| I expected us to beat blackburn today. 19:51 - Nov 7 with 4525 views | qpr_1968 |
can anyone explain, who watched the match, why we lost....in a nutshell.
before i have to listen to warbs ramblings/excuses.
a bit confused really, after 2 wins.
blackburns injury list, down there with us before the game.
why are we so inconsistent.
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 09:27 - Nov 8 with 914 views | denhamhoop2 |
Thought Blackburn looked the best side we've played this season and they had way too much pace on the counter attack for us to cope with. Do think Warburton didn't help with the starting line up as QPR looked much better balanced when Willock came on to play on the left. Armstrong looked a class act and was largely the difference between the 2 sides together | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 09:31 - Nov 8 with 908 views | francisbowles |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 01:18 - Nov 8 by timcocking |
Willock looked quality, didn't he? Two better shots in ten minutes from him than the rest of the side in ten games. Let's have a look at him taking the free kicks asap.
Dickie was skinned like the proverbial kipper at one stage, blatant pull back and second yellow card missed by the ref. Should have been sent off half way through.
Good game i thought, could have gone either way. Clive nailed it, Armstrong made the difference.
If i was looking for problems, it'd be the fact Dykes has now gone four consecutive games without completing a single successful pass. I'm not putting it all on him, just pointing that out. |
Referee didn't miss it, he signalled advantage. When he allows the game to continue, he can't go back and issue a card for the offense, unless it's violent conduct.
We have to get smarter at the back. Dickie is so slow that he can't afford to let anyone get the wrong side of him. Probably why he is so 'handy'. We need to ensure that if we are playing a high line, he is not left exposed as he was yesterday. Maybe get Barbet to be providing a bit more cover for him. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 9:33]
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 09:52 - Nov 8 with 873 views | RangersDave |
goals mate.
Dont matter how well you play, the best team is always the one that scores more goals than you. |  |
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:15 - Nov 8 with 853 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
Football is far more random than most fans like to admit. We play Blackburn next week after a good rest and there's a 50/50 chance we would beat them? Or perhaps we suit them in terms of strengths (their pace?) and weaknesses and they will always have the edge?
Their record this season and last suggests they're just an average Championship team. When fans, including me, say of a team "they are the best team we have played all season" subsequent events usually prove them wrong.
Anyway we had a lengthy trip, 3 days gap following a tough away match which went down to the wire and Blackburn had 4 days rest following a home match. That alone could be enough to swing it one way or the other. Fans and pundits give too little consideration to the physical demands made of the players in the modern game. Managers and coaches always emphasise it's importance and nobody listens. The sports scientists tell us it makes a big difference. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:22 - Nov 8 with 841 views | francisbowles |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:15 - Nov 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Football is far more random than most fans like to admit. We play Blackburn next week after a good rest and there's a 50/50 chance we would beat them? Or perhaps we suit them in terms of strengths (their pace?) and weaknesses and they will always have the edge?
Their record this season and last suggests they're just an average Championship team. When fans, including me, say of a team "they are the best team we have played all season" subsequent events usually prove them wrong.
Anyway we had a lengthy trip, 3 days gap following a tough away match which went down to the wire and Blackburn had 4 days rest following a home match. That alone could be enough to swing it one way or the other. Fans and pundits give too little consideration to the physical demands made of the players in the modern game. Managers and coaches always emphasise it's importance and nobody listens. The sports scientists tell us it makes a big difference. |
Your absolutely correct and it has been mentioned a few times on this site by Clive, myself and one or two others.
However, I also agree that too many are sometimes quick to jump in with their disparaging, negative comments about the manager, DOF or their particular dislike of a certain player.
We are all, of course, entitled to our opinions but a bit more pause and thought, as you have done, wouldn't go amiss. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:30 - Nov 8 with 831 views | davman |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:15 - Nov 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Football is far more random than most fans like to admit. We play Blackburn next week after a good rest and there's a 50/50 chance we would beat them? Or perhaps we suit them in terms of strengths (their pace?) and weaknesses and they will always have the edge?
Their record this season and last suggests they're just an average Championship team. When fans, including me, say of a team "they are the best team we have played all season" subsequent events usually prove them wrong.
Anyway we had a lengthy trip, 3 days gap following a tough away match which went down to the wire and Blackburn had 4 days rest following a home match. That alone could be enough to swing it one way or the other. Fans and pundits give too little consideration to the physical demands made of the players in the modern game. Managers and coaches always emphasise it's importance and nobody listens. The sports scientists tell us it makes a big difference. |
Lots of truth here and in other posts.
Not sure Armstrong was the only reason. On the day, they kept the ball better than us and, aside from Dieng and perhaps Willock (what does he have to do to get a start?) they had the best 5 or 6 players out there.
Armstrong, Barnes, the two full backs, their 'keeper, Brereton and, as much as I loathe the beard fatty, Johnson too.
When they controlled the game, we couldn' t touch the ball; our periods were around pressure, not sustained possession.
The game appeared to pass Cameron by to me and I am not sure that was the case with any of their players...
On another day, we may play better than them, not yesterday though...
League is full of teams who are at the same level; you win some, you lose some. When you know you'll finish within 2 or 3 places from 16th, how can it be any other way? |  |
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:42 - Nov 8 with 818 views | enfieldargh |
it would also help if the players made less misplaced passes
Blackburn made hardly any we were the opposite for much of the first half.
Ewood Park always looks like a massive pitch to me, it probably isnt much wider than LR but certainly looks it |  |
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 11:06 - Nov 8 with 794 views | stevec |
Think the last time I expected us to beat another side was probably 2013.
In many ways that works, over excited when we do win, not overly upset when we lose. Of course, that mindset doesn’t just afflict the fans, it becomes part of a clubs overall culture.
It doesn’t matter how many times we’ve actually finished 16th, perhaps only to the pedants amongst us, but it does matter when that thinking becomes the norm. Listen to commentators, they don’t have to say 16th place QPR it just emits from their view of us.
When the psyche becomes all about finding the next profitable transfer, it’s a difficult balancing act trying to ensure you also improve as a team. I’m concerned that the Eze money ultimate aim is to find the next big money transfer rather than build an improving Championship team.
In reality I’m finding it hard to see what the end goal is. |  | | |
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 11:53 - Nov 8 with 765 views | golborne |
Lots of negativity around the performance. We started bright, but struggled after the first 15 and were blessed to go in level at half time. Warburton made two positive changes at halftime, which he needs to be commended for. Not sure I would have switched Albert that early, but he went for the pace of Kane on the right. Unfortunately, he seemed to tire pretty quickly. We started the half on the front foot and looked the most likely before the pathetic mistake for their goal. To get done by a quick, short corner is bad enough, for the ref to make them retake it and get done again is where it got pathetic. Post their goal we lifted ourselves and eventually got our bit of luck with a very dubious pen, but we’ve had them in spades against us over time, so I’ll take it and thank god there’s no VAR. Once we drew level there only looked like one winner, until in their first attack in 10 mins they caught us on the break and the best player on the pitch showed why he has a dozen already this season. I like him lots, proper pain in the arse. At 2-1 we had to chase, did and came close a couple of times, but that starts to leave gaps. There’s something a little disjointed upfront. Our strikers don’t gamble, especially Dykes. I don’t know whether it’s because we don’t get the ball in the box early enough, especially from Bright, but Albert is constantly slowing up waiting for the gamble, instead of him glancing and whipping it in. By the time Dykes makes the run it’s gone. Just one observation, but it’s early doors and they’re still getting used to each other. Overall, overrun for much of the first half. Positive subs to counter that and much better second ,and on another day would have got the 2nd and everybody would be feeling differently. Dickie got done a couple of times by the best striker in the division, but he’s not the first or last, and bar those moments he was pretty solid. Fine margins in the second half and it didn’t go our way. Football innit! Anybody on here being negative negative is that annoying C U next Tuesday who sits a couple of rows back and makes you question almost every game where you’ll sit next year. The players are tiring, but still keep going. Players like Chair need a break from fans as well as games. Hes the only player to have started every game this season and whilst not getting the results his efforts deserve, he still has to be the first name on the team sheet. He’s doing the high press, he’s the first on site to support when we have the ball, the one who drops short to collect the ball through the lines, and bar a couple of moments yesterday he’s doing his defensive duties, too. I don’t know how he keeps going, but should be commended for it, not slagged off by aforementioned c&@£s. So the only real negative for me is some of our fans, their short memories and worst of all their sense of football entitlement - the most distasteful attributes of those mostly South London slags who squat on the Fulham Rd. We generally feel more solid at the back and in time will start to click more upfront with games and some long overdue time on the training ground. Urrs | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:03 - Nov 8 with 748 views | distortR |
still not convinced by LTC, but i do go into that with a bit of bias.
He's a good player if he's allowed to be - most competent championship teams will negate him imho. A useful squad player in this intensive season for sure, but I wouldn't be moving Chair to accommodate him.
Hope to be proven wrong. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:10 - Nov 8 with 732 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 11:06 - Nov 8 by stevec |
Think the last time I expected us to beat another side was probably 2013.
In many ways that works, over excited when we do win, not overly upset when we lose. Of course, that mindset doesn’t just afflict the fans, it becomes part of a clubs overall culture.
It doesn’t matter how many times we’ve actually finished 16th, perhaps only to the pedants amongst us, but it does matter when that thinking becomes the norm. Listen to commentators, they don’t have to say 16th place QPR it just emits from their view of us.
When the psyche becomes all about finding the next profitable transfer, it’s a difficult balancing act trying to ensure you also improve as a team. I’m concerned that the Eze money ultimate aim is to find the next big money transfer rather than build an improving Championship team.
In reality I’m finding it hard to see what the end goal is. |
Is the end goal not to steadily build a la Brentford until you are good enough to challenge for promotion?
It requires patience (a lot), good decisions and consistency of management.
I am enjoying that. Long may it continue. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:29 - Nov 8 with 717 views | GroveR |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 06:00 - Nov 8 by B_Wad |
Brereton looked surprisingly pacey to me as well. We looked slow and like what was said, the game was open. We got caught on their second goal and their third goal came in the last minutes getting caught out looking for a last minute equalizer.
I thought we looked okay. Maybe the extra day of rest they had helped give them a little more pace in the second half. |
Easy to forget Brereton cost about £7m but agree he looked handy. Not sure why all the shìthousing from him and Johnson at every free kick was allowed to go - I thought kicking the ball away or standing on the ball/player was a booking*?
* straight red if you're Andy Hall. |  | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:59 - Nov 8 with 700 views | ted_hendrix |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:29 - Nov 8 by GroveR |
Easy to forget Brereton cost about £7m but agree he looked handy. Not sure why all the shìthousing from him and Johnson at every free kick was allowed to go - I thought kicking the ball away or standing on the ball/player was a booking*?
* straight red if you're Andy Hall. |
Brereton cost about £7m, I didn't realize that I wonder how much Armstrong cost? |  |
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:09 - Nov 8 with 687 views | PinnerPaul |
We were big 3/1 outsiders so not a total shock! | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:11 - Nov 8 with 684 views | PinnerPaul |
Funny how we didn't have any 'I didn't expect us to beat Derby/Cardiff today' threads?  | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:11 - Nov 8 with 684 views | francisbowles |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:59 - Nov 8 by ted_hendrix |
Brereton cost about £7m, I didn't realize that I wonder how much Armstrong cost? |
https://www.transfermarkt.co.u
Good value if this is anywhere near accurate. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:14 - Nov 8 with 680 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 20:15 - Nov 7 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Yeah sorry I forgot MW is beyond criticism, A god damn saint
No one else can match him and no one else would manage us anyway
Ungrateful sod I am
Forgetting of course, he is not to shy at slagging off supporters himself
*cough* [Post edited 7 Nov 2020 20:20]
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No, he's obviously not beyond criticism, but can't you see how having to read the same posters, say the same things about the manager when we lose without ever ever coming on here and giving him credit when we win is a little tiresome?
He actually said we deserved to be 2-0 down at HT if you actually bothered to listen to what he actually says.
We improved massively 2nd half because of HIS changes as well btw. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:15 - Nov 8 with 678 views | nix |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 12:59 - Nov 8 by ted_hendrix |
Brereton cost about £7m, I didn't realize that I wonder how much Armstrong cost? |
Less than £2 million Ted, which now looks like a steal! He's one of those players that Premiership teams, in this case Newcastle, hang onto and loan out to various EFL teams so he doesn't get proper development or continuity. A couple of seasons at Blackburn seems to have made all the difference. |  | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:16 - Nov 8 with 673 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 22:49 - Nov 7 by Myke |
That sounds a bit simplistic Clive. A bit Rednappish 'best players win games '. I watched about 40 minutes of Reading and Stoke today. The standard was abysmal Top and 6th and the standard was abysmal. I cannot accept that one player is the reason why we were comfortably beaten by an injury ravaged team who (at the time) were below us in the table.As for the 'we never win at Blackburn' theory, it's just nonsense. Most of the starting 11 weren't here last year, never mind over the last 20. We just weren't 'at it ' today like we were the last 2, maybe fatigue, maybe a sense of 'job done' until after the break., whatever the reason, we were below par
Warburton talks a lot of bs, but he is right when he says when we move the ball crisply and quickly we cause teams problems, when we lower our intensity,other teams over-run us.
Armstrong is a hell of a finisher, but to say we would have won 3-1 instead of losing by that margin, if he played for us, is not telling the full story. We need to be bang at it EVERY game, EVERY MINUTE of every game in fact, when we are, we are a decent team, a match for anyone - like Bournemouth away - when we are not, we are poor, |
No team in the world is bang at it every minute of every game - come on! | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:18 - Nov 8 with 669 views | ted_hendrix |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:15 - Nov 8 by nix |
Less than £2 million Ted, which now looks like a steal! He's one of those players that Premiership teams, in this case Newcastle, hang onto and loan out to various EFL teams so he doesn't get proper development or continuity. A couple of seasons at Blackburn seems to have made all the difference. |
£1.71m apparently? looks good value to me.
Thanks to FB for the link [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:19]
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:19 - Nov 8 with 662 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 01:18 - Nov 8 by timcocking |
Willock looked quality, didn't he? Two better shots in ten minutes from him than the rest of the side in ten games. Let's have a look at him taking the free kicks asap.
Dickie was skinned like the proverbial kipper at one stage, blatant pull back and second yellow card missed by the ref. Should have been sent off half way through.
Good game i thought, could have gone either way. Clive nailed it, Armstrong made the difference.
If i was looking for problems, it'd be the fact Dykes has now gone four consecutive games without completing a single successful pass. I'm not putting it all on him, just pointing that out. |
I'm going to repeat this until people get it.
Like Kane in the last match, ref signalled advantage, so although last season he would have been booked for 'Breaking up a promising attack' - this season because ref played advantage, attack was not broken up, so no caution allowed. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:22 - Nov 8 with 652 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 09:31 - Nov 8 by francisbowles |
Referee didn't miss it, he signalled advantage. When he allows the game to continue, he can't go back and issue a card for the offense, unless it's violent conduct.
We have to get smarter at the back. Dickie is so slow that he can't afford to let anyone get the wrong side of him. Probably why he is so 'handy'. We need to ensure that if we are playing a high line, he is not left exposed as he was yesterday. Maybe get Barbet to be providing a bit more cover for him. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 9:33]
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Sorry just seen this post.
Yes agree -almost- can go back for any red card offence - except denying a goal scoring opportunity OR if he thinks the yellow card offence is a reckless tackle, but not for breaking up a promising attack as I say above. | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:24 - Nov 8 with 651 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 09:52 - Nov 8 by RangersDave |
goals mate.
Dont matter how well you play, the best team is always the one that scores more goals than you. |
Sort of what I said to the screen when Nick London said to Andy Sinton
'What do Rangers have to do to win this match Andy?'
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| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:25 - Nov 8 with 649 views | PinnerPaul |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 10:15 - Nov 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Football is far more random than most fans like to admit. We play Blackburn next week after a good rest and there's a 50/50 chance we would beat them? Or perhaps we suit them in terms of strengths (their pace?) and weaknesses and they will always have the edge?
Their record this season and last suggests they're just an average Championship team. When fans, including me, say of a team "they are the best team we have played all season" subsequent events usually prove them wrong.
Anyway we had a lengthy trip, 3 days gap following a tough away match which went down to the wire and Blackburn had 4 days rest following a home match. That alone could be enough to swing it one way or the other. Fans and pundits give too little consideration to the physical demands made of the players in the modern game. Managers and coaches always emphasise it's importance and nobody listens. The sports scientists tell us it makes a big difference. |
Yep agree, and probably a big factor in our defeating Cardiff | | | |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:37 - Nov 8 with 636 views | ngbqpr |
| I expected us to beat blackburn today. on 13:15 - Nov 8 by nix |
Less than £2 million Ted, which now looks like a steal! He's one of those players that Premiership teams, in this case Newcastle, hang onto and loan out to various EFL teams so he doesn't get proper development or continuity. A couple of seasons at Blackburn seems to have made all the difference. |
My partner's a Geordie. Like you Nix, we checked what Rovers had got Armstrong for - suffice to say she wasn't impressed when computing 1.75 mill against Joelinton for 40 mill... |  |
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