| Posties…. 23:18 - Aug 9 with 14442 views | colinallcars |
Four days strike action in Aug and Sept. We should really get behind them on this issue.
They are an integral part of all our lives and, I feel, somewhat taken for granted.
Give them a good pay rise to show how much we appreciate them. |  | | |  |
| Posties…. on 23:52 - Aug 11 with 2810 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Posties…. on 22:05 - Aug 11 by DavieQPR |
I would find a lot of arguments a lot more convincing about a decent wage if most of them weren't on a good wage already. Post Office workers and Train drivers aren't actually struggling to survive. With any good rises the money has to come from somewhere. Increased prices for everyone or less pension pot. Plus you don't think it will stop here do you? Every Union will have a go. |
If you are going to make bold utterances about sympathy for arguments you should actually read the arguments.
Haysender, an actual postie, has told us it’s not about money. All CWU comms have said the same.
The money can come out of any of the multi billion £ profits made by companies that used to belong to us. |  | | |
| Posties…. on 02:24 - Aug 12 with 2698 views | LazyFan |
| Posties…. on 17:19 - Aug 11 by SheffieldHoop |
Weird because I've spent the last 2 years being told that inequality is a result of society, rather than "not being born equal"
The NHS employs 1.2 million people and has 000's more vacancies in England alone. If you cannot find a "worthwhile job to do" in this country - You're not gonna find it anywhere else. |
It's only "worthwhile" if you don't starve or lose shelter doing it.
That's why there are 40,000 jobs to hire for in the NHS, as people are quitting faster than they can train up to replace them.
This is a result of weak passive Unions not defending their member's rights as the many right-whinger Thatcherite govt's (I include New Labour in that) over the decades abused the caring nature of their members to trample all over 'em again and again, only stopping for few no-spend claps.
BTW does this mean that you support NHS workers striking as they are seeking to do so, source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/he
Even the Daily Fail cannot bring itself to attack them. Will you?
Or will you do a backhanded comment of the like of "well I would back their strikes more than the Posties" which is right-whinger code for neither of course?
Do you back any industrial action ever? And if so, under what circumstances? What conditions make it acceptable to you, to the extent that you would publicly support it?
Or is there no strike action that you would ever support? Don't be coy if that's the case, plenty of others never support strikes no matter what. For example, Sir Kier Starmer and David Lammy from New Labour would be with you. They don't support strikes either. |  |
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| Posties…. on 12:44 - Aug 12 with 2497 views | westberksr |
| Posties…. on 16:35 - Aug 11 by SheffieldHoop |
What's malicious is this thing on here where you get abuse for stating obvious facts, which are based on common sense and backed up by evidence.
Soviet Union-style political correctness. It's a shame because I agree with most of the Libs of LFW when it comes to most QPR related stuff. |
I think you are posting opinions, not facts.
lots of big statements without any evidence to back them up.
the world entirely viewed from your situation without any regards for the 'average' and what services might be required by them |  | | |
| Posties…. on 13:50 - Aug 12 with 2404 views | derbyhoop |
This is building up to be " A Summer of discontent".
People, particularly in the public sector, are fed up with pay increases well below levels of inflation. The govt seems to be closing its ears. Maybe, its a strategy to blame the problems on the unions. |  |
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| Posties…. on 14:59 - Aug 12 with 2322 views | Snipper |
I’m pretty sure that this Tory government is doing this on purpose when it comes to the price of gas and electricity.
This cost of living crisis will kill many in more ways than one. People will commit suicide when they can’t pay bills.
This government doesn’t want people retiring and enjoying their twighlight years with their well earned pension.
These prices will keep going up and up. It’s like paying a never ending mortgage.
So that means that millions of normal working class people will practically carry on working until they drop. Thus not living long enough to enjoy their pension.
This is the governments long term plan.
Working class people who vote Tory are slitting their own throats. |  | | |
| Posties…. on 15:09 - Aug 12 with 2303 views | R_from_afar |
| Posties…. on 16:03 - Aug 11 by SheffieldHoop |
20 years later and people get their credit card bills sent directly to their email address, no tree cutting or diesel vans required. |
I do agree that less deforestation and fewer petrol or diesel vehicles delivering stuff is a good thing but beware of companies crowing about their "green" paper free, e-mail based approaches. E-mails sit on power hungry servers in air conditioned data centres, with the following, approximate carbon footprints:
0.3g CO2e: A spam email
4g CO2e: A proper email
50g CO2e: An email with long and tiresome attachment |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Posties…. on 15:32 - Aug 12 with 2261 views | R_from_afar |
| Posties…. on 20:09 - Aug 10 by Hayesender |
This is about a lot more than our wages, it's also about our working hours and conditions.
They're trying to turn us into another Amazon/DHL/Hermies type of company with no sick pay, and zero hour contract type of working, not knowing our shifts week to week.
Good luck getting tickets, passports, debit cards etc delivered when that happens |
I had spent all of my life working for corporates and enjoying all the benefits they offer until I got made redundant - yet again - in 2017.
I was 52 and wanted to get straight back into work and so I took a contract role, as a self-employed worker, on half the money I had previously earned, with zero benefits.
It was worth it because I could start working again straight away and because it was local and in a rapidly growing industry in which I had never worked previously but man alive was it scary not having any sick pay, paid holiday or pension 
Ultimately, I don't think it does companies any good either when they have employees living on a knife edge like that. Just my two groats worth  | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Posties…. on 17:26 - Aug 12 with 2161 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 02:24 - Aug 12 by LazyFan |
It's only "worthwhile" if you don't starve or lose shelter doing it.
That's why there are 40,000 jobs to hire for in the NHS, as people are quitting faster than they can train up to replace them.
This is a result of weak passive Unions not defending their member's rights as the many right-whinger Thatcherite govt's (I include New Labour in that) over the decades abused the caring nature of their members to trample all over 'em again and again, only stopping for few no-spend claps.
BTW does this mean that you support NHS workers striking as they are seeking to do so, source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/he
Even the Daily Fail cannot bring itself to attack them. Will you?
Or will you do a backhanded comment of the like of "well I would back their strikes more than the Posties" which is right-whinger code for neither of course?
Do you back any industrial action ever? And if so, under what circumstances? What conditions make it acceptable to you, to the extent that you would publicly support it?
Or is there no strike action that you would ever support? Don't be coy if that's the case, plenty of others never support strikes no matter what. For example, Sir Kier Starmer and David Lammy from New Labour would be with you. They don't support strikes either. |
I currently work for the NHS. I will never go on strike.
Do I support NHS workers going on strike? No. Perhaps I can make an exception for some Band 1/2, and at a stretch, possibly band 3 staff - those are the people who are truly working crazy hours and not getting much reward for it - but not all NHS staff. No way.
Frankly, anyone in Band 4 and above has no good reason to be on strike, in my opinion. I will have far more senior people than me in my NHS organisation who disagree with me and who will likely go on strike. Do I care about what they think? No. Will I join or support them? Definitely not. |  |
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| Posties…. on 17:32 - Aug 12 with 2147 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 15:09 - Aug 12 by R_from_afar |
I do agree that less deforestation and fewer petrol or diesel vehicles delivering stuff is a good thing but beware of companies crowing about their "green" paper free, e-mail based approaches. E-mails sit on power hungry servers in air conditioned data centres, with the following, approximate carbon footprints:
0.3g CO2e: A spam email
4g CO2e: A proper email
50g CO2e: An email with long and tiresome attachment |
I'm not particularly bothered about the Green side of it myself - It's the inconsistency across the arguments that bugs me. One minute the only thing that matters is the climate, we're all burning to death, the next we need to keep Posties driving door to door in diesel vans because someone doesn't know how to change their Barclaycard contact preferences to email only. The same people advance both arguments. [Post edited 12 Aug 2022 17:40]
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| Posties…. on 17:47 - Aug 12 with 2130 views | denhamhoop2 |
| Posties…. on 17:32 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
I'm not particularly bothered about the Green side of it myself - It's the inconsistency across the arguments that bugs me. One minute the only thing that matters is the climate, we're all burning to death, the next we need to keep Posties driving door to door in diesel vans because someone doesn't know how to change their Barclaycard contact preferences to email only. The same people advance both arguments. [Post edited 12 Aug 2022 17:40]
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I love the fact you have it in your head that all the Posties deliver is letters and junk mail. A large proportion of deliveries these days involves packets and parcels many of whom are for other courier delivery companies. Which they choose to pass onto Royal Mail because it is not cost effective for them to deliver them(Which by the way thanks to the anti Monopoly act they pay somewhere between 2.5 pence and 5.5 pence per item whilst the items they deliver themselves their staff get paid 90 pence so that's quite a saving on that alone)
The green agenda is absolute fantasy land from the company as their way of being Greener is rather than using Air Transport put everything on the road oh and take the Larger Items away from your Delivery Postman and have it delivered by separate new employees so the same company delivering twice on the same day to the same address |  | | |
| Posties…. on 17:51 - Aug 12 with 2115 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 17:47 - Aug 12 by denhamhoop2 |
I love the fact you have it in your head that all the Posties deliver is letters and junk mail. A large proportion of deliveries these days involves packets and parcels many of whom are for other courier delivery companies. Which they choose to pass onto Royal Mail because it is not cost effective for them to deliver them(Which by the way thanks to the anti Monopoly act they pay somewhere between 2.5 pence and 5.5 pence per item whilst the items they deliver themselves their staff get paid 90 pence so that's quite a saving on that alone)
The green agenda is absolute fantasy land from the company as their way of being Greener is rather than using Air Transport put everything on the road oh and take the Larger Items away from your Delivery Postman and have it delivered by separate new employees so the same company delivering twice on the same day to the same address |
Well, that is all they deliver to my house. Reasons for this have already been detailed. I don't want to see people losing their job, but at the same time, I don't want the country being held ransom by Unions. | |
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| Posties…. on 17:54 - Aug 12 with 2089 views | SheffieldHoop |
Fat lot of use if the staff refuse to drive 'em | |
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| Posties…. on 18:00 - Aug 12 with 2073 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Posties…. on 17:54 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
Fat lot of use if the staff refuse to drive 'em |
You’ve abandoned your argument as quick as you’ve abandoned your half a dozen profiles! | | | |
| Posties…. on 18:07 - Aug 12 with 2048 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 18:00 - Aug 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You’ve abandoned your argument as quick as you’ve abandoned your half a dozen profiles! |
And still not half as quick as your dad abandoned your mum | |
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| Posties…. on 18:17 - Aug 12 with 2003 views | larsricchi |
| Posties…. on 18:07 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
And still not half as quick as your dad abandoned your mum |
Well, now I'm convinced.
Jesus. |  | | |
| Posties…. on 18:21 - Aug 12 with 1963 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 18:17 - Aug 12 by larsricchi |
Well, now I'm convinced.
Jesus. |
What other reply do you expect when someone starts accusing me of posting from multiple accounts....It's not provable either way. I know I use this account only, it's the same account I've had for years. But I can't prove on here that I'm not also posting as Distort, W12, Northern, Hollywood or anyone else.
Bazza on the other hand evidently does use sock puppets to support his lame little arguments on here, hence why he's accusing others all the time. | |
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| Posties…. on 18:27 - Aug 12 with 1942 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Posties…. on 18:21 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
What other reply do you expect when someone starts accusing me of posting from multiple accounts....It's not provable either way. I know I use this account only, it's the same account I've had for years. But I can't prove on here that I'm not also posting as Distort, W12, Northern, Hollywood or anyone else.
Bazza on the other hand evidently does use sock puppets to support his lame little arguments on here, hence why he's accusing others all the time. |
Have a lovely weekend mate. | | | |
| Posties…. on 18:37 - Aug 12 with 1904 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 18:27 - Aug 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Have a lovely weekend mate. |
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| Posties…. on 18:43 - Aug 12 with 1891 views | denhamhoop2 |
| Posties…. on 17:51 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
Well, that is all they deliver to my house. Reasons for this have already been detailed. I don't want to see people losing their job, but at the same time, I don't want the country being held ransom by Unions. |
No far better to be held to ransom by shareholders and large corporations who are not adverse to tax avoidance(Not evasion of course) whereas most of us hoi polloi have all our contributions taken at source. Have a quick look at how much most of the Stock Exchange Top 100 Boards have taken in dividends and bonuses so where companies are massively in profit most of the rewards for this are taken by those who by and large play very little part in the day to day running of the companies.
But then that's OK maybe I need to practise my tugging of my forelock in deference at my obvious superiors | | | |
| Posties…. on 18:49 - Aug 12 with 1878 views | toboboly |
I back any public service worker, no matter what the sector.
Regarding Posties, if you have ever dealt with Hermes you would break the bank to renationalise the postal service. |  |
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| Posties…. on 18:55 - Aug 12 with 1856 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 18:43 - Aug 12 by denhamhoop2 |
No far better to be held to ransom by shareholders and large corporations who are not adverse to tax avoidance(Not evasion of course) whereas most of us hoi polloi have all our contributions taken at source. Have a quick look at how much most of the Stock Exchange Top 100 Boards have taken in dividends and bonuses so where companies are massively in profit most of the rewards for this are taken by those who by and large play very little part in the day to day running of the companies.
But then that's OK maybe I need to practise my tugging of my forelock in deference at my obvious superiors |
Buy some stock then? I've been investing via eToro for a couple of years now. Anyone can do it. That's the beauty of capitalism. | |
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| Posties…. on 19:33 - Aug 12 with 1769 views | LazyFan |
| Posties…. on 17:26 - Aug 12 by SheffieldHoop |
I currently work for the NHS. I will never go on strike.
Do I support NHS workers going on strike? No. Perhaps I can make an exception for some Band 1/2, and at a stretch, possibly band 3 staff - those are the people who are truly working crazy hours and not getting much reward for it - but not all NHS staff. No way.
Frankly, anyone in Band 4 and above has no good reason to be on strike, in my opinion. I will have far more senior people than me in my NHS organisation who disagree with me and who will likely go on strike. Do I care about what they think? No. Will I join or support them? Definitely not. |
While I don't agree with you, I think that's a fair enough position for you to take. After all, I cannot advocate democracy and then try and cancel you. That to me would be what I would call bullying. And I will not stoop to the level of Blairites in New Labour.
It also possibly explains your other posts, which others may or may not agree with but I defend your right to post them as you have your own views which I may disagree with but have not been abusive from what I can see so, that's fair enough.
One thing though you say in this post is that "some" for Band 1/2 who you would make an exception for, do you think if they and just them (and your decide) and no one else went on strike from the NHS, they would get the justice and the strikes would stop or would they just get filled in by the many many others who did not go on strike until they broke (which would not be long in this inflation-busting world) and nothing changed?
What do you think would happen most likely in the real world if that was the situation (for this question please keep to your own exceptions not others)? | |
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| Posties…. on 20:03 - Aug 12 with 1703 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Posties…. on 19:33 - Aug 12 by LazyFan |
While I don't agree with you, I think that's a fair enough position for you to take. After all, I cannot advocate democracy and then try and cancel you. That to me would be what I would call bullying. And I will not stoop to the level of Blairites in New Labour.
It also possibly explains your other posts, which others may or may not agree with but I defend your right to post them as you have your own views which I may disagree with but have not been abusive from what I can see so, that's fair enough.
One thing though you say in this post is that "some" for Band 1/2 who you would make an exception for, do you think if they and just them (and your decide) and no one else went on strike from the NHS, they would get the justice and the strikes would stop or would they just get filled in by the many many others who did not go on strike until they broke (which would not be long in this inflation-busting world) and nothing changed?
What do you think would happen most likely in the real world if that was the situation (for this question please keep to your own exceptions not others)? |
The strikes would be covered by temporary staff, most likely supplied by an agency, which would just mean we're flushing yet more public money down the drain. FWIW Band 1/2s make up less than 10% of all staff. The majority of NHS staff are band 5. | |
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| Posties…. on 22:01 - Aug 12 with 1585 views | CamberleyR |
| Posties…. on 18:49 - Aug 12 by toboboly |
I back any public service worker, no matter what the sector.
Regarding Posties, if you have ever dealt with Hermes you would break the bank to renationalise the postal service. |
This, a million percent. |  |
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