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I notice the same people that wanted Marti out now want JS out. Guys, it really isn't the manager. I don't think replacing the CEO will change much either. It's our absent owners that are the issue. Under this regime the culture of the club will remain 16th in Championship with a few hammerings every season thrown in for good measure.
If the club is ever sold then you may see things change, until then it's doubtful
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 10:55 - Mar 9 with 1248 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 06:35 - Mar 9 by Wegerles_Stairs
Yes, but the sad truth is it's the owners that are the root cause. It will never change while they are still here.
Personally not sure I agree with this.
The owners (both TF and then Ruben) have made terrible decisions for over a decade now. Of that there is no doubt.
Ruben’s absence is not helpful, but also overplayed.
In most businesses in the world the investors (be they private owners, shareholders, private equity, whatever) are not physically present to ensure the running of the club. He doesn’t need to be present nor should he need to be.
He pays people to run the club. Presently, we have a Chairman and a CEO being paid handsomely to run the club for him.
It is the people being paid to run the club who are failing. Ruben keeps the club afloat. Debt is converted to equity so the club itself has limited debt. Yes, his wife now has an option on the training ground, but, in essence that training ground was paid for, and our monthly running costs/losses are paid for. He’s given our current CEO what he’s asked for in terms of: money to spend on players, changing the head coach, implementing his own strategy and structure. As an owner, for a CEO, he’s a brilliant one. The problem is the CEO.
Now, you can rightly blame Hoos for installing him as CEO. I would agree. It was patently a ludicrous gamble at the time. But Hoos is not an owner. There are a few reasons why he might have wanted personally to get someone in as CEO.
The owners, and more recently, Ruben, have made bad decisions. But, as owners, financially, you won’t find many better. And everything else is irrelevant if the financials collapse, as you’re seeing at Sheff Wed.
Ruben is a good owner in terms of what he does financially for the club. There are a lot of sharks in football. I don’t think he is one. Now is his chance to start making some good decisions…
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 11:38 - Mar 9 with 1163 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 10:55 - Mar 9 by Hunterhoop
Personally not sure I agree with this.
The owners (both TF and then Ruben) have made terrible decisions for over a decade now. Of that there is no doubt.
Ruben’s absence is not helpful, but also overplayed.
In most businesses in the world the investors (be they private owners, shareholders, private equity, whatever) are not physically present to ensure the running of the club. He doesn’t need to be present nor should he need to be.
He pays people to run the club. Presently, we have a Chairman and a CEO being paid handsomely to run the club for him.
It is the people being paid to run the club who are failing. Ruben keeps the club afloat. Debt is converted to equity so the club itself has limited debt. Yes, his wife now has an option on the training ground, but, in essence that training ground was paid for, and our monthly running costs/losses are paid for. He’s given our current CEO what he’s asked for in terms of: money to spend on players, changing the head coach, implementing his own strategy and structure. As an owner, for a CEO, he’s a brilliant one. The problem is the CEO.
Now, you can rightly blame Hoos for installing him as CEO. I would agree. It was patently a ludicrous gamble at the time. But Hoos is not an owner. There are a few reasons why he might have wanted personally to get someone in as CEO.
The owners, and more recently, Ruben, have made bad decisions. But, as owners, financially, you won’t find many better. And everything else is irrelevant if the financials collapse, as you’re seeing at Sheff Wed.
Ruben is a good owner in terms of what he does financially for the club. There are a lot of sharks in football. I don’t think he is one. Now is his chance to start making some good decisions…
Take your point, Hunter - without our owners, we are sunk. We are Sheff Wed.
I guess the counter-argument is good old/bad old Human Hierarchy - in any organisation. Whether they want to be or not, owners of a football club are inevitably At The Top. Finance is power over everything - especially in the football world. As such, by dint of being what they are, our owners will always Set The Tone. They can't not.
So if they are deliberately absent, not asking questions and just delegating completely, this will filter down and, perhaps, lead to a more relaxed, less-focused culture than is required. ('The Real Bosses aren't really bothered, so why am I?').
It's always difficult, because our owners are clearly business people not English football experts. But as Mark Warburton used to say, "they write the cheques". It's their barn. And if they are not more on it, its bound to have an affect on what goes on beneath them over time.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 11:50 - Mar 9 with 1112 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 23:55 - Mar 8 by Northernr
I feel like I'm losing my mind mate. When is this fanbase going to wake up? How many more of those today am I going to sit through?
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I’ve got to the point where I don’t want to go and watch us at the moment so I swerved yesterday as the KO time was shit but also feared we’d lose comfortably
Don’t regret the decision to stay at home.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 11:54 - Mar 9 with 1087 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 23:55 - Mar 8 by Northernr
I feel like I'm losing my mind mate. When is this fanbase going to wake up? How many more of those today am I going to sit through?
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Is the answer an infinite groundhog amount of times given the current circumstances?
I completely agree we would be Sheffield Wednesday without the owners (although we do seem to have come out in sympathy in how we are playing) I feel Stephan is losing the will to live and has been thrown under the bus perhaps with instructions from above and the injuries? How this many injuries to star players is possible almost at the same time? Why the manager is being told some of these are close to playing and being made to look like an idiot in the process? How can a side that draws 0-0 a few weeks ago now ship 4+ goals a game and what does Steve Bould actually do? How the f*ck do we string some points together at the moment?
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 11:38 - Mar 9 by loftus77
Take your point, Hunter - without our owners, we are sunk. We are Sheff Wed.
I guess the counter-argument is good old/bad old Human Hierarchy - in any organisation. Whether they want to be or not, owners of a football club are inevitably At The Top. Finance is power over everything - especially in the football world. As such, by dint of being what they are, our owners will always Set The Tone. They can't not.
So if they are deliberately absent, not asking questions and just delegating completely, this will filter down and, perhaps, lead to a more relaxed, less-focused culture than is required. ('The Real Bosses aren't really bothered, so why am I?').
It's always difficult, because our owners are clearly business people not English football experts. But as Mark Warburton used to say, "they write the cheques". It's their barn. And if they are not more on it, its bound to have an affect on what goes on beneath them over time.
Agree with all of that, Loftus. It’s why who they appoint to run the club is such a critical decision. And appointing a 26 year old, who had absolutely no relevant experience on his CV to make him a CEO seemed and who had no background in the playing side of football at all to be a DOF, utterly barmy at the time, and still does.
It was a gamble. It hasn’t worked. Pull up stumps. Get a new CEO in. Ask him to hire a DOF. Start again. You can still look to develop youth, progress with the Cat 1 plan, and try to buy low and sell high. There is nothing in that which is rocket science and it’s what the club was doing in the 90s. It’s what Les and Hoos tried to do. None of that strategy is tied to Nourry.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:21 - Mar 9 with 985 views
I would rather the owners stay, become present and make some decent decisions, don't get me wrong.
But I don't agree that "without the owners, we are Sheffield Wednesday".
I find that a bit counter intuitive. We all think their heart is in the right place, yes? So therefore they would seem unlikely to pull the plug on the club. I think if their heart is no longer in it / can't face the losses - I trust them to find a respectable buyer.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:22 - Mar 9 with 978 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:21 - Mar 9 by GaryBannister86
I would rather the owners stay, become present and make some decent decisions, don't get me wrong.
But I don't agree that "without the owners, we are Sheffield Wednesday".
I find that a bit counter intuitive. We all think their heart is in the right place, yes? So therefore they would seem unlikely to pull the plug on the club. I think if their heart is no longer in it / can't face the losses - I trust them to find a respectable buyer.
Mate, I think that is a LOT harder than people realise…
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:24 - Mar 9 with 967 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:22 - Mar 9 by Hunterhoop
Mate, I think that is a LOT harder than people realise…
I know, Hunter, that they won't exactly be queuing around the block. All I am saying is, I genuinely don't believe we are not a half-decent proposition for an owner somewhere.
People have bought us before, I reckon they will do again.
Not saying there is some golden ticket out there, just that I think we will be OK and that we shouldn't treat these owners with kid gloves because the alternative is doom.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:29 - Mar 9 with 939 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:24 - Mar 9 by GaryBannister86
I know, Hunter, that they won't exactly be queuing around the block. All I am saying is, I genuinely don't believe we are not a half-decent proposition for an owner somewhere.
People have bought us before, I reckon they will do again.
Not saying there is some golden ticket out there, just that I think we will be OK and that we shouldn't treat these owners with kid gloves because the alternative is doom.
They have been looking for two years…
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:32 - Mar 9 with 924 views
It all comes down to leadership and responsibility. The Board now have a decision to make given Ruben is pumping north of £22M into the club per season to keep us afloat.
For nigh on 10 plus years that investment and support hasn’t delivered anything of note - not even close. Nourry’s pre-occupation on this youth model is flawed both from a playing and financial perspective. The player recruitment appears to have no semblance of success and player retention is a joke - how many goalkeepers do we have.
I listened to Issac Hayden recently and he made a point about the Belgium league being the closest to the level of the Championship. Instead we are recruiting from SE Asia!
It’s obvious that Nourry is a big problem and he needs to be dealt with quickly and replaced before the whole thing sinks into oblivion and Ruben walks away!
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:35 - Mar 9 with 905 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:24 - Mar 9 by GaryBannister86
I know, Hunter, that they won't exactly be queuing around the block. All I am saying is, I genuinely don't believe we are not a half-decent proposition for an owner somewhere.
People have bought us before, I reckon they will do again.
Not saying there is some golden ticket out there, just that I think we will be OK and that we shouldn't treat these owners with kid gloves because the alternative is doom.
Those were six very stressful and difficult years between Wright stepping down in 2001 and Briatore buying the club in 2007, often straying into real existential fear. And QPR had far smaller debts and was a much cheaper proposition then.I would not return to those days.
A Championship club will fold in the next decade when the football bubble bursts, and one with so much valuable West London land as its only assets but tens of millions of debt with more accumulated each month is a good bet.
Better off just hoping they hire a new CEO and DOF in the summer.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:38 - Mar 9 with 877 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:35 - Mar 9 by TK1
Those were six very stressful and difficult years between Wright stepping down in 2001 and Briatore buying the club in 2007, often straying into real existential fear. And QPR had far smaller debts and was a much cheaper proposition then.I would not return to those days.
A Championship club will fold in the next decade when the football bubble bursts, and one with so much valuable West London land as its only assets but tens of millions of debt with more accumulated each month is a good bet.
Better off just hoping they hire a new CEO and DOF in the summer.
Understood, and I know there's a risk, but also for any owners there are now much bigger rewards both financially and fame-wise than before.
I do get it - would much rather current owners stay, work it out, hire proper management.
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 15:41 - Mar 9 with 634 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:21 - Mar 9 by GaryBannister86
I would rather the owners stay, become present and make some decent decisions, don't get me wrong.
But I don't agree that "without the owners, we are Sheffield Wednesday".
I find that a bit counter intuitive. We all think their heart is in the right place, yes? So therefore they would seem unlikely to pull the plug on the club. I think if their heart is no longer in it / can't face the losses - I trust them to find a respectable buyer.
"Ello mate wanna buy a Championship football club?" --Sure, how much? "Well, we spent a lot to buy it, and we built a training ground, so lets say £250m?" --WHAT! "Oh yeah, and the ground is the oldest in London, so you have a limited capacity with no room to expand" "Currently it loses £2m a month, every month, before a ball is kicked"
If anyone wants to say yes to any of the above, then maybe they aren't the kind of owner we want?
However, it might be time to look at the Chairman, CEO and DoF after yet another season of treading water at 16th.
This year has arguably been a bigger push than in the Warbs season where we stated we were looking for the playoffs. I think this year, much like a Varane pass we have gone backwards.
Our key aims have all been missed, I don't see any tangible player sales, our youth development has been poor and our fitness/performance is a joke.
If this was any of us in our respective jobs the big boss would want a chat and our excuses need to be lined up. --I don't see the manager as the problem this time, unless he has lost the dressing room!
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Hoopsa on today's horror show on 04:47 - Mar 10 with 275 views
Hoopsa on today's horror show on 12:22 - Mar 9 by Hunterhoop
Mate, I think that is a LOT harder than people realise…
Hey, we are an English club based in the City of London, England, only one promotion away from the Premier League, the ultimate holy grail.
All we need to do ,is send a few pretty young women on roller skates, down Hollywood Boulevard, handing out leaflets, but first we need to sign the Netflix deal.
Appeal to the egos of the super rich and tug the heart strings and suggest glamour, sex and pukka pies..
For this club to progress it needs a spark of something, whether that be ownership, player, ground, management, footballing strategy, cup run (laugh), play off place etc. For me, since QPR fell out of the top tier in the mid 90s there has been no real pattern to anything we do and loss of top tier status just as the Prem was taking off probably hit the club harder than most. From then on it's all throw mud at the wall and hope it sticks, even the Warnock & Redknapp promotions. The new training centre is probably the best thing structurally that has happened to the club in the last 40 years, since the ground was re-developed in the early 80s, finding and developing a player like Eze another plus point. I am sorry to say this we are a tier 2 team our only hope of progression is that spark and until that happens we will continue on the current mediocre pathway. For clubs like QPR we have to work harder to achieve things and when you get that thing you have to work even harder to maintain it, something that in my view has been missing for years since the loss of Premier football in the mid 90s.
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