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In the interests of grim research, and as an antidote to those on here on think that a point in the bag because we have a couple of players missing justifies murdering the game of football (note the manager's scary delight in his post-match interview), I sifted all 23 pages of the match thread on the Stoke City Oatcake Fanzine for some sane balance. (As Nietzsche puts it, you keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.)
Suffice to say, some of the contributions evinced a measure of wit our so-called 'football team' were unable to dredge up in 100 minutes of death-by-football.
'What a horrible team to have to watch. Difficult to break down sure but dull as hell.'
'That is just straight up cheating from the keeper... No one anywhere near him, no twist or stretch, simply sat down so that the manager can have a team talk!'
'Was that a pre planned 20 minute break by QPR?'
'I now know why I don’t like QPR.'
'These lot have got no interest in playing football today. Time wasting, cheating, b*stards.'
'QPR are the only team I've ever seen that are looking to waste time even when in attacking situations.'
'QPR really are an absolute yeast infection of a football team.'
'Genuinely, ever since I was a kid they’ve always been shit, I’m amazed they’re even above League 2.'
'It’s no surprise that a side that has Rhys Norrington-Davies in the lineup are a bunch of clogging sh*thouse w*nkers.'
'The combination of QPR and the ref have made this game almost impossible to watch.'
'Is there a QPR player yet to spend time on his backside "injured"?'
'Someone ought to start a chant of you’re just a sh*t f*cking Millwall.'
'These lot are an absolute disgrace.'
'It's football, but not as we know it.'
'Hope all of QPR’s squad get syphilis. (Harsh on syphillis, wishing it on them.)'
'But that would mean they'd at least get a shag. Maybe typhoid or dysentry?'
'Negative, dire, cynical, turgid sh*tball from QPR.'
'I worry about QPR as a going concern cos who the hell is going to keep buying tickets to watch this sh*t?'
'I wouldn't pay a penny to watch QPR, shocking football team.'
'A textbook anti-football team.'
'That's the first side all season to sit like that all match versus us.'
'QPR, I don't know what they call their style, but it isn't football. Mostly chippy cheap shots then flop and whine in front of a parked bus.'
'If you’re a QPR fan you would be totally embarrassed at that performance.'
'I imagine their team coach will go home in reverse.'
And there you have it, people! If you're a QPR fan and that doesn't make you put your head in your hands for the rest of the weekend, I don't know what to say to you. As the usual suspects on here love to cluster together and tell me why I need to listen to the self-appointed consensus of 'adults in the room' because, apparently, I'm delusional if I don't, I'm sure they'll be only too pleased to apply the same logic here. Hell might be other people, but, as I've been told, when other people (and especially, of all people, Stoke fans, who've hardly been reared on Barcaball) are telling you you're a stain on the game, it's time to wake up and see the bigger picture.
Stoke weren't much cop, for sure, but at least if they'd won 3-1 as they still deserved to, we might have been spared the toe-curling post-match bullshit about our 'resilience'. Personally, on aesthetic grounds (newsflash - football is entertainment), I'd rather we sink down the table into League One playing 'football' like that. (For the same reason, I still feel hurt to this day that the team that played all the football in the 1982 FA Cup Replay didn't win.)
In the end, those who have minds of their own can decide for themselves. A revolt into style or the wretched 'means justify the end'? Points at all cost or the beautiful game? Cynicism or idealism? Whose side are you on? (I'm on QPR's a close second, but football's first.)
Here's my view: After yesterday, JS can shove a baguette where the sun don't shine! And if the owners don't agree, they can choke on merde too.
PS For those attending on Tuesday, I'm sure the Oxford game is going to be a footballing feast!
If we play that away every week I think most people, especially those who paid to watch it, would be pretty fed up regardless of results. I don't like it but I'd rather us fight and scrap like that for a point than roll over as we did at Stoke last season.
We do need to find a way to be a lot better away from home but I wouldn't go in too hard on them for yestrerday.
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Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:56 - Jan 18 with 1486 views
We had loads of injuries. We were away from home at a team higher in the table to us and got an away point. It was a rubbish game but we got a point. Often, in the past, we could go there try to play and lose 3 - 1. Everyone will be moaning and we would slide down the table.
Yes we pay to be entertained but the result is everything in football.
We adapted to our situation at this current time and we came away with something. Some games are cr*p like this. It doesnt define a season and Stephan who you are suddenly associating with shut down football, well as you well know, we dont play like that every game. The key to any sport is to play the occasion in the best way to give yourself the best chance to give yourself the best possible outcome, all well and good. Even if its awful to watch, which happens occasionally.
You would be aware of the famous Holloway quote when we won an awful game and he described it, as you could back then - we had gone on a night out with the boys and we managed to achieve success in that we poached a young lady for our entertainments, she wasn't the best looking, but she was a young lady, all the same.
Crikey if he said that now - he would be first item on News at Ten and be effectively cancelled !!!!
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:53 - Jan 18 by daveB
If we play that away every week I think most people, especially those who paid to watch it, would be pretty fed up regardless of results. I don't like it but I'd rather us fight and scrap like that for a point than roll over as we did at Stoke last season.
We do need to find a way to be a lot better away from home but I wouldn't go in too hard on them for yestrerday.
True and Julien Stephan acknowledged that. He wants to keep that defensive solidity and then use that as a platform to improve our attack. I doubt he enjoyed it much either but bearing in mind how close we are to Stoke in the table we can also enjoy the loss of two points to them as well as the gain of one point for us.
Incidentally we’re the Stoke fans also complaining about Ben Pearson’s antics getting Mbengue booked or Cisse pulling back Madsen to stop a promising breakaway? I’m guessing not. You can’t take it seriously as fans are generally hypocrites.
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Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:21 - Jan 18 with 1371 views
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 15:45 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow
You call it 'impotent rage' - they, and their manager, told it as it was. Mark Robins said we came not to play, and I respect his view more than I do our manager's.
Just out of interest, do you ever learn anything from your critics?
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Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:23 - Jan 18 with 1359 views
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:20 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow
Any true football fan would have been ashameed of that performance - not just Mark Robins, who is a more honest manager in my view than JS, and a spread of the opposition fanbase. It's only (some) QPR fans who think a miserly point is everything, no matter how ugly it gets, apparently. With - to repeat - 3/4 players injured to their 9!
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:53 - Jan 18 by daveB
If we play that away every week I think most people, especially those who paid to watch it, would be pretty fed up regardless of results. I don't like it but I'd rather us fight and scrap like that for a point than roll over as we did at Stoke last season.
We do need to find a way to be a lot better away from home but I wouldn't go in too hard on them for yestrerday.
I've never forgotten the Jack Charlton interview when he got Middlesbrough up to the top tier. Questioned about the style of play (it wasn't exactly Brazilian), he responded that the fans don't care, they want to win. Coupled with the fact that the locals adored him, I also don't worry too much about the 'resoluteness' of the squad.
Only Chair, Burrell, and Saito (at most) would have started yesterday with a full complement, and quite possibly only two of them.
My point is - it's bullsh*t! We still had a very OK XI out there that was basically almost identical to the team at West Ham. Join the dots, people! (JS actually had the audacity to mention the Cup game A FULL WEEK BEFORE as a factor in our performance.) And we still set up like goons playing for a pub side.
I don't mind intelligent debate at all, in fact I enjoy it, but if some posters can't detect the bad smell coming out of the above, they should get a nasal transplant!
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:31 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow
When did Larkeche last play for us?
JCS seems to be going the same way.
Poku isn't a starter either.
Varane has recently been dropped.
Only Chair, Burrell, and Saito (at most) would have started yesterday with a full complement, and quite possibly only two of them.
My point is - it's bullsh*t! We still had a very OK XI out there that was basically almost identical to the team at West Ham. Join the dots, people! (JS actually had the audacity to mention the Cup game A FULL WEEK BEFORE as a factor in our performance.) And we still set up like goons playing for a pub side.
I don't mind intelligent debate at all, in fact I enjoy it, but if some posters can't detect the bad smell coming out of the above, they should get a nasal transplant!
I was on the Pitch at the Man City game and some supporters, all true, were shouting to get off the pitch, maybe they just wanted to watch a 0-0 and be grateful for a point.
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Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:40 - Jan 18 with 1251 views
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:56 - Jan 18 by numptydumpty
Stainrod.
We had loads of injuries. We were away from home at a team higher in the table to us and got an away point. It was a rubbish game but we got a point. Often, in the past, we could go there try to play and lose 3 - 1. Everyone will be moaning and we would slide down the table.
Yes we pay to be entertained but the result is everything in football.
We adapted to our situation at this current time and we came away with something. Some games are cr*p like this. It doesnt define a season and Stephan who you are suddenly associating with shut down football, well as you well know, we dont play like that every game. The key to any sport is to play the occasion in the best way to give yourself the best chance to give yourself the best possible outcome, all well and good. Even if its awful to watch, which happens occasionally.
You would be aware of the famous Holloway quote when we won an awful game and he described it, as you could back then - we had gone on a night out with the boys and we managed to achieve success in that we poached a young lady for our entertainments, she wasn't the best looking, but she was a young lady, all the same.
Crikey if he said that now - he would be first item on News at Ten and be effectively cancelled !!!!
Anyhow, I am guessing you get the picture....
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'The result is everything in football' - says you!
I don't agree, will never agree, and that's a problem for you, not for me.
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:30 - Jan 18 by Boston
I've never forgotten the Jack Charlton interview when he got Middlesbrough up to the top tier. Questioned about the style of play (it wasn't exactly Brazilian), he responded that the fans don't care, they want to win. Coupled with the fact that the locals adored him, I also don't worry too much about the 'resoluteness' of the squad.
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Ah yes, Jack Charlton - that epitome of the beautiful game!
I watched Wolves v Newcastle, Villa v Everton and Senegal v Morocco and wish I hadn't bothered. Three games little better than ours yesterday. Perhaps I have been footballed to death. The only entertainment was Senegal walking off the pitch before the end.
Unfortunately money corrupted football and the best players with quality play for the elite teams. The rest of us feed on scraps so with little quality we have to manage the best we can. It is much harder these days to play great football with mediocrity.
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Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 22:13 - Jan 18 with 831 views
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 22:13 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow
And you're a poisonous excuse of a poster, so I think that makes us quits. I 'don't matter', eh? What a sorry piece of work you are!
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Look you can't keep name calling every poster you disagree with. The insults are unnecessary Stainrod.
We are fans of the same team, so why do you seemingly enjoy insulting anyone that simply disagrees with your viewpoints. What is it with the nasty names you call people. You are always first to do this also.
Would you say this to someone if you were actually with them - face to face. If you would not, then please refrain from doing this. Its all a little strange.
Its hard to fathom why you do this and also it resembles the behaviour of a young little teen that resorts to anger when told to sit on the naughty step.You are not the messiah. You are just a very naughty little boy.
Seriously though, public apology really required from yourself I would say, chap.
Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 19:30 - Jan 18 by Boston
I've never forgotten the Jack Charlton interview when he got Middlesbrough up to the top tier. Questioned about the style of play (it wasn't exactly Brazilian), he responded that the fans don't care, they want to win. Coupled with the fact that the locals adored him, I also don't worry too much about the 'resoluteness' of the squad.
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I remember, in 1980(?), Charlton being questioned about the style of football his Sheff Wed team adopted to win 2-0 at Loftus Road. He replied, ‘It’s not my job to entertain your fans’
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