| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? 13:02 - Feb 15 with 6211 views | Jules4367 |
Yes, I get that Critchley hasn't managed to get things in check but I can recall certain teachers at School would try to explain things to me and I just 'didn't get it!'! We have all been there in our lives.
I have jokingly (?) posted some fundamentals but, in all seriousness and after this ongoing appalling run, they do not (as a collective) seem to be doing anything different.
The attack is scared of shooting (but every game they practice and then failure to implement)
The passes go to the opponents or to no one.
Last night a clearance was heading for the centre circle in which stood a Sunderland player and no one challenged him and he was able to collect the ball whilst Rangers players actually stood and watched.
So today.... are they actually running through player by player....almost as a self help group.....Hello I'm a Rangers player and this is what I do wrong!
Does this happen or do they just think they are good and doing well?
I just don't know!
[Post edited 15 Feb 2023 13:06]
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:17 - Feb 16 with 1598 views | bosh67 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:21 - Feb 16 by Hayesender |
Most of them come across as a bunch of immature kids.
Bar Dunne, Paal, Field and Kakay, I wouldn't be sorry to see the back of any of the rest.
Yes I know Kakay isn't the best, but at least he trys, and that's all I'm asking for atm |
I would put Kakay into a back 3. A lot of people say he is more comfortable there. I thought he was one of the few on Tuesday night who came out with some credit and he has no lack of pace, which our CB area really needs. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:19 - Feb 16 with 1596 views | TheChef |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:50 - Feb 16 by slmrstid |
I've just had to look that season up on Wikipedia as I must admit I thought that Fulham match was January time under Francis. Clearly not!
This season at the minute is more reminding me of 97-98, where we had a decent first half of the season then utterly collapsed in the second half of it, random 5-0 win at home to Middlesbrough aside (hey we've got them this Saturday...)
That year we only just avoided it courtesy of Mr Pollock... |
Yeah that one or 98-99 - hoping that we don't need a win on the last day to ensure survival... |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:25 - Feb 16 with 1552 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Sadly it's the product of our failed recruitment strategy. We should be signing young, hungry players from the lower leagues or leagues like the Dutch league. We should not be signing on-loan Premiership squad players who think they're doing us a favour and do not give a flying f*ck whether we win or not. We should also not be signing crocks because it's a false economy - to me, Johansen has been a disastrous signing as once he signed permanently he's barely been fit or on form for any length of time - we should be signing his equivalent from League 1 or League 2, then developing him. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:30 - Feb 16 with 1560 views | CamberleyR |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:50 - Feb 16 by slmrstid |
I've just had to look that season up on Wikipedia as I must admit I thought that Fulham match was January time under Francis. Clearly not!
This season at the minute is more reminding me of 97-98, where we had a decent first half of the season then utterly collapsed in the second half of it, random 5-0 win at home to Middlesbrough aside (hey we've got them this Saturday...)
That year we only just avoided it courtesy of Mr Pollock... |
Sorry my mistake, you were correct, the home Fulham game where we lost Carlisle and Langley was on the 31st January. We did play Fulham in Holloway's third game but that was the return at Craven Cottage. So he doesn't really have any mitigation for how the season panned out...
For information we only picked up four points (all draws) in Holloway's first ten games. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 14:33]
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:45 - Feb 16 with 1519 views | dmm |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:17 - Feb 16 by bosh67 |
I would put Kakay into a back 3. A lot of people say he is more comfortable there. I thought he was one of the few on Tuesday night who came out with some credit and he has no lack of pace, which our CB area really needs. |
The trouble is Laird is out with a hamstring injury so Kakay will be needed at RB |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:06 - Feb 16 with 1483 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:08 - Feb 16 by E17hoop |
One of the questions I ask people in organisations who they work for. The answers are always varied and will include:
Themselves
The organisation
Their team
Their manager
Their employees
Their shareholders
Their profession
Their wages
Their customers
It's HIGHLY unlikely you'll ever find someone who works for all of these. The only one people all relate to is themselves and how they value themselves. Their guide/mentor/catalyst who engaged them and brought out the best of them has now gone. For them to trust the new guy, they need to re-evaluate themselves and their relationship with the manager and, it's quite clear, that hasn't happened.
Leaving when and how he did, Beale put a bomb under this team and what we're seeing now is the effects of this still. |
One of the very few sensible posts on this thread.
Confidence is rock bottom. The penalty save killed us Tuesday.
It isn't about effort or running around. The Opta stats will tell Critchley that. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:35 - Feb 16 with 1416 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:37 - Feb 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
We all know the ones who aren't trying. They won't be here next season, so I'd be reluctant to pull the trigger because of them. Not saying Critchley is the answer but I'm struggling to see what he can do with the mess he's inherited. We have players who have literally downed tools. |
On a pet peeve, they haven't '"literally" downed tools' - unless, say, they're actually plumbers or carpenters. Though some of them could hardly do worse at those trades than being footballers. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:36 - Feb 16 with 1439 views | Northernr |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:06 - Feb 16 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
One of the very few sensible posts on this thread.
Confidence is rock bottom. The penalty save killed us Tuesday.
It isn't about effort or running around. The Opta stats will tell Critchley that. |
Maybe that's where Critchley is going wrong then because Opta don't collect running/distance data for Championship games - Prem only. |  | | |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:57 - Feb 16 with 1369 views | MelakaRanger |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:12 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Whether they know or not, they do not care. |
And therein lies the problem. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:30 - Feb 16 with 1310 views | PinnerPaul |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:11 - Feb 16 by kropotkin41 |
Sadly, and probably wrongly, that's an argument for Critchley's immediate binning then. Player power or definite relegation. |
STILL 9th in the relegation betting, just put £5 on us at 25/1, seems a big price to me.
I assume lots of you will be following suit?  | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:32 - Feb 16 with 1297 views | PinnerPaul |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:11 - Feb 16 by QPR_Jim |
I thought your guests were going to be brandishing baseball bats for a moment, but I guess your way could work too.
In all seriousness, I don't know how they think this plays out for their careers. Does Laird think he's going back to Man U and getting a chance in the first team after this? Roberts reckon that there's going to be a long list of people queuing up for him? Do either of them think that a bigger club would put up with their attitude. They're all obviously so much better than QPR (in their minds) but currently playing like League 1 players so what exactly do they expect their next career move to be? |
Good point Jim - I thought that about Laird on Tuesday. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:37 - Feb 16 with 1281 views | Northernr |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:32 - Feb 16 by PinnerPaul |
Good point Jim - I thought that about Laird on Tuesday. |
Career loanees. Easy, lucrative work.
He'll go back to Man Utd, he'll ponse about Mykonos all of June, come back in July and have his pick of half the Championship clubs to take him on loan again next season.
He'll get to 28, he'll have been on loan at a dozen different clubs, he'll have achieved nothing, and he'll be a multi, multi-millionaire who never needs to work again. The money these boys are on at places like Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City is absolutely unreal. Jobbing reserve players on £40k a week +. Cameron Carter Vickers, eight loan deals, zero appearances for Spurs.
Game is littered with them now. Todd Kane, eight loan deals before he got to us. Jake Clarke-Salter six. This is already Laird's fourth, and he's only 21. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:46 - Feb 16 with 1246 views | PinnerPaul |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:25 - Feb 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Sadly it's the product of our failed recruitment strategy. We should be signing young, hungry players from the lower leagues or leagues like the Dutch league. We should not be signing on-loan Premiership squad players who think they're doing us a favour and do not give a flying f*ck whether we win or not. We should also not be signing crocks because it's a false economy - to me, Johansen has been a disastrous signing as once he signed permanently he's barely been fit or on form for any length of time - we should be signing his equivalent from League 1 or League 2, then developing him. |
If SJ has been "disastrous" I'd hate to know what you think the 7 or 8 recent worse ones than him have been!  | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:50 - Feb 16 with 1235 views | PinnerPaul |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:37 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Career loanees. Easy, lucrative work.
He'll go back to Man Utd, he'll ponse about Mykonos all of June, come back in July and have his pick of half the Championship clubs to take him on loan again next season.
He'll get to 28, he'll have been on loan at a dozen different clubs, he'll have achieved nothing, and he'll be a multi, multi-millionaire who never needs to work again. The money these boys are on at places like Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City is absolutely unreal. Jobbing reserve players on £40k a week +. Cameron Carter Vickers, eight loan deals, zero appearances for Spurs.
Game is littered with them now. Todd Kane, eight loan deals before he got to us. Jake Clarke-Salter six. This is already Laird's fourth, and he's only 21. |
Good point.
Which is why I've always been impressed with Field and Dunne who could easily have carried on down that path but, stupidly  decided to go for a perm deal with us.
The system does work for some - Kyle Walker - but then he was an exceptional talent who prob would be where he is now - loan or no loan. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 17:50 - Feb 16 with 1197 views | QPR_Jim |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:37 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Career loanees. Easy, lucrative work.
He'll go back to Man Utd, he'll ponse about Mykonos all of June, come back in July and have his pick of half the Championship clubs to take him on loan again next season.
He'll get to 28, he'll have been on loan at a dozen different clubs, he'll have achieved nothing, and he'll be a multi, multi-millionaire who never needs to work again. The money these boys are on at places like Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City is absolutely unreal. Jobbing reserve players on £40k a week +. Cameron Carter Vickers, eight loan deals, zero appearances for Spurs.
Game is littered with them now. Todd Kane, eight loan deals before he got to us. Jake Clarke-Salter six. This is already Laird's fourth, and he's only 21. |
I always thought that the motivation was winning stuff and playing in big games. They'll be millionaires whether they go out on loan or sign for a championship club, might get slightly less but you'll still be set for life either way.
Maybe they go down the loan route when they realise that they're not willing to put in the effort to get to the next level. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 18:18 - Feb 16 with 1165 views | Damo1962 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 16:30 - Feb 16 by PinnerPaul |
STILL 9th in the relegation betting, just put £5 on us at 25/1, seems a big price to me.
I assume lots of you will be following suit? |
Tempting...very tempting. I'd feel dirty though🤫Unlike a lot of the players...I have some integrity 😇 | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 18:57 - Feb 16 with 1133 views | Jules4367 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:47 - Feb 16 by terryb |
The relegation in 2001 was during the 20 years that I only saw Rangers a couple of times a year, so I can't make comparisons. However, I remember reading that the side that season lacked fight & spirit, with Crouch being laughed at for caring that we were relegated.
Can any of you that were regulars then, please let me know if this season looks the same, worse, or better?
Not that this should affect any decision on keeping Critchley, changing manager made no difference to being relegated, but did we improve after Holloway replaced Francis? |
I remember and it was similarly pathetic and what only got us back into the championship was the bringing in of a manager and players who once played for or supported QPR and were proud to play their hearts out for the club!
Can't see where would get them again if we drop! | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 19:34 - Feb 16 with 1112 views | davman |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:38 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
When Critchley gets binned, and I do think that's when now, you watch what happens. First game after he's gone suddenly they'll be running about again. |
Still lose though, won't they? We do not get the new manager bounce.
It's the caretaker that worries me - "nice" guys - Hall, Ramsey, Furlong, Impey - none of them strike me as being inspirational types who will stick the necessary rocket up this lot's arses... |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 19:39 - Feb 16 with 1103 views | RuislipHoop |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:37 - Feb 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
We all know the ones who aren't trying. They won't be here next season, so I'd be reluctant to pull the trigger because of them. Not saying Critchley is the answer but I'm struggling to see what he can do with the mess he's inherited. We have players who have literally downed tools. |
Totally agree,he made comments when he first came in about being told about the issues at the club,
He now knows wot he’s got,not a lot . | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 19:52 - Feb 16 with 1083 views | UPPERLOFTNZ |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:12 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Whether they know or not, they do not care. |
Yup. And I fear Critcho is a great "coach" but not a great "manager". I can't see someone of his personality kicking their asses into gear, unlike Olly, Warnock etc. But we got what we got. Just have to hope the bottom 4 all play worse than us and try for a rebuild 9again) in the summer. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 19:57 - Feb 16 with 1077 views | jtuck |
One of the most important parts of a manager's job is to motivate the players. And you can bloviate and moan all you want about football these days, citing the endless line of entitled loanees, the refusal to try, the certain fact the players will miraculously recover and play for someone else...you can do all that and it will still remain that Critchley has failed and is failing to motivate the players. He doesn't motivate us, does he? Players no different, even if professional standards of pride should apply. | |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 20:07 - Feb 16 with 1043 views | E17hoop |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 19:57 - Feb 16 by jtuck |
One of the most important parts of a manager's job is to motivate the players. And you can bloviate and moan all you want about football these days, citing the endless line of entitled loanees, the refusal to try, the certain fact the players will miraculously recover and play for someone else...you can do all that and it will still remain that Critchley has failed and is failing to motivate the players. He doesn't motivate us, does he? Players no different, even if professional standards of pride should apply. |
And that's the problem, although the manager is meant to be in charge, the amount of money invested in the squad means it's easier to change the manager than the players.. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:57 - Feb 17 with 857 views | PinnerPaul |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 18:18 - Feb 16 by Damo1962 |
Tempting...very tempting. I'd feel dirty though🤫Unlike a lot of the players...I have some integrity 😇 |
Clive very neatly described it as "Emotional Insurance" | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:37 - Feb 17 with 806 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:36 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Maybe that's where Critchley is going wrong then because Opta don't collect running/distance data for Championship games - Prem only. |
But he will have running distance and sprint data from whatever source. They all have it. So managers know exactly how much physical effort is going into each players match and how that compares with previous matches. Fans don't know and likely come to all the wrong conclusions. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 15:45 - Feb 17 with 794 views | loftus77 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:19 - Feb 16 by TheChef |
Yeah that one or 98-99 - hoping that we don't need a win on the last day to ensure survival... |
Easy...bring loads of balloons and bung Brizzle a big brown envelope... | | | |
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