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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 09:49 - Aug 7 by PunteR
How much did we get for Eze ? No less than that.
In fact is Willock worth more ? Is he a better player than Eze ?
He’s obviously a different player but having watched his brother I'd say he has similar potential to Joe. He could comfortably play for a top half Prem side IMO. $18-20 plus add-ons (watch us sell him to Brighton for a packet of Walkers cheese and onion).
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 19:52 - Aug 7 with 1961 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 16:41 - Aug 7 by stanistheman
I understand the logic in cashing in on Willock, but the only way I would do so this season is with a loan back for the remainder of it.
I am not saying we are good enough to go up, but any remote chance we might have is with Willock in the side (much the same way as when we won the title in 2010/11).
I understand it is only what clubs are willing to pay, but QPR should price him at £15m+ just as Lewis Porter sold by Hull to Brentford.
Check out 3 years younger Lewis Potters record and you might see what attracts a 15 mill price tag. Willock could very well go for more one day but not yet.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 03:01 - Aug 8 with 1708 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 13:43 - Aug 7 by ed_83
You can’t “get” a player to sign a contract if they don’t want to. Everyone on here obviously wants Willock to sign, and there’s no evidence to suggest that he won’t, but if he doesn’t then our two options are to get whatever fee we can for him by September 2023, or left him leave on a free in January 2024.
We had a crack at promotion last year and fcked it, which is why selling someone like Willock within the next 12 months is so critical. Our whole business model depends on buying players cheap, improving them, selling them at a profit, reinvesting some of the money and repeating the cycle until we’ve got a squad that can compete with the parachute payment clubs. We sold Eze and got better, and we’ll need to do the same with Willock / Chair / Dieng / Dickie / whoever else, including managing morale in the squad, in the future
Enjoy all of them while they’re here, sure, but if we’re going to build a squad capable of properly challenging for promotion then we need to keep selling valuable players and creating new ones - that’s not a question of preference, it’s the financial reality of trying to compete in this league.
Evidently, if Willock won't sign a new contract for no very good reason (given Freeman did for purely symbolic reasons, probably agreeing with the club there and then they would accept any reasonable offer), we're somewhat stymied - thanks for pointing out the obvious. As to your regurgitation of the 'there is no alternative' business model so beloved of one or two movers and shakers in this board, and to repeat, the idea that because we fell apart last season (through a collective loss of confidence/motivation, the likes of Austin and Jojo not delivering, and a sub-standard management team) we'd better not try to challenge for promotion this year with Willock but get rid of him as soon as possible just to be on the safe side is just so drearily defeatist, illogical and depressing I'm not even going to bother commenting on it. The laughable irony is that precisely by selling Eze and reinvesting (some of) that money on recruiting players the club's 'due diligence' thought would improve us - but no one young, talented, creative and polishable to step into his shoes - we actually went backwards in the end, which only illustrates what a risky game such manoeuvring is. Apart from Freeman, Ebs and now seemingly Willock this month if some get their wish, QPR hardly have a stellar record in 'upcycling' their squad this way - in fact, in some ways, I don't think things have changed that much since we cashed in on Ferdinand and Peacock without adequate reinvestment (when we didn't have the excuse of FFP for doing so).
As I go on pointing out, like it or not, if a club goes on selling its best players at the drop of a hat, it is unlikely to progress - and before anyone accuses me of being stuck in the 1970s or similar tired claptrap, Gerry Francis for one was saying exactly the same thing just a year or two back in an interview. As for the 'rinse and repeat' mantra of the realist ideologues on this board (who to me speak far less like fans and far more like entrepreneurs with a QPR habit - they probably also enjoy using phrases like 'the football side of the business' just to rub it in), I know FFP is something we're stuck with, and we have to cut our cloth with a degree of grim caution (how could I not when the same refrain is recapitulated at every possible opportunity), but the alacrity with which one or two came onto this board after Saturday with cash registers in their eyes made me want to retch.
For those who don't have enough blue and white soul in their ears to hear, look away now, but football clubs are NOT just businesses, however much people want to speak as if that's their main purpose. Losing those players who make our team special (i) alienates young fans for whom players like Willock are role models - something the likes of Lee Hoos, who has spoken about growing the fan base, wouldn't recognise if CW kicked a ball at him, (ii) risks diminishing team spirit, and (iii) also makes it harder to add quality to the squad. I suspect, however, that many of the more totalitarian realists in this domain are also the ones who say, quite openly, they would be happy for us to go on playing decent football in the Champ for the rest of time, so none of that probably matters to them.
Players leave - they always do - trick is to make those departures as positive or as least painful as possible. For instance… you don’t replace a Trevor Sinclair with a Tim Breacker / Keith Rowlands combo deal; you replace him with the next Trevor Sinclair. Easy to say and they’re hard to find but that’s somebody’s full time job.
In the poll I’ve said £15Mill plus because I personally think he’s a £20Mill player. I’m wrong more often than I’m right about football matters. I’m so happy Willock has made me wrong again as when he first appeared I thought he was too lightweight, too timid and didn’t see him making it. Actually the lad is superb and seems to have even more to offer. All credit to who identified him, signed him but most importantly of all, who worked with him to get him where he is.
The romantic in me says keep him and fashion a team around him. If fit, firing, on form and supported by a cast of players worthy of top 10 then it’s players like him who make the difference.
I’m glad I made it there on Saturday to witness that goal in the flesh. Moments like those are memories forever and if that was to be my last trip to Loftus Road it’s one lit up by a player on the up.
I hope he signs a new Contract!!!!!
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 11:23 - Aug 8 with 1570 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 03:01 - Aug 8 by stainrods_elbow
Evidently, if Willock won't sign a new contract for no very good reason (given Freeman did for purely symbolic reasons, probably agreeing with the club there and then they would accept any reasonable offer), we're somewhat stymied - thanks for pointing out the obvious. As to your regurgitation of the 'there is no alternative' business model so beloved of one or two movers and shakers in this board, and to repeat, the idea that because we fell apart last season (through a collective loss of confidence/motivation, the likes of Austin and Jojo not delivering, and a sub-standard management team) we'd better not try to challenge for promotion this year with Willock but get rid of him as soon as possible just to be on the safe side is just so drearily defeatist, illogical and depressing I'm not even going to bother commenting on it. The laughable irony is that precisely by selling Eze and reinvesting (some of) that money on recruiting players the club's 'due diligence' thought would improve us - but no one young, talented, creative and polishable to step into his shoes - we actually went backwards in the end, which only illustrates what a risky game such manoeuvring is. Apart from Freeman, Ebs and now seemingly Willock this month if some get their wish, QPR hardly have a stellar record in 'upcycling' their squad this way - in fact, in some ways, I don't think things have changed that much since we cashed in on Ferdinand and Peacock without adequate reinvestment (when we didn't have the excuse of FFP for doing so).
As I go on pointing out, like it or not, if a club goes on selling its best players at the drop of a hat, it is unlikely to progress - and before anyone accuses me of being stuck in the 1970s or similar tired claptrap, Gerry Francis for one was saying exactly the same thing just a year or two back in an interview. As for the 'rinse and repeat' mantra of the realist ideologues on this board (who to me speak far less like fans and far more like entrepreneurs with a QPR habit - they probably also enjoy using phrases like 'the football side of the business' just to rub it in), I know FFP is something we're stuck with, and we have to cut our cloth with a degree of grim caution (how could I not when the same refrain is recapitulated at every possible opportunity), but the alacrity with which one or two came onto this board after Saturday with cash registers in their eyes made me want to retch.
For those who don't have enough blue and white soul in their ears to hear, look away now, but football clubs are NOT just businesses, however much people want to speak as if that's their main purpose. Losing those players who make our team special (i) alienates young fans for whom players like Willock are role models - something the likes of Lee Hoos, who has spoken about growing the fan base, wouldn't recognise if CW kicked a ball at him, (ii) risks diminishing team spirit, and (iii) also makes it harder to add quality to the squad. I suspect, however, that many of the more totalitarian realists in this domain are also the ones who say, quite openly, they would be happy for us to go on playing decent football in the Champ for the rest of time, so none of that probably matters to them.
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Look, we’re all entitled to our views, but insinuating that people aren’t real fans because they take a different view of transfer policy is pretty cheap tbh. We all love this terrible, infuriating club and want what’s best for it, even if we disagree about what exactly that is.
Two quick points, because I don’t think an expanded back-and-forth two days after a brilliant win is a good use of anyone’s time. One - it is a bit mad to claim that we didn’t recruit anyone “young, talented, creative and polishable” to step into Eze’s shoes in a thread about Chris Willock, who was signed two months after Eze left with the money we made off him.
Second, of course every single Rs would fan would love to see us keep all our best players and challenge for promotion. I completely agree about keeping people entertained and inspired - there’s clearly a balance to be struck. But the fact remains that our size, finances and options are those of a lower mid-table Championship club: if we don’t develop players and sell them for profit, we will end up in League One sooner or later, regardless of whether you think Lee Hoos is defeatist for saying so.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 12:51 - Aug 8 with 1487 views
My only worries are that outside of 'parachute' clubs everyone is trying this now and you can only rinse and change so many times before you find the replacements are not what you thought they would be. So you sell no one and have a poor team.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 18:42 - Aug 8 with 1346 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 12:51 - Aug 8 by DavieQPR
My only worries are that outside of 'parachute' clubs everyone is trying this now and you can only rinse and change so many times before you find the replacements are not what you thought they would be. So you sell no one and have a poor team.
Brentford did it without parachute payments so it’s possible Luton and Millwall got close too.but it takes many seasons and patience from fans.We lost our top goal scorers practically every season and still remain top half and challenging for play offs.It’s not just recruitment it’s having the staff to improve the raw potential talent and be prepared to fail at times.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 19:08 - Aug 8 with 1307 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 18:44 - Aug 8 by switchingcode
Brentford did it without parachute payments so it’s possible Luton and Millwall got close too.but it takes many seasons and patience from fans.We lost our top goal scorers practically every season and still remain top half and challenging for play offs.It’s not just recruitment it’s having the staff to improve the raw potential talent and be prepared to fail at times.
And luck something people fail to factor in just because all the stats tell you someone will be good means that a) they will progress b) Won't get injured c) The new found money and status won't diminish their hunger and desire. Every single transfer in history is a gamble to some degree. Just googled who Man City signed at the same time as Vincent Kompany and while Nigel De Jong and Pablo Zabaleta provided great service not sure you could say the same for Robinho Tal Ben Haim and Jo
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 19:10 - Aug 8 with 1303 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 11:23 - Aug 8 by ed_83
Look, we’re all entitled to our views, but insinuating that people aren’t real fans because they take a different view of transfer policy is pretty cheap tbh. We all love this terrible, infuriating club and want what’s best for it, even if we disagree about what exactly that is.
Two quick points, because I don’t think an expanded back-and-forth two days after a brilliant win is a good use of anyone’s time. One - it is a bit mad to claim that we didn’t recruit anyone “young, talented, creative and polishable” to step into Eze’s shoes in a thread about Chris Willock, who was signed two months after Eze left with the money we made off him.
Second, of course every single Rs would fan would love to see us keep all our best players and challenge for promotion. I completely agree about keeping people entertained and inspired - there’s clearly a balance to be struck. But the fact remains that our size, finances and options are those of a lower mid-table Championship club: if we don’t develop players and sell them for profit, we will end up in League One sooner or later, regardless of whether you think Lee Hoos is defeatist for saying so.
Yes, Willock did arrive just after the Eze transfer - point rather embarrassedly taken - though the reported fee was only 750k. His rise since, though, has indeed been wonderful to behold at times, and I hope he goes from strength to strength this season, now he's also so much more physically robust. He has the talent, but needs the consistency. Can he step up? (The Terror Bat, with all his chicanery, arguably couldn't quite.)
As for my tone, it's probably an allergic reaction to those fans who just say the same thing all the time, over-identify with the 'business model' rather than being fans first (irrational, enthusiastic, demanding magic and entertainment etc.) and/or who try to portray my compensatory counter-arguments as merely naively nostalgic to fit their own agenda. Personally, I never have too much time for people who try to take the high bground with their smug 'well, I'm a realist' refrain. If that makes me a bit mad, so be it!
'For every action there is an equal and opposite counter-reaction', as I think Newton put it.
On your other conclusion/fantasy of our future, I'd contest, au contraire, that it's at least as likely we'll end up in League One if we go on cashing in our best players prematurely, so we have diiffering views on the same scenario, that's all. If we're to have a real crack this season, or any season, we need to create a culture at the club that all the players want to buy into, rather than being dictated by agents, FFS (sorry, FFP) and the culture of mediocrity/anti-success that has always pervaded QPR. Willock, Chair and Dickie need to believe they can go places with us, and propel us to success, and that comes down from the whole culture of the club.
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 19:08 - Aug 8 by denhamhoop2
And luck something people fail to factor in just because all the stats tell you someone will be good means that a) they will progress b) Won't get injured c) The new found money and status won't diminish their hunger and desire. Every single transfer in history is a gamble to some degree. Just googled who Man City signed at the same time as Vincent Kompany and while Nigel De Jong and Pablo Zabaleta provided great service not sure you could say the same for Robinho Tal Ben Haim and Jo
Luck it’s a big factor and never mentioned in stats we have sold loads of players at the right time due to the buying clubs being desperate at the time for example Steve Bruce spending over 15 mill for Scott Hogan in the January window to try and get them over the line which was a complete failure.Harry Redknapp buying Jota Colin and Harlee Dean on transfer deadline day for best part of 12 mill sending our fans into melt down and very critical of our owner.I do think however that plan can only work for a small club who can afford to be patient the championship is full of big clubs with massive ambitions with fans who have the same.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 20:41 - Aug 8 with 1208 views
Yeah sell for £20 million at the end of the season by which time we're enjoying our obligation on Taylor Richards in prep for him being a £30 million player in 2025. Should probably be trying to identify the next Sam Field too because he's the kind of player a lot of clubs will be desperate for, just watching West Brom makes you wonder why he plays for us!
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 05:00 - Aug 8 by Lblock
Players leave - they always do - trick is to make those departures as positive or as least painful as possible. For instance… you don’t replace a Trevor Sinclair with a Tim Breacker / Keith Rowlands combo deal; you replace him with the next Trevor Sinclair. Easy to say and they’re hard to find but that’s somebody’s full time job.
In the poll I’ve said £15Mill plus because I personally think he’s a £20Mill player. I’m wrong more often than I’m right about football matters. I’m so happy Willock has made me wrong again as when he first appeared I thought he was too lightweight, too timid and didn’t see him making it. Actually the lad is superb and seems to have even more to offer. All credit to who identified him, signed him but most importantly of all, who worked with him to get him where he is.
The romantic in me says keep him and fashion a team around him. If fit, firing, on form and supported by a cast of players worthy of top 10 then it’s players like him who make the difference.
I’m glad I made it there on Saturday to witness that goal in the flesh. Moments like those are memories forever and if that was to be my last trip to Loftus Road it’s one lit up by a player on the up.
I hope he signs a new Contract!!!!!
Oh you swine I'd forgotten about the return we got for Sinclair after many years of trying. Now I'm angry about it again.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 03:11 - Aug 9 with 1107 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 18:16 - Aug 7 by joolsyp
He’s obviously a different player but having watched his brother I'd say he has similar potential to Joe. He could comfortably play for a top half Prem side IMO. $18-20 plus add-ons (watch us sell him to Brighton for a packet of Walkers cheese and onion).
Interesting point, I wonder if the fact his brother is doing well in the Prem adds a little to his value. It shouldn't, obviously, but people have made careers off less
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 07:34 - Aug 9 with 1031 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 13:43 - Aug 7 by ed_83
You can’t “get” a player to sign a contract if they don’t want to. Everyone on here obviously wants Willock to sign, and there’s no evidence to suggest that he won’t, but if he doesn’t then our two options are to get whatever fee we can for him by September 2023, or left him leave on a free in January 2024.
We had a crack at promotion last year and fcked it, which is why selling someone like Willock within the next 12 months is so critical. Our whole business model depends on buying players cheap, improving them, selling them at a profit, reinvesting some of the money and repeating the cycle until we’ve got a squad that can compete with the parachute payment clubs. We sold Eze and got better, and we’ll need to do the same with Willock / Chair / Dieng / Dickie / whoever else, including managing morale in the squad, in the future
Enjoy all of them while they’re here, sure, but if we’re going to build a squad capable of properly challenging for promotion then we need to keep selling valuable players and creating new ones - that’s not a question of preference, it’s the financial reality of trying to compete in this league.
From the top of my head, we've been able to sell Chery and get Freeman and be better, sell Freeman and replace with Eze and get better and then sell Eze and got Willock and Chair and the team got better.
Personally I don't fear selling players anymore, I'm sorry to see them leave but at least there seems to be a plan these days. I'm actually quite excited to see what they come up with to replace him.
Whether holding on to him this season for another push is the best thing long term it's hard to know but I don't think it's the only option. After the initial setback I suspect that we would be stronger after a while.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:07 - Aug 9 with 960 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 03:09 - Aug 9 by Match82
Oh you swine I'd forgotten about the return we got for Sinclair after many years of trying. Now I'm angry about it again.
Sinclair is actually a good example of selling at the right time rather than clinging on and on. We ended up getting £1m and a few waifs and strays from West Ham for a player we'd previously turned down £8m for who subsequently went and played in the World Cup for England. Kept him to "have a go" at getting straight back out of the First Division, and his value depreciated massively as his contract declined and he started agitating for a move. Team, meanwhile, didn't even make the play-offs.
If Willock isn't going to sign a new deal, and doesn't have an option on our side, then either this window or January his value is going to peak. You're on a clock thereafter. If he's going to come back from this injury and play like he did on Saturday I think you're moving him from the £8m-£10m mark where he is now, up towards the sort of money we got for Eze, which of course we then used to buy Willock in the first place. And Dunne. And Dickie. And Field. And Johansen.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:23 - Aug 9 with 935 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:07 - Aug 9 by Northernr
Sinclair is actually a good example of selling at the right time rather than clinging on and on. We ended up getting £1m and a few waifs and strays from West Ham for a player we'd previously turned down £8m for who subsequently went and played in the World Cup for England. Kept him to "have a go" at getting straight back out of the First Division, and his value depreciated massively as his contract declined and he started agitating for a move. Team, meanwhile, didn't even make the play-offs.
If Willock isn't going to sign a new deal, and doesn't have an option on our side, then either this window or January his value is going to peak. You're on a clock thereafter. If he's going to come back from this injury and play like he did on Saturday I think you're moving him from the £8m-£10m mark where he is now, up towards the sort of money we got for Eze, which of course we then used to buy Willock in the first place. And Dunne. And Dickie. And Field. And Johansen.
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This is what worries me most. Not so much selling him and wondering who the replacement will be, but rather having the awful experience with BOS and Manning where they run down their contract and we get nothing or next to nothing. That season was painful just seeing BOS pulling out of every tackle to avoid injury, while £000s were lost every month he wasn't sold.
Middlesbrough spent £10 million last season and were potentially in some FFP trouble but luckily sold Spence snd Tavernier for £20 million. If we were to get £15 million upwards for Chris, the finances would be good for a few years and we could afford to invest a bit in good young players. I don't want to be a selling club. None of us does. But that's the reality and unless we're all going to give the club a few thousand to keep the finances up, we have to be a bit realistic.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:31 - Aug 9 with 918 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:07 - Aug 9 by Northernr
Sinclair is actually a good example of selling at the right time rather than clinging on and on. We ended up getting £1m and a few waifs and strays from West Ham for a player we'd previously turned down £8m for who subsequently went and played in the World Cup for England. Kept him to "have a go" at getting straight back out of the First Division, and his value depreciated massively as his contract declined and he started agitating for a move. Team, meanwhile, didn't even make the play-offs.
If Willock isn't going to sign a new deal, and doesn't have an option on our side, then either this window or January his value is going to peak. You're on a clock thereafter. If he's going to come back from this injury and play like he did on Saturday I think you're moving him from the £8m-£10m mark where he is now, up towards the sort of money we got for Eze, which of course we then used to buy Willock in the first place. And Dunne. And Dickie. And Field. And Johansen.
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With respect, Clive, your first para. (complete with scare-quotes) is a textbook example of wisdom with hindsight. I think the club were brave to try to hang onto Sinclair and bring in the likes of Spencer etc. rather than hold a fire sale, and instead go for promotion at the first attempt, and don't think I was alone at the time. Unfortunately, things didn't quite gel, and that's football. The actual fee we'd have received for Tricky at different points on the timeline in question is also retrosoectively speculative, while the players we brought in mainly point to the impoverishment of our recruitment at that time.
Interestingly, Warburton was pretty downbeat about the receipt of the Eze money, stating in an Offish interview (someone can dig up a link) it DIDN'T give us significant leverage in the transfer market all of a sudden and mainly just allowed the owners to write slightly smaller cheques each month to keep us afloat - which casts its own damning light on how much of that money he or any manager would have had to play with. At least some of the recruitment of the players you mention would likely have been done anyway, as clubs do buy players without selling other players first.
My point is, as another poster has pointed out, it's all a gamble every time - selling Sinclair in 1998 and re-recruiting, or keeping him and at least trying to go places. Ditto Willock in 2022. Of course, it also depends partly on the player's head, and now (don't remind me!) on FFP. 'RInse and repeat' is just as much a risk as anything else - when it doesn't work, and often it won't, it's essentially 'managed decline'.
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:23 - Aug 9 by nix
This is what worries me most. Not so much selling him and wondering who the replacement will be, but rather having the awful experience with BOS and Manning where they run down their contract and we get nothing or next to nothing. That season was painful just seeing BOS pulling out of every tackle to avoid injury, while £000s were lost every month he wasn't sold.
Middlesbrough spent £10 million last season and were potentially in some FFP trouble but luckily sold Spence snd Tavernier for £20 million. If we were to get £15 million upwards for Chris, the finances would be good for a few years and we could afford to invest a bit in good young players. I don't want to be a selling club. None of us does. But that's the reality and unless we're all going to give the club a few thousand to keep the finances up, we have to be a bit realistic.
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Ah yes, the voice of totalitarian realism once again, loud and clear! (It's like my previous posts were never written!) If everything has 'got to be' this and 'got to be' that, why are we here arguign the toss at all?
How do you know what we'd have got for BOS if we'd sold him sooner? As has already been pointed out, a club gets what another club is willing to pay, and many variables are involved.
See my latest post on this thread as you obvously didn't digest my others. It's also ludicrous to claim a big fee for Willock will sort out the club's finances for the next few years - if that were the case, why hasn't the 15m we got for Eze already done so for the rest of the decade? I have referred us all already to Warburton's comments here - or do you think he was just making that up? Even by your own logic, you don't make sense.
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:38 - Aug 9 by stainrods_elbow
Ah yes, the voice of totalitarian realism once again, loud and clear! (It's like my previous posts were never written!) If everything has 'got to be' this and 'got to be' that, why are we here arguign the toss at all?
How do you know what we'd have got for BOS if we'd sold him sooner? As has already been pointed out, a club gets what another club is willing to pay, and many variables are involved.
See my latest post on this thread as you obvously didn't digest my others. It's also ludicrous to claim a big fee for Willock will sort out the club's finances for the next few years - if that were the case, why hasn't the 15m we got for Eze already done so for the rest of the decade? I have referred us all already to Warburton's comments here - or do you think he was just making that up? Even by your own logic, you don't make sense.
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We agreed a transfer fee of €5m with Brugge for BOS and he didn't want to go there so we know exactly what we would have got for him. I won't go into the appalling mishandling of him by McClaren but that sticks in a lot of folks craws.
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 10:19 - Aug 9 with 776 views
What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 08:38 - Aug 9 by stainrods_elbow
Ah yes, the voice of totalitarian realism once again, loud and clear! (It's like my previous posts were never written!) If everything has 'got to be' this and 'got to be' that, why are we here arguign the toss at all?
How do you know what we'd have got for BOS if we'd sold him sooner? As has already been pointed out, a club gets what another club is willing to pay, and many variables are involved.
See my latest post on this thread as you obvously didn't digest my others. It's also ludicrous to claim a big fee for Willock will sort out the club's finances for the next few years - if that were the case, why hasn't the 15m we got for Eze already done so for the rest of the decade? I have referred us all already to Warburton's comments here - or do you think he was just making that up? Even by your own logic, you don't make sense.
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"Why hasn't the 15m we got for Eze already done so out for the rest of the decade..."
Covid happened. Eze's sale literally paid for our losses for when the stadium was closed due to Covid. Your mate and bete noire Lee Hoos has been at pains to point that out at pretty much every turn for the last couple of years...
Can we not knock it?
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What would you take for Willock if a bid comes this month? on 10:19 - Aug 9 with 771 views
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