| New suspect for madeleine mcann. 14:50 - Jun 4 with 6946 views | qpr_1968 |
can't get me head round this one, new suspect, german serving time in prison.
thought the case had been closed, obviously not.
anyone got any thoughts on this, lots of people seem to think the parents still had something to do with it.
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:11 - Jun 5 with 2135 views | Northernr |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:10 - Jun 5 by Phildo |
Hotels always had baby listening services and they were widely used. I am sure they have wished every day that one had stayed with the kids- what a living torture their lives must have been. People do drop their guard when on holiday.
I thought they got a lot of attention compared to other cases because of the circumstances, because it was sad, because they were doctors and sadly because the mum was attractive. |
Well they also employed PRs and what have you to deliberately keep it in the public eye and help the search, which obviously less well off people wouldn't have been able to do. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:14 - Jun 5 with 2100 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:10 - Jun 5 by Phildo |
Hotels always had baby listening services and they were widely used. I am sure they have wished every day that one had stayed with the kids- what a living torture their lives must have been. People do drop their guard when on holiday.
I thought they got a lot of attention compared to other cases because of the circumstances, because it was sad, because they were doctors and sadly because the mum was attractive. |
As someone else said, someone else from a lower "class" would have suffered far more abuse and likely chargers. [Post edited 5 Jun 2020 11:15]
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:21 - Jun 5 with 2099 views | MrSheen |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:14 - Jun 5 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
As someone else said, someone else from a lower "class" would have suffered far more abuse and likely chargers. [Post edited 5 Jun 2020 11:15]
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Well perhaps so, but how does that justify open season on these two? Save your grievance for someone who deserves it. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:25 - Jun 5 with 2066 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:21 - Jun 5 by MrSheen |
Well perhaps so, but how does that justify open season on these two? Save your grievance for someone who deserves it. |
Yes, so sad, never mind... | |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 12:53 - Jun 5 with 1960 views | Juzzie |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:03 - Jun 5 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Lots do make mistakes, I did, maybe not paying attention for a moment and bad things can happen.
But this was not for a moment. it was a willful act to leave them unattended. |
When my boy was about 2 1/2 we were walking down our street (very quiet on the whole) and I took my eye of him for a second, literally a second, and next thing I knew he's toddled into the road.
It freaked me out for weeks. As said, it's normally a quiet road but it just takes that one moment when a car just happens to be coming along and, well.....
No excuse at all for leaving babies and a toddler on their own in an apartment while you go elsewhere for dinner. The moment you become a parent the kids come first, always. Your life of din-din's, parties, the pub and so on has gone until such time they're old enough. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:11 - Jun 5 with 1922 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 09:23 - Jun 5 by MrSheen |
I confess! I once took a Mark Warner holiday. My twins were six months old at the time. They were in supervised play for spells in the day, as they would have been at a creche. At night, you put them to bed and waited for them to go to sleep. You then left your details with the block warden and slipped of to dinner. I think (long time now) you were given a pager). They patrolled the corridors and if they heard crying, they called the parents who returned to the child.
Admittedly, this was in a compound in the middle of nowhere in Sardinia. The Portuguese resort was in a town and more accessible to all-comers. I honestly don't know if I'd have been comfortable enough to leave them if that was the case where we were, before this happened.
Anyone can be wise after the event, and it seems the gleeful urge to find fault with others can rise to any occasion. Wearing tight jeans is an invitation to rape, leaving a window open is the green light to a burglar, parents having a drink...
My disgust with the treatment of the McCanns has been stimulated by what has happened to my friend's brother, who happened to be staying at the resort at the same time. His identity and statements to the police were published online. A few random facts about his life, some false assumptions and some wholly absurd and disgusting supposition led to him getting his own 32-page thread on David Icke's forum, where the conclusion was that he was Tony Blair's envoy to a Bilderberg Group symposium on the implantation of thought control microchips into children's brains. Madeleine died when her surgeon father botched the insertion of the chip in a demonstration. No wonder they look shifty. |
We did the same. As you say, ours was a 'compound' type place as opposed to a resort, and Mark Warner promoted these types of holidays for the childcare they offered. Staff would walk around in the evening listening for kids crying etc. and would inform parents. Children weren't actually allowed in the dining room in the evening. Came home one night and the kids had woken up and had no idea where we were. They were laying in bed cuddling each other. Felt absolutely awful. My wife and I often still talk about it and it's one of the big regrets we have. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:33 - Jun 5 with 1854 views | Northernr |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:11 - Jun 5 by hamptonhillhoop |
We did the same. As you say, ours was a 'compound' type place as opposed to a resort, and Mark Warner promoted these types of holidays for the childcare they offered. Staff would walk around in the evening listening for kids crying etc. and would inform parents. Children weren't actually allowed in the dining room in the evening. Came home one night and the kids had woken up and had no idea where we were. They were laying in bed cuddling each other. Felt absolutely awful. My wife and I often still talk about it and it's one of the big regrets we have. |
Yeh my mum says the same. Can't believe we did that etc etc. | | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 14:45 - Jun 5 with 1758 views | TheChef |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:11 - Jun 5 by Northernr |
Well they also employed PRs and what have you to deliberately keep it in the public eye and help the search, which obviously less well off people wouldn't have been able to do. |
Yeah Clarence Mitchell, they appointed him very quickly (because when your own child goes missing, of course it's one of the first things you do...) - he's an interesting character and all. |  |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:06 - Jun 5 with 1638 views | BklynRanger |
Terrible tragedy but my first and only thought is it's government propaganda to get us through the next couple of weeks of lockdown... |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:22 - Jun 5 with 1589 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:06 - Jun 5 by BklynRanger |
Terrible tragedy but my first and only thought is it's government propaganda to get us through the next couple of weeks of lockdown... |
According to Twitworld it's to deflect attention from George Floyd, Black livers matter, the riots. whites killing blacks, cops killing blacks, CV deaths in the US, UK, Brasil, Brexit negotiations, queues outside McD's and just about every other goings-on in the world.
You can't trust them German's don'tyaknow.
But nothing on a 2-year-old being shot in London. [Post edited 5 Jun 2020 18:23]
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:24 - Jun 5 with 1589 views | PunteR |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:06 - Jun 5 by BklynRanger |
Terrible tragedy but my first and only thought is it's government propaganda to get us through the next couple of weeks of lockdown... |
I thought this too. And the BLM.
Just going back to the careless parents thing. My mum and dad used to leave me in the car when they went to the pub. After about 4 or 5 pints my dad used to drive us home.
We're talking 70s early 80s though so I guess that's alright.?  |  |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:42 - Jun 5 with 1560 views | Ranger_Things |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:06 - Jun 5 by BklynRanger |
Terrible tragedy but my first and only thought is it's government propaganda to get us through the next couple of weeks of lockdown... |
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:47 - Jun 5 with 1552 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
My Dad was a panel beater in a garage opposite the Brondesbury Arms In Kilburn and his idea of babysitting was leaving me either on the bar in my carrier when I was a baby or with a load of random pissheads when I was a toddler for hours while he did some sort deal bringing or fetching dodgy goods from somewhere.
Used to make me laugh when he said ‘don’t talk to strangers’ because if anyone knows what that pub uses to be like before it was knocked down, there weren’t many stranger than the regulars in there.
On the Madeline McCann thing, who fcking knows but I refer to Ocams Razor and the adage that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I’m with MrSheen in that accusing parents of murdering their toddler without definite proof is definitely our of order. I’ll also point out that a lot of the conspiracy theorists (like Icke) have made lots of money out of these dreadful accusations and should be taken with a pinch of salt. I’ll watch those YouTube documentaries but to be honest, there is so much pressure on the Met and Portuguese police, I’m sure the parents would have been charged at the slightest of hints. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:07 - Jun 5 with 1505 views | distortR |
I think that's in really poor taste, tbh.
Whoever posted that could very well be accused of exploiting the poor girl, and using her image to get a 'knowing' chuckle.
Not for me. | | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:14 - Jun 5 with 1485 views | Ranger_Things |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:07 - Jun 5 by distortR |
I think that's in really poor taste, tbh.
Whoever posted that could very well be accused of exploiting the poor girl, and using her image to get a 'knowing' chuckle.
Not for me. |
Fair enough. I can sympathise.
However I think the media's use of Madeleine 's tragic story has been obscene and in many cases a cynical ploy to raise circulation. [Post edited 5 Jun 2020 20:17]
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:19 - Jun 5 with 1477 views | distortR |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:14 - Jun 5 by Ranger_Things |
Fair enough. I can sympathise.
However I think the media's use of Madeleine 's tragic story has been obscene and in many cases a cynical ploy to raise circulation. [Post edited 5 Jun 2020 20:17]
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i'm sure you're right.
Taking the family at face value (Which i think you have to, anything else is pure conjecture), it must be nigh impossible to use the press without being used by a press that all too often appears to have no moral standards.
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 22:20 - Jun 5 with 1333 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:24 - Jun 5 by PunteR |
I thought this too. And the BLM.
Just going back to the careless parents thing. My mum and dad used to leave me in the car when they went to the pub. After about 4 or 5 pints my dad used to drive us home.
We're talking 70s early 80s though so I guess that's alright.? |
My dad used to leave me on the step outside the springbok while he drank in the upstairs bar before games when I was about 8. My challenge was to wait for the bouncer to be off guard and run up the stairs | | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 22:46 - Jun 5 with 1287 views | Antti_Heinola |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 10:53 - Jun 5 by francisbowles |
So many parents who have never made a mistake, got a decision wrong or regretted something they have done. I am impressed.
I'm off to confession. |
It's a tough one.
I've got a kid, the idea I would leave the child alone, particularly on holiday, whle i went out (i mean, would you do that at home?) baffles me. It's illegal here to leave kids alone in the home here before the age of, what, 12, 14?
Having said that, as a kid, on our road trips to France my parents would leave me and my siblings in the hotel room on the way down, put us to sleep, then slip downstairs to eat. I wouldn't even do that now, but it seemed ok at the time. They were in the same building. In Scandinavia, people think nothing of parking their babies in prms outside a cafe and going in to eat/drink while they sleep outside on the basis of, 'well, who would steal a baby?!' Cultures are different.
Still, I've made loads of mistakes as a parent, all parents do, but leaving them alone is not a mistake, it's a conscious decision. I feel really sorry for thrm though - I cannot possibly imagine what they've been through - they will feel responsible, and that can only make them feel a million times worse. |  |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 07:02 - Jun 6 with 1158 views | FredManRave |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 22:46 - Jun 5 by Antti_Heinola |
It's a tough one.
I've got a kid, the idea I would leave the child alone, particularly on holiday, whle i went out (i mean, would you do that at home?) baffles me. It's illegal here to leave kids alone in the home here before the age of, what, 12, 14?
Having said that, as a kid, on our road trips to France my parents would leave me and my siblings in the hotel room on the way down, put us to sleep, then slip downstairs to eat. I wouldn't even do that now, but it seemed ok at the time. They were in the same building. In Scandinavia, people think nothing of parking their babies in prms outside a cafe and going in to eat/drink while they sleep outside on the basis of, 'well, who would steal a baby?!' Cultures are different.
Still, I've made loads of mistakes as a parent, all parents do, but leaving them alone is not a mistake, it's a conscious decision. I feel really sorry for thrm though - I cannot possibly imagine what they've been through - they will feel responsible, and that can only make them feel a million times worse. |
Agreed. They made a choice and without any doubt, it was the wrong one. Nobody is perfect and it's all too easy to criticise but despite the many mistakes I've made as a parent I honestly don't believe I would have left my 3 children alone whilst I went out for something too eat and drink, albeit nearby.
I shit myself when I can't see my kids for 5 seconds.... |  |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 08:36 - Jun 6 with 1111 views | nix |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:47 - Jun 5 by BazzaInTheLoft |
My Dad was a panel beater in a garage opposite the Brondesbury Arms In Kilburn and his idea of babysitting was leaving me either on the bar in my carrier when I was a baby or with a load of random pissheads when I was a toddler for hours while he did some sort deal bringing or fetching dodgy goods from somewhere.
Used to make me laugh when he said ‘don’t talk to strangers’ because if anyone knows what that pub uses to be like before it was knocked down, there weren’t many stranger than the regulars in there.
On the Madeline McCann thing, who fcking knows but I refer to Ocams Razor and the adage that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I’m with MrSheen in that accusing parents of murdering their toddler without definite proof is definitely our of order. I’ll also point out that a lot of the conspiracy theorists (like Icke) have made lots of money out of these dreadful accusations and should be taken with a pinch of salt. I’ll watch those YouTube documentaries but to be honest, there is so much pressure on the Met and Portuguese police, I’m sure the parents would have been charged at the slightest of hints. |
I agree with You Bazz.
I've been on similar holidays to these and they were set up like this with someone doing baby listening at regular intervals and a feeling that everyone was a holidaymaker you could trust. Yes it hindsight it seems appalling but they were only doing what 90% of the parents on site were doing.
They've already paid the ultimate price for it. They know more than anyone else on here that they made a catastrophic error. To pile on and add to their grief by blaming them on top of all the guilt they already feel seems cruel to me.
I've been in situation where my kids have gone missing for a second in a shop or something and it's the worst feeling in the world. I can only imagine the hell they've been through. It doesn't make any sense that anyone who had actually killed their child would spend all that money in an effort to keep it in the public eye. It would be like a Dominic Cummings setting up a report line for people who have broken lockdown, |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 12:36 - Jun 6 with 1002 views | johncharles |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 18:06 - Jun 5 by BklynRanger |
Terrible tragedy but my first and only thought is it's government propaganda to get us through the next couple of weeks of lockdown... |
Doesn’t seem to be very much actual evidence against this guy. All circumstantial. He has previous and was in the area at the time but that’s nowhere near enough to bring charges.
*** I hope something comes of this to give the McCanns and the other parents some peace. |  |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:32 - Jun 6 with 941 views | eastside_r |
The thing is, even if this German guy admits the killing and even leads the authorities to a body, the conspiracy theorists (including some on here) will still claim something untoward about the McCanns.
I like to think the best of people but I am not naïve enough to know that human beings are capable of despicable things. And there is not much more despicable than what some are accusing the McCanns of.
If they were involved in some kind of sinister plot (paedo or otherwise) or even some terrible accident covered up, I think they would have slipped up by now given the immense scrutiny over the years.
I personally find some of the conspiracy stuff sickening. It’s bad enough to have that poor little girl’s face splashed all over the media again and I do not even have kids.
It is sadly the case that whatever the outcome, this has ruined the lives of the McCanns forever and possibly those of Maddie’s surviving siblings.
Amongst the nonsense on this thread some wise contributions from the usual quarters. |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:38 - Jun 6 with 933 views | qpr_1968 |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 13:32 - Jun 6 by eastside_r |
The thing is, even if this German guy admits the killing and even leads the authorities to a body, the conspiracy theorists (including some on here) will still claim something untoward about the McCanns.
I like to think the best of people but I am not naïve enough to know that human beings are capable of despicable things. And there is not much more despicable than what some are accusing the McCanns of.
If they were involved in some kind of sinister plot (paedo or otherwise) or even some terrible accident covered up, I think they would have slipped up by now given the immense scrutiny over the years.
I personally find some of the conspiracy stuff sickening. It’s bad enough to have that poor little girl’s face splashed all over the media again and I do not even have kids.
It is sadly the case that whatever the outcome, this has ruined the lives of the McCanns forever and possibly those of Maddie’s surviving siblings.
Amongst the nonsense on this thread some wise contributions from the usual quarters. |
agree, especially your first paragraph, shit sticks, even when innocent. | |
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| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:23 - Jun 6 with 827 views | GloryHunter |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 22:20 - Jun 5 by hamptonhillhoop |
My dad used to leave me on the step outside the springbok while he drank in the upstairs bar before games when I was about 8. My challenge was to wait for the bouncer to be off guard and run up the stairs |
Friends of mine put the baby in his carrier on the roof of the car at IKEA while they loaded up. Then drove off home him with him still on the roof. Got about two miles before other people hooting and flashing made them realise.
David Cameron and his wife left their baby in the pub once, didn't they? |  | | |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 19:28 - Jun 6 with 817 views | joolsyp |
| New suspect for madeleine mcann. on 11:01 - Jun 5 by Northernr |
Yeh my parents used to do that with Paul and I when we were little, put us to bed then go downstairs for a meal and drinks.
I used to absolutely hate it. We'd been in a hotel when we were very little that caught fire in the middle of the night, woken up by blaring alarm, rushed out into the car park. Traumatised me as a little kid and whenever they'd leave us alone in the room I was absolutely beside myself, paranoid about every little noise or light. I was a pretty nervous kid anyway.
There was one incident when we were on holiday in Canada and I couldn't stand it any more, wandered out of the room and started asking people how to get to the restaurant and stuff like that, caused a bit of a scene and a panic.
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"There was one incident when we were on holiday in Canada and I couldn't stand it any more, wandered out of the room and started asking people how to get to the restaurant and stuff like that, caused a bit of a scene and a panic."
Living in Canada has that effect on me too ...  |  | | |
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