time as usage rates on other TfL lines fell in their turn.
Or is it me who's got the wrong end of the stick? | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 17:44 - Mar 23 with 1349 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:31 - Mar 23 by NewBee |
Isn't there a bit of misunderstanding over this?
Originally Jim Reaper thought he/the club should be entitled to public funding for the stadium itself - "Wembley of the North" etc - which was so deluded it's hard to know where to start.
Anyhow, someone outside his inner circle of arselickers must have had a word.
So that now the idea is that if MU spend £2bn of their own on the stadium, then public money could be provided to regenerate the whole area generally esp for public transport. So that with the stadium acting as the "flagship" for the development, everything else would benefit from a multiplier effect and draw in outside investment.
It was the same eg with the Elizabeth Line, where initially many thought it would cost far too much, never produce a return etc. But evidence since then has shown that it has brought with it valuable increases in property values along the route, commercial and domestic, which as well as producing extra Rates income for local Cpouncils, had in turn has generated extra outside investment.
Such that despite Covid and WFH etc, usage rates on the line are significantly higher than originally forecast, at the same time as usage rates on other TfL lines fell in their turn.
Or is it me who's got the wrong end of the stick? |
No, you’re right. If the return on investment is good enough it should happen in theory albeit taking a million other factors into account. For United/Ratcliffe to claim they give a toss about the local economy is incredibly disingenuous though IMO. | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 09:58 - Mar 24 with 960 views | themodfather |
so we the tax payer, ie LONDONERS will now have to pay for man utd development? we paid for ETIHAd / commonwealth stadium, we paid for the olympics , HS! etc
they have billionaire owners and this is their issue and theirs alone. | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 10:12 - Mar 24 with 919 views | Northernr |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:31 - Mar 23 by NewBee |
Isn't there a bit of misunderstanding over this?
Originally Jim Reaper thought he/the club should be entitled to public funding for the stadium itself - "Wembley of the North" etc - which was so deluded it's hard to know where to start.
Anyhow, someone outside his inner circle of arselickers must have had a word.
So that now the idea is that if MU spend £2bn of their own on the stadium, then public money could be provided to regenerate the whole area generally esp for public transport. So that with the stadium acting as the "flagship" for the development, everything else would benefit from a multiplier effect and draw in outside investment.
It was the same eg with the Elizabeth Line, where initially many thought it would cost far too much, never produce a return etc. But evidence since then has shown that it has brought with it valuable increases in property values along the route, commercial and domestic, which as well as producing extra Rates income for local Cpouncils, had in turn has generated extra outside investment.
Such that despite Covid and WFH etc, usage rates on the line are significantly higher than originally forecast, at the same time as usage rates on other TfL lines fell in their turn.
Or is it me who's got the wrong end of the stick? |
Did the Elizabeth Line come with a 100,000 capacity stadium and enormous financial benefit for Chelsea? | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 10:17 - Mar 24 with 875 views | Juzzie |
| Man Utd stadium on 09:58 - Mar 24 by themodfather |
so we the tax payer, ie LONDONERS will now have to pay for man utd development? we paid for ETIHAd / commonwealth stadium, we paid for the olympics , HS! etc
they have billionaire owners and this is their issue and theirs alone. |
Much like the rest of the country contributed via taxes for the 2012 Olympics that was predominantly in London and regenerated that part of the city. |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 10:25 - Mar 24 with 824 views | Watford_Ranger |
Probably safe to say there are parts of the country more in need of investment than Manchester. If we need a Wembley of the north (we don’t), stick it in Blackpool or Grimsby or Scarborough. Ratcliffe can still offer his expertise I’m sure. | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 11:04 - Mar 24 with 745 views | Monkey_Roots |
Maybe Harry Maguire can do a bit of hod carrying? |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 11:43 - Mar 24 with 661 views | daveB |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:31 - Mar 23 by NewBee |
Isn't there a bit of misunderstanding over this?
Originally Jim Reaper thought he/the club should be entitled to public funding for the stadium itself - "Wembley of the North" etc - which was so deluded it's hard to know where to start.
Anyhow, someone outside his inner circle of arselickers must have had a word.
So that now the idea is that if MU spend £2bn of their own on the stadium, then public money could be provided to regenerate the whole area generally esp for public transport. So that with the stadium acting as the "flagship" for the development, everything else would benefit from a multiplier effect and draw in outside investment.
It was the same eg with the Elizabeth Line, where initially many thought it would cost far too much, never produce a return etc. But evidence since then has shown that it has brought with it valuable increases in property values along the route, commercial and domestic, which as well as producing extra Rates income for local Cpouncils, had in turn has generated extra outside investment.
Such that despite Covid and WFH etc, usage rates on the line are significantly higher than originally forecast, at the same time as usage rates on other TfL lines fell in their turn.
Or is it me who's got the wrong end of the stick? |
Elizabeth line ended up costing 10s of millions ore than originally planned, i live along the line and all its done for us is increase the number of cars parked down our road to avoid paying for parking in the station, house prices have gone up but value of our house hasn't really. On the odd day that it fancies running for more than few hours it's quite good though |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 13:44 - Mar 24 with 464 views | GroveR |
| Man Utd stadium on 10:17 - Mar 24 by Juzzie |
Much like the rest of the country contributed via taxes for the 2012 Olympics that was predominantly in London and regenerated that part of the city. |
Like that old adage of putting lipstick on a pig, Stratford is still a shìthole. |  | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 13:54 - Mar 24 with 437 views | GroveR |
| Man Utd stadium on 11:43 - Mar 24 by daveB |
Elizabeth line ended up costing 10s of millions ore than originally planned, i live along the line and all its done for us is increase the number of cars parked down our road to avoid paying for parking in the station, house prices have gone up but value of our house hasn't really. On the odd day that it fancies running for more than few hours it's quite good though |
I'm 10mins from Acton Main Line and I'd say it's been the best travel improvement since the Jubilee line. Biggest problem is when it goes wrong, it rarely goes "minor" wrong, more wrong in one of those bed-fouling incidents Northern uses to describe things like Begovic coming for a cross or Balogun sliding into challenges in his own area. | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 15:19 - Mar 24 with 295 views | daveB |
| Man Utd stadium on 13:54 - Mar 24 by GroveR |
I'm 10mins from Acton Main Line and I'd say it's been the best travel improvement since the Jubilee line. Biggest problem is when it goes wrong, it rarely goes "minor" wrong, more wrong in one of those bed-fouling incidents Northern uses to describe things like Begovic coming for a cross or Balogun sliding into challenges in his own area. |
When it works it's brilliant, I think i'm just very unlucky in picking days to go into the office when the thing does a Begovic | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:08 - Mar 24 with 177 views | TheChef |
| Man Utd stadium on 15:19 - Mar 24 by daveB |
When it works it's brilliant, I think i'm just very unlucky in picking days to go into the office when the thing does a Begovic |
I use it very rarely but pretty much every other time I use it, it has some major issue.
Mind you the Jubilee Line extension had loads of problems initially but they seemed to straighten them out; hopefully might be the same for the EL. |  |
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| Man Utd stadium on 16:38 - Mar 24 with 82 views | NewBee |
| Man Utd stadium on 10:12 - Mar 24 by Northernr |
Did the Elizabeth Line come with a 100,000 capacity stadium and enormous financial benefit for Chelsea? |
That wasn't really my point. The Lizzy Line was built with public money (imo fair enough, even if the rest of the country moaned about more spending on London etc).
Anyhow, in the wake of that, it gave a real economic boost to trade and commerce (as well as housing), including in central London, with office occupancy, both new and existing, being well ahead of the rest of the capital, which was still suffering post-covid, wfh blues.
So that with HMG spending money on transport and infrastructure in Trafford etc, normally you might hope for it to produce something similar there, never mind the additional benefit of MU also building what would be a world famous, state-of-the-art £2bn super stadium right there, too.
And I say all that as someone who has no love for MU (understatement!), much less that cynical, tax-avoiding shyster Ratcliffe (gross understatement!). | | | |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:44 - Mar 24 with 68 views | Northernr |
| Man Utd stadium on 16:38 - Mar 24 by NewBee |
That wasn't really my point. The Lizzy Line was built with public money (imo fair enough, even if the rest of the country moaned about more spending on London etc).
Anyhow, in the wake of that, it gave a real economic boost to trade and commerce (as well as housing), including in central London, with office occupancy, both new and existing, being well ahead of the rest of the capital, which was still suffering post-covid, wfh blues.
So that with HMG spending money on transport and infrastructure in Trafford etc, normally you might hope for it to produce something similar there, never mind the additional benefit of MU also building what would be a world famous, state-of-the-art £2bn super stadium right there, too.
And I say all that as someone who has no love for MU (understatement!), much less that cynical, tax-avoiding shyster Ratcliffe (gross understatement!). |
You’re talking about a commuter railway. The equivalent would then finally electrifying and high speeding the Liverpool-Hull transpenine route so half of dozen of this country’s biggest cities are no longer linked by a three carriage diesel train once or twice an hour. Would probably cost about the same as this and come with genuine benefits for all of the north.
This is a super stadium for supposedly one of the world’s richest football clubs with a few blocks of flats and a bit of a tram line slung in the side of it.
Ratcliffe knows exactly what he’s doing here, and benefits to the city and people of Manchester rank somewhere in the deep six figures on his list of priorities. | | | |
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