| Ryan Manning 23:53 - Aug 26 with 8112 views | davman |
Seen loads of chat around BOS and Eze, but what of Ryan? To date, no contract signed, but little concrete evidence of hard bids. Will we let him run down his contract, or will it be a case of renew g if there is no interest this window?
Not sure he'll get a move to the Prem, but can see "bigger" Champ clubs coming in for him...
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| Ryan Manning on 16:07 - Aug 27 with 2647 views | PinnerPaul |
" We only want players who want to play for QPR. If for example boys enter the final year of their contracts, and don't want to sign extensions, then fine, we don't pick you"
Interestingly said that was also the view of Hoos, Les and John Eustace. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning on 16:08 - Aug 27 with 2642 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ryan Manning on 16:07 - Aug 27 by Rangersw12 |
I was shocked at that but I think it was more to do with Leinster than Manning or BOS as he played both of them last week
be interesting how it pans out |
Yes agree - I guess 'in negotiation' isn't the same as a flat refusal to sign! | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 16:14 - Aug 27 with 2597 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Ryan Manning on 15:55 - Aug 27 by PinnerPaul |
Was that a sarcastic interesting or a genuinely interested interesting!?  |
Ha ha!
It was a genuinely interested interesting!! |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 23:44 - Aug 27 with 2435 views | Myke |
| Ryan Manning on 10:18 - Aug 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
"Manning is a fine player going forward, who also seems to have developed a happy eye for goals,, but as I have said elsewhere, he is NOT a defender. He completely lacks the two most important elements of defending; positional awareness and anticipation of danger. "
He also lacks a basic ingredient - hunger. A defender will strain every muscle and sinew to get back when the oppo breaks. Midfielders should too - ask Bayern. It's a given. Too many times Manning can be seen in the corner of the screen half-jogging back watching as the kitchen is ablaze. |
Funny, I had always attributed him being some distance from preventing a potential goal to the two elements I mentioned that are missing from his defensive game, I would never have considered him lazy or lacking motivation. I always thought it was like ' I completely didn't see that coming' rather than 'I can't be arsed getting back' But you are right. if you are caught out of position or unawares, you should at the very least be busting a gut to try and rectify the situation.
I think of that Coventry lad, ( actually think he might have been with Liverpool too) can't remember his name, lousy positional sense, but really quick. When he played CB for us alongside Paul McGrath, McGrath would guide him where he should be and the lad had both the desire and speed to make up the ground to where he actually should be | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 23:54 - Aug 27 with 2417 views | brendan |
| Ryan Manning on 23:44 - Aug 27 by Myke |
Funny, I had always attributed him being some distance from preventing a potential goal to the two elements I mentioned that are missing from his defensive game, I would never have considered him lazy or lacking motivation. I always thought it was like ' I completely didn't see that coming' rather than 'I can't be arsed getting back' But you are right. if you are caught out of position or unawares, you should at the very least be busting a gut to try and rectify the situation.
I think of that Coventry lad, ( actually think he might have been with Liverpool too) can't remember his name, lousy positional sense, but really quick. When he played CB for us alongside Paul McGrath, McGrath would guide him where he should be and the lad had both the desire and speed to make up the ground to where he actually should be |
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| Ryan Manning on 00:07 - Aug 28 with 2389 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Ryan Manning on 23:44 - Aug 27 by Myke |
Funny, I had always attributed him being some distance from preventing a potential goal to the two elements I mentioned that are missing from his defensive game, I would never have considered him lazy or lacking motivation. I always thought it was like ' I completely didn't see that coming' rather than 'I can't be arsed getting back' But you are right. if you are caught out of position or unawares, you should at the very least be busting a gut to try and rectify the situation.
I think of that Coventry lad, ( actually think he might have been with Liverpool too) can't remember his name, lousy positional sense, but really quick. When he played CB for us alongside Paul McGrath, McGrath would guide him where he should be and the lad had both the desire and speed to make up the ground to where he actually should be |
Phil Babb.
Great call. And a great alt-comparison. | |
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| Ryan Manning on 07:24 - Aug 28 with 2228 views | Gloucs_R |
If BOS goes, Thomas takes the AMR role.
It's Eze goes, Chair goes number 10 / AMC
That does leave us short on the left side of the 3, a role that Manning could do really well in. With Niko or Wallace behind him.
I'm not convinced about Shodipo and haven't seen enough of the youngsters yet but sense they're not quite ready to step up as a winger.
The attacking 3 are so important to us. MW knows this which is why he giving them the ultimatum. We need to get moving on new signings if they don't want to play [Post edited 28 Aug 2020 7:25]
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| Ryan Manning on 09:04 - Aug 28 with 2064 views | bosh67 |
I will inevitably be completely wrong but my gut feeling is that that Manning may sign a new contract and play here for at least another year before a big money move. I think BOS may still move on. |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 09:16 - Aug 28 with 2034 views | Myke |
| Ryan Manning on 23:54 - Aug 27 by brendan |
Phil Babb |
Phil Babb is right. It was swirling around in my head last night, but so was some red wine and it wouldn't come to me! Anyway my point being that after a season in the job Manning is no better at it than in September, as emphasised by WBA's second goal in the last game. Whether this is because he doesn't have a McGrath type figure to assist him on the pitch, or as Brian says, isn't motivated enough to get back, is immaterial really. The fact is he is not going to change. So play him as a attacking midfielder with a'proper' LB behind him, or allow him to move on. | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 11:34 - Aug 28 with 1977 views | francisbowles |
| Ryan Manning on 09:16 - Aug 28 by Myke |
Phil Babb is right. It was swirling around in my head last night, but so was some red wine and it wouldn't come to me! Anyway my point being that after a season in the job Manning is no better at it than in September, as emphasised by WBA's second goal in the last game. Whether this is because he doesn't have a McGrath type figure to assist him on the pitch, or as Brian says, isn't motivated enough to get back, is immaterial really. The fact is he is not going to change. So play him as a attacking midfielder with a'proper' LB behind him, or allow him to move on. |
Agree with all of that but even as a left sided midfielder he still needs to 'bust a gut' to get back and offer cover etc.
He needs a big improvement to this aspect of his game. | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 12:16 - Aug 28 with 1916 views | daveB |
for all the criticism of Manning I think we'd do well to get a better left back at the moment who provides so many goals to the team, he can be taught the defensive side of the game, considering that was his first season as a left back thought he did very well.
Clive Wilson was crap at defending at first as well |  | | |
| Ryan Manning on 12:22 - Aug 28 with 1883 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Ryan Manning on 12:16 - Aug 28 by daveB |
for all the criticism of Manning I think we'd do well to get a better left back at the moment who provides so many goals to the team, he can be taught the defensive side of the game, considering that was his first season as a left back thought he did very well.
Clive Wilson was crap at defending at first as well |
You are right of course, Dave.
I'm probably his harshest critic on here, but it's only on one specific. He'a an excellent footballer in so many ways. | |
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| Ryan Manning on 14:36 - Aug 28 with 1775 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ryan Manning on 12:22 - Aug 28 by BrianMcCarthy |
You are right of course, Dave.
I'm probably his harshest critic on here, but it's only on one specific. He'a an excellent footballer in so many ways. |
Hey I'm not having that.......... I'm his harshest critic! | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 15:18 - Aug 28 with 1726 views | LazyFan |
I am not sure Clive Wilson was bad at defending it just took him a few months to get positions correct. Same with the Bard.
Manning has had a full season and still does not get into the correct positions. As others have stated, he's not really a defender.
His stats look great though and that should tempt someone. If we get anything over £1m for him I will be happy as I assume we can get a proper LB for that money. Sure that LB may not score goals, but they will reduce them going in at the other end. And this is what we need right now. |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 16:44 - Aug 28 with 1603 views | brendan |
I remember listening to an interview on Irish radio after he had broken into the team. He described himself as a box to box midfielder who had filled in as a "10" and on the left wing for Galway United.
Maybe he can learn the left back / wingback position as players like Wilson, Patrice Evra, Gary Kelly have done in the past.
He's at a stage in his career where he should be nailing down a place and competing for a spot on the Irish squad. | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 17:59 - Aug 28 with 1513 views | daveB |
| Ryan Manning on 15:18 - Aug 28 by LazyFan |
I am not sure Clive Wilson was bad at defending it just took him a few months to get positions correct. Same with the Bard.
Manning has had a full season and still does not get into the correct positions. As others have stated, he's not really a defender.
His stats look great though and that should tempt someone. If we get anything over £1m for him I will be happy as I assume we can get a proper LB for that money. Sure that LB may not score goals, but they will reduce them going in at the other end. And this is what we need right now. |
what is a proper left back though? Bidwell was a proper left back but was never more than a 6/10. If we think we can get a player who is a good defender and very good going forward we'll need to spend a lot of money
Clive Wilson went onto be a top player for us so only really comparing them at the start but Wilson was converted from midfield as well and wasn't a great defender at first but grew into the role, Manning can do similar given time.
It might not matter in the end if he decides to go this summer but feels like we are trying to fix things that are one of our strengths. I think if Trent Alexander Arnold played for us we'd be complaining non stop about his defending as well | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 20:11 - Aug 28 with 1430 views | bosh67 |
I've always seen Manning as a forward running central midfielder. He has the passing brain. | |
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| Ryan Manning on 20:46 - Aug 28 with 1389 views | LazyFan |
| Ryan Manning on 17:59 - Aug 28 by daveB |
what is a proper left back though? Bidwell was a proper left back but was never more than a 6/10. If we think we can get a player who is a good defender and very good going forward we'll need to spend a lot of money
Clive Wilson went onto be a top player for us so only really comparing them at the start but Wilson was converted from midfield as well and wasn't a great defender at first but grew into the role, Manning can do similar given time.
It might not matter in the end if he decides to go this summer but feels like we are trying to fix things that are one of our strengths. I think if Trent Alexander Arnold played for us we'd be complaining non stop about his defending as well |
Bids played left mid for Bees no? Played a few at LB before we signed him and put him there all the time.
Wilson and the Bard were converted from midfield that is true. But they had one thing in common that Bids never had, pace. And lots of it.
This was our mistake with Wheeler. I bet the thinking was that we could convert Wheeler into a RB as we did with the Bard. Straight after signing Wheeler it probably became apparent no doubt that we could not.
Manning does not have the pace to make up the lost ground either. And neither the desire to do so all the time everytime. Wilson and the Bard always did. Bids just got done for pace a lot as BOS showed us once again.
Either they know their defending inside and out like Rangel or they need some hefty pace to make up for it with tricky wingers like BOS around. Despite being really talented, Manning has neither and thus is not a stable LB. | |
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| Ryan Manning on 20:48 - Aug 28 with 1379 views | Esox_Lucius |
No he isn't, he's a midfielder who is being shoehorned into a position he isn't suited to. It might be why he wants to leave, ever think of that? |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 21:19 - Aug 28 with 1316 views | aston_hoop |
His younger brother Ronan has scored one and set one up for Athlone Town tonight. I don't know where he plays or indeed what standard that is but SIGN HIM UP. Him and younger Eze to build QPR The next generation in a few years! |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 21:30 - Aug 28 with 1276 views | distortR |
| Ryan Manning on 15:45 - Aug 27 by PinnerPaul |
Sorry to keep quoting MW but he does give some good insights on latest interview.
He said any player NOT signing a new contract in last year of current one wouldn't be in the team! |
do you know what?
Good.
We won't be used, we can work together to achieve our own goals, as with Eze, but we won't be a showcase for selfish players. | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 22:23 - Aug 28 with 1204 views | Myke |
| Ryan Manning on 21:19 - Aug 28 by aston_hoop |
His younger brother Ronan has scored one and set one up for Athlone Town tonight. I don't know where he plays or indeed what standard that is but SIGN HIM UP. Him and younger Eze to build QPR The next generation in a few years! |
I'm afraid Athlone Town play at League 2/ National league standard Aston. But like you say, maybe one for the future | | | |
| Ryan Manning on 23:16 - Aug 28 with 1122 views | wombat |
| Ryan Manning on 22:23 - Aug 28 by Myke |
I'm afraid Athlone Town play at League 2/ National league standard Aston. But like you say, maybe one for the future |
Rumour going round he’s signed a new contract or is about to sign one in the next day or so , hopefully keep him and get somebody who if he stays at left back actually helps cover him when he does come forward that might help his game a little |  |
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| Ryan Manning on 23:53 - Aug 28 with 1054 views | karl |
| Ryan Manning on 23:16 - Aug 28 by wombat |
Rumour going round he’s signed a new contract or is about to sign one in the next day or so , hopefully keep him and get somebody who if he stays at left back actually helps cover him when he does come forward that might help his game a little |
When you've got a fullback who is a goal threat through actually scoring and assists who actually isn't the best defensively then you absolutely need a midfielder ahead of him who will bust a gut to cover for him and possibly sprint past him to do the defending.
Its not great to watch if you lose but 11 goals coming directly from the left back are very valuable, MW had James Tavernier at RB and Lee Wallace LB at Glasgow Rangers, Tavernier was a brutal defender but added so much as an attacking force, Wallace rampaged forward but did work hard getting back and defending his position. Ultimately the weakness for them in the big games was RB as they didn't have strength defensively, my impression was that LB for us was best when the wise head of Pugh was there to tighten things up?
Not sure how it weighed up with creativity going forward though.
In reply to Hooparoo I would say a left footed player who is very one footed isn't such a drawback so long as he's prepared to play exclusively on the left as there's not so many, that does however mean he has to work at all aspects of being a wide player, that very much involves a lot of shuttle work up and down the line which he doesn't seem so keen on!
Overall I think he's a definite asset to us and hopefully a mutually beneficial deal is set up |  | | |
| Ryan Manning on 09:56 - Aug 29 with 882 views | DejR_vu |
| Ryan Manning on 15:58 - Aug 27 by simmo |
Odd that he would take that stance, especially with his steadfast belief in the professionalism of players! Be a real test to sit BOS and Manning out for 6-12 months if we're struggling... |
Short term pain for long term gain. It sends a message that we’re a club that offers an opportunity to progress but one that won’t be used.
If we offer a player the best contract we can and that player thinks he can do better elsewhere, fair enough, take the other offer. But if there’s no better offer all that player is doing us using the club as a cash cow, because there is no way that player will be giving 100% and risking the next move.
I would 100% stick both BOS and Manning in the 23s until they sign new deals, move or until their current contracts expire. Some will no doubt call that harsh but better for the club long-term. | |
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