| Just that sort of a week - Report on 11:24 - Oct 31 with 2635 views | Noelmc |
Thanks Clive. A very fair refection on the game and the disapointing week itself.
You completely nailed it with, "This division and its fans are trapped in an abusive relationship with Sky — wholly reliant on and addicted to its money, but being treated like absolutely shite as a result". |  | |  |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 11:52 - Oct 31 with 2571 views | Antti_Heinola |
Agree Noel.
There should be some sort of cap on TV games - with teams having a minimum and maximum each season. There must be a fairer way. |  |
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| Just that sort of a week - Report on 12:16 - Oct 31 with 2510 views | Northernr |
I'm obviously going to do my annual Sky rant for a preview at some point, just waiting to see if my suspicions about Christmas are confirmed first.
The Championship needs a TV deal, and TV companies need to move games. However, particularly after the pandemic and all that 'football without fans is nothing' guff, I would have thought it a better idea to come out all gun's blazing as the 'friend of the football fan' if I were in Sky's shoes. Do a huge fcking campaign around it - we've missed you, we've heard you. No more Newcastle at Bournemouth on a Monday night etc.
Some stuff they could do immediately, starting today, at no extra cost to themselves, and use as a positive bit of marketing for their service.
1 - Picks further in advance. Advance train fares go on sale three months prior to departure, that should be the cut off for football games. ATM they do a list of dates that they will "try and make their picks by" at the start of the season, and then miss that deadline every time. And often that deadline is only 5 or 6 weeks prior. Here's the Championship fixture list for March 5. I think it's pretty fcking obvious they're going to want Sheff Utd Forest from this list of drek. Move it now. What's stopping you? They already know what games they've moved where for Christmas, why haven't they told us?
Bristol City v Birmingham City
Derby Countyv Barnsley
Fulhamv Blackburn Rovers
Huddersfield Town v Peterborough United
Hull City v West Bromwich Albion
Middlesbrough v Luton Town
Preston North End v AFC Bournemouth
Queens Park Rangers v Cardiff City
Reading v Millwall
Sheffield United v Nottingham Forest
Stoke City v Blackpool
Swansea City v Coventry City
2 - More empathetic picks. How on earth do you end up sending Boro to Cardiff at 12.30 on a Saturday when Preston are playing Blackpool at 3pm? That's just fcking simple stuff. Don't be a cnt about it.
3 - Maximum and minimum selections. They did it with Leeds, Brentford, and now with us. 15/23 games when Luton have been on twice is a joke.
4 - For the really antisocial ones (Thursday and Monday nights), they should be forced to declare those at the start of the season. When they stopped doing live Rugby League on Saturday nights and did it on Thursdays instead the fans were up in arms - M62 Thursday night, work the following day. By way of a peace offering they agreed to do all their Thursday night picks at the start of the season, so at least you knew. No reason that can't happen in the Championship.
5 -Stop using the Championship as a cockblock for BT and Amazon Premier League games. Sometimes another channel will have a football game and you won't. That's fine. We're worth more than simply being used to shave a slither of audience off Amazon's fcking audience.
6 - Some of the kick off times (11.30am, 8pm Saturday) there is just absolutely no need or excuse for. There does not need to be a football game every minute of every day. |  | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 12:45 - Oct 31 with 2447 views | Antti_Heinola |
Agree with every word. Absolutely nothing in there is controversial or remotely unreasonable. | |
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| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:06 - Oct 31 with 2394 views | stevec |
Agree with all you say but ultimately it will be about audience share and if QPR/Forest attracts a bigger one than Preston/Luton then our games will be on far more often.
There’s also the kickback, if audiences lower on Championship with unfashionable choices who’s to say they won’t reduce the payouts we get each season?
It’s an absolute pain in the arse, I can’t stand Friday night games, but until clubs come up with a novel way to cover the 106/100% wages to income ratio then I guess we’re stuck with it. |  | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:11 - Oct 31 with 2376 views | Northernr |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:06 - Oct 31 by stevec |
Agree with all you say but ultimately it will be about audience share and if QPR/Forest attracts a bigger one than Preston/Luton then our games will be on far more often.
There’s also the kickback, if audiences lower on Championship with unfashionable choices who’s to say they won’t reduce the payouts we get each season?
It’s an absolute pain in the arse, I can’t stand Friday night games, but until clubs come up with a novel way to cover the 106/100% wages to income ratio then I guess we’re stuck with it. |
All good, sound points. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:21 - Oct 31 with 2354 views | francisbowles |
Great report, agree with all of it except the referee. I think you are looking at him as a cheap bit of ham in the middle of the bread (Stroud and Woolmer). I think he was a bit more fish paste.
As for Sky, at least some of your points should be doable. It's time for some supporters organisation to start a campaign or boycott until there is a bit more fairness in selection for the clubs and their fans. Maybe introduce a substantial financial penalty that Sky have to pay to any club that is covered more than the divisional average. |  | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:24 - Oct 31 with 2203 views | MrSheen |
Crowd dynamics are unpredictable, but it was a lost opportunity when we didn’t join in with the Forest fans Sky TV chants. In this, we’re in it together. |  | | |
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| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:28 - Oct 31 with 2186 views | ted_hendrix |
Do we really need the Sky cash? on the match thread there were posters complaining about the Sky commentators but obviously happy to contribute gawd knows how much every Month for the so called privalage of having the goddam thing.
Yes of course the cash is handy but clubs have managed one way or another for decades without Sky, I told Sky to feck the feck off years ago and delighted I did, I had my bloody dish thing for about 18 Months. |  |
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| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:34 - Oct 31 with 2172 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:11 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
All good, sound points. |
Agree with Clive and Steve C there.
Don't want to get all political, but as this was our last home game before remembrance Sunday, what we were supposed to do - ignore it this year?
Can't agree with the criticism of that - unusual error of judgment there for me. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:58 - Oct 31 with 2116 views | Northernr |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:34 - Oct 31 by PinnerPaul |
Agree with Clive and Steve C there.
Don't want to get all political, but as this was our last home game before remembrance Sunday, what we were supposed to do - ignore it this year?
Can't agree with the criticism of that - unusual error of judgment there for me. |
Ok, I'll try and tread very carefully here, because I really don't want to cause any offence, and nor do I want it to turn into a classic big message board row. I donate, I wear a poppy, I was taught about its importance from a very young age by my parents and grandparents. But my personal opinion about this is that football's approach/attitude or whatever you want to call it about Rembrance Sunday is getting a bit weird. It almost feels like the commercialisation of Christmas.
In direct answer to the question, yes, I think we should have left it, as I believe Stoke did. It's a quirk of this year's fixture list that we don't have a home game anywhere near November 11, there's no need to force it.
Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but up until maybe a decade ago that's exactly what would have happened. For the games on the weekend of the 11th, there would have been a silence, and possibly the Last Post. If you didn't have a home game that weekend, it would happen at your away game.
Now what is meant to be a very solemn day of rembrance, and raising some money for the best of causes, is turning into a three week festival of one upmanship. Clubs are both terrified of some sort of backlash if they're somehow not respectiful enough, while at the same time coming up with more and more weird and wonderful ideas to "pay their respects". At Liverpool's game yesterday, on October 30, there's a poppy statue as big as a house in the centre circle. At Tranmere, a bloke dressed as a poppy, in clown shoes, led out to the centre circle by the hand because he can't see. At leicester, a guy in a mime outfit with a giant poppy for a head posing for pics outside the ground. At Rangers, firing a fcking cannon inside the ground. James McClean (who, don't get me wrong, strikes me as a bit of a cnt) gets "WHERE'S YOUR POPPY" abuse in March.
I find it all a bit weird, and mawkish. It's meant to be a solemn day of remembrance, respect, and raising money for ex-servicemen. It's also meant to be about "never again", which I also remember being a big part of the messaging in times gone by that is rather lost now when some people could do with hearing it. Instead it's people and clubs falling over themselves to be the most respectful, wear the biggest poppy, do the grandest pre-match ceremony.
Like I say, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, and I don't want to have a row about this subject more than just about any other. And the way QPR conducted it, as always, with Warren absolutely brilliant, and the names, and the impeccable silence, was perfect in execution and tone, as it always is. But, like I say, in general, I find the direction of this whole thing in football a little weird and at times quite distasteful.
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| Just that sort of a week - Report on 15:03 - Oct 31 with 2085 views | PinnerPaul |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:58 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Ok, I'll try and tread very carefully here, because I really don't want to cause any offence, and nor do I want it to turn into a classic big message board row. I donate, I wear a poppy, I was taught about its importance from a very young age by my parents and grandparents. But my personal opinion about this is that football's approach/attitude or whatever you want to call it about Rembrance Sunday is getting a bit weird. It almost feels like the commercialisation of Christmas.
In direct answer to the question, yes, I think we should have left it, as I believe Stoke did. It's a quirk of this year's fixture list that we don't have a home game anywhere near November 11, there's no need to force it.
Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but up until maybe a decade ago that's exactly what would have happened. For the games on the weekend of the 11th, there would have been a silence, and possibly the Last Post. If you didn't have a home game that weekend, it would happen at your away game.
Now what is meant to be a very solemn day of rembrance, and raising some money for the best of causes, is turning into a three week festival of one upmanship. Clubs are both terrified of some sort of backlash if they're somehow not respectiful enough, while at the same time coming up with more and more weird and wonderful ideas to "pay their respects". At Liverpool's game yesterday, on October 30, there's a poppy statue as big as a house in the centre circle. At Tranmere, a bloke dressed as a poppy, in clown shoes, led out to the centre circle by the hand because he can't see. At leicester, a guy in a mime outfit with a giant poppy for a head posing for pics outside the ground. At Rangers, firing a fcking cannon inside the ground. James McClean (who, don't get me wrong, strikes me as a bit of a cnt) gets "WHERE'S YOUR POPPY" abuse in March.
I find it all a bit weird, and mawkish. It's meant to be a solemn day of remembrance, respect, and raising money for ex-servicemen. It's also meant to be about "never again", which I also remember being a big part of the messaging in times gone by that is rather lost now when some people could do with hearing it. Instead it's people and clubs falling over themselves to be the most respectful, wear the biggest poppy, do the grandest pre-match ceremony.
Like I say, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, and I don't want to have a row about this subject more than just about any other. And the way QPR conducted it, as always, with Warren absolutely brilliant, and the names, and the impeccable silence, was perfect in execution and tone, as it always is. But, like I say, in general, I find the direction of this whole thing in football a little weird and at times quite distasteful.
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Fair enough Clive, no row from me.
Actually agree about the other 'ott' events you mention, but as we didn't do any of that, and as you say, our ceremony was impeccably done, can't agree that the fact we did it at our nearest home game to remembrance Sunday is worthy of criticism. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 16:12 - Oct 31 with 1940 views | terryb |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 15:03 - Oct 31 by PinnerPaul |
Fair enough Clive, no row from me.
Actually agree about the other 'ott' events you mention, but as we didn't do any of that, and as you say, our ceremony was impeccably done, can't agree that the fact we did it at our nearest home game to remembrance Sunday is worthy of criticism. |
Actually, it isn't our nearest home game to November 11th. That would be at home to Luton on the 19th.
Why can't it be one week later, rather than two weeks earlier? AND, it's meant to be a minutes silence, not a minutes applause!
Was the playing of The Last Post delayed for Sky, as that it seemed like to me? | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 16:34 - Oct 31 with 1881 views | MrSheen |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:58 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Ok, I'll try and tread very carefully here, because I really don't want to cause any offence, and nor do I want it to turn into a classic big message board row. I donate, I wear a poppy, I was taught about its importance from a very young age by my parents and grandparents. But my personal opinion about this is that football's approach/attitude or whatever you want to call it about Rembrance Sunday is getting a bit weird. It almost feels like the commercialisation of Christmas.
In direct answer to the question, yes, I think we should have left it, as I believe Stoke did. It's a quirk of this year's fixture list that we don't have a home game anywhere near November 11, there's no need to force it.
Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but up until maybe a decade ago that's exactly what would have happened. For the games on the weekend of the 11th, there would have been a silence, and possibly the Last Post. If you didn't have a home game that weekend, it would happen at your away game.
Now what is meant to be a very solemn day of rembrance, and raising some money for the best of causes, is turning into a three week festival of one upmanship. Clubs are both terrified of some sort of backlash if they're somehow not respectiful enough, while at the same time coming up with more and more weird and wonderful ideas to "pay their respects". At Liverpool's game yesterday, on October 30, there's a poppy statue as big as a house in the centre circle. At Tranmere, a bloke dressed as a poppy, in clown shoes, led out to the centre circle by the hand because he can't see. At leicester, a guy in a mime outfit with a giant poppy for a head posing for pics outside the ground. At Rangers, firing a fcking cannon inside the ground. James McClean (who, don't get me wrong, strikes me as a bit of a cnt) gets "WHERE'S YOUR POPPY" abuse in March.
I find it all a bit weird, and mawkish. It's meant to be a solemn day of remembrance, respect, and raising money for ex-servicemen. It's also meant to be about "never again", which I also remember being a big part of the messaging in times gone by that is rather lost now when some people could do with hearing it. Instead it's people and clubs falling over themselves to be the most respectful, wear the biggest poppy, do the grandest pre-match ceremony.
Like I say, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, and I don't want to have a row about this subject more than just about any other. And the way QPR conducted it, as always, with Warren absolutely brilliant, and the names, and the impeccable silence, was perfect in execution and tone, as it always is. But, like I say, in general, I find the direction of this whole thing in football a little weird and at times quite distasteful.
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I'm also a bit baffled by the renewed prominence for Remembrance, but I was a bit overwhelmed by just how many players from both sides had been killed in wars. An unusually powerful way of making the point, I thought. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 17:53 - Oct 31 with 1660 views | colinallcars |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 13:06 - Oct 31 by stevec |
Agree with all you say but ultimately it will be about audience share and if QPR/Forest attracts a bigger one than Preston/Luton then our games will be on far more often.
There’s also the kickback, if audiences lower on Championship with unfashionable choices who’s to say they won’t reduce the payouts we get each season?
It’s an absolute pain in the arse, I can’t stand Friday night games, but until clubs come up with a novel way to cover the 106/100% wages to income ratio then I guess we’re stuck with it. |
Sorry Steve, I down arrowed you instead of up ! Fat fingered me. |  | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 17:54 - Oct 31 with 1658 views | daveB |
In the lower loft i couldn't hear a word they were saying so couldn't work out at the end of the names being read out if that was supposed to be a minutes silence or not.
It's been that way for a while clubs trying to outdo each other with remembrance day, was the same with the NHS stuff when they came back from lockdown each club doing something different to show they care. |  | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 18:53 - Oct 31 with 1552 views | colinallcars |
Another point about these Sky games that is seldom raised, is playing in isolation. As the season nears its conclusion, one's team may be in the promotion or relegation areas and part of the interest is in hearing how the other teams are doing whilst our match is in progress. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 10:04 - Nov 1 with 945 views | francisbowles |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 16:12 - Oct 31 by terryb |
Actually, it isn't our nearest home game to November 11th. That would be at home to Luton on the 19th.
Why can't it be one week later, rather than two weeks earlier? AND, it's meant to be a minutes silence, not a minutes applause!
Was the playing of The Last Post delayed for Sky, as that it seemed like to me? |
I think they said on the PA, 'a minute's silence on the referee's whistle' or some such. With the poor PA and other noise of the crowd still arriving etc it was lost and the audience burst into spontaneous applause and were joined by players and officials.
I agree a week after would be more respectful than two weeks before, due to being closer to the actual day. | | | |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 11:50 - Nov 1 with 873 views | slmrstid |
| Just that sort of a week - Report on 14:58 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Ok, I'll try and tread very carefully here, because I really don't want to cause any offence, and nor do I want it to turn into a classic big message board row. I donate, I wear a poppy, I was taught about its importance from a very young age by my parents and grandparents. But my personal opinion about this is that football's approach/attitude or whatever you want to call it about Rembrance Sunday is getting a bit weird. It almost feels like the commercialisation of Christmas.
In direct answer to the question, yes, I think we should have left it, as I believe Stoke did. It's a quirk of this year's fixture list that we don't have a home game anywhere near November 11, there's no need to force it.
Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but up until maybe a decade ago that's exactly what would have happened. For the games on the weekend of the 11th, there would have been a silence, and possibly the Last Post. If you didn't have a home game that weekend, it would happen at your away game.
Now what is meant to be a very solemn day of rembrance, and raising some money for the best of causes, is turning into a three week festival of one upmanship. Clubs are both terrified of some sort of backlash if they're somehow not respectiful enough, while at the same time coming up with more and more weird and wonderful ideas to "pay their respects". At Liverpool's game yesterday, on October 30, there's a poppy statue as big as a house in the centre circle. At Tranmere, a bloke dressed as a poppy, in clown shoes, led out to the centre circle by the hand because he can't see. At leicester, a guy in a mime outfit with a giant poppy for a head posing for pics outside the ground. At Rangers, firing a fcking cannon inside the ground. James McClean (who, don't get me wrong, strikes me as a bit of a cnt) gets "WHERE'S YOUR POPPY" abuse in March.
I find it all a bit weird, and mawkish. It's meant to be a solemn day of remembrance, respect, and raising money for ex-servicemen. It's also meant to be about "never again", which I also remember being a big part of the messaging in times gone by that is rather lost now when some people could do with hearing it. Instead it's people and clubs falling over themselves to be the most respectful, wear the biggest poppy, do the grandest pre-match ceremony.
Like I say, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, and I don't want to have a row about this subject more than just about any other. And the way QPR conducted it, as always, with Warren absolutely brilliant, and the names, and the impeccable silence, was perfect in execution and tone, as it always is. But, like I say, in general, I find the direction of this whole thing in football a little weird and at times quite distasteful.
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I agree with all of this. It never used to be like this when I was growing up - it was simply if you were at home remembrance weekend you had a minute's silence - and if you weren't you weren't and maybe you would be next year.
Shoe-horning it all into the end of October just because its when you've got a home game to me with all this song and dance is just unnecessary to me and it makes me feel uncomfortable. |  | | |
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