| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) 11:39 - Jan 18 with 9925 views | stainrods_elbow |
In the interests of grim research, and as an antidote to those on here on think that a point in the bag because we have a couple of players missing justifies murdering the game of football (note the manager's scary delight in his post-match interview), I sifted all 23 pages of the match thread on the Stoke City Oatcake Fanzine for some sane balance. (As Nietzsche puts it, you keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.)
Suffice to say, some of the contributions evinced a measure of wit our so-called 'football team' were unable to dredge up in 100 minutes of death-by-football.
'What a horrible team to have to watch. Difficult to break down sure but dull as hell.'
'That is just straight up cheating from the keeper... No one anywhere near him, no twist or stretch, simply sat down so that the manager can have a team talk!'
'Was that a pre planned 20 minute break by QPR?'
'I now know why I don’t like QPR.'
'These lot have got no interest in playing football today. Time wasting, cheating, b*stards.'
'QPR are the only team I've ever seen that are looking to waste time even when in attacking situations.'
'QPR really are an absolute yeast infection of a football team.'
'Genuinely, ever since I was a kid they’ve always been shit, I’m amazed they’re even above League 2.'
'It’s no surprise that a side that has Rhys Norrington-Davies in the lineup are a bunch of clogging sh*thouse w*nkers.'
'The combination of QPR and the ref have made this game almost impossible to watch.'
'Is there a QPR player yet to spend time on his backside "injured"?'
'Someone ought to start a chant of you’re just a sh*t f*cking Millwall.'
'These lot are an absolute disgrace.'
'It's football, but not as we know it.'
'Hope all of QPR’s squad get syphilis. (Harsh on syphillis, wishing it on them.)'
'But that would mean they'd at least get a shag. Maybe typhoid or dysentry?'
'Negative, dire, cynical, turgid sh*tball from QPR.'
'I worry about QPR as a going concern cos who the hell is going to keep buying tickets to watch this sh*t?'
'I wouldn't pay a penny to watch QPR, shocking football team.'
'A textbook anti-football team.'
'That's the first side all season to sit like that all match versus us.'
'QPR, I don't know what they call their style, but it isn't football. Mostly chippy cheap shots then flop and whine in front of a parked bus.'
'If you’re a QPR fan you would be totally embarrassed at that performance.'
'I imagine their team coach will go home in reverse.'
And there you have it, people! If you're a QPR fan and that doesn't make you put your head in your hands for the rest of the weekend, I don't know what to say to you. As the usual suspects on here love to cluster together and tell me why I need to listen to the self-appointed consensus of 'adults in the room' because, apparently, I'm delusional if I don't, I'm sure they'll be only too pleased to apply the same logic here. Hell might be other people, but, as I've been told, when other people (and especially, of all people, Stoke fans, who've hardly been reared on Barcaball) are telling you you're a stain on the game, it's time to wake up and see the bigger picture.
Stoke weren't much cop, for sure, but at least if they'd won 3-1 as they still deserved to, we might have been spared the toe-curling post-match bullshit about our 'resilience'. Personally, on aesthetic grounds (newsflash - football is entertainment), I'd rather we sink down the table into League One playing 'football' like that. (For the same reason, I still feel hurt to this day that the team that played all the football in the 1982 FA Cup Replay didn't win.)
In the end, those who have minds of their own can decide for themselves. A revolt into style or the wretched 'means justify the end'? Points at all cost or the beautiful game? Cynicism or idealism? Whose side are you on? (I'm on QPR's a close second, but football's first.)
Here's my view: After yesterday, JS can shove a baguette where the sun don't shine! And if the owners don't agree, they can choke on merde too.
PS For those attending on Tuesday, I'm sure the Oxford game is going to be a footballing feast!
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:54 - Jan 18 with 1090 views | flynnbo |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:20 - Jan 18 by dutch |
Mr Elbow. While I respect your right to be a superior aesthete, being rude to fellow fans is rarely acceptable and your seem to be rude to everybody who doesn't agree with you. At the risk of encouraging your ire I would rather we played like QPR circa 1976 (which I saw) than yesterday's vintage, but we don't have Bowles, Francis and Masson, we had bunch of hard working, well drilled, often second choice championship players at a famously difficult place to go, and we did a decent job. Upsetting opposition fans is what you are supposed to do, certainly better than sending them home happy. As the man said "if you want entertainment go to a circus". We've sent enough clowns to the slaughter recently and yesterday we came away with a hard earned point. I'll take that. |
I recall that on several occasions under Venables we were criticised for operating a dull but effective offside tactic. |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:59 - Jan 18 with 1060 views | stowmarketrange |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:54 - Jan 18 by flynnbo |
I recall that on several occasions under Venables we were criticised for operating a dull but effective offside tactic. |
Including at Millwall for the 2nd leg of the league cup tie,but I can’t remember if TV was the manager then. |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:00 - Jan 18 with 1047 views | Malintabuk |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 12:53 - Jan 18 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Isn't it wonderful to have opposition fans moaning because we didn't role over and die. Thanks for posting this Elbow. |
And that my friend sums it up for me
Was there yesterday and myself and most of those around me felt exactly the same... went there with a Stoke team that had won 3 on the trot and not conceded a goal at home, and we came away with a point, no more injuries and a professional job well done.
Though that starting 11 was decent there was absolutely nothing on the bench attacking wise apart from young Bennie
So ask me, and, most of the travelling bunch, if we would have preferred us throw caution to the win and loose which would have been the percentage result, or go there organised, with a plan and come away with a draw..
I guess the loss and a pat on the back saying ... well done chaps for playing the game the sporting way is now preferred
Am I upset we never took a chance, who knows we may have won the game if we were more attacking, throwing caution to the wind.... but the manager decided that this was a better way to play to get a realistic result... and I'm fully behind him.
I said it last night... well down Rs... that was a decent point and we move on |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:01 - Jan 18 with 1047 views | Rsole |
This is a whole new level of emotional cutting.
Away point taken, shit game, depleted bench - ok against a decent enough team, with a good manager and some quality players.
Hope for something better midweek, let’s move on and leave those lovely Stoke people well alone, in beautiful Stoke. |  |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:05 - Jan 18 with 1015 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:46 - Jan 18 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Yes we are better at home than we are away. Surprise!
Actually I'd rather it was that way round. It didn't stop 9000+ of us going to West Ham last week or a full complement going to Oxford Tuesday. In fact the away support is, I think, as good as it's been for a very long time.
The thing is that you would probably find that many of us are realists about our club, but as supporters we are not inclined to keep harping on about their limitations. No doubt there are a million chances to criticise if that is what turns you on. But constant negativity is generally a massive downer. It destroys enthusiasm and destroys confidence which is a important in professional sport.
You might think that fans constantly demanding perfection is the way to improvement and calling our team goons will drive them on. It doesn't and it won't. It's just a pain in the *rse. |
Who's demanding 'perfection'? The amusing/sad irony of your broad-brush caricature of my detailed critique is that I'm actually a victim of my own enthusiasm. As I often say, passion makes you lonely. It's the others here, the cynics and 'realists', who do my head in, and who you should have in your sights.
All I'm asking is for, in a nutshell, is for the game to be played in the right spirit, and the fans to be respected - including those who have so little self-respect, apparently, they don't seem to notice or care when they're not being.
If that makes me a 'pain in the arse', the problem, I suggest, is with your arse - maybe because you're trying to talk out of it. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:09]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:08 - Jan 18 with 985 views | TK1 |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 13:57 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
In the league table of patronising pillocks, you win the Championship every year.
What's wrong with being a minority? Better that than being in a majority with pompous, judgmental beings like you. You almost seem glad that the likes of Sexton and Venables are dead. The quesiton is on the other foot: assuming you're a grown adult, why did you start supporting QPR in the first place? I did so because I loved the team, the style, the coaching, the ground, the underdog courage. That's because I have, and had, footballing values. You have - what? Bile and drain-circling 'pragmatism'.
Not everyone on that Stoke message board is 12, even if this one seems to have more than its fair share of those who are - biologically or mentally.
And your idea about transferring allegaiances just shows you don't understand what being a football supporter is, so I can only conclude you're not one.
Do us all a favour, and don't respond to my threads again! |
Oh no, I will reply to "your" threads - it's a public messageboard. If you want to restrict access either a) start your own messageboard (good luck with that), b) don't start threads (best course of action), c) don't ask questions while banning answers. I will put you back on mute though, so don't worry.
Your question was this:
"why did you start supporting QPR in the first place? I did so because I loved the team, the style, the coaching, the ground, the underdog courage."
I support them because they were my local team, my dad took me as a 7-year-old. As such "the coaching and underdog courage" didn't make much impact. Being both football mad and loyal did though. Being top of the league did too.
In fact, it's the 50th anniversary of that first game next month, the night we play Charlton. I'm going with the group of friends I've been going with for decades, thick or mostly thin. It'll be nice to win but if we don't, so be it. We'll have a great night out anyway.
It's brilliant to win. It's great to play swashbuckling football. But I'd go to QPR if we fell through the leagues and ended up in the National League South.
Going to QPR is not for me like going to see a film, being disappointed by it, or a gig, or a gallery..."Yes, darling a valuable 0-0 away at Stoke, but the aesthetic quality of it - for someone reared on Bowles, Byrne, Wegerle...I could rip my eyes out!"
Take a point where we often surrender them and move on. And I don't worry much if the Stoke fans enjoyed it or not, really.
I've had a season ticket every year that I could afford one since 1976. Let me say, yes, the Sexton, Venables teams were beautiful (though probably less beautiful than you remember, judging by The Big Match Revisited), Since that first game in '76, I've remained loyal even while watching teams managed by:
Burtenshaw
Sibley
Mullery
Houston
Harford
Waddock
Hart
Hughes
McClaren
Critchley
Ainsworth
Some thin times there. Not much champagne football. Not much "style and underdog courage" under Redknapp. And Joel Stephan is better than all of them I think.
That is what I think being a football supporter, specifically of QPR, is since you suggest I don't know what it is. You think it's watching on a stream, coming on a messageboard and calling everyone else idiots for putting up with the ugliness of it.
Horses for courses. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:10 - Jan 18 with 979 views | Paddyhoops |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:00 - Jan 18 by Malintabuk |
And that my friend sums it up for me
Was there yesterday and myself and most of those around me felt exactly the same... went there with a Stoke team that had won 3 on the trot and not conceded a goal at home, and we came away with a point, no more injuries and a professional job well done.
Though that starting 11 was decent there was absolutely nothing on the bench attacking wise apart from young Bennie
So ask me, and, most of the travelling bunch, if we would have preferred us throw caution to the win and loose which would have been the percentage result, or go there organised, with a plan and come away with a draw..
I guess the loss and a pat on the back saying ... well done chaps for playing the game the sporting way is now preferred
Am I upset we never took a chance, who knows we may have won the game if we were more attacking, throwing caution to the wind.... but the manager decided that this was a better way to play to get a realistic result... and I'm fully behind him.
I said it last night... well down Rs... that was a decent point and we move on |
I was there yesterday. We were average to say the least but I’ve seen games like this were we inevitably end up losing by a couple of goals .
Thought we dug in yesterday with Cook and Dunne particularly good.
Oddly enough I thought we had the two most clear cut chances of the game with Kone and Adamson.
Not overly bothered about what Stoke fans think of us or our football . The best part of Stoke is the road out of it . | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:11 - Jan 18 with 975 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:08 - Jan 18 by TK1 |
Oh no, I will reply to "your" threads - it's a public messageboard. If you want to restrict access either a) start your own messageboard (good luck with that), b) don't start threads (best course of action), c) don't ask questions while banning answers. I will put you back on mute though, so don't worry.
Your question was this:
"why did you start supporting QPR in the first place? I did so because I loved the team, the style, the coaching, the ground, the underdog courage."
I support them because they were my local team, my dad took me as a 7-year-old. As such "the coaching and underdog courage" didn't make much impact. Being both football mad and loyal did though. Being top of the league did too.
In fact, it's the 50th anniversary of that first game next month, the night we play Charlton. I'm going with the group of friends I've been going with for decades, thick or mostly thin. It'll be nice to win but if we don't, so be it. We'll have a great night out anyway.
It's brilliant to win. It's great to play swashbuckling football. But I'd go to QPR if we fell through the leagues and ended up in the National League South.
Going to QPR is not for me like going to see a film, being disappointed by it, or a gig, or a gallery..."Yes, darling a valuable 0-0 away at Stoke, but the aesthetic quality of it - for someone reared on Bowles, Byrne, Wegerle...I could rip my eyes out!"
Take a point where we often surrender them and move on. And I don't worry much if the Stoke fans enjoyed it or not, really.
I've had a season ticket every year that I could afford one since 1976. Let me say, yes, the Sexton, Venables teams were beautiful (though probably less beautiful than you remember, judging by The Big Match Revisited), Since that first game in '76, I've remained loyal even while watching teams managed by:
Burtenshaw
Sibley
Mullery
Houston
Harford
Waddock
Hart
Hughes
McClaren
Critchley
Ainsworth
Some thin times there. Not much champagne football. Not much "style and underdog courage" under Redknapp. And Joel Stephan is better than all of them I think.
That is what I think being a football supporter, specifically of QPR, is since you suggest I don't know what it is. You think it's watching on a stream, coming on a messageboard and calling everyone else idiots for putting up with the ugliness of it.
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:12 - Jan 18 with 971 views | flynnbo |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 16:59 - Jan 18 by stowmarketrange |
Including at Millwall for the 2nd leg of the league cup tie,but I can’t remember if TV was the manager then. |
You might be right on who was the coach for that particular game. I was amongst the Wall fans that night! Anyway, TV did operate a controversial offside policy. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:20]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) (n/t) on 17:13 - Jan 18 with 964 views | patrickqpr |
Stainrods Elbow I wish you would stop posting. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:19]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:20 - Jan 18 with 925 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:10 - Jan 18 by Paddyhoops |
I was there yesterday. We were average to say the least but I’ve seen games like this were we inevitably end up losing by a couple of goals .
Thought we dug in yesterday with Cook and Dunne particularly good.
Oddly enough I thought we had the two most clear cut chances of the game with Kone and Adamson.
Not overly bothered about what Stoke fans think of us or our football . The best part of Stoke is the road out of it . |
Any true football fan would have been ashameed of that performance - not just Mark Robins, who is a more honest manager in my view than JS, and a spread of the opposition fanbase. It's only (some) QPR fans who think a miserly point is everything, no matter how ugly it gets, apparently. With - to repeat - 3/4 players injured to their 9! | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:22 - Jan 18 with 915 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:00 - Jan 18 by Malintabuk |
And that my friend sums it up for me
Was there yesterday and myself and most of those around me felt exactly the same... went there with a Stoke team that had won 3 on the trot and not conceded a goal at home, and we came away with a point, no more injuries and a professional job well done.
Though that starting 11 was decent there was absolutely nothing on the bench attacking wise apart from young Bennie
So ask me, and, most of the travelling bunch, if we would have preferred us throw caution to the win and loose which would have been the percentage result, or go there organised, with a plan and come away with a draw..
I guess the loss and a pat on the back saying ... well done chaps for playing the game the sporting way is now preferred
Am I upset we never took a chance, who knows we may have won the game if we were more attacking, throwing caution to the wind.... but the manager decided that this was a better way to play to get a realistic result... and I'm fully behind him.
I said it last night... well down Rs... that was a decent point and we move on |
As one or two sane souls have said, if that's a 'better way', find another way! | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:23 - Jan 18 with 909 views | Malintabuk |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:43 - Jan 18 with 804 views | terryb |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:05 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Who's demanding 'perfection'? The amusing/sad irony of your broad-brush caricature of my detailed critique is that I'm actually a victim of my own enthusiasm. As I often say, passion makes you lonely. It's the others here, the cynics and 'realists', who do my head in, and who you should have in your sights.
All I'm asking is for, in a nutshell, is for the game to be played in the right spirit, and the fans to be respected - including those who have so little self-respect, apparently, they don't seem to notice or care when they're not being.
If that makes me a 'pain in the arse', the problem, I suggest, is with your arse - maybe because you're trying to talk out of it. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:09]
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I'm amused that you quote the game should be played "in the right spirit" when one of your favourite managers (he might even be your actual favourite) was, IMO, the biggest scoundrel in the history of English football.
He made Hughes & Redknapp look like saints. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:45 - Jan 18 with 794 views | cheeseydane |
I don't give a monkeys what stoke fans think, we did what was necessary considering our injuries. You could say we gave them a taste of their own medicine.
And if you really think we had only 3 players out, then your just being a WUM for attention.
Can't be arsd with you any more tbh. |  |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:46 - Jan 18 with 788 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:43 - Jan 18 by terryb |
I'm amused that you quote the game should be played "in the right spirit" when one of your favourite managers (he might even be your actual favourite) was, IMO, the biggest scoundrel in the history of English football.
He made Hughes & Redknapp look like saints. |
I think you're playing the man and not the ball. I wasn't making a point about the moral credentials of any manager, but about how the game should be played. Is that really so hard to grasp? [Post edited 18 Jan 17:53]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:57 - Jan 18 with 746 views | wortonr |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:43 - Jan 18 by terryb |
I'm amused that you quote the game should be played "in the right spirit" when one of your favourite managers (he might even be your actual favourite) was, IMO, the biggest scoundrel in the history of English football.
He made Hughes & Redknapp look like saints. |
I actually thought that was a really good performance under the circumstances. Whilst I don’t much like the tactic of possibly ( probably?) feigning injuries in order to break up play, consult coaches etc, seems to me this is pretty much the norm. Do I like us doing it? No, obviously, but it’s a pragmatic response to our situation. As far as Stoke? Their problems are none of our business, as, frankly, is their message board, which has a range of responses, I imagine, including those quoted. No, I wouldn’t want this to be our norm…..and I’m pretty sure it won’t be. Instead, let’s focus on the positives..battling performance from our stalwarts at the back and a pretty good showing from Waish again. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:57 - Jan 18 with 745 views | Paddyhoops |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:20 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Any true football fan would have been ashameed of that performance - not just Mark Robins, who is a more honest manager in my view than JS, and a spread of the opposition fanbase. It's only (some) QPR fans who think a miserly point is everything, no matter how ugly it gets, apparently. With - to repeat - 3/4 players injured to their 9! |
I’m not a true football fan then .
Still , I had a great day with great people who despite the performance were happy with the point.
Obviously they’re not true football fans as well.
If you got any suggestions on how not to waste 30 days of the year following QPR . Let me know. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:01 - Jan 18 with 734 views | sdm1508 |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 11:54 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Even at their most Pulisian, they were never what we sank to yesterday. |
Jesus Christ another thread from you to moan about how poor the game was. Why do you have to constantly hammer it home when we play bad. Let it go for Christ sake. It's pathetic. Yes, you'll get rude with me. Moan about how I'm picking you, do your victim but and how it's because you have standards. Whenever we play bad, you are right there aren't you. If people disagree with you, it question you, you just find another angle to start yet another post. If you hate it that much just don't f**king watch it. It's pathetic | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:04 - Jan 18 with 723 views | stowmarketrange |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:01 - Jan 18 by sdm1508 |
Jesus Christ another thread from you to moan about how poor the game was. Why do you have to constantly hammer it home when we play bad. Let it go for Christ sake. It's pathetic. Yes, you'll get rude with me. Moan about how I'm picking you, do your victim but and how it's because you have standards. Whenever we play bad, you are right there aren't you. If people disagree with you, it question you, you just find another angle to start yet another post. If you hate it that much just don't f**king watch it. It's pathetic |
So he starts another thread on what the Stoke manager thinks.Who gives a flying f@ck what he thinks.We ain’t the 1st team to sh@thouse our way to a point and we won’t be the last. | | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:06 - Jan 18 with 710 views | stainrods_elbow |
It's called telling it as it is. If Clive slates the showing (whose bile is often far more extended and eloquent than mine), will you be telling him the same thing? I suspect not.
If you don't like it, don't come to what I've been reminded is a 'public forum', sweetie! | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:21 - Jan 18 with 656 views | BristolR |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:57 - Jan 18 by Paddyhoops |
I’m not a true football fan then .
Still , I had a great day with great people who despite the performance were happy with the point.
Obviously they’re not true football fans as well.
If you got any suggestions on how not to waste 30 days of the year following QPR . Let me know. |
Would echo all of this. I didn’t notice anyone leave early tut-tutting at our disgraceful performance. What I did see was 104 minutes of very vocal support with many staying behind at the end to clap the team off.
Supporters eh, daring to, er, support!
Also enjoyed the day, met up with some Stoke mates, good beer, good chat and a point away…could we have played better…of course. Will we remember this game in a few weeks? Nope. Will the point come on handy? Quite possibly.
I also get frustrated when we don’t play well and I think it’s possibly easier to do so when watching on the TV. Being there in person is a whole different experience and I’d be amazed if anyone there yesterday (or indeed any other similar style of game) came away angry and upset. |  | | |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:22 - Jan 18 with 656 views | cheeseydane |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:06 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
It's called telling it as it is. If Clive slates the showing (whose bile is often far more extended and eloquent than mine), will you be telling him the same thing? I suspect not.
If you don't like it, don't come to what I've been reminded is a 'public forum', sweetie! |
Clive isn't god, emperor, godfather or whatever rocks one's boat.
If I disagree with him, I will say so no problem.
Otherwise, whats the point?
We did a Stoke at an inform Stoke with a depleted SQUAD. Come back with a point. Good enough for me. | |
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:36 - Jan 18 with 600 views | terryb |
| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 17:46 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
I think you're playing the man and not the ball. I wasn't making a point about the moral credentials of any manager, but about how the game should be played. Is that really so hard to grasp? [Post edited 18 Jan 17:53]
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And I was on about how that manager went against the spirit of the game with his footballing dealings off the pitch. They greatly affected how the "game should be played & the spirit it should be played in".
You can assume all you want to what I was referring to, but I'll be surprised if your close, unless you knew people that had dealings with him. Is that clear enough for you? [Post edited 18 Jan 18:49]
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| Stoke fans on QPR (whose side are you on?) on 18:43 - Jan 18 with 578 views | PunteR |
Got a point. Move on.
Who cares what Stoke think. |  |
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