| Warren Farm not happening 09:47 - May 6 with 49435 views | queensparker |
According to a story by Dave Mac.
Not really a surprise but gutting nevertheless |  | | |  |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:01 - May 7 with 2640 views | TGRRRSSS |
This might be a good thing, or it might not, but buying freehold is normally better than a lease.
Also wondering if the games changed in the last few weeks regards more land being available and cheaper perhaps?
Tough times ahead for many I think, so this could be a chance for QPR - we'll see I guess. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:10 - May 7 with 2606 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:01 - May 7 by francisbowles |
If we did get a fan on the board, it would have to be some idiot who filled the post.
Who else would want to do it knowing the abuse he/she would get and not even getting paid for it? |
If we got a fan on the board you just know it would end up being Bazzaintheloft.
God help us. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:16 - May 7 with 2561 views | stevec |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:10 - May 7 by Ned_Kennedys |
If we got a fan on the board you just know it would end up being Bazzaintheloft.
God help us. |
He’d have us on strike every week, Union membership or you can’t come in and no night games to combat (flood)light pollution.
Only joking Baz. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:32 - May 7 with 2508 views | RangersDave |
| Warren Farm not happening on 05:50 - May 7 by Match82 |
Not impressed with this news or the owners tenure in general but we are in a far better position than a lot of other clubs. Bury, Blackpool, Charlton, MK Dons (as in, moved the entire football club!) off the top of my head.
Is being "not the worst" ok? No far from it. But it's not just us. Unfortunately over the last ten years or so football has attracted a huge amounts of asshles as owners. |
Hated the old Blackpool owners with a passion, but......... At least they got 2 new stands built, with the 1 at the hotel end blending in perfectly with the already built 2 sides (which were, i think, also built under their tenure).
Money bags Rangers have built? ummmmmmmm
Although we have done fantastically as a club supporting and helping the community, we havnt done much else certainly i infrastructure wise.
We have been promised a new training ground, and ruined it all by a 'let it be' attitude when we could have moved in by the end of this year.
Promised a fantastic new stadium with great transport links and services on land we didnt own, and couldnt get
Looked at LCS for a new stadium, and pretty much all over any green space in London to get a space for a new training ground.
Now we are told we might buy/lease a bit of grass someplace and build there, and that they cannot talk about where, ok, understand confidentiality agreements, but in the end the news gets out.
So this mythical 'new' site might just turn out to be superb, but conversely it might just turn out to be more B.S. from what is increasingly looking like a 'spin doctor' who's quite frankly not very good at 'spinning'.
How long certain factions of the fanbase keep taking this all as gospel, and not revolt is open to question as bad memories are only remembered as long as the next success.
Meanwhile SWF have won, we have spent (actually wasted) shed loads of money on OOC, SWF, and possibly other sites too.
We pontificate and prevaricate, while the real money (developers) get in, and do it, losing us options almost every day. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 10:59 - May 7 with 2416 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:01 - May 7 by francisbowles |
If we did get a fan on the board, it would have to be some idiot who filled the post.
Who else would want to do it knowing the abuse he/she would get and not even getting paid for it? |
A bit like posting on LfW. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 11:34 - May 7 with 2333 views | TheChef |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:48 - May 6 by PunteR |
Not having Hoos walk. He's done great. imo. Obviously has his hands tied with the owners though. |
Absolutely.
And you know that in the event of TF et al being forced out / selling up (cos let's face it, football clubs are a financial black hole - who needs them really at this point in time?), you just know that us being QPR we will end up with the worst kind of asset strippers as owners.
So for me, better the devil you know. And given the current personnel making the decisions, I don't think it ain't that bad at all. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 11:52 - May 7 with 2285 views | enfieldargh |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:32 - May 7 by RangersDave |
Hated the old Blackpool owners with a passion, but......... At least they got 2 new stands built, with the 1 at the hotel end blending in perfectly with the already built 2 sides (which were, i think, also built under their tenure).
Money bags Rangers have built? ummmmmmmm
Although we have done fantastically as a club supporting and helping the community, we havnt done much else certainly i infrastructure wise.
We have been promised a new training ground, and ruined it all by a 'let it be' attitude when we could have moved in by the end of this year.
Promised a fantastic new stadium with great transport links and services on land we didnt own, and couldnt get
Looked at LCS for a new stadium, and pretty much all over any green space in London to get a space for a new training ground.
Now we are told we might buy/lease a bit of grass someplace and build there, and that they cannot talk about where, ok, understand confidentiality agreements, but in the end the news gets out.
So this mythical 'new' site might just turn out to be superb, but conversely it might just turn out to be more B.S. from what is increasingly looking like a 'spin doctor' who's quite frankly not very good at 'spinning'.
How long certain factions of the fanbase keep taking this all as gospel, and not revolt is open to question as bad memories are only remembered as long as the next success.
Meanwhile SWF have won, we have spent (actually wasted) shed loads of money on OOC, SWF, and possibly other sites too.
We pontificate and prevaricate, while the real money (developers) get in, and do it, losing us options almost every day. |
I heard from Blackpool fans they will tell you that those new stands are already falling into decay as their wonderful owners cut corners on building specs |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 11:54 - May 7 with 2283 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warren Farm not happening on 04:23 - May 7 by stainrods_elbow |
Those fans who cant't stop love-bombing Hoos irrespective of his performance really boil my piss! What have the last 8 years been about then, when he's been constantly telling us all the ways it's happening and issuing statements to that effect? It's a joke!
With the club's management team, it's a case now, for me, of feeling like going into hibernation and waking up when someone tells the truth/makes sense.
We all deserve so much better than this! |
Fine to have your opinion. But mine is the fact we have stayed afloat and competitive in this league while slashing the wage budget to acceptable levels and promoting from within is little short of miraculous. I don't really think you can have any clue as to the mountain we've been climbing if you don't get this. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 11:57 - May 7 with 2276 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:17 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Or, better still, your post for example. |
Indeed - I'm the sanest, smartest, most reasonable person* on this entire forum, and even I'm an idiot and would have no business on the board of our football club. Case proved! ;)
*for the particular idiots out there - you know who you are - this is a joke. | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 12:59 - May 7 with 2140 views | RBlock |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:21 - May 6 by paulparker |
Agreed, several fans on the board would do me |
Which of the fans on the board do you think would want to do you? Have you been chatting on tinder beforehand, or are you just confident in your looks? Are you gonna take a break in between each fan doing you, or had you planned on taking them one after the other? So many questions. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:16 - May 7 with 2099 views | BostonR |
One important point to consider before the firing squad appears for the Board.
I have no doubt the club have incurred professional fees on WF and that is now dead money. That is not an uncommon occurrence in these types of land/real estate deals - it's part of the risk in attempting to do the deal and it's business - end of. As they say, the lawyers always win.
Having said that, if the deal now being pursued is too good to miss, then in the long-term that is good business for the club and the Board may avoid some huge costs already budgeted for in their capex- porfolio that was set aside for WF.
Let's wait and see. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:28 - May 7 with 2049 views | slmrstid |
Having fans on the board would be one of the most pointless ideas ever.
It would end up as one of the following:-
- A sycophant of existing board members (just imagine in the Paladini days if QBlockPete ended up being the fans rep on the board, or the other one, Jones, I've seen him popping up on the QPR Facebook page recently claiming to have been in direct contact between Tony Fernandes and Ealing Council over Warren Farm...yeah right...). They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of who they are and the reason they are on the board.
- A well meaning but completely unqualified person - my fictional mate Dave is a really nice guy, completely nuts about QPR and passionate about the well being for the club, but does not have the slightest clue how a football club needs to be run or the business model behind it, and spends most of his time in meetings in completely over his head. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being completely unqualified to be involved.
- A well qualified individual who understands the mechanics required and what is involved in a football club, and would therefore do all the opposite to the knee jerky stuff fans want them to do. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being a "yes man" or "he's just going along with the owners..."
There's a common theme there - whoever it is they'd get abused. 100% guaranteed.
On top of that, you'd never get fans agreeing on who the representative should be. Do we then end up with an election of fans being voted on? Christ, how much of a mess and divisive issue would that end up being?
Absolute non-starter, and for all the love-in of the 51% model in Germany, I'd be amazed if there isn't shed-loads of infighting amongst all the different fan groups over there (though accept that is a guess of mine and not verified knowledge). |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:38 - May 7 with 2008 views | Northernr |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:28 - May 7 by slmrstid |
Having fans on the board would be one of the most pointless ideas ever.
It would end up as one of the following:-
- A sycophant of existing board members (just imagine in the Paladini days if QBlockPete ended up being the fans rep on the board, or the other one, Jones, I've seen him popping up on the QPR Facebook page recently claiming to have been in direct contact between Tony Fernandes and Ealing Council over Warren Farm...yeah right...). They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of who they are and the reason they are on the board.
- A well meaning but completely unqualified person - my fictional mate Dave is a really nice guy, completely nuts about QPR and passionate about the well being for the club, but does not have the slightest clue how a football club needs to be run or the business model behind it, and spends most of his time in meetings in completely over his head. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being completely unqualified to be involved.
- A well qualified individual who understands the mechanics required and what is involved in a football club, and would therefore do all the opposite to the knee jerky stuff fans want them to do. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being a "yes man" or "he's just going along with the owners..."
There's a common theme there - whoever it is they'd get abused. 100% guaranteed.
On top of that, you'd never get fans agreeing on who the representative should be. Do we then end up with an election of fans being voted on? Christ, how much of a mess and divisive issue would that end up being?
Absolute non-starter, and for all the love-in of the 51% model in Germany, I'd be amazed if there isn't shed-loads of infighting amongst all the different fan groups over there (though accept that is a guess of mine and not verified knowledge). |
Great post. Exactly right. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:40 - May 7 with 1999 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:28 - May 7 by slmrstid |
Having fans on the board would be one of the most pointless ideas ever.
It would end up as one of the following:-
- A sycophant of existing board members (just imagine in the Paladini days if QBlockPete ended up being the fans rep on the board, or the other one, Jones, I've seen him popping up on the QPR Facebook page recently claiming to have been in direct contact between Tony Fernandes and Ealing Council over Warren Farm...yeah right...). They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of who they are and the reason they are on the board.
- A well meaning but completely unqualified person - my fictional mate Dave is a really nice guy, completely nuts about QPR and passionate about the well being for the club, but does not have the slightest clue how a football club needs to be run or the business model behind it, and spends most of his time in meetings in completely over his head. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being completely unqualified to be involved.
- A well qualified individual who understands the mechanics required and what is involved in a football club, and would therefore do all the opposite to the knee jerky stuff fans want them to do. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being a "yes man" or "he's just going along with the owners..."
There's a common theme there - whoever it is they'd get abused. 100% guaranteed.
On top of that, you'd never get fans agreeing on who the representative should be. Do we then end up with an election of fans being voted on? Christ, how much of a mess and divisive issue would that end up being?
Absolute non-starter, and for all the love-in of the 51% model in Germany, I'd be amazed if there isn't shed-loads of infighting amongst all the different fan groups over there (though accept that is a guess of mine and not verified knowledge). |
Imagine what Barcelona and Real Madrid would have won if they weren’t held back by Supporter integration.
The alternative is we all just whine and bitch and call each cnts on Social Media all day and make fck all difference to the issue we want changed.
Your post is also a good argument against Parliament and democracy. Maybe we should fck that off too.
Depressing.
[Post edited 7 May 2020 13:44]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 13:48 - May 7 with 1959 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 12:59 - May 7 by RBlock |
Which of the fans on the board do you think would want to do you? Have you been chatting on tinder beforehand, or are you just confident in your looks? Are you gonna take a break in between each fan doing you, or had you planned on taking them one after the other? So many questions. |
Ahh LFW very own frankie Boyle , comedy genius |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 13:57 - May 7 with 1913 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I'd be completely in favour of clubs being owned by the fans, but not so sure about having one solitary fan on the board.
I think it would be easy to decide who that supporter is - members vote in elections.
I think that, yes, there would be abuse from some fans as there has been in the past when supporters worked for the club - but if someone wants to run for the position, that's their decision.
My worry is neither of the above - it's that the ownership on the board would make all decisions behind the back of the supporter on the board and that board votes would be a panto and a fait accompli.
Supporters are not stupid and supporters are not powereless - supporters have fought off FPR, Winkleman, Thompson and administration by being united, intelligent and articulate. But one supporter alone would be powerless. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 13:59 - May 7 with 1900 views | RangersDave |
Bolton are an example of this..... 3 supporters i think they have on the board now, but no one has a real say. The owners will always have that! | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 14:01 - May 7 with 1889 views | Lblock |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:28 - May 7 by slmrstid |
Having fans on the board would be one of the most pointless ideas ever.
It would end up as one of the following:-
- A sycophant of existing board members (just imagine in the Paladini days if QBlockPete ended up being the fans rep on the board, or the other one, Jones, I've seen him popping up on the QPR Facebook page recently claiming to have been in direct contact between Tony Fernandes and Ealing Council over Warren Farm...yeah right...). They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of who they are and the reason they are on the board.
- A well meaning but completely unqualified person - my fictional mate Dave is a really nice guy, completely nuts about QPR and passionate about the well being for the club, but does not have the slightest clue how a football club needs to be run or the business model behind it, and spends most of his time in meetings in completely over his head. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being completely unqualified to be involved.
- A well qualified individual who understands the mechanics required and what is involved in a football club, and would therefore do all the opposite to the knee jerky stuff fans want them to do. They'd end up being abused by fans at the ground and over the internet because of being a "yes man" or "he's just going along with the owners..."
There's a common theme there - whoever it is they'd get abused. 100% guaranteed.
On top of that, you'd never get fans agreeing on who the representative should be. Do we then end up with an election of fans being voted on? Christ, how much of a mess and divisive issue would that end up being?
Absolute non-starter, and for all the love-in of the 51% model in Germany, I'd be amazed if there isn't shed-loads of infighting amongst all the different fan groups over there (though accept that is a guess of mine and not verified knowledge). |
Your mate Dave........ does he have the nickname "Bungle" amongst some of the thicker, boring, idiotic fans we have?
Asking for a friend. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 14:06 - May 7 with 1865 views | slmrstid |
| Warren Farm not happening on 13:40 - May 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Imagine what Barcelona and Real Madrid would have won if they weren’t held back by Supporter integration.
The alternative is we all just whine and bitch and call each cnts on Social Media all day and make fck all difference to the issue we want changed.
Your post is also a good argument against Parliament and democracy. Maybe we should fck that off too.
Depressing.
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Like it or not, a football club is a private entity, not a public body like a Government. Two completely unrelated things, and I'm very much on the left side of the spectrum! (Though nowhere near as far along as you I regret to say Baz...)
Real Madrid and Barcelona are completely irrelevant comparisons to QPR - they are absolutely poles apart.
In addition, neither of them are truly fan owned. Real Madrid get absolute tons of government aid, as do Barcelona from Catalonia, and given the way Barcelona have chased the dollar in recent times to keep up with their governmental rivals are hardly a fan owned socialist utopia. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 14:07 - May 7 with 1858 views | slmrstid |
| Warren Farm not happening on 14:01 - May 7 by Lblock |
Your mate Dave........ does he have the nickname "Bungle" amongst some of the thicker, boring, idiotic fans we have?
Asking for a friend. |
It was the first name that came to the top of my head....  I nearly put John but I have a John that sits next to me at QPR and he's a very nice chap. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 14:30 - May 7 with 1805 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Warren Farm not happening on 14:06 - May 7 by slmrstid |
Like it or not, a football club is a private entity, not a public body like a Government. Two completely unrelated things, and I'm very much on the left side of the spectrum! (Though nowhere near as far along as you I regret to say Baz...)
Real Madrid and Barcelona are completely irrelevant comparisons to QPR - they are absolutely poles apart.
In addition, neither of them are truly fan owned. Real Madrid get absolute tons of government aid, as do Barcelona from Catalonia, and given the way Barcelona have chased the dollar in recent times to keep up with their governmental rivals are hardly a fan owned socialist utopia. |
Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I’ve said at all. I have no idea why you’ve brought up my politics. I’m not suggesting a Kibbutz I’m suggesting something really mild that demonstrably works in football and the wider world and in this country and others. [Post edited 7 May 2020 14:34]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 14:39 - May 7 with 1773 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Warren Farm.... Animal Farm... |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 14:45 - May 7 with 1749 views | slmrstid |
| Warren Farm not happening on 14:30 - May 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I’ve said at all. I have no idea why you’ve brought up my politics. I’m not suggesting a Kibbutz I’m suggesting something really mild that demonstrably works in football and the wider world and in this country and others. [Post edited 7 May 2020 14:34]
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I was trying to demonstrate we have similar ideals in some respects so as not to sound argumentative... | | | |
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