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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... 08:59 - Mar 14 with 1971 viewsbollockchops

first question according to Brian Moore we are struggling at the wrong end of the table but only two seasons later we are at the top however the nucleus of that winning side is already there at Highbury Francis,Parkes,Gillard,Clement Bowles so my question is what happened to change our form was it a certain player coming in or a change of style ?

second question no club badge on shirt ,was that normal back then ?

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 11:13 - Mar 14 with 1858 viewsEsox_Lucius

The players would have been ripped to shreds on SM these days for some of the defending

The grass is always greener.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 12:01 - Mar 14 with 1822 viewsbollockchops

im not impressed with Don Rogers
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 13:03 - Mar 14 with 1774 viewsCamberleyR

In answer to the OP, the signing of Don Masson by Dave Sexton in the December of that season changed it around. He was the final piece of the jigsaw, someone able to pick a pass in the attacking third. His set piece delivery either from corners of free kicks was also top class as well. It was amazing that he'd never played top flight football until he came to Rangers.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 13:16 - Mar 14 with 1726 views2Thomas2Bowles

Shirt and Badge
To do with makers Admiral and Umbro switching at the time.

In 1974 Rangers adopted Admiral as their kit supplier, beginning a period of bewildering variations: the contract with Admiral lasted for half the season before unbranded shirts, with white collars replaced them. At the end of the season, the team were wearing Umbro. In the summer of 1975, the team were photographed wearing Adidas shirts, the first time an English team had worn the iconic trefoil logo and three-stripe trim. At the time, Adidas were expanding and had started to produce football strips in addition to their traditional qpr crest 1975business of football boots. They had a contractual arrangement with Umbro at the time and it was the English company that supplied the team's strip for the following season, which for the first time, featured the club badge. From October the hoops were noticeably more narrow and the crew neck was in blue.

In 1976 Rangers turned out in Adidas (without a crest): for the first match they wore narrow hoops from Adidas' stock before a more traditional width was delivered in time for their second game.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 13:19 - Mar 14 with 1728 viewsBoston

We had a good team in ‘74, as far as I recall it was Arsenal who were flirting with relegation.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 14:00 - Mar 14 with 1679 views2Thomas2Bowles

Stan also without Shinpads

Rogers was such a disappointment, most were excited at him coming.

Brady not in the game at all.

I was in the clock end with my best mate at the time.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 14:52 - Mar 14 with 1619 viewsDannyPaddox

Don’t think we had a club badge on the shirt from 1959 till 1975.

Does anyone have any memories of the Arsenal away game in April ‘74? Last game of the season. It was my first visit to Highbury. Neither team had anything to play for but I seem to remember Alan Ball went off with a broken leg and it was something to do with Stan. I can’t imagine Bowles breaking someone’s leg. All I can remember it was a sultry evening and there seemed to be a house in the actual Highbury stadium and I wondered what it would be like to live in a football stadium. (Now I just wonder what it would be like to visit a football stadium)

Update: A cursory google search says Ball’s leg break was after a tackle from Terry Venables. Stan scored that night in a 1-1 draw. Bob Wilson’s last game for Arsenal.

I say there was nothing to play for but if Arsenal had have won they would gone above us and been top London team - which I think may have meant something back then. It was the first time ever we were top London team as we proudly announced on the cover of Ron Hunt’s Testimonial programme only 3 days later. So for us anyway it was a big thing - and rightly so.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 16:13 - Mar 14 with 1532 viewsterryb

Unbeaten after the first two games of the season, drawing away to Sheffield United & then winning at Elland Road. I think the first home match was a 1-0 defeat to Stoke when Hurst scored with their only attack of the game in the last minute!

A bad run saw us at/towards the bottom of the table until we won at home to top of the league Ipswich. After signing Don Masson we were the best side in the country for a couple of months, which was widely acknowledged in the game.

The FA Cup was there for our taking until West Ham butchered us at Upton park in the 5th round. From memory we ended up with eight fit players on the pitch plus three walking wounded. From memory we had used our only sub in the first ten minutes. Stanley & Dave Thomas were subjected to the "innocent" tackles that were more associated with Ron Harris & Blind Eddie (especially when playing against Leeds).

Thank you messrs Bonds, Taylor, Lampard & Robson!

The club badge had been changed in the previous few seasons & most supporters regarded the previous badge (Hammersmith coat of arms) as our correct one. Hammersmith council disagreed! I still refuse to accept any badge for my club since the HCOA as legitimate!
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 16:31 - Mar 14 with 1515 viewsBoston

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 16:13 - Mar 14 by terryb

Unbeaten after the first two games of the season, drawing away to Sheffield United & then winning at Elland Road. I think the first home match was a 1-0 defeat to Stoke when Hurst scored with their only attack of the game in the last minute!

A bad run saw us at/towards the bottom of the table until we won at home to top of the league Ipswich. After signing Don Masson we were the best side in the country for a couple of months, which was widely acknowledged in the game.

The FA Cup was there for our taking until West Ham butchered us at Upton park in the 5th round. From memory we ended up with eight fit players on the pitch plus three walking wounded. From memory we had used our only sub in the first ten minutes. Stanley & Dave Thomas were subjected to the "innocent" tackles that were more associated with Ron Harris & Blind Eddie (especially when playing against Leeds).

Thank you messrs Bonds, Taylor, Lampard & Robson!

The club badge had been changed in the previous few seasons & most supporters regarded the previous badge (Hammersmith coat of arms) as our correct one. Hammersmith council disagreed! I still refuse to accept any badge for my club since the HCOA as legitimate!


Indeed I still have a silk with the old coat of arms on it...but the blue is now purple!

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 16:59 - Mar 14 with 1489 viewsCamberleyR

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 14:52 - Mar 14 by DannyPaddox

Don’t think we had a club badge on the shirt from 1959 till 1975.

Does anyone have any memories of the Arsenal away game in April ‘74? Last game of the season. It was my first visit to Highbury. Neither team had anything to play for but I seem to remember Alan Ball went off with a broken leg and it was something to do with Stan. I can’t imagine Bowles breaking someone’s leg. All I can remember it was a sultry evening and there seemed to be a house in the actual Highbury stadium and I wondered what it would be like to live in a football stadium. (Now I just wonder what it would be like to visit a football stadium)

Update: A cursory google search says Ball’s leg break was after a tackle from Terry Venables. Stan scored that night in a 1-1 draw. Bob Wilson’s last game for Arsenal.

I say there was nothing to play for but if Arsenal had have won they would gone above us and been top London team - which I think may have meant something back then. It was the first time ever we were top London team as we proudly announced on the cover of Ron Hunt’s Testimonial programme only 3 days later. So for us anyway it was a big thing - and rightly so.

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The 'Top London Club' needs a ©Gerry Francis next to it.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 17:26 - Mar 14 with 1443 viewsBoston

73/74 Table...after we'd beaten Arsenal 2-0 at Loftus Rd.
http://stats.football.co.uk/snapshot_tables/1973_1974/27/oct/queens_park_rangers

Full season results, click on table to see we finished 8th.
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1973_1974/queens_park_rangers/index

But, there is something amiss, anyone else notice, certainly those of a certain vintage would be more likely to pick it up?
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 17:28 - Mar 14 with 1445 viewsQPRSteve

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 16:13 - Mar 14 by terryb

Unbeaten after the first two games of the season, drawing away to Sheffield United & then winning at Elland Road. I think the first home match was a 1-0 defeat to Stoke when Hurst scored with their only attack of the game in the last minute!

A bad run saw us at/towards the bottom of the table until we won at home to top of the league Ipswich. After signing Don Masson we were the best side in the country for a couple of months, which was widely acknowledged in the game.

The FA Cup was there for our taking until West Ham butchered us at Upton park in the 5th round. From memory we ended up with eight fit players on the pitch plus three walking wounded. From memory we had used our only sub in the first ten minutes. Stanley & Dave Thomas were subjected to the "innocent" tackles that were more associated with Ron Harris & Blind Eddie (especially when playing against Leeds).

Thank you messrs Bonds, Taylor, Lampard & Robson!

The club badge had been changed in the previous few seasons & most supporters regarded the previous badge (Hammersmith coat of arms) as our correct one. Hammersmith council disagreed! I still refuse to accept any badge for my club since the HCOA as legitimate!


Was at Upton Park for that game. Disgraceful performance from a club that was supposed to pride itself in playing proper football. Lampard was shown up for the thug was. Never liked them since.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 18:36 - Mar 14 with 1398 viewsBoston

Oh and...74/75 results Wonder why the two Carlisle crowds are printed/
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1974_1975/queens_park_rangers/index

Edit..that season Carlisle were top after the first three games, they finished bottom. As mentioned before, never forgot when they scored in our home fixture against them - two gents jumping up and down in the School End.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 19:00 - Mar 14 with 1370 viewsterryb

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 18:36 - Mar 14 by Boston

Oh and...74/75 results Wonder why the two Carlisle crowds are printed/
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1974_1975/queens_park_rangers/index

Edit..that season Carlisle were top after the first three games, they finished bottom. As mentioned before, never forgot when they scored in our home fixture against them - two gents jumping up and down in the School End.
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Away to Carlisle on 22/2/75. My wedding day!

The date was carefully chosen as I wouldn't be going to the Scottish borders & my wife to be, wasn't going to Old Trafford following Ipswich. She had done that the previous season.

My father did announce the two results at the reception!

Carlisle had won at Stamford Bridge on the opening day to go top of the league.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 19:02 - Mar 14 with 1370 viewsflynnbo

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 18:36 - Mar 14 by Boston

Oh and...74/75 results Wonder why the two Carlisle crowds are printed/
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1974_1975/queens_park_rangers/index

Edit..that season Carlisle were top after the first three games, they finished bottom. As mentioned before, never forgot when they scored in our home fixture against them - two gents jumping up and down in the School End.
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Saw them win 3-0 at Chelscum.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 20:24 - Mar 14 with 1321 viewsBrianMcCarthy

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 17:26 - Mar 14 by Boston

73/74 Table...after we'd beaten Arsenal 2-0 at Loftus Rd.
http://stats.football.co.uk/snapshot_tables/1973_1974/27/oct/queens_park_rangers

Full season results, click on table to see we finished 8th.
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1973_1974/queens_park_rangers/index

But, there is something amiss, anyone else notice, certainly those of a certain vintage would be more likely to pick it up?
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2 points for a win back then.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:22 - Mar 14 with 1245 viewsstowmarketrange

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 17:26 - Mar 14 by Boston

73/74 Table...after we'd beaten Arsenal 2-0 at Loftus Rd.
http://stats.football.co.uk/snapshot_tables/1973_1974/27/oct/queens_park_rangers

Full season results, click on table to see we finished 8th.
http://stats.football.co.uk/results_fixtures/1973_1974/queens_park_rangers/index

But, there is something amiss, anyone else notice, certainly those of a certain vintage would be more likely to pick it up?
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It wasn’t 3points for a win back in those days.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:37 - Mar 14 with 1229 viewsBoston

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:22 - Mar 14 by stowmarketrange

It wasn’t 3points for a win back in those days.


Spot on, but young Brian beat you to it. Though an additional point would have been awarded if you'd spotted they'd called the table the Premier League.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:43 - Mar 14 with 1228 viewsstowmarketrange

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:37 - Mar 14 by Boston

Spot on, but young Brian beat you to it. Though an additional point would have been awarded if you'd spotted they'd called the table the Premier League.


That will teach me to read the whole of the thread first instead of commenting on the bit I’d read.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 09:15 - Mar 15 with 1132 viewsTheChef

We seemed to lose it pretty quickly too, 76/77 season we were not so hot in the League, only just avoided relegation in 77/78, relegated in 78/79.

I suppose losing Sexton to ManU in the summer of '77 didn't really help.

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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 09:38 - Mar 15 with 1113 viewsterryb

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 22:37 - Mar 14 by Boston

Spot on, but young Brian beat you to it. Though an additional point would have been awarded if you'd spotted they'd called the table the Premier League.


The 73/74 season was the first for promoting/relegating three teams. Two up, two down prior to that.
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 10:16 - Mar 15 with 1081 viewsbollockchops

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 13:03 - Mar 14 by CamberleyR

In answer to the OP, the signing of Don Masson by Dave Sexton in the December of that season changed it around. He was the final piece of the jigsaw, someone able to pick a pass in the attacking third. His set piece delivery either from corners of free kicks was also top class as well. It was amazing that he'd never played top flight football until he came to Rangers.
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What about John Hollins did you rate him ? Camberlyr
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ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 10:50 - Mar 15 with 1049 viewsCamberleyR

ARSENAL V QPR 1974 two questions..... on 10:16 - Mar 15 by bollockchops

What about John Hollins did you rate him ? Camberlyr


John Hollins was a great signing for £80k by Dave Sexton in the summer of 1975, signed after the filth had just been relegated. A bit of an unsung player, he was just what our midfield needed adding a bit of steel, although he could also play a bit. He allowed the likes of Gerry Francis and Don Masson to get forward and supply our brilliant forward line.

He was a very good servant for four seasons and we probably let him go too soon as he then went on to have four good seasons for Arsenal. Overall he played in the top flight for nearly 20 years over 700 games (and played once for England when England had an abundance of midfield talent) so must have been decent.

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