| Chair 14:56 - Dec 22 with 6872 views | NW5Hoop |
Does he fit into our strongest XI these days? I'm not sure he does any longer. We all know he takes a long time on the ball, and we look at our best moving quickly, not relying on dribblers. And, really, has he actually got any better in the last few seasons?
For a long time he was our most creative player. Not having a dig at him. I just don't think he is any more. |  | | |  |
| Chair on 10:40 - Dec 24 with 1992 views | davman |
| Chair on 17:50 - Dec 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
So your opinion is that Chair is far better than the other four attacking midfielders who seemed to do ok against Leicester. Good for you. My opinion (and others on this thread) is different: hardly ‘fabricating things’……. |
Fair enough. Still interested in which of the four I mention you think are better than Chair though... |  |
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| Chair on 11:05 - Dec 24 with 1889 views | W7Ranger |
The only player that's playing consistantly well enough in a "similarish" position so far this season is Madsen.
Of the "wingers", best player probably Smyth.
So Chair gets in the first 11 on experience/consistancy and is also probably the hardest working player (in both directions) that we have. |  | | |
| Chair on 11:38 - Dec 24 with 1810 views | Geoff78 |
Chair carried this club for 2 or 3 years and works hard all over the pitch and in training according to Madsen. I think we would have been relegated without him. I wonder if his recent injury problems stem from some of that workload.
Still one of the first names on the team sheet for me, as recent performances have shown, but it's good to have choices. | | | |
| Chair on 11:40 - Dec 24 with 1802 views | simmo |
| Chair on 15:12 - Dec 22 by Myke |
Dear me, we play well for one (1) game without him and suddenly he's surplus to requirements. 'Standards' has been a buzz word on here this season. Nobody epitomises high standards on the pitch better than Chair. It wonderful that we now are no longer totally reliant on him as we once were. ƁUT he remains our best player and fist name on the team sheet when fit. [Post edited 22 Dec 15:22]
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Thanks for this, saves me writing it |  |
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| Chair on 12:13 - Dec 24 with 1700 views | corse |
Starting XI. Yes
Best player. No
When on the pitch:
Frustrating. Yes
Set pieces. No | | | |
| Chair on 12:16 - Dec 24 with 1690 views | swisscottage |
Chair is the only player in the squad other than Madsen, I feel totally confident isn't going to give the ball away cheaply.
despite Saito's and Dembele's improved recent performances, they are both regularly culpable in giving the ball away cheaply, often leading to goal threatening or scoring attacks by the opposition.
For me Chair is the first name on the team sheet when fully fit closely followed by Madsen | | | |
| Chair on 12:23 - Dec 24 with 1680 views | nix |
Not sure anyone should be an automatic choice. Nearest to this maybe Madsen but largely because he’s not got anyone really competing with him who can play a similar role (Hayden and Field are different kind of players.
I’d like to see him playing often enough to keep match fitness but also to allow for some rotation. Absolutely recognise what he’s done for the club. But that doesn’t mean he should automatically play. Allowing for rest in a demanding role is not a bad thing.
Also I think there’s a horses for courses argument. Some teams we may need to play with more pace, others with more guile, where Chair really comes into his own. We’re absolutely lucky to have this dilemma. |  | | |
| Chair on 14:02 - Dec 24 with 1562 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Chair on 12:23 - Dec 24 by nix |
Not sure anyone should be an automatic choice. Nearest to this maybe Madsen but largely because he’s not got anyone really competing with him who can play a similar role (Hayden and Field are different kind of players.
I’d like to see him playing often enough to keep match fitness but also to allow for some rotation. Absolutely recognise what he’s done for the club. But that doesn’t mean he should automatically play. Allowing for rest in a demanding role is not a bad thing.
Also I think there’s a horses for courses argument. Some teams we may need to play with more pace, others with more guile, where Chair really comes into his own. We’re absolutely lucky to have this dilemma. |
Excellent point as usual Nix and for the first time in years we have options.
Watched an excellent video from Hoops and Dreams last night and they showed our probable line up for Friday then followed it up a second 11 including Chair and it was amazing the choices we have with those 22 players.What a lovely change it bodes well for the winter slog .
How do we feel about Nardi ,is he getting screwed over by the club or is that simply the role of a back up keeper now |  | | |
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| Chair on 14:11 - Dec 24 with 1547 views | nix |
| Chair on 14:02 - Dec 24 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Excellent point as usual Nix and for the first time in years we have options.
Watched an excellent video from Hoops and Dreams last night and they showed our probable line up for Friday then followed it up a second 11 including Chair and it was amazing the choices we have with those 22 players.What a lovely change it bodes well for the winter slog .
How do we feel about Nardi ,is he getting screwed over by the club or is that simply the role of a back up keeper now |
I agree the Hoops and Dreams point was great. As for Nardi it’s a problem as he’s got the second worse stats in the Championship for collecting crosses. He’s also 24/29 in save %. I know stats aren’t everything but I think they’re a bit more informative re: goalkeepers. | | | |
| Chair on 14:28 - Dec 24 with 1489 views | Loyalitat |
| Chair on 12:16 - Dec 24 by swisscottage |
Chair is the only player in the squad other than Madsen, I feel totally confident isn't going to give the ball away cheaply.
despite Saito's and Dembele's improved recent performances, they are both regularly culpable in giving the ball away cheaply, often leading to goal threatening or scoring attacks by the opposition.
For me Chair is the first name on the team sheet when fully fit closely followed by Madsen |
Totally agree with your observation re: Saito's and Dembele's propensity to either give the ball away cheaply or be easily dispossesed when passes are played to their feet due to their inability to largely withstand physical challenges made by the opposition.
It's most marked away from home, where to date neither has really excelled especially when they have been selected to start. | | | |
| Chair on 14:34 - Dec 24 with 1467 views | Myke |
| Chair on 12:23 - Dec 24 by nix |
Not sure anyone should be an automatic choice. Nearest to this maybe Madsen but largely because he’s not got anyone really competing with him who can play a similar role (Hayden and Field are different kind of players.
I’d like to see him playing often enough to keep match fitness but also to allow for some rotation. Absolutely recognise what he’s done for the club. But that doesn’t mean he should automatically play. Allowing for rest in a demanding role is not a bad thing.
Also I think there’s a horses for courses argument. Some teams we may need to play with more pace, others with more guile, where Chair really comes into his own. We’re absolutely lucky to have this dilemma. |
I fully recognise that Madsen is playing really well this season (although I felt his form dipped prior to `Birmingham and he was bossed - as they all were tbf - by Middlesbrough) and Saturday was his best game yet. BUT he has not yet earned the right to be spoken in the same breath as Chair. When he consistently performs over a longer period of time than 20 odd games (like 2 seasons if we keep him that long) then I will accept his contribution as being significant.
For me, Chair is ‘Mr QPR’ - consistently performing at a very level year on year, for several years. We missed him sorely last season and his impact on his return was immediate. Of course he doesn’t always play well, but he never hides (unlike Madsen last season) and never shirks responsibility. I am a huge believer in loyalty (which why I feel Frey deserves more respect than he gets) and for me Chair deserves all the credit in the world. One area I do agree that Madsen is more effective is set pieces and he should stay on them even when Chair is on the pitch. | | | |
| Chair on 16:20 - Dec 24 with 1392 views | simmo |
| Chair on 12:13 - Dec 24 by corse |
Starting XI. Yes
Best player. No
When on the pitch:
Frustrating. Yes
Set pieces. No |
Chair is our best player and has been for about 5 years. I think Poku will run him close if he ever gets on the pitch for a stretch, and Kone too eventually, but he's a really high level Championship player that has been a model of consistency up until recent injury issues. | |
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| Chair on 18:53 - Dec 26 with 1146 views | TK1 |
Chair would've been a huge improvement on Saito or Dembele today, and as the 10 behind Burrell instead of Kone as well. Definitely fits into the best XI these days (or any days in the immediate future). Would've kept and used the ball better than any of the other forwards we have this afternoon. Can also commit to a tackle unlike Saito or Dembele, both of whom are lovely players but the garnish, not the substance. Chair is the ringleader. He and Poku will transform this team in the spring.
Shame he wasn't in the squad today. | | | |
| Chair on 20:19 - Dec 26 with 951 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Does there have to be a choice? Modern football is a squad game and with so many matches in the Championship we'll need everyone to contribute. |  | | |
| Chair on 20:33 - Dec 26 with 911 views | Watford_Ranger |
Good example today to suggest yes he very much does. Might have put his foot on the ball for start rather than it bouncing off the two wingers we did start. | | | |
| Chair on 21:56 - Dec 26 with 778 views | dmm |
I'm hoping Chair is fit for the WBA match and if at all possible, to start. I felt we really missed him today. |  | | |
| Chair on 22:13 - Dec 26 with 735 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Chair on 18:53 - Dec 26 by TK1 |
Chair would've been a huge improvement on Saito or Dembele today, and as the 10 behind Burrell instead of Kone as well. Definitely fits into the best XI these days (or any days in the immediate future). Would've kept and used the ball better than any of the other forwards we have this afternoon. Can also commit to a tackle unlike Saito or Dembele, both of whom are lovely players but the garnish, not the substance. Chair is the ringleader. He and Poku will transform this team in the spring.
Shame he wasn't in the squad today. |
The wait to see them together in this team seems to be taking an eternity. Agree that when both are up to speed, Saito and Dembele will be benched. Both poor today, although Dembele improved in the second half. | | | |
| Chair on 02:01 - Dec 27 with 549 views | Myke |
| Chair on 18:53 - Dec 26 by TK1 |
Chair would've been a huge improvement on Saito or Dembele today, and as the 10 behind Burrell instead of Kone as well. Definitely fits into the best XI these days (or any days in the immediate future). Would've kept and used the ball better than any of the other forwards we have this afternoon. Can also commit to a tackle unlike Saito or Dembele, both of whom are lovely players but the garnish, not the substance. Chair is the ringleader. He and Poku will transform this team in the spring.
Shame he wasn't in the squad today. |
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| Chair on 07:31 - Dec 27 with 389 views | nix |
| Chair on 22:13 - Dec 26 by Burnleyhoop |
The wait to see them together in this team seems to be taking an eternity. Agree that when both are up to speed, Saito and Dembele will be benched. Both poor today, although Dembele improved in the second half. |
We had a thread about the inconsistency before, I think it was the Harvey Vale thread. I know players are going to have good and bad days but Saito, Dembele and Vale seem to veer from the heights and depths more than usual. It’s a shame because they’re so important to our attacking efforts the way we play. Because we only really have a two-man midfield we can’t really attack so much through the centre so we’re relying on them to be our creative outlet. | | | |
| Chair on 08:06 - Dec 27 with 334 views | FDC |
| Chair on 07:31 - Dec 27 by nix |
We had a thread about the inconsistency before, I think it was the Harvey Vale thread. I know players are going to have good and bad days but Saito, Dembele and Vale seem to veer from the heights and depths more than usual. It’s a shame because they’re so important to our attacking efforts the way we play. Because we only really have a two-man midfield we can’t really attack so much through the centre so we’re relying on them to be our creative outlet. |
100% I said on the Leicester match thread how amazing it was to see both flanks firing, it hasn't really happened before and makes such a difference. |  | | |
| Chair on 09:43 - Dec 27 with 237 views | davman |
| Chair on 07:31 - Dec 27 by nix |
We had a thread about the inconsistency before, I think it was the Harvey Vale thread. I know players are going to have good and bad days but Saito, Dembele and Vale seem to veer from the heights and depths more than usual. It’s a shame because they’re so important to our attacking efforts the way we play. Because we only really have a two-man midfield we can’t really attack so much through the centre so we’re relying on them to be our creative outlet. |
Aside from his first game this season, Saito has been amazingly anonymous. Not looking like good business at the moment.
How Hayden has not had a look in for the last few weeks is beyond me as in his first 5 minutes yesterday he drove the team forward with positive runs, whereas Varane continues to play backwards most time he gets the ball. Should have taken the £5m if it really was on the table during the summer.
Dembele has had a couple of good games, but was back to his ineffectual worst yesterday.
Missed Chair massively yesterday. No-one looking for the ball, no-one retaining possession and little cover for the full backs... [Post edited 27 Dec 11:02]
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| Chair on 09:59 - Dec 27 with 206 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Chair on 07:31 - Dec 27 by nix |
We had a thread about the inconsistency before, I think it was the Harvey Vale thread. I know players are going to have good and bad days but Saito, Dembele and Vale seem to veer from the heights and depths more than usual. It’s a shame because they’re so important to our attacking efforts the way we play. Because we only really have a two-man midfield we can’t really attack so much through the centre so we’re relying on them to be our creative outlet. |
What I find most frustrating and which JS mentioned yet again yesterday in his post match, is the lack of intensity in the first half, and this runs across the entire team. We were playing so deep with little or no press, simply allowing their keeper to come out with the ball 10 yards outside of his own penalty box, time after time.
My 23 year old ( Man City supporting) son came round to watch the game with me but left at half time, utterly stupefied by the performance, particularly having watched the Leicester game last week.
These tap on, tap off performances are our Achilles heel, although this lack of consistency runs throughout the Championship and is not confined to us alone. To make real progress, JS needs to find the answers to what in truth, is the holy grail of successful football teams. Consistency.and mental fortitude. | | | |
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