| Poku 14:51 - Dec 22 with 4797 views | sprocket |
Very little game time and although not fully match fit is fit enough for bench and the odd 5 or 10 minutes at the end of the game. We have plenty of options but a little frustrating we are not seeing much if him. Looking forward to seeing him more... |  | | |  |
| Poku on 11:54 - Dec 23 with 1562 views | baz_qpr |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 23 by Hunterhoop |
Yes, it doesn’t feel like Smyth is being disloyal here; perhaps the other way around…?
On the basis of his performances this season, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want to sign him. Prior to Leicester, he was ahead of Dembele and Poku in Stephan’s pecking order. He’s far better than Vale at right wing. He played very well against Birmingham. He’s also one of the only genuine (not inverted) wingers we have, and with pace. Good squad player. |
I guess this comes down to money though, he's 28 its his last "big" contract, would suspect we are offering a "squad player" wage no resell value to us and he will need to maximise his income to set him up for life. Would not be suprised to see him go at the end of the season for those reasons |  | | |
| Poku on 18:53 - Dec 23 with 1329 views | QPunkR |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 23 by Hunterhoop |
Yes, it doesn’t feel like Smyth is being disloyal here; perhaps the other way around…?
On the basis of his performances this season, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want to sign him. Prior to Leicester, he was ahead of Dembele and Poku in Stephan’s pecking order. He’s far better than Vale at right wing. He played very well against Birmingham. He’s also one of the only genuine (not inverted) wingers we have, and with pace. Good squad player. |
TBF his favoured position is LW so technically he sees himself as an inverted winger.
Often frustrating but unquestionably full-hearted player - definitely the right sort. Keep as long as he wants to sign within wage budgets |  |
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| Poku on 19:34 - Dec 23 with 1252 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Poku on 18:53 - Dec 23 by QPunkR |
TBF his favoured position is LW so technically he sees himself as an inverted winger.
Often frustrating but unquestionably full-hearted player - definitely the right sort. Keep as long as he wants to sign within wage budgets |
The frustration has shrunk a lot for me!
No one really complains about his final ball anymore. |  | | |
| Poku on 08:06 - Dec 24 with 1051 views | JamesB1979 |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 23 by Hunterhoop |
Yes, it doesn’t feel like Smyth is being disloyal here; perhaps the other way around…?
On the basis of his performances this season, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want to sign him. Prior to Leicester, he was ahead of Dembele and Poku in Stephan’s pecking order. He’s far better than Vale at right wing. He played very well against Birmingham. He’s also one of the only genuine (not inverted) wingers we have, and with pace. Good squad player. |
Why is there disloyalty on either side here? I thought article was saying they expected him to sign. On the flip side, if he wants to leave because he’s not getting enough game time, then that’s fair too. We can’t tell Stéphan to plan him more just so he signs his contract. | | | |
| Poku on 08:16 - Dec 24 with 1036 views | Hunterhoop |
| Poku on 08:06 - Dec 24 by JamesB1979 |
Why is there disloyalty on either side here? I thought article was saying they expected him to sign. On the flip side, if he wants to leave because he’s not getting enough game time, then that’s fair too. We can’t tell Stéphan to plan him more just so he signs his contract. |
I wasn’t saying any of that, anywhere in my post. Bizarre post, James.
The disloyalty I was hinting at was the fans, some on this thread, who now we have new shiny toys, like Poku, think we should not offer Smyth a contract. That is the inverse of a player being supported by a club running his contract down and walking away. It happens all the time in football (both situations) but it is disloyal. Some of our fans want to move on from him, which isn’t showing much loyalty to a decent servant.
The other hint/possibility of disloyalty is that the club could offer him a nonsense contract that forces him to reject it and walk away. They could then paint Smyth as disloyal when in actual fact, it might be the reverse. No one knows on that front, hence why it is only a possibility of reverse disloyalty, and why is posed a question rather than said anything as fact. |  | | |
| Poku on 08:22 - Dec 24 with 1020 views | JamesB1979 |
| Poku on 08:16 - Dec 24 by Hunterhoop |
I wasn’t saying any of that, anywhere in my post. Bizarre post, James.
The disloyalty I was hinting at was the fans, some on this thread, who now we have new shiny toys, like Poku, think we should not offer Smyth a contract. That is the inverse of a player being supported by a club running his contract down and walking away. It happens all the time in football (both situations) but it is disloyal. Some of our fans want to move on from him, which isn’t showing much loyalty to a decent servant.
The other hint/possibility of disloyalty is that the club could offer him a nonsense contract that forces him to reject it and walk away. They could then paint Smyth as disloyal when in actual fact, it might be the reverse. No one knows on that front, hence why it is only a possibility of reverse disloyalty, and why is posed a question rather than said anything as fact. |
I was just picking out the “disloyalty” you mentioned and you said it was the other side.
One poster expressed that opinion. And it’s just an opinion. Why is that disloyal? Why we trying to create divisions again? That to me is strange. Especially given how we’re doing this season. | | | |
| Poku on 08:39 - Dec 24 with 984 views | numptydumpty |
| Poku on 08:16 - Dec 24 by Hunterhoop |
I wasn’t saying any of that, anywhere in my post. Bizarre post, James.
The disloyalty I was hinting at was the fans, some on this thread, who now we have new shiny toys, like Poku, think we should not offer Smyth a contract. That is the inverse of a player being supported by a club running his contract down and walking away. It happens all the time in football (both situations) but it is disloyal. Some of our fans want to move on from him, which isn’t showing much loyalty to a decent servant.
The other hint/possibility of disloyalty is that the club could offer him a nonsense contract that forces him to reject it and walk away. They could then paint Smyth as disloyal when in actual fact, it might be the reverse. No one knows on that front, hence why it is only a possibility of reverse disloyalty, and why is posed a question rather than said anything as fact. |
What you can never fault Smyth for is effort and application. And he does have undoubted qualities also.
He has definitely improved in his consistency - probably now a squad option with a fully fit squad etc.
He won't be playing that much i feel if he signs for another two years and sometimes may not be on the bench either if we keep all the players we have currently.
Whether Smyth wants that for himself or whether he wants to go to another championship club where he is a first choice option and maybe is offered a bit more money. Could see him doing well at a club like Portsmouth myself.
I think we obviously will offer him a contract and quite rightly so but whether he will sign it, personally i doubt it.
He will be aware himself the squad depth and in particular the options we have in forward positions and out wide where he plays are now our strongest areas of the squad.
I think we will be saying goodbye to Smythie either in January or at the end of the season. And good luck to him from me. Has been a great little player for us over the years.
The thread is about Poku though.
And I have a feeling this guy will really kick on, given the opportunities.
He is our one big wide man. Thought you had to be five foot zero to play in such positions these days. And can see him playing centrally also, covering Kone and Burrell. Be interested to see how he could play if he occasionally was moved more centrally.
Hope he keeps fit though. Think that could be an issue with him, but fingers crossed - not. |  |
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| Poku on 09:10 - Dec 24 with 925 views | Hunterhoop |
| Poku on 08:22 - Dec 24 by JamesB1979 |
I was just picking out the “disloyalty” you mentioned and you said it was the other side.
One poster expressed that opinion. And it’s just an opinion. Why is that disloyal? Why we trying to create divisions again? That to me is strange. Especially given how we’re doing this season. |
I’m not trying to do anything.
I’ll spell it out to you, in this thread Beckenhamhoop was suggesting we bin off Smyth. Baz spoke about loyalty and I suggested that it seems this isn’t a situation where the player is being disloyal to the club but some fans being disloyal to the player. Nuanced point I thought worth making.
I’m not “trying to create divisions again”. It’s a thread with different opinions. I’m defending, and by definition backing, one of our players. Is that wrong? Give it a break. | | | |
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| Poku on 09:29 - Dec 24 with 882 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Poku on 23:12 - Dec 22 by Beckenhamhoop |
He’s only ahead of Poku and Vale at the moment because they’ve been injured. When fit, which they both are more or less now, they’re both much better footballers. I like Smyth for all the reasons you’ve listed but he’s technically rather limited and there’s little to no resale value at the end of any new contract we may offer him. With Dembele playing there as well, despite his limitations (Leicester aside), does it really make sense to have a fourth player in the same position?
I’m surprised that the club are negotiating a new contract with him tbh and, as I’ve said, I like Smyth. |
Got agree with this, and something not many on here have mentioned - it's Smyths last big contract. If I was him, and been offered a low ball contract then I'd be off.
If he doesn't sign, the club will try to sell him in January, Smyth will refuse to leave knowing he can get a bigger contract as a free agent.
In June the club says Smyth has left on a free after being offered a new deal he refused to sign.
R Block sing 'Smyth you're a c##t' when he returns in opposition colours.
Wouldn't surprise me. | |
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| Poku on 09:35 - Dec 24 with 869 views | aston_hoop |
I had absolutely no issue with Cifuentes looking elsewhere and still think he was excellent for us and would get an applause for me. I also have no problem with the club looking beyond Paul Smyth, he's 28 so has no re-sell value and he is rather limited. It's fine to move on too. |  |
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| Poku on 09:41 - Dec 24 with 852 views | JamesB1979 |
| Poku on 09:10 - Dec 24 by Hunterhoop |
I’m not trying to do anything.
I’ll spell it out to you, in this thread Beckenhamhoop was suggesting we bin off Smyth. Baz spoke about loyalty and I suggested that it seems this isn’t a situation where the player is being disloyal to the club but some fans being disloyal to the player. Nuanced point I thought worth making.
I’m not “trying to create divisions again”. It’s a thread with different opinions. I’m defending, and by definition backing, one of our players. Is that wrong? Give it a break. |
Yeah fair enough. Apologies. For what’s it’s worth I don’t see you as someone who creates divisions on here. | | | |
| Poku on 09:48 - Dec 24 with 830 views | dmm |
| Poku on 09:35 - Dec 24 by aston_hoop |
I had absolutely no issue with Cifuentes looking elsewhere and still think he was excellent for us and would get an applause for me. I also have no problem with the club looking beyond Paul Smyth, he's 28 so has no re-sell value and he is rather limited. It's fine to move on too. |
I agree with you on Smyth. If he left, we may miss him but you'd expect that or why was he here in the first place?
We have enough players for his position so if the club feels it's best to let him go and he wants a different opportunity, fair enough. I'm sure most would wish him the very best. I certainly would. |  | | |
| Poku on 10:01 - Dec 24 with 806 views | francisbowles |
Dembele, Saito, Vale, Poku, Kolli - how many of those are or will be regular 90 minute players? Chair has been but has had four or five lengthy injuries in the last sixteen months.
Smyth is quicker than any of the alternatives and has a decent fitness record and plenty of stamina. I think, like Albert, he could go on for many years as a squad player.
If we can afford all these wide options and he wants to stay, then I hope a deal can be reached as it was with Jimmy. | | | |
| Poku on 10:55 - Dec 24 with 720 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Poku on 10:01 - Dec 24 by francisbowles |
Dembele, Saito, Vale, Poku, Kolli - how many of those are or will be regular 90 minute players? Chair has been but has had four or five lengthy injuries in the last sixteen months.
Smyth is quicker than any of the alternatives and has a decent fitness record and plenty of stamina. I think, like Albert, he could go on for many years as a squad player.
If we can afford all these wide options and he wants to stay, then I hope a deal can be reached as it was with Jimmy. |
I find this idea that clubs are loyal to players or that players are loyal to clubs for any other reason than money and self interest rather touching in its naivety. [Post edited 24 Dec 10:57]
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| Poku on 11:03 - Dec 24 with 690 views | 7374Ranger |
| Poku on 15:40 - Dec 22 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’d be surprised if the club weren’t offering anything other than a very low contract. Poku, Dembele (especially after the Leicester game) and a fit Vale are better options IMHO. [Post edited 22 Dec 15:42]
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Vale is not good enough on the right wing. He doesn't take players on and always looks to cut in on his left foot to shoot. He should play on the left instead (if good enough to displace Saito or Chair).
As for Poku, it would be good to see him start at least one of the four festive fixtures. We have so far, only seen glimpses of what he can do. | | | |
| Poku on 11:15 - Dec 24 with 665 views | 7374Ranger |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 23 by Hunterhoop |
Yes, it doesn’t feel like Smyth is being disloyal here; perhaps the other way around…?
On the basis of his performances this season, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want to sign him. Prior to Leicester, he was ahead of Dembele and Poku in Stephan’s pecking order. He’s far better than Vale at right wing. He played very well against Birmingham. He’s also one of the only genuine (not inverted) wingers we have, and with pace. Good squad player. |
Don't forget his willingness to track back and make tackles (some very good ones too).
He can also move over to the left wing if required.
Oh and not all players have to have much of a resale value when approaching the end of their contracts . Although if he was re-signed on a 3 year deal and QPR wanted to sell him in 18 months time, I am confident that they could sell him to a promotion chasing League 1 club for £500k or more. They sold Dykes for £1m. | | | |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 24 with 655 views | 7374Ranger |
| Poku on 08:16 - Dec 24 by Hunterhoop |
I wasn’t saying any of that, anywhere in my post. Bizarre post, James.
The disloyalty I was hinting at was the fans, some on this thread, who now we have new shiny toys, like Poku, think we should not offer Smyth a contract. That is the inverse of a player being supported by a club running his contract down and walking away. It happens all the time in football (both situations) but it is disloyal. Some of our fans want to move on from him, which isn’t showing much loyalty to a decent servant.
The other hint/possibility of disloyalty is that the club could offer him a nonsense contract that forces him to reject it and walk away. They could then paint Smyth as disloyal when in actual fact, it might be the reverse. No one knows on that front, hence why it is only a possibility of reverse disloyalty, and why is posed a question rather than said anything as fact. |
Didn't Leyton Orient offer him more money to stay with them? I don't think many of us would consider him disloyal if the club tried that stunt. | | | |
| Poku on 13:13 - Dec 24 with 541 views | Hunterhoop |
| Poku on 10:55 - Dec 24 by Beckenhamhoop |
I find this idea that clubs are loyal to players or that players are loyal to clubs for any other reason than money and self interest rather touching in its naivety. [Post edited 24 Dec 10:57]
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It’s wishful thinking, sure, but it’s this type of behaviour that builds culture or harms it.
I think we’d miss Smyth more than many think. | | | |
| Poku on 13:31 - Dec 24 with 498 views | Hunterhoop |
| Poku on 11:15 - Dec 24 by 7374Ranger |
Don't forget his willingness to track back and make tackles (some very good ones too).
He can also move over to the left wing if required.
Oh and not all players have to have much of a resale value when approaching the end of their contracts . Although if he was re-signed on a 3 year deal and QPR wanted to sell him in 18 months time, I am confident that they could sell him to a promotion chasing League 1 club for £500k or more. They sold Dykes for £1m. |
I like the Player Trading strategy. Agree that it is the only way we become more and more competitive.
But:
a) not every player needs to be signed/renewed with a view to being sold for money. That is myopic. Many do, especially the ones we pay transfer fees for, but not everyone. Performance on the pitch, the balance of the squad, the skills they bring (in Smyth’s case pace and workrate), the role they play within the dressing room culture…all these and more factor into decision making. You can renew or sign players accepting you won’t sell for a profit. That is okay. It can’t everyone but it can be some.
b) not everyone in a squad can be a starter. You need squad players who are happy to get decent game time whilst not starting every week. Smyth fulfils that role.
c) I personally think he is excellent within the dressing room in terms of how he gets on with others (see Saito)
To be clear, I wouldn’t offer Smyth a top salary because, whilst I think he deserves to start currently (Dembele has done it once all season, and Poku is feeling his way back in), he is likely to be a very good back up on the right (yes, I know he used to play inverted on the left at Orient, but at this level he is more effective on his true side).
But I think he deserves an extension, is an important member of the squad. If he chooses not to take it, that’s his choice. If he turns it down because it’s a derisory offer and signs for the likes of Millwall or Charlton, I’d hope Q block aren’t so naive as to sing he’s a c*** when he returns.
And I think some fans are too quick to dismiss him just because some shiny new players are here. Don’t underestimate, pace, availability, and work rate in this league. | | | |
| Poku on 13:32 - Dec 24 with 492 views | Hunterhoop |
| Poku on 11:19 - Dec 24 by 7374Ranger |
Didn't Leyton Orient offer him more money to stay with them? I don't think many of us would consider him disloyal if the club tried that stunt. |
Orient offered him more money than we offered and he chose us because he really wanted to return here and show he was good enough. | | | |
| Poku on 14:59 - Dec 24 with 379 views | QPunkR |
| Poku on 19:34 - Dec 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The frustration has shrunk a lot for me!
No one really complains about his final ball anymore. |
Definitely agree. There's was a match a few games ago where he returned to his former self but generally over the last 9-12 months he's appreciably improved his final ball and decision making. Maybe I'm imagining things but he's even diving a bit less than before | |
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| Poku on 15:41 - Dec 24 with 332 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Poku on 19:34 - Dec 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The frustration has shrunk a lot for me!
No one really complains about his final ball anymore. |
Did you watch the Boro game last week? Twice, when at 0-0 Smyth went through and had options, and picked the wrong option both times. Not good.
I do hope he stays though as I think he is a big personality that is a massive influence off the pitch. Watch his reaction to the Leicester goals, but......
He isn't going to be offered a big money contract, and will he want to be a backup?
Part of me hopes he goes back to Leyton Orient, on more money as a starter, and ripes it up. | |
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| Poku on 15:54 - Dec 24 with 312 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Poku on 15:40 - Dec 22 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’d be surprised if the club weren’t offering anything other than a very low contract. Poku, Dembele (especially after the Leicester game) and a fit Vale are better options IMHO. [Post edited 22 Dec 15:42]
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Really unjust imo. Smyth (unlike Poku and, still, Dembele) has really proven his worth, and we should definitely be renewing him on respectful terms. |  |
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| Poku on 15:55 - Dec 24 with 306 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Poku on 09:54 - Dec 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think I get how loyalty works now.
- Marti is a cnt because his agent enquired with West Brom
- Smyth can fck off as soon as a 'more technically gifted, better player' is available [Post edited 23 Dec 9:54]
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Apples and pears. | |
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| Poku on 16:28 - Dec 24 with 249 views | simmo |
Smyth is the ultimate squad player. Our best defensive winger as an option against better teams, direct and pacey against others, and a brilliant impact sub against tired defences. His end product is why he's in this league, and shouldn't start for us with everyone available, but he's more than earned a decent deal in that context.
As for Poku, I don't know why he's fit enough for 10mins in one game, gets taken and unused at Boro, then only gets a few mins in a game won by half time. I think it's right to be careful, but until he trusts his body he won't be at his best, and the only way to do that is on the pitch. Hopefully the aim is starting games in Jan |  |
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