| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) 11:39 - Jan 18 with 10062 views | stainrods_elbow |
In the interests of grim research, and as an antidote to those on here on think that a point in the bag because we have a couple of players missing justifies murdering the game of football (note the manager's scary delight in his post-match interview), I sifted all 23 pages of the match thread on the Stoke City Oatcake Fanzine for some sane balance. (As Nietzsche puts it, you keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.)
Suffice to say, some of the contributions evinced a measure of wit our so-called 'football team' were unable to dredge up in 100 minutes of death-by-football.
'What a horrible team to have to watch. Difficult to break down sure but dull as hell.'
'That is just straight up cheating from the keeper... No one anywhere near him, no twist or stretch, simply sat down so that the manager can have a team talk!'
'Was that a pre planned 20 minute break by QPR?'
'I now know why I don’t like QPR.'
'These lot have got no interest in playing football today. Time wasting, cheating, b*stards.'
'QPR are the only team I've ever seen that are looking to waste time even when in attacking situations.'
'QPR really are an absolute yeast infection of a football team.'
'Genuinely, ever since I was a kid they’ve always been shit, I’m amazed they’re even above League 2.'
'It’s no surprise that a side that has Rhys Norrington-Davies in the lineup are a bunch of clogging sh*thouse w*nkers.'
'The combination of QPR and the ref have made this game almost impossible to watch.'
'Is there a QPR player yet to spend time on his backside "injured"?'
'Someone ought to start a chant of you’re just a sh*t f*cking Millwall.'
'These lot are an absolute disgrace.'
'It's football, but not as we know it.'
'Hope all of QPR’s squad get syphilis. (Harsh on syphillis, wishing it on them.)'
'But that would mean they'd at least get a shag. Maybe typhoid or dysentry?'
'Negative, dire, cynical, turgid sh*tball from QPR.'
'I worry about QPR as a going concern cos who the hell is going to keep buying tickets to watch this sh*t?'
'I wouldn't pay a penny to watch QPR, shocking football team.'
'A textbook anti-football team.'
'That's the first side all season to sit like that all match versus us.'
'QPR, I don't know what they call their style, but it isn't football. Mostly chippy cheap shots then flop and whine in front of a parked bus.'
'If you’re a QPR fan you would be totally embarrassed at that performance.'
'I imagine their team coach will go home in reverse.'
And there you have it, people! If you're a QPR fan and that doesn't make you put your head in your hands for the rest of the weekend, I don't know what to say to you. As the usual suspects on here love to cluster together and tell me why I need to listen to the self-appointed consensus of 'adults in the room' because, apparently, I'm delusional if I don't, I'm sure they'll be only too pleased to apply the same logic here. Hell might be other people, but, as I've been told, when other people (and especially, of all people, Stoke fans, who've hardly been reared on Barcaball) are telling you you're a stain on the game, it's time to wake up and see the bigger picture.
Stoke weren't much cop, for sure, but at least if they'd won 3-1 as they still deserved to, we might have been spared the toe-curling post-match bullshit about our 'resilience'. Personally, on aesthetic grounds (newsflash - football is entertainment), I'd rather we sink down the table into League One playing 'football' like that. (For the same reason, I still feel hurt to this day that the team that played all the football in the 1982 FA Cup Replay didn't win.)
In the end, those who have minds of their own can decide for themselves. A revolt into style or the wretched 'means justify the end'? Points at all cost or the beautiful game? Cynicism or idealism? Whose side are you on? (I'm on QPR's a close second, but football's first.)
Here's my view: After yesterday, JS can shove a baguette where the sun don't shine! And if the owners don't agree, they can choke on merde too.
PS For those attending on Tuesday, I'm sure the Oxford game is going to be a footballing feast!
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:23 - Jan 18 with 1430 views | actonman |
Look , we were an abomination yesterday, no argument. Was that the worse I’ve seen us play in the last couple of years ? Not by a country mile ! We put out performances like that frequently and lose .
Sjoke fans getting riled up because of it is fking hilarious since they spent the best part of their recent top flight attendance doing exactly the same thing albeit with players much better than we had out there yesterday.
Maybe I’ve got used to the frequency of horror shows and bum gobbing ie Coventry , Blackpool , Leicester, Newcastle , Fulham , wba , Burnley , the fking list goes on and on so to not be on the end of another one of those and come away with a point while p!sing off stoke is a bonus !
We have Coventry again next week with the same clientele at our disposal so will save my outrage until then |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:32 - Jan 18 with 1381 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:22 - Jan 18 by JamesB1979 |
You really are the master of staying the bleeding obvious. It’s obviously that simple and everyone else is just stupid. How do we do that? Change formation? Change players? Manager???
We went with a significantly depleted squad. We lack a progressive ball playing centre half. Hopefully Edwards will change that. That for me will make a big difference. Also I’d say Thomas and Jun Ho are significantly better players than we have available currently. We are struggling away currently, we had to try and reverse that. Finding a solution to these things takes time and especially when we have so many injuries. We’re 11th. |
O, go to bed - I get accused of being 'destructive' (as if critical thinking was some kind of devilry), then I state things more constructively only to be bawled out by idiots like you. If it's the 'bleeding obvious', why aren't we doing it then? We had 3/4 players out, not a whole team! If you reckon yesterday was Ok in the circs, you're a football moron, as well as an utter cynic.
Stoke actually have injuries to 9 (NINE) players now, plus their lad breaking his leg yesterday, but managed not to play like non-league cloggers.
Why not try actually engaging with e.g. my serious point about our coach setting us up, primarily, to cheat and not to play football? Is it because that would mean you being a grown-up? If that's fine for you, do us both a favour, and don't talk to me.
I'd be very puzzled if Clive's match review, which I look forward to, doesn't replicate quite a lot of my 'bleeding obvious' obs (with his eloquent love of words that I also get slated for - go figure!) - but, if it does, something tells me you'll be keeping your mouth shut in that case, as you're patently another one who plays the man and not the ball.
Next! [Post edited 18 Jan 14:44]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:40 - Jan 18 with 1330 views | JamesB1979 |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:32 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
O, go to bed - I get accused of being 'destructive' (as if critical thinking was some kind of devilry), then I state things more constructively only to be bawled out by idiots like you. If it's the 'bleeding obvious', why aren't we doing it then? We had 3/4 players out, not a whole team! If you reckon yesterday was Ok in the circs, you're a football moron, as well as an utter cynic.
Stoke actually have injuries to 9 (NINE) players now, plus their lad breaking his leg yesterday, but managed not to play like non-league cloggers.
Why not try actually engaging with e.g. my serious point about our coach setting us up, primarily, to cheat and not to play football? Is it because that would mean you being a grown-up? If that's fine for you, do us both a favour, and don't talk to me.
I'd be very puzzled if Clive's match review, which I look forward to, doesn't replicate quite a lot of my 'bleeding obvious' obs (with his eloquent love of words that I also get slated for - go figure!) - but, if it does, something tells me you'll be keeping your mouth shut in that case, as you're patently another one who plays the man and not the ball.
Next! [Post edited 18 Jan 14:44]
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You only said something constructive when I asked you to. Saying be more progressive and pass it more and create more chances is fine but it’s not that simple. You call fans “mugs” for going to games, you say “pass to each other” as if it’s some footballing genius philosophy, yet I’m the “idiot”. Does it require a change of formation or players or even manager?? Or are you seriously suggesting that the manager and players deliberately decided not to pass each other. |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:40 - Jan 18 with 1327 views | Boston |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 13:41 - Jan 18 by captainmycaptian |
Yes I agree rangers have usually play nice football and entertaining to boot. Child of the 80s for reference. But it comes down to the result on Wednesday get a win then a point away at stoke looks different relatively. Also if we make the playoffs by a point then this will have made the season. Hindsight is great but who has it at the right time its a draw better than getting smashed . Let's see how the season goes. Some big games coming up. Am sure we managed to draw or win nasty in our promotional seasons ? [Post edited 18 Jan 23:10]
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We used to play mice football, yesterday we played like a bunch of rats. But, I didn't have much of a problem with that as the biggest issue from my point of view was not to lose. Last week we played well, and lost, I don't feel comfortable enduring losing streaks and I'm sure it doesn't do much for the atmosphere in the dressing room. Having a squad who can grind it out when necessary is all right with me, we'll play better when the luxury arises. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:46 - Jan 18 with 1288 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:40 - Jan 18 by Boston |
We used to play mice football, yesterday we played like a bunch of rats. But, I didn't have much of a problem with that as the biggest issue from my point of view was not to lose. Last week we played well, and lost, I don't feel comfortable enduring losing streaks and I'm sure it doesn't do much for the atmosphere in the dressing room. Having a squad who can grind it out when necessary is all right with me, we'll play better when the luxury arises. |
As I say, that's the difference between you and me. I'd rather lose having a go. If yesterday's football funeral is the price worth paying to get a (lucky) point - Robins is right it should have been 2-0 - count me out! | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:50 - Jan 18 with 1261 views | Stanisgod |
A COUPLE of players missing, seriously. I have to guffaw at some of the comments about our football when Stoke are historically known for awful hoof it up and chase it football. Pullis springs to mind for a start. And didn't their goalkeeper once attack a player ?
Have they said the same about Preston for the last 10 years ? Probably not.
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:00 - Jan 18 with 1190 views | francisbowles |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:50 - Jan 18 by Stanisgod |
A COUPLE of players missing, seriously. I have to guffaw at some of the comments about our football when Stoke are historically known for awful hoof it up and chase it football. Pullis springs to mind for a start. And didn't their goalkeeper once attack a player ?
Have they said the same about Preston for the last 10 years ? Probably not.
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Say something again and again, ad nauseum, and it becomes fact!
He's been told by several posters but refuses to accept it was many more. Anyone a bit less dogmatic and doubling down on their statement, would look at the bench yesterday and see some names that have never featured or only recently been in the matchday squad. They might then modify their comments and other fans might be more receptive.
But no not SE. No chance. Never. He's always right.
....and before any response from him, no I don't want to go to bed. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:07 - Jan 18 with 1164 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:00 - Jan 18 by francisbowles |
Say something again and again, ad nauseum, and it becomes fact!
He's been told by several posters but refuses to accept it was many more. Anyone a bit less dogmatic and doubling down on their statement, would look at the bench yesterday and see some names that have never featured or only recently been in the matchday squad. They might then modify their comments and other fans might be more receptive.
But no not SE. No chance. Never. He's always right.
....and before any response from him, no I don't want to go to bed. |
A 'couple' is a figure of speech, for the persecutory pedants on here. We had 3 probable starters out, as I've repeatedly said (Burrell, Chair, Saito), plus the intermittent Poku. Varane has not been selected to start of late, and I regard his absence as a blessing. JCS hardly counts as he hasn't played for what feels like forever.
Stoke - which seems to have been mysteriously occulted - actually have injuries to NINE players right now, but does that mean they play like a cheating pub side with an inferiority complex? Miraculously, it does not. (They also put Coventry out of the cup.)
Clearly, one or two (for reclarification, it's a figure of speech) don't want to deal with counter-arguments, and would rather just try to treat me like a punchbag. [Post edited 18 Jan 15:10]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:17 - Jan 18 with 1131 views | tonyQPR |
Fjuck stjoke and what they think of us.
I spent 60mins yesterday watching their back 3 pass it between themselves with no intent on moving the ball forward at all.
# loftforwords glossary……. Don’t feed the troll. [Post edited 18 Jan 15:20]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:24 - Jan 18 with 1092 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:17 - Jan 18 by tonyQPR |
Fjuck stjoke and what they think of us.
I spent 60mins yesterday watching their back 3 pass it between themselves with no intent on moving the ball forward at all.
# loftforwords glossary……. Don’t feed the troll. [Post edited 18 Jan 15:20]
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Are you for real?
They had an embarrassing 73% possession, 12 goal attempts, 50% more forward passes, four times as many successful final third passes, and three times as many crosses. And that's before we get onto all our gamesmanship and cheating. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:26 - Jan 18 with 1082 views | francisbowles |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:07 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
A 'couple' is a figure of speech, for the persecutory pedants on here. We had 3 probable starters out, as I've repeatedly said (Burrell, Chair, Saito), plus the intermittent Poku. Varane has not been selected to start of late, and I regard his absence as a blessing. JCS hardly counts as he hasn't played for what feels like forever.
Stoke - which seems to have been mysteriously occulted - actually have injuries to NINE players right now, but does that mean they play like a cheating pub side with an inferiority complex? Miraculously, it does not. (They also put Coventry out of the cup.)
Clearly, one or two (for reclarification, it's a figure of speech) don't want to deal with counter-arguments, and would rather just try to treat me like a punchbag. [Post edited 18 Jan 15:10]
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Well as has already been pointed out, it is a matchday squad of 20 so it is clearly a lot more than you are alluding to. Btw Morrison was named as a starter against Sheffield Wednesday before his injury. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:33 - Jan 18 with 1052 views | tonyQPR |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:24 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Are you for real?
They had an embarrassing 73% possession, 12 goal attempts, 50% more forward passes, four times as many successful final third passes, and three times as many crosses. And that's before we get onto all our gamesmanship and cheating. |
Go on then I’ll bite this time only. 60 mins passing the ball at the back amongst themselves.
Off course they’ve dominated possession lol 😂 | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:40 - Jan 18 with 1022 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:33 - Jan 18 by tonyQPR |
Go on then I’ll bite this time only. 60 mins passing the ball at the back amongst themselves.
Off course they’ve dominated possession lol 😂 |
Wow, that's told me, I don't think. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:40 - Jan 18 with 1022 views | kensalriser |
That was a good laugh. Opposition fans fulminating with impotent rage because their mediocre team has failed to beat our mediocre team is always entertaining. |  |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:44 - Jan 18 with 1007 views | LowerloftLad |
They have to live in Stoke,so let the poor sods rant.
When I think of stoke,I think about the fan who attacked Simon Royce years ago"so f£%k em"
Add to the fact Stoke sticking 11 big brutes and smashing the ball 40 yards up into air is what Stoke became famous for in their Premier league years. "So what are the complaing about"? [Post edited 18 Jan 15:57]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:45 - Jan 18 with 999 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:40 - Jan 18 by kensalriser |
That was a good laugh. Opposition fans fulminating with impotent rage because their mediocre team has failed to beat our mediocre team is always entertaining. |
You call it 'impotent rage' - they, and their manager, told it as it was. Mark Robins said we came not to play, and I respect his view more than I do our manager's.
Just out of interest, do you ever learn anything from your critics? | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:47 - Jan 18 with 987 views | kensalriser |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:45 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
You call it 'impotent rage' - they, and their manager, told it as it was. Mark Robins said we came not to play, and I respect his view more than I do our manager's.
Just out of interest, do you ever learn anything from your critics? |
It's just a game of football. It's not remotely important. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:52 - Jan 18 with 958 views | thehat |
Personally I was delighted with a point. Loads of players out injured and over the years I have seen many a QPR side go away up North get bullied and beaten easily. I don’t think we went negativity as we played 2 forwards who both struggled but our back four and goalkeeper stood up and earned us a valuable point.
End of really was it a great game no but we stood up and left with a good away point.
Onto the next one….. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:00 - Jan 18 with 917 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:47 - Jan 18 by kensalriser |
It's just a game of football. It's not remotely important. |
So why are you here? | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:04 - Jan 18 with 898 views | Boston |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:00 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
So why are you here? |
Why are you here, it's not a Wake?
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:04 - Jan 18 with 897 views | stowmarketrange |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:32 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
O, go to bed - I get accused of being 'destructive' (as if critical thinking was some kind of devilry), then I state things more constructively only to be bawled out by idiots like you. If it's the 'bleeding obvious', why aren't we doing it then? We had 3/4 players out, not a whole team! If you reckon yesterday was Ok in the circs, you're a football moron, as well as an utter cynic.
Stoke actually have injuries to 9 (NINE) players now, plus their lad breaking his leg yesterday, but managed not to play like non-league cloggers.
Why not try actually engaging with e.g. my serious point about our coach setting us up, primarily, to cheat and not to play football? Is it because that would mean you being a grown-up? If that's fine for you, do us both a favour, and don't talk to me.
I'd be very puzzled if Clive's match review, which I look forward to, doesn't replicate quite a lot of my 'bleeding obvious' obs (with his eloquent love of words that I also get slated for - go figure!) - but, if it does, something tells me you'll be keeping your mouth shut in that case, as you're patently another one who plays the man and not the ball.
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Do you think that Stoke would’ve done the same if the game was at loftus rd yesterday?And would we have played the same way if we were the home team?
Did you watch the game against them in November 2023?They went 2-1 up and started sh@thousing to see the game out.Unfortunately for them it didn’t work and we won 4-2.They seemed to be rushing around a lot more when they were losing.Funny that isn’t it?
Maybe you should start a poll amongst those who actually paid money to go to Stoke and see whether they would’ve been happier if we’d lost after going for the win yesterday?
As other posters have said,we’ve had enough teams come to loftus road and bore their way to 1 or 3 points.It doesn’t make it right,but until the authorities find a way of clamping down on it,it will continue.If you don’t like then I suggest you find a more aesthetic team to watch from afar. |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:20 - Jan 18 with 828 views | dutch |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:45 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
You call it 'impotent rage' - they, and their manager, told it as it was. Mark Robins said we came not to play, and I respect his view more than I do our manager's.
Just out of interest, do you ever learn anything from your critics? |
Mr Elbow. While I respect your right to be a superior aesthete, being rude to fellow fans is rarely acceptable and your seem to be rude to everybody who doesn't agree with you. At the risk of encouraging your ire I would rather we played like QPR circa 1976 (which I saw) than yesterday's vintage, but we don't have Bowles, Francis and Masson, we had bunch of hard working, well drilled, often second choice championship players at a famously difficult place to go, and we did a decent job. Upsetting opposition fans is what you are supposed to do, certainly better than sending them home happy. As the man said "if you want entertainment go to a circus". We've sent enough clowns to the slaughter recently and yesterday we came away with a hard earned point. I'll take that. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:30 - Jan 18 with 775 views | kensalriser |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:00 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
So why are you here? |
I seem to be having more fun than you. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:46 - Jan 18 with 723 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 14:10 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
But 'faithful' to what exactly? To defending the indefensible? We've seen this on the road again and again this season - or haven't you been watching? Yesterday was a nadir, but it'd been coming with these goons.
PS We're also comfortably in the bottom half both for away goals scored and conceded away from home - do your research! [Post edited 18 Jan 14:22]
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Yes we are better at home than we are away. Surprise!
Actually I'd rather it was that way round. It didn't stop 9000+ of us going to West Ham last week or a full complement going to Oxford Tuesday. In fact the away support is, I think, as good as it's been for a very long time.
The thing is that you would probably find that many of us are realists about our club, but as supporters we are not inclined to keep harping on about their limitations. No doubt there are a million chances to criticise if that is what turns you on. But constant negativity is generally a massive downer. It destroys enthusiasm and destroys confidence which is a important in professional sport.
You might think that fans constantly demanding perfection is the way to improvement and calling our team goons will drive them on. It doesn't and it won't. It's just a pain in the *rse. | | | |
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