| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news 20:04 - Feb 23 with 12475 views | Northernr |
There's a story in the Mail* tomorrow about the EFL's next TV deal which goes on the block shortly.
*As it's the Mail, they'll have picked out the most extreme scenarios and extrapolated them out into the most outlandish possibilities under their editorial policy of every story should make the reader afraid, angry, or preferably both, but still...
The good news is that new players in the market such as Viaplay and DAZN, as well as BT becoming part of the wealthy Warner Bros Discovery group, means there is competition for the EFL rights this time, which will drive up the price, as opposed to last time where Shaun Harvey took it upon himself to just hand the whole thing over to Sky for five years. They reckon the fee will go past £200m this time, doubling our TV revenues.
However, some of the things we're going to trade for that...
All the fixtures across the three divisions have been divided into 20 packages. In short, every single EFL game will be available to buy.
They will attempt to override ban on televising 3pm Saturday games, however the Premier League is likely to object to this. The EFL can force an override because the ban only applies when 50%+ of the Football League games are taking place at 3pm on a Saturday, so if the EFL moves 60% of its fixtures to, say, Sunday, the ban would then not apply anyway. Every weekend would basically look like the FA Cup Third Round, with the whole programme cut up in groups of half a dozen fixtures into a dozen kick off times across Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon.
They could well sell these 20 packages across multiple broadcasters, so you may need a Sky, BT, Viaplay, DAZN subscription to watch QPR games.
In short, you think we get a lot of fixtures pissed about with now, just wait...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sp
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 16:12 - Feb 24 with 2607 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
The increase in revenue could be great news, but I assume the salary arms race will continue unabated so it will mostly end up in the pockets of players and agents.
Let’s hope the football legislation changes go ahead before then so at least some semblance of a roadblock is in place. |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 19:01 - Feb 24 with 2473 views | stevec |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 16:12 - Feb 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The increase in revenue could be great news, but I assume the salary arms race will continue unabated so it will mostly end up in the pockets of players and agents.
Let’s hope the football legislation changes go ahead before then so at least some semblance of a roadblock is in place. |
Indeed.
The thing that may stop the salary arms race is that even with an extra £5 million, clubs like ours are still going to be losing money. No guarantee though, I agree.
Much as I dislike the idea of the wage bill being set to a percentage of income, it’ll make it even harder to compete against clubs with bigger grounds, it may be the only way to keep costs under control. |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 08:37 - Feb 25 with 2360 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 16:12 - Feb 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The increase in revenue could be great news, but I assume the salary arms race will continue unabated so it will mostly end up in the pockets of players and agents.
Let’s hope the football legislation changes go ahead before then so at least some semblance of a roadblock is in place. |
"The increase in revenue could be great news, but I assume the salary arms race will continue unabated so it will mostly end up in the pockets of players and agents."
This 100%.
So why not abandon all tv deals and just make the EFL an 'attendance only' spectator sport (much like it used to be in the 80s)? Yes there'll be less money for the clubs, but seeing as the money only goes to the players anyway then the clubs are no better or worse off (but football as an 'in person' spectator sport is the winner)? |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:19 - Feb 25 with 2295 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 19:01 - Feb 24 by stevec |
Indeed.
The thing that may stop the salary arms race is that even with an extra £5 million, clubs like ours are still going to be losing money. No guarantee though, I agree.
Much as I dislike the idea of the wage bill being set to a percentage of income, it’ll make it even harder to compete against clubs with bigger grounds, it may be the only way to keep costs under control. |
I’m glad you’ve moved on from your salary cap idea though. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 07:49 - Feb 26 with 2153 views | TGRRRSSS |
Spreading it around simply means more subscription and therefore more cost.
I am unsure that overall the desire to spend vast sums by the average Joe to watch QPR v Sunderland is going to be the same as it is for Amazon Prime to get the Manchester Derby.
AS much as the EFL can be exciting in some ways there's a lot of average football that simply won't sell.
Watching Fake Hoops against Blackpool in a 40% full stadium???... |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 13:03 - Feb 27 with 2018 views | LazyFan |
QPR+ will be reduced to what they call "Dark Markets".
Countries like Tonga, where there is, of course millions of well known QPR fans!
As an example list here was the list for the Blackburn game: 
This will mean the death of QPR+ as after a while they will realise there is no point. |  |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:08 - Mar 30 with 1819 views | Toast_R |
Sounds like DAZN are moving in on this
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport
How does everyone feel about binning off the 3pm blackouts? Is it an out of date bit of legislation that no longer serves its purpose or is it still important for lower league teams in order to get bums on seats at grounds? |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:17 - Mar 30 with 1759 views | TGRRRSSS |
This has the feel of ITV thing from the early noughties.
EFL need to remember history. | | | |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:20 - Mar 30 with 1748 views | BAWHoops |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:08 - Mar 30 by Toast_R |
Sounds like DAZN are moving in on this
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport
How does everyone feel about binning off the 3pm blackouts? Is it an out of date bit of legislation that no longer serves its purpose or is it still important for lower league teams in order to get bums on seats at grounds? |
The Accrington Stanley chairman put it pretty bluntly when he said they'd like fans in the stadium, but would rather the £3m extra per season on their balance sheet.
I've long been convinced you could do something really really special with EFL rights. There is SO much content, so much football, so many highlights.
You could produce tons of magazine shows, social media clips, streams etc. But you have to genuinely believe in the brand and not just whack up streams of the matches and nothing else.
There's also some absolutely massive clubs in the EFL and if you're giving fans of clubs like Sheff Weds, Sunderland (and next season maybe West Ham/Leeds) the chance to watch every single game then you'll make a fortune in subscription. |  |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:24 - Mar 30 with 1739 views | TheChef |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:20 - Mar 30 by BAWHoops |
The Accrington Stanley chairman put it pretty bluntly when he said they'd like fans in the stadium, but would rather the £3m extra per season on their balance sheet.
I've long been convinced you could do something really really special with EFL rights. There is SO much content, so much football, so many highlights.
You could produce tons of magazine shows, social media clips, streams etc. But you have to genuinely believe in the brand and not just whack up streams of the matches and nothing else.
There's also some absolutely massive clubs in the EFL and if you're giving fans of clubs like Sheff Weds, Sunderland (and next season maybe West Ham/Leeds) the chance to watch every single game then you'll make a fortune in subscription. |
Of course during the pandemic Sky and the rest gave the whole blah about "oh but football without fans is nothing" - and then once things got back to normal they carried on dicking around with kick off times and treating fans like shit.
I do wonder how much a TV subscription would affect fans in the grounds; are we already at the core stadium fanbase for most EFL clubs? |  |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:35 - Mar 30 with 1696 views | toboboly |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:20 - Mar 30 by BAWHoops |
The Accrington Stanley chairman put it pretty bluntly when he said they'd like fans in the stadium, but would rather the £3m extra per season on their balance sheet.
I've long been convinced you could do something really really special with EFL rights. There is SO much content, so much football, so many highlights.
You could produce tons of magazine shows, social media clips, streams etc. But you have to genuinely believe in the brand and not just whack up streams of the matches and nothing else.
There's also some absolutely massive clubs in the EFL and if you're giving fans of clubs like Sheff Weds, Sunderland (and next season maybe West Ham/Leeds) the chance to watch every single game then you'll make a fortune in subscription. |
Importantly the Accrington chairman pointed out that the current way of giving streaming money to the fans club would see them bankrupt. Ie: Derby County have a large fanbase, if it is being streamed and only Derby get the money why would Accrington bother streaming it?
The football league are too incompetent to get this right and if they get it wrong and allow the big clubs to retain the money for away streaming it will severely hit smaller clubs and lead to clubs folding.
Re: the 3pm blackout mentioned above in a separate post if it goes then it is likely that you will see attendances at non-league and lower local teams hit as people don't wander off for a football fix when their main team is away from home. |  |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:44 - Mar 30 with 1666 views | Northernr |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:17 - Mar 30 by TGRRRSSS |
This has the feel of ITV thing from the early noughties.
EFL need to remember history. |
Yeh it does feel a little bit like another company over estimating the appeal and therefore the value of the EFL rights. The difference now, however, is the subs and streaming model really benefits really engaged, niche audiences like ours. It's why so much cash has been ploughed into golf, for example. And Dazn are minted, unlike ITV.
On the 3pm blackout, I think we're now at the stage where if it doesn't get binned then a company like DAZN are just going to move every game. Right, if we can't televise 3pm Saturday, we'll just shift the whole weekend's fixtures to Sundays, changing football in this country forever for the worse.
Suspect from 2025 onwards the EFL weekend will look like FA Cup Third Round weekend. Your 36 fixtures will divide up something like
1x 8pm Thursday
1x 6pm Friday
1x 8pm Friday
6x noon Saturday
6x 3pm Saturday
3x 5pm Saturday
4x7pm Saturday
4x noon Sunday
4x 2pm Sunday
4x 4pm Sunday
1 x6pm Sunday
1x 8pm Monday.
Every week. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:50 - Mar 30 with 1643 views | slmrstid |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:44 - Mar 30 by Northernr |
Yeh it does feel a little bit like another company over estimating the appeal and therefore the value of the EFL rights. The difference now, however, is the subs and streaming model really benefits really engaged, niche audiences like ours. It's why so much cash has been ploughed into golf, for example. And Dazn are minted, unlike ITV.
On the 3pm blackout, I think we're now at the stage where if it doesn't get binned then a company like DAZN are just going to move every game. Right, if we can't televise 3pm Saturday, we'll just shift the whole weekend's fixtures to Sundays, changing football in this country forever for the worse.
Suspect from 2025 onwards the EFL weekend will look like FA Cup Third Round weekend. Your 36 fixtures will divide up something like
1x 8pm Thursday
1x 6pm Friday
1x 8pm Friday
6x noon Saturday
6x 3pm Saturday
3x 5pm Saturday
4x7pm Saturday
4x noon Sunday
4x 2pm Sunday
4x 4pm Sunday
1 x6pm Sunday
1x 8pm Monday.
Every week. |
Obviously lots of ifs, buts and maybes in that post of yours Clive, but I think that sort of schedule would be the straw that breaks the camels back as far as my season ticket attending went.
Travelling from Leicester I could not deal with that sort of varied schedule for home games. Sure I wouldn't be the only person like that either. |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:06 - Mar 30 with 1621 views | terryb |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 09:08 - Mar 30 by Toast_R |
Sounds like DAZN are moving in on this
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport
How does everyone feel about binning off the 3pm blackouts? Is it an out of date bit of legislation that no longer serves its purpose or is it still important for lower league teams in order to get bums on seats at grounds? |
I don't think that binning the Saturday 3.00pm kick offs will make much difference to attendances at non-league (or EFL). Especially as the most watched televised teams will not be playing at that time (maybe one of them will be if it can be shown live).
Supporters who attend games are loyal to their clubs & will put them above sitting on the sofa watching teams they don't care about. Conversely, those addicted to watching on television won't think of going to matches.
Of course, if Manchester United are being shown at 3.00pm on a Saturday, their fans might prefer to stay at home, but they will be watching a local game the next week when Arsenal are playing. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:18 - Mar 30 with 1587 views | TheChef |
The other issue is unless I missed something, the overall quality of EFL football is er, fairly rubbish. | |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:25 - Mar 30 with 1569 views | Northernr |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:06 - Mar 30 by terryb |
I don't think that binning the Saturday 3.00pm kick offs will make much difference to attendances at non-league (or EFL). Especially as the most watched televised teams will not be playing at that time (maybe one of them will be if it can be shown live).
Supporters who attend games are loyal to their clubs & will put them above sitting on the sofa watching teams they don't care about. Conversely, those addicted to watching on television won't think of going to matches.
Of course, if Manchester United are being shown at 3.00pm on a Saturday, their fans might prefer to stay at home, but they will be watching a local game the next week when Arsenal are playing. |
Couple of mates and I were chatting about this yesterday - has there ever been an actual study or survey done, at any level, of exactly how many people would stay home if there was a TV game at 3pm?
When I was younger we'd go to Scunny or Grimsby on the Saturdays I couldn't get to QPR and it was really noticeable the number of people there in Man UTd or Liverpool gear, and big reactions to their scores when the half time scores were read out.
Back then I thought if you had Man Utd on TV at 3pm there'd be no fcker there at all. But TV football at that point was basically Saturday lunchtime, one or two on Sunday and Monday night. Now it's just blanket, and you can stream the 3pm games anyway, so I'm less sure.
I'd be interested to know if you surveyed the whole crowd at somewhere like Accrington - would you still be here today if Man Utd were on TV - what the answer would actually be. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:42 - Mar 30 with 1515 views | terryb |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:25 - Mar 30 by Northernr |
Couple of mates and I were chatting about this yesterday - has there ever been an actual study or survey done, at any level, of exactly how many people would stay home if there was a TV game at 3pm?
When I was younger we'd go to Scunny or Grimsby on the Saturdays I couldn't get to QPR and it was really noticeable the number of people there in Man UTd or Liverpool gear, and big reactions to their scores when the half time scores were read out.
Back then I thought if you had Man Utd on TV at 3pm there'd be no fcker there at all. But TV football at that point was basically Saturday lunchtime, one or two on Sunday and Monday night. Now it's just blanket, and you can stream the 3pm games anyway, so I'm less sure.
I'd be interested to know if you surveyed the whole crowd at somewhere like Accrington - would you still be here today if Man Utd were on TV - what the answer would actually be. |
Interesting question Clive. The closest I can get to a guess is that I won't play Bridge (online or at a club) if Queens Park Rangers are playing (televised or not), but I will play rather than watch other clubs with a few exceptions. World Cup, Champions League Final etc.
I suspect this would apply to lots of football supporters & a very good point that you can already stream the game at 3.00pm if you wanted. You could also find a site to watch the 90 minutes afterwards as well. That would take care of those that only want to watch when their team wins! | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:43 - Mar 30 with 1513 views | stevec |
In case we hadn’t noticed, the shitter we are the more people show up!
We’ve been working on a basis of 12-13,000 hard core home supporters for many years now, I can’t see anything changing that, certainly nothing to trouble the club if it’s getting an extra £5-6 million a season in TV rights.
Also, maybe I’m imagining it, but it feels like a lot more youngsters are buying into attending matches particularly at our level and below, and all power to that if I’m right.
In the end, I think we’ve got to look at it from a what’s best for the club perspective. I love Saturdays 3pm, but it doesn’t pay the £2m a month shortfall and that has to be the focus. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:06 - Mar 30 with 1462 views | Sonofpugwash |
Oh god not another bleedin' subscription to fork out.
DAZN puportedly one of Europe's "biggest" sports channels but will inevitably another one of those fly - by- night organisations that exist on the crumbs that fall from the rich man's table.And they don't get much crumbier than the EFL - or indeed Anthony Joshua whose bout against Jermaine Franklin has been shunted on to there.
Nope,not biting this time.I need the money for essentials like glockenspiels and brass spittoons. |  |
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:14 - Mar 30 with 1448 views | joe90 |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:25 - Mar 30 by Northernr |
Couple of mates and I were chatting about this yesterday - has there ever been an actual study or survey done, at any level, of exactly how many people would stay home if there was a TV game at 3pm?
When I was younger we'd go to Scunny or Grimsby on the Saturdays I couldn't get to QPR and it was really noticeable the number of people there in Man UTd or Liverpool gear, and big reactions to their scores when the half time scores were read out.
Back then I thought if you had Man Utd on TV at 3pm there'd be no fcker there at all. But TV football at that point was basically Saturday lunchtime, one or two on Sunday and Monday night. Now it's just blanket, and you can stream the 3pm games anyway, so I'm less sure.
I'd be interested to know if you surveyed the whole crowd at somewhere like Accrington - would you still be here today if Man Utd were on TV - what the answer would actually be. |
I think football fans would always choose watching their team live in the ground over on the TV. That said, I'm not sure how many would choose to watch a local team over watching their team play live on the telly, especially if it was being shown in a local pub.
I think the thing to consider now is that the 3pm blackout is now also about having continuous football, not just about stopping people attending games. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 11:26]
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:21 - Mar 30 with 1421 views | Northernr |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:14 - Mar 30 by joe90 |
I think football fans would always choose watching their team live in the ground over on the TV. That said, I'm not sure how many would choose to watch a local team over watching their team play live on the telly, especially if it was being shown in a local pub.
I think the thing to consider now is that the 3pm blackout is now also about having continuous football, not just about stopping people attending games. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 11:26]
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Again, I think that was the case once, but isn't any more. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:26 - Mar 30 with 1413 views | robith |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:06 - Mar 30 by Sonofpugwash |
Oh god not another bleedin' subscription to fork out.
DAZN puportedly one of Europe's "biggest" sports channels but will inevitably another one of those fly - by- night organisations that exist on the crumbs that fall from the rich man's table.And they don't get much crumbier than the EFL - or indeed Anthony Joshua whose bout against Jermaine Franklin has been shunted on to there.
Nope,not biting this time.I need the money for essentials like glockenspiels and brass spittoons. |
DAZN have been building for years, with an annual turnover of £1.3bn.
The rent seeking behaviour of subscription services is very annoying, but to call DAZN "fly by night" is erroneous |  | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:29 - Mar 30 with 1395 views | Toast_R |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 10:25 - Mar 30 by Northernr |
Couple of mates and I were chatting about this yesterday - has there ever been an actual study or survey done, at any level, of exactly how many people would stay home if there was a TV game at 3pm?
When I was younger we'd go to Scunny or Grimsby on the Saturdays I couldn't get to QPR and it was really noticeable the number of people there in Man UTd or Liverpool gear, and big reactions to their scores when the half time scores were read out.
Back then I thought if you had Man Utd on TV at 3pm there'd be no fcker there at all. But TV football at that point was basically Saturday lunchtime, one or two on Sunday and Monday night. Now it's just blanket, and you can stream the 3pm games anyway, so I'm less sure.
I'd be interested to know if you surveyed the whole crowd at somewhere like Accrington - would you still be here today if Man Utd were on TV - what the answer would actually be. |
More at non league level I think it would have an effect. You'd get a scenario where they'd be more people in the club bar watching a match than outside actually watching the match. Guaranteed!
Nice warm bar watching football on TV with a beer or outside in the freezing cold watching boot bollock football on a terrible pitch with a watery cup of tea?
That's basically my experience of following Molesey FC. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 11:33]
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| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:31 - Mar 30 with 1384 views | Northernr |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:26 - Mar 30 by robith |
DAZN have been building for years, with an annual turnover of £1.3bn.
The rent seeking behaviour of subscription services is very annoying, but to call DAZN "fly by night" is erroneous |
Yeh they've got serious Middle East wedge behind them. | | | |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 13:21 - Mar 30 with 1220 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Next EFL TV deal - some good news, some alarming news on 11:26 - Mar 30 by robith |
DAZN have been building for years, with an annual turnover of £1.3bn.
The rent seeking behaviour of subscription services is very annoying, but to call DAZN "fly by night" is erroneous |
There interest in football could end up being so however.
I mean the success of football in this country is a huge success considering other countries across Europe who simply don't' seem to have anything like the same Core followings of so many lubs.
That said I see DAZN wondering off pretty quickly if after 6 months they finds League 1 and 2 clubs are not getting much bang for their buck?
How many here tune into the League 1 and 2 games when they are n Sky I wonder?
People talk of Leeds, West Ham etc - maybe but that will be till they get into PL again.
Also with cost of living issues right now it might be the thing that finally breaks for many. | | | |
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