| Warren Farm not happening 09:47 - May 6 with 49434 views | queensparker |
According to a story by Dave Mac.
Not really a surprise but gutting nevertheless |  | | |  |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:08 - May 6 with 2293 views | PunteR |
We must be the only club with multi billionare owners that can't seem to get anything built. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 21:44 - May 6 with 2172 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:08 - May 6 by PunteR |
We must be the only club with multi billionare owners that can't seem to get anything built. |
And the only fan base that accepts failure & lies time and time again |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 21:46 - May 6 with 2168 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:44 - May 6 by paulparker |
And the only fan base that accepts failure & lies time and time again |
What sort of protest or action are you proposing? |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:48 - May 6 with 2160 views | Lblock |
| Warren Farm not happening on 20:51 - May 6 by rsonist |
Sifting through this drivel for a point:
"Basic fundamentals for the initial feasibility stages on WF were ignored"
Proof please ta.
"the legal hurdles could've a) been avoided, b) been planned for and c) defeated before they took off with proactive action;"
How so exactly, ta again.
"It was obvious to me years back this was set up to fail"
Uh huh sure seems legit. [Post edited 6 May 2020 20:52]
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Are you and Baz the same person?
Just asking as you both love the edit function... mmmmmmmm
Proof on fundamentals? Well the thing has been cancelled due to lack of engagement and not ticking the boxes you’d tick on these sort of developments on this sort of land.
Environmental Impact studies are Janet and John
Avoidance of hurdles etc - see above
My view years ago well documented on the subject as I could see the car crash they were causing. Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with you.
I must also apologise that I’ve not included all manner of external links to the Guardian, flow charts and Venn diagrams etc which I know are soft porn to you.
Let’s see how “Plan B” pans out..... at the moment I’d say it’s B for bullshit |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 21:49 - May 6 with 2156 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:46 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
What sort of protest or action are you proposing? |
To late the protests should have happened a long time a go , Richard Thompson did far less worse than this mob yet got pelters of abuse
Maybe 70% of this fan base likes it’s tummy tickled & fed bullsh1t by uncle Tony and his chums | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:08 - May 6 with 2086 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:48 - May 6 by Lblock |
Are you and Baz the same person?
Just asking as you both love the edit function... mmmmmmmm
Proof on fundamentals? Well the thing has been cancelled due to lack of engagement and not ticking the boxes you’d tick on these sort of developments on this sort of land.
Environmental Impact studies are Janet and John
Avoidance of hurdles etc - see above
My view years ago well documented on the subject as I could see the car crash they were causing. Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with you.
I must also apologise that I’ve not included all manner of external links to the Guardian, flow charts and Venn diagrams etc which I know are soft porn to you.
Let’s see how “Plan B” pans out..... at the moment I’d say it’s B for bullshit |
You’ve said you were done with me for the third time but you’ve come back again. I thought that arrangement was working quite well for both of us but you’ve slung in two unprovoked digs in this thread for some reason, so I’m beginning to suspect you are not being genuine.
Maybe if you ask Clive nicely he’ll check IP addresses for you. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:10 - May 6 with 2069 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:08 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You’ve said you were done with me for the third time but you’ve come back again. I thought that arrangement was working quite well for both of us but you’ve slung in two unprovoked digs in this thread for some reason, so I’m beginning to suspect you are not being genuine.
Maybe if you ask Clive nicely he’ll check IP addresses for you. |
I seem to recall you hardly being a fan of Tony Fernades not so long ago , what’s changed for you | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:11 - May 6 with 2064 views | Gloucs_R |
Come on lads..... Leave it there please. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:15 - May 6 with 2047 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:49 - May 6 by paulparker |
To late the protests should have happened a long time a go , Richard Thompson did far less worse than this mob yet got pelters of abuse
Maybe 70% of this fan base likes it’s tummy tickled & fed bullsh1t by uncle Tony and his chums |
If there is nothing we can do even if we wanted to there is little reason to let it wind you up.
For what it’s worth I agree with you about the owner’s record mostly, but let’s wait and see on this one. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:16 - May 6 with 2042 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:10 - May 6 by paulparker |
I seem to recall you hardly being a fan of Tony Fernades not so long ago , what’s changed for you |
Sorry, I didn’t see this until after my last post. I’m not a fan of TF at all. The only way to improve things for me would be to have a fan on the board which I think is realistic and achievable but it’s always met with a shrug. [Post edited 6 May 2020 22:19]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:20 - May 6 with 2021 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:15 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If there is nothing we can do even if we wanted to there is little reason to let it wind you up.
For what it’s worth I agree with you about the owner’s record mostly, but let’s wait and see on this one. |
It’s a long line of fantasy lies that grinds my gears , I think we are the only fan base that lets this happen, we are like a downtrodden wife whose husband knocks her around and cheats hoping that one day he will see the light and be true
We can wait and see but they have provided no evidence that they will come through with anything
Only let down & failure is the track record for them | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:21 - May 6 with 2017 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:16 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Sorry, I didn’t see this until after my last post. I’m not a fan of TF at all. The only way to improve things for me would be to have a fan on the board which I think is realistic and achievable but it’s always met with a shrug. [Post edited 6 May 2020 22:19]
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Agreed, several fans on the board would do me | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:28 - May 6 with 1992 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:21 - May 6 by paulparker |
Agreed, several fans on the board would do me |
Best route for that would be through the LSA or another Organised fan group in my opinion.
I’ve applied to be on the Fan’s Forum to broach the subject but I’ve been rejected every time.
Thought about spending a bit of time and energy founding my own single issue group, but I think I’ve burned a lot of support on here which might be a hinderence as any access to fans would have to be done through social media and the message boards as well as match days. [Post edited 6 May 2020 22:30]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:30 - May 6 with 1979 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:16 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Sorry, I didn’t see this until after my last post. I’m not a fan of TF at all. The only way to improve things for me would be to have a fan on the board which I think is realistic and achievable but it’s always met with a shrug. [Post edited 6 May 2020 22:19]
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know why?
because fans are idiots.
Look at this thread for example. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:33 - May 6 with 1969 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warren Farm not happening on 17:22 - May 6 by paulparker |
What are you my therapist |
to be honest mate, you use this board as one long therapy session most of the time. | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 22:48 - May 6 with 1915 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:30 - May 6 by Antti_Heinola |
know why?
because fans are idiots.
Look at this thread for example. |
I’d say uninformed rather than idiotic.
I know I’ve bored everyone silly with this, but if fans had a true and meaningful stake in the club rather than just handing over their season ticket money or £30 a game I’m sure they would take bad news better when they know they they are part of the process.
The community work and Fan’s Forum help, but it’s not enough. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:59 - May 6 with 1878 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 15:31 - May 6 by rsonist |
The "sensible poster logical reasoning" that because things have gone wrong in the past we should nay have a duty to assume that a) Hoos is in fact lying b) the board have finally pounced on the opportunity to walk away from an open goal case, as they had intended all along having successfully spent eight years of time and money constructing this fiendishly elaborate ruse merely to string us along.
Imbecile conspiracy crackpot horsesh1te. [Post edited 6 May 2020 15:31]
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The facts are there for all to see yet delusional twonks like you simply refuse to acknowledge them.
Look at your statement from another angle. Who in their right minds wouldn't start work immediately on a plot that they'd fought over for 7 years and finally had permission to build on? Procrastination is the thief of time. QPR secured the green light in November 2018 yet allowed the site to develop into a nature reserve thereby enabling Hanwell Nature to secure a fresh judicial review last month.
As for the past, the current owners have presided over one shambles after another. Old Oak Common, Car Giant, the Linford Christie stadium, and Warren Farm. They also wasted the thick end of half a billion chasing a Premier League pipe dream and left the club with nothing to show for it but an FFP fine. To ignore this terrible track record in favour of Lee's latest PR stunt is frankly idiotic and naïve on your part. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:59 - May 6 with 1874 views | Nov77 |
Chris Wright is a fan  |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 23:01 - May 6 with 1867 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:59 - May 6 by Nov77 |
Chris Wright is a fan |
We wouldn’t have to elect him though! | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:07 - May 6 with 1855 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 16:33 - May 6 by Northernr |
Wait and see.
Let's say, hypothetically, this alternative site is a purchase rather than a rent, and a freehold rather than a leasehold, and is already a sports ground negating the planning permission problems, and already has flat pitches negating all the levelling out and landfill works that WF required, and the reason they can't quite announce it yet is because it's difficult to get everybody in a room to finalise it all atm but as soon as lockdown is lifted... then we've had a right touch.
If it is more bluster, more bullsht, more jam tomorrow, more kicking a can down the road, and all of this... then yeh, go for the jugular. All that time, all those promises, all that money spent on lawyers... We'll know soon enough, because I think the lease is up on harlington shortly, so if that's renewed or we leave there for another rental job then go nuts. But we don't know that yet.
And it is of course a concern that deals agreed prior to the world falling apart may not be so attractive and agreeable afterwards. But we don't know that yet either.
So, like I say... powder dry.
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It's been bone dry for 8-and-a-half years. Time to deliver. [Post edited 6 May 2020 23:18]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 23:16 - May 6 with 1838 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 20:00 - May 6 by Dixie_CT |
People read what that want to read. Facts: the new site has been mentioned on this thread, it’s a genuine thing and it’s a better option than WF.
More interested in the debate rather than the subject! |
Is it in fact genuine? Hoos has made many statements in the past which turned out to be false dawns. And even if it is genuine, it's impossible to gauge whether it's a better option than WF without details.
Note how Lee has already resorted to the NDA card to avoid questioning. He used a similar tactic with Warren Farm claiming that legal opposition to the project was preventing him from furnishing fans with details. If there is an NDA in place then why even mention it now? | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:17 - May 6 with 1834 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:30 - May 6 by Antti_Heinola |
know why?
because fans are idiots.
Look at this thread for example. |
Or, better still, your post for example. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:21 - May 6 with 1828 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 17:55 - May 6 by rsonist |
Okay but this is a false binary though. God knows the board have ballsed up plenty in their time but if a construction project is held up for a decade by litigation to the point of abandonment it still will not come under "more bluster, more bullsht, more jam tomorrow, more kicking a can down the road, and all of this... then yeh, go for the jugular. All that time, all those promises, all that money spent on lawyers" whether we end up finding a better option or not.
And if anyone believes otherwise then please let's hear why, without the sweeping digressive whinges, without the baseless speculation, without the "hurr durr look mum I called him Bungle again".
Nothing wrong with frustration, certainly nothing wrong with holding the owners accountable, but let's fkn have it right here, for our own sakes. |
All legal avenues were exhausted in November 2018. QPR's failure to strike while the iron was hot ultimately killed the project. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:30 - May 6 with 1814 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm not happening on 20:39 - May 6 by R_from_afar |
I'm not happy about yet another delay affecting the training ground and let's be honest, we have made no actual progress with our infrastructure projects, but these things take ages and some aspects are simply outside the club's control. Man I hope Hoos' plan B turns out to be real and the club actually delivers something.
That said, your statement "Having won the Supreme Court appeal in 2018, WF was there for the taking but the club chose not to act" is unfair and inaccurate. The judicial review was a huge obstacle flung in our way and meant WF was anything but "there for the taking" and if the club's statement is backed up by action - if - then they most certainly are choosing to act.
If Hoos' plan B truly is a better option then it is far more prudent to give up on WF, rather than to just myopically carry on with it for the sake of delivering the existing plan.
Time will tell. |
It's entirely accurate and fair.
In November 2018 the Supreme Court appeal was rejected meaning that all legal avenues had been exhausted. Lee Hoos himself announced that construction would begin. The judicial review you speak of was only granted in April 2020 because QPR's failure to act in over 1 year allowed Warren Farm to transform itself into a nature reserve.
Refer here for timelines:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
Hoos better have a plan B up his sleeve. If that doesn't come off, he should walk. [Post edited 6 May 2020 23:32]
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