| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 10:29 - Mar 2 with 2108 views | Hunterhoop |
That press conference of Stephan’s definitely points at discord behind the scenes. It was very similar in tone to Cifuentes around this time last year.
It also sounds like this discord amongst the senior management, which is interesting.
I think Jordan’s post is interesting. I’ve said it before, I think there is an issue with standards at the club. I think there is an issue with the balance of the squad, and has been for two seasons now. We know there is a clear issue on the fitness/injuries front. We know the club comms to fans is minimal and often disingenuous. The state of the pitch. The lack of youth development. Paul Furlong. Treatment of Rayan Kolli. Worsening financials. £25m spent in two years (thank god for the Eze sell on)… I think there is a distinct lack of accountability anywhere. I think the leadership actively shuns accountability rather than driving it throughout the club, because it would highlight their own failings.
The training ground is the biggest success and best thing the club have done in the last decade, but that was completed before the current leadership came into their roles.
Our youth development looks in a worst state now than 12 months ago. Even, 24 months ago. We had Kolli coming through. We then picked up Morgan. Sutton was spoken about. Tuck a little too. Even Joe Walsh. Bennie the only one who’s “come through” in the last 12 months, and we bought him from Aus. Not aware of anyone knocking on the first team squad’s door currently from the EDS.
Things take time, I get that. People might say without the injuries we’d have been top 6. Possibly. Possibly not. I think the standards issue may have put paid to that. But top half, certainly. The move to a Cat 1 academy is also good news (if it happens).
But you have to hold yourself accountable for things that haven’t gone well or to plan. Assess them. Learn from them. Adapt and do better. Don’t try to tell everyone there have been no mistakes. That does not improve things. It’s just ego and role protection. It’s for the benefit of you, not the benefit of the club.
You can argue we’re moving in the right direction, slowly. But you can also argue we’re potentially moving in the wrong direction, but £25m of spending on the first team in two seasons has masked that as we tread water in lower mid table. |  | |  |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 11:20 - Mar 2 with 1950 views | Stocktake |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 10:06 - Mar 2 by terryb |
Thanks Clive,
I missed my first home match of the season due to illness, but I managed to find a stream. Lucky me! Thankfully, as the first half progressed the freezing of the stream increased & so I gave up at half time.
My only suprise at that time was that we were only two goals behind! I'm so looking forward to being back at LR this Sunday. |
Great read, despite the depressing realities. I do think that if our goal had stood, SU might have started to wobble but we'll never know. We're not getting a break at the moment especially from refs and assistants. |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 11:47 - Mar 2 with 1882 views | bosh67 |
The ref and linesman comment particularly made me laugh.
Can we get 3 more wins from 11 games? Probably. When will we get them? Knowing us in the last 3 games. Can we get Burrell, Chair and Poku back at all before then? Not entirely sure. [Post edited 2 Mar 11:48]
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:15 - Mar 2 with 1837 views | TK1 |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 08:31 - Mar 2 by JordanFoster |
Top report, I wasn’t at the game so only had the highlights to go on, but felt exactly like midweek.
Instead of getting to LR, I was at Stevenage where they played Stockport as both battled for the play offs.
I was put next to Neil Banfield who’s gone in as a coach to basically pass the time locally, the other side of him was a budding analyst with an ear piece and mic to the bench.
As the game went on Neil basically just spoke constantly, explaining everything and anything that he saw whilst the analyst frantically relaid this back to the bench.
I’ll be honest I was a bit struck by how much he was seeing and even more impressively could see coming. He would call overloads 4 or 5 plays before it happened. Was honestly insane, I know the average match going fan can see the game but this was like nothing I’ve heard or seen.
So if we’re sitting here, French cup winner JS, who took Strasbourg to sixth in Ligue 1, doesn’t know players are xrap and that a left side of Esquerdinha, Saito, (the returning) JCS and Varane is ropey… believe me he does and he can show you 10x more reason why it’s xrap.
What also struck me was the intensity and passion, not just from Banfield but also the manager, the analyst the players. People’s livelihood's and mortgages at risk. How they speak to each other, what they demand from each other. Even from the Stockport bench (inc a Mr Clint Hill) it was so intense and demanding.
Matt Phillips got MOTM on his first game, Jamie Reid (Northern Ireland Intl) was alongside him up front. Charlie Goode sat at the back with Ollie Norwood in midfield (and ran the show) for Stockport.
On the play trading side, every penny counts. You’re going to outlay X, you NEED to return Y. The money isn’t there for speculative shots. A lot of agents in football think their DoF is a nightmare, mainly because he won’t just play ball on what they want. Even if that means often losing out.
Everyone is held accountable.
One of the players said after the game that Phillips had given a talk on the standards he expects and what’s needed to make the play offs and every players output has gone up by 10%.
Why’s it okay to be pumped by 3+ so regularly? Who’s holding the standards throughout the club? Why are some players finishing games at Loftus Road then driving straight to their local gym to do more work?
So coming back to QPR you have to seriously look at this player availability thing, but also the standard of the players that are being brought in as speculative shots.
We talk about some of them needing loans, other than Morgan and Kolli (maybe), I don’t think any of the others get game time in League 1 - so why are they here?
You can hammer Les Ferdinand for keeping players around like Ozzy Kakay and Charlie Owens when you’re bringing in a truckload of Aussie and Americans to warm the bench but be miles off it.
Edwards and Saito are great but say you went for a liberal guess of 6m outlay on the pair, are you making that 3x in the next few years? Both great players but with clearly weaknesses that certainly make them playing in the PL a long shot.
Maybe it’s just been a bad week, but when you see something like that so up close, then think back to us half throwing away games and being told about not seeing your favourite players it does make you think. |
This is a great post, agree with every word. Especially the bit about Stephan perhaps knowing a little bit about football, patterns of play, systems, game outcomes. As you say, former pro, comes from a high-level football family (including a father who's been coaching France for a decade), managed over 300 pro games, 40% win ratio, often taking teams well beyond their predicted outcomes...
When people stomp their feet and say 'why doesn't he play three at the back' or whatever...he's definitely considered every option and ruled it in/out for a reason you can't see. When he's slow to make a change, again, there's a reason you can't see.
I quite liked the depressing presser. I needed to see that he was hacked off with what he has at hand. I worry he may leave at the season's close, because I think as with Marti, he's better than the structure he's leaving and we may not be lucky three times in a row, but what he said about systems v players is true as it was when Redknapp used to say it.
Winning football matches is about having your best players hungry to win, organising them to do so. He can definitely do that, Marti could do that - we do not currently have the players available to do that, nor always the hunger.
I would love to ask someone like Dunne or Chair, who have been here throughout, whether standards among players and the club generally have improved post-Ferdinand/Ramsey and the famous audit...or not. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:21 - Mar 2 with 1824 views | AshteadR |
Too many players not good enough for this level. Notwithstanding the injuries, I’d estimate almost half our squad is unproven in the Championship. That’s an unhealthy balance. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:32 - Mar 2 with 1803 views | E15Hoop |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:21 - Mar 2 by AshteadR |
Too many players not good enough for this level. Notwithstanding the injuries, I’d estimate almost half our squad is unproven in the Championship. That’s an unhealthy balance. |
It's really telling how keen Stephan has been to stress over the last few games that the main priority is to stay in the league rather than sound off about challenging for the play-offs.
You really do get a sense that a showdown behind the scenes is brewing, and we all know how that usually ends.
Best hope is that Nourry puts his hands up and says his obsession with buying players barely out of nappies has got out of hand and needs rebalancing with some seasoned old pros in the summer. As others have already said so eloquently in the course of this thread, he also needs to be telling us how he's going to hold the fitness department to account and he needs to be throwing his lot in with Stephan to make sure he doesn't walk in the summer.
What do we reckon the chances are of all of this happening, versus Nourry doubling down and protecting his own position and ego at all costs? Answers on a postcard, please.. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:53 - Mar 2 with 1733 views | daveB |
When the aim of the football club is to be a pathway club rather than somewhere to achieve your goals thats when standards drop through the floor some weeks as it doesn't matter if you win or lose really, you are not here to win promotion you are here to go somewhere else.
The only time in the last 10 years that the priority shifted to raise standards and win the match in front of you we managed to sell Eze for big money. He'd have gone the same way as Willock and Chair if it wasn't for those 3 years of Warbs. |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:57 - Mar 2 with 1719 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:32 - Mar 2 by E15Hoop |
It's really telling how keen Stephan has been to stress over the last few games that the main priority is to stay in the league rather than sound off about challenging for the play-offs.
You really do get a sense that a showdown behind the scenes is brewing, and we all know how that usually ends.
Best hope is that Nourry puts his hands up and says his obsession with buying players barely out of nappies has got out of hand and needs rebalancing with some seasoned old pros in the summer. As others have already said so eloquently in the course of this thread, he also needs to be telling us how he's going to hold the fitness department to account and he needs to be throwing his lot in with Stephan to make sure he doesn't walk in the summer.
What do we reckon the chances are of all of this happening, versus Nourry doubling down and protecting his own position and ego at all costs? Answers on a postcard, please.. |
Nourry’s cooking! Hoos gets let off far too lightly. He’s a cancer on our club so is his manchild CEO. They along with Williams and Belk are stealing a great living with zero accountability because our absentee (but benevolent) owners have no idea how to successfully run a football club. The club is rotten from the top down - none of them gives a shite. |  |
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 13:10 - Mar 2 with 1676 views | daveB |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:57 - Mar 2 by Northolt_Rs |
Nourry’s cooking! Hoos gets let off far too lightly. He’s a cancer on our club so is his manchild CEO. They along with Williams and Belk are stealing a great living with zero accountability because our absentee (but benevolent) owners have no idea how to successfully run a football club. The club is rotten from the top down - none of them gives a shite. |
A few of QPR fans who work at the club and have done a really good job have now gone or are in the process of leaving for a variety of reasons from Andy Evans, Paul Furlong, Simon Cheshire. It's quite sad to see | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 13:55 - Mar 2 with 1596 views | TheChef |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 11:47 - Mar 2 by bosh67 |
The ref and linesman comment particularly made me laugh.
Can we get 3 more wins from 11 games? Probably. When will we get them? Knowing us in the last 3 games. Can we get Burrell, Chair and Poku back at all before then? Not entirely sure. [Post edited 2 Mar 11:48]
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Any games against teams chasing promotion, or battling relegation, we're probably going to struggle with (unless we get some of our injured players back, ho ho).
Which doesn't really leave that many games.
Think we'll be OK, but it might be closer than we'd like. |  |
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 14:13 - Mar 2 with 1537 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 08:48 - Mar 2 by Phildo |
I find I am often exhausted at the end of games - the tension does me in.
Saturday I was serene as I knew were were getting tonked from minute 1. No anxiety just resignation. I was surprised it was only 2 and I did have a moment of extreme rage at Varane after the second goal but apart from that I felt strangely disengaged. Whole ground felt similar apart from a few thousand northerners singing about Sheffield Wednesday for 96 minutes. |
The most tension I feel this season is between the 40th minute and halftime and straight after kickoff in the second half we are usually asleep and ship goals at will.
I actually thought we might get a point at Southampton but knew SU would run us off the park going off their Boro game and their overall talent + Manager.
We drew at their place earlier in the season nearly every fan on here said that was a poor result knowing their position but I knew they would put it together and here we are they could actually make the top 6 yet.
We seem so slow and predictable every game and 2 goals behind might as well turn out the lights and go home |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 16:58 - Mar 2 with 1288 views | Paddyhoops |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 22:09 - Mar 1 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
First time I'd heard booing during the game in a long long time, though I don't think it's aimed at the coach. The ironic cheers on 65 minutes, I think, when Morgan finally made a crunching tackle summed it up.
I like JS and think it would be a backwards step, yet again, if he was to leave at the end of the season. Just give the bloke the tools, namely fit players, to do his job, and he might just move us up the table. |
It got very aggy after the second goal in the loft end.,
Haven’t seen it like that for a long time.
Our three best players out and three kids in Bennie, Morgan and Esqerdinah trying to do a job against a very experienced championship side was always going to be a stretch but it was all very passive and little or no second balls won at any stage told its own story.
Tough times ahead. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 17:55 - Mar 2 with 1189 views | OldPedro |
Totally agree with many of the posts especially the ones highlighting that Stephan's latest press conference sounds similar to the Cifuentes ones from the back end of last season. The structure/accountability doesn't seem to be working. |  |
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 18:10 - Mar 2 with 1152 views | Harbour |
Thanks Clive great report summoned up the game and a lot of how we are all feeling. That news conference was a bit worrying his demeanour not good he looked like he was inwardly seething. A lack of intensity and aggression is a bad omen … what ever the ability this suggests they are not up for the fight and are beaten before they cross the white line. I am not putting this all on JS but clearly the way we set up and reports of players arguing suggests not a happy camp. The team appear to be jeckel and hide as on occasions they have shown intensity and aggression I don’t buy this change in application is all down to players being unavailable. Yes sure Saints and Sheff Utd have better players but are players not being up for the fight is is not acceptable. Carry on and those 4 points JS has put as our man objective now may be not so easy to achieve. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 18:26 - Mar 2 with 1114 views | Northernr |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 13:10 - Mar 2 by daveB |
A few of QPR fans who work at the club and have done a really good job have now gone or are in the process of leaving for a variety of reasons from Andy Evans, Paul Furlong, Simon Cheshire. It's quite sad to see |
Dean Barker as well, scout that brought Morgan in, big QPR fan, let go and now working with Arsenal I believe. |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 18:31 - Mar 2 with 1089 views | Hunterhoop |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 18:26 - Mar 2 by Northernr |
Dean Barker as well, scout that brought Morgan in, big QPR fan, let go and now working with Arsenal I believe. |
Ticket Office manager with decades of experience went last year too, didn’t they?
I believe we haven’t even had a receptionist for a spell recently. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 19:08 - Mar 2 with 1038 views | jtuck |
Words from our 'coach' to the effect of 'I'm Just the Manager' to 'happy for Sam Field playing well at Norwich' show we are back in the recurring nightmare of wondering who is calling the shots, who is in control. But loved his sudden honesty saying let's just get mathematically safe. Also credit to the journalist at the press conference who was asking the right questions...people who follow these post-match sessions posted by WLS know this is not very often the case.
Personal view but I would always pick Cook and Mbengue if fit enough. | |
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 20:11 - Mar 2 with 940 views | BklynRanger |
Accidentally down voted.
That paragraph beginning with 'And, for the first time this season...' represents so much for so many.
Julien QPR-ed. Maybe learn from it all at some point you Dunning-Kruger fcuks. |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 20:14 - Mar 2 with 938 views | Dorse |
Are... are we the CURSE? |  |
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| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 20:27 - Mar 2 with 903 views | BklynRanger |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 20:14 - Mar 2 by Dorse |
Are... are we the CURSE? |
I think it's possible | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 21:46 - Mar 2 with 774 views | robith |
My late father told me you should never leave before the end. Drilled into me.
I was lobbying us to go to the pub from the 65th minute having missed the first ten minutes of the second half. I wasn't even drinking, I just could not be bothered to go back and watch.
Afterwards I felt great sadness that I hadn't won the day and we bothered to watch the rest of that rigmarole when I could've been doing literally anything else with my time |  | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 23:52 - Mar 2 with 637 views | 1JD |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 10:29 - Mar 2 by Hunterhoop |
That press conference of Stephan’s definitely points at discord behind the scenes. It was very similar in tone to Cifuentes around this time last year.
It also sounds like this discord amongst the senior management, which is interesting.
I think Jordan’s post is interesting. I’ve said it before, I think there is an issue with standards at the club. I think there is an issue with the balance of the squad, and has been for two seasons now. We know there is a clear issue on the fitness/injuries front. We know the club comms to fans is minimal and often disingenuous. The state of the pitch. The lack of youth development. Paul Furlong. Treatment of Rayan Kolli. Worsening financials. £25m spent in two years (thank god for the Eze sell on)… I think there is a distinct lack of accountability anywhere. I think the leadership actively shuns accountability rather than driving it throughout the club, because it would highlight their own failings.
The training ground is the biggest success and best thing the club have done in the last decade, but that was completed before the current leadership came into their roles.
Our youth development looks in a worst state now than 12 months ago. Even, 24 months ago. We had Kolli coming through. We then picked up Morgan. Sutton was spoken about. Tuck a little too. Even Joe Walsh. Bennie the only one who’s “come through” in the last 12 months, and we bought him from Aus. Not aware of anyone knocking on the first team squad’s door currently from the EDS.
Things take time, I get that. People might say without the injuries we’d have been top 6. Possibly. Possibly not. I think the standards issue may have put paid to that. But top half, certainly. The move to a Cat 1 academy is also good news (if it happens).
But you have to hold yourself accountable for things that haven’t gone well or to plan. Assess them. Learn from them. Adapt and do better. Don’t try to tell everyone there have been no mistakes. That does not improve things. It’s just ego and role protection. It’s for the benefit of you, not the benefit of the club.
You can argue we’re moving in the right direction, slowly. But you can also argue we’re potentially moving in the wrong direction, but £25m of spending on the first team in two seasons has masked that as we tread water in lower mid table. |
Top post. | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 12:46 - Mar 3 with 396 views | Paddyhoops |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 07:06 - Mar 2 by johnhoop |
See there’s no mark given for Kone? For me he was our man of the match.
Didn’t stop running and challenging for the ball for the whole ninety minutes, even though it looked like he was being held together by gaffer tape.Very unlucky to have the goal ruled out as well. [Post edited 2 Mar 7:07]
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Sorry downvoted by mistake . Thought Kone was pretty decent | | | |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 09:21 - Mar 4 with 222 views | dm97 |
| Sunrise, sunset – Report on 10:29 - Mar 2 by Hunterhoop |
That press conference of Stephan’s definitely points at discord behind the scenes. It was very similar in tone to Cifuentes around this time last year.
It also sounds like this discord amongst the senior management, which is interesting.
I think Jordan’s post is interesting. I’ve said it before, I think there is an issue with standards at the club. I think there is an issue with the balance of the squad, and has been for two seasons now. We know there is a clear issue on the fitness/injuries front. We know the club comms to fans is minimal and often disingenuous. The state of the pitch. The lack of youth development. Paul Furlong. Treatment of Rayan Kolli. Worsening financials. £25m spent in two years (thank god for the Eze sell on)… I think there is a distinct lack of accountability anywhere. I think the leadership actively shuns accountability rather than driving it throughout the club, because it would highlight their own failings.
The training ground is the biggest success and best thing the club have done in the last decade, but that was completed before the current leadership came into their roles.
Our youth development looks in a worst state now than 12 months ago. Even, 24 months ago. We had Kolli coming through. We then picked up Morgan. Sutton was spoken about. Tuck a little too. Even Joe Walsh. Bennie the only one who’s “come through” in the last 12 months, and we bought him from Aus. Not aware of anyone knocking on the first team squad’s door currently from the EDS.
Things take time, I get that. People might say without the injuries we’d have been top 6. Possibly. Possibly not. I think the standards issue may have put paid to that. But top half, certainly. The move to a Cat 1 academy is also good news (if it happens).
But you have to hold yourself accountable for things that haven’t gone well or to plan. Assess them. Learn from them. Adapt and do better. Don’t try to tell everyone there have been no mistakes. That does not improve things. It’s just ego and role protection. It’s for the benefit of you, not the benefit of the club.
You can argue we’re moving in the right direction, slowly. But you can also argue we’re potentially moving in the wrong direction, but £25m of spending on the first team in two seasons has masked that as we tread water in lower mid table. |
Excellent post and can’t agree more.
‘Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan’ has never been more apt than for the current leadership. |  | | |
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