| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals 08:45 - Nov 10 with 942 views | FDC |
With the heavy caveats that a) I'm taking these stats on faith and b) they say nothing about e.g the *quality* of the progressive pass, I nevertheless thought this was interesting.
Dunne makes approximately 50% more progressive passes per 90 than Ronnie.
Both players win about the same amount of aerial duals.
JCS and Ronnie are bang average on these two measures
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 08:59 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Random_Ranger |
Not sure I can take seriously a set of stats where Jimmy is considered to be inconsistent aerially or have my eyes been deceiving me? |  | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:00 - Nov 10 with 0 views | dmm |
An interesting chart, FDC. Would a progressive pass simply mean a pass forward or is there more to that term? |  | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:05 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Random_Ranger |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:00 - Nov 10 by dmm |
An interesting chart, FDC. Would a progressive pass simply mean a pass forward or is there more to that term? |
According to Twitter comments it is "line-breaking pass completed". Who knows exactly what that means. If that means a pass to Varane (ie past their attack) only for him to just pass straight back, not that exciting really!! | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:06 - Nov 10 with 0 views | stevec |
Saw this somewhere yesterday.
Apparently Ronnie and JCS are better than Dunne in the air. Another ‘statistic’ that confirms the world’s gone fckin mad. |  | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:18 - Nov 10 with 0 views | FDC |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:00 - Nov 10 by dmm |
An interesting chart, FDC. Would a progressive pass simply mean a pass forward or is there more to that term? |
Yeah no idea - the eye test would certainly suggest that Ronnie's forward passes are more consequential. Presumably progressive pass could count anything like a short pass under no pressure to Poku on the halfway line. | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:19 - Nov 10 with 0 views | FDC |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:05 - Nov 10 by Random_Ranger |
According to Twitter comments it is "line-breaking pass completed". Who knows exactly what that means. If that means a pass to Varane (ie past their attack) only for him to just pass straight back, not that exciting really!! |
Yeah, this. | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:38 - Nov 10 with 0 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Sounds a load of ol' bollox! |  |
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:59 - Nov 10 with 0 views | robith |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 09:06 - Nov 10 by stevec |
Saw this somewhere yesterday.
Apparently Ronnie and JCS are better than Dunne in the air. Another ‘statistic’ that confirms the world’s gone fckin mad. |
I agree. I looked it up and Jimmy's "only" won 58.9% of his aerial duels apparently, which is baffling to me
But both Edwards and Dunne are in the top 10% in the league for xG and actual goals conceded whilst on the pitch, which is the more important stat [Post edited 10 Nov 10:01]
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 10:04 - Nov 10 with 0 views | TheChef |
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Innit bruv. |  |
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 10:11 - Nov 10 with 0 views | DWQPR |
When you have Pierce Charles in goal it would be no wonder that both Jimmy and Ronnie are lower down on the stats, but if progressive passes mean lumping the ball up front then they will be lower down, but then look at the quality of the passes they do make. Would also be interesting to put Charles in with this graph. I suspect he would be off the top corner. | |
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 11:10 - Nov 10 with 0 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Seems odd alright.
Maybe - maybe - Dunne's aerial won %age is hampered by the amount of corners he jumps for at the near post, only for them to fall a few yards short? |  |
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 11:29 - Nov 10 with 0 views | robith |
Jimmy also dribbles more than Ronnie, which is surprising to me | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 11:35 - Nov 10 with 0 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 11:29 - Nov 10 by robith |
Jimmy also dribbles more than Ronnie, which is surprising to me |
Aaaahhhhh...but not as handsome. | |
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| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 12:33 - Nov 10 with 0 views | BristolR |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 11:35 - Nov 10 by BrianMcCarthy |
Aaaahhhhh...but not as handsome. |
Have yet to meet a handsome dribbler, to be fair Brian
It’s the spittle that ruins it for me |  | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 13:42 - Nov 10 with 0 views | FDC |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 10:04 - Nov 10 by TheChef |
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Innit bruv. |
People do seem to get irrationally upset by statistics!
As a researcher I use inferential stats a lot, to test hypotheses. There's really no other way to determine the significance of a difference, an association etc
The error is when people over interpret - or misinterpret - what any given stat represents. As already mentioned, with these descriptive statistics it's not clear what is counted as a progressive pass.
But rejecting statistics outright as something not be trusted is an error in the other direction! | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 14:00 - Nov 10 with 0 views | BklynRanger |
Could be the old denominator rearing its wonky head again.
As in maybe Jimmy goes for more headers than Ronnie or JCS? Stretching to get things that he can't quite reach in the sort of 'none shall pass' style we all know and appreciate. Not a criticism of the other two, more about style of play.
Similarly you may have Ronnie and JCS looking to thread balls that don't always come off, whereas Jimmy maybe focuses more on keeping it moving. He probably does collect more balls square of the keeper than the other two, so again my eyes might agree with that. |  | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 14:01 - Nov 10 with 0 views | robith |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 13:42 - Nov 10 by FDC |
People do seem to get irrationally upset by statistics!
As a researcher I use inferential stats a lot, to test hypotheses. There's really no other way to determine the significance of a difference, an association etc
The error is when people over interpret - or misinterpret - what any given stat represents. As already mentioned, with these descriptive statistics it's not clear what is counted as a progressive pass.
But rejecting statistics outright as something not be trusted is an error in the other direction! |
Yeah, the key thing is from what I can scrape from these charts, neither of these metrics have any correlation to league position, and since aerial duels also includes attacking set pieces it's actually borderline meaningless as an insight into defensive prowess (also the majority of them fall into a pretty narrow band for it) | | | |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 14:22 - Nov 10 with 0 views | TheChef |
| Centre backs progressive passing and aerial duals on 13:42 - Nov 10 by FDC |
People do seem to get irrationally upset by statistics!
As a researcher I use inferential stats a lot, to test hypotheses. There's really no other way to determine the significance of a difference, an association etc
The error is when people over interpret - or misinterpret - what any given stat represents. As already mentioned, with these descriptive statistics it's not clear what is counted as a progressive pass.
But rejecting statistics outright as something not be trusted is an error in the other direction! |
Well I work in insight and analytics so my comment was only slightly tongue in cheek  | |
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