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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:25 - Apr 28 by qprd
dont think a stadium moves the needle
lets assume away, for arguments sake, all the difficulties QPR has had in trying to build a new stadium in the last 10 years- planning permission, finding a site, dealing with local council, etc etc. lets also assume for a second that borrowing rates havent gone up astronomically and inflation hasnt significantly increased building costs, making these types of projects much more unattractive....
lets also assume that QPR built this stadium and it 10,000 more seats, and that each of those seats were filled (b/c QPR suddenly was able to expand its fan base even though its not sold out its current stadium in the last 20 years, or b/c long balls to chris martin become fashionable) and we sold them for £35/ticket
10,000 x 35 x 23 games = £8m (i'm assuming thats all profit and there are no additional costs to a bigger stadium and higher attendances, which of course we know is not true)
that £8m barely puts a dent into the £24m we lost last year.
using my numbers, 1 eze sale is equal to selling 570,000 additional tickets
the only way the club will realistically approach sustainability is by cutting costs (we're still paying transfer fees for players like dozzell, bonne, etc) or developing/selling players...
boro sold two players for over £10m this year.... the model for this still exists
Yep the model exists to still sell, and I said that in the post as well.
Also, you missed the other big factor of a new stadium and that is non-football events. This can also generate millions as well. Especially during those dead summer months.
Rock concert, anyone? Conference Centre rooms (as big stadiums have these bigger than hotels), corp training venues (I used to use these and they are mega expensive) and plenty of other options.
In addition, better facilities for selling food. At a recent game I went to, they ran out of Hot Dogs. All they had was Crisps and Snacks (chocs). That's fecking dreck and a missed opportunity sale (as the queues were large, of course).
I suspect we could get £15m from a new stadium per year. Then with reduced costs getting the bill down to £20m, that's only a £5m loss compared to the £20m loss it is now. At that point, we would not have to sell an Eze every few years and could hold the cards on players a lot more Brentford style.
But let's put it another way.
Hoo's says that they cannot get fans to stay (and they are trying everything) as the ground is essentially terrible to watch football in. He admits this in the interview. If this carries on, then the crowds will be less and less. Therefore we need a new stadium.
It's time, if it does not happen, L1 beckons while watching Orient, Charlton, etc, surpass us as well. Then it's death. Build or die.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:40 - Apr 28 with 1788 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 15:06 - Apr 28 by MelakaRanger
An interesting interview
It's not that interesting. I still don't think he's made a clear case as to why we need to leave rather than redevelop LR (other than doing his best to run it down as best he can), his Cat 1/Cat 2 rhetoric is questionable at best, and most of the other stuff, bar Richards, he just evades or says it's not his job. Same old, same old, from a man who openly laughs in fans' faces about his own part in the lack of atmosphere at HQ, can't (won't) fix basic running repairs at the ground, tells us he's not part of footballing decisions at the club then makes sure his name is plastered over our litany of failed managerial appointments etc.. etc. etc.and sticks a finger up to a fan in the street while on camera who's basically just a bit of a loudmouth. Only at QPR!
For me the major takeout is that Hoos himself tells us he's not the best man for the job by some measure. Hoepfully, the Board will draw its own conclusions.
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:25 - Apr 28 by qprd
dont think a stadium moves the needle
lets assume away, for arguments sake, all the difficulties QPR has had in trying to build a new stadium in the last 10 years- planning permission, finding a site, dealing with local council, etc etc. lets also assume for a second that borrowing rates havent gone up astronomically and inflation hasnt significantly increased building costs, making these types of projects much more unattractive....
lets also assume that QPR built this stadium and it 10,000 more seats, and that each of those seats were filled (b/c QPR suddenly was able to expand its fan base even though its not sold out its current stadium in the last 20 years, or b/c long balls to chris martin become fashionable) and we sold them for £35/ticket
10,000 x 35 x 23 games = £8m (i'm assuming thats all profit and there are no additional costs to a bigger stadium and higher attendances, which of course we know is not true)
that £8m barely puts a dent into the £24m we lost last year.
using my numbers, 1 eze sale is equal to selling 570,000 additional tickets
the only way the club will realistically approach sustainability is by cutting costs (we're still paying transfer fees for players like dozzell, bonne, etc) or developing/selling players...
boro sold two players for over £10m this year.... the model for this still exists
The point of a new stadium is all the additional revenue from other activities and events on the other 342/3 days a year that it isn't being used to play football. How many concerts, games of American football, rugby, boxing bouts etc would you need to use a new stadium for in order to break even?
The stadium we have is barely fit for the main purpose, let alone anything else.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 18:35 - Apr 28 with 1678 views
I am very involved in youth football - in the East Midlands rather than London, admittedly, but a lot of the principles remain the same.
I won't pretend to know all the financial implications to the club of Cat 1 v Cat 2, but what I do know a fair bit about is the psychology of parents whose kid is being looked at by academies; and how clubs go about their scouting & assessing at u6-13.
The "we're bigger and shinier than that lot down the road" argument is only an issue for that small number of kids who are such hot property that 3 or more academies are after them. Even then a lot of parents still have to factor in the cost & logistics of getting to that academy several times a week.
While clubs consider loads of young players, when it comes to offers time, most kids only get one - and most parents accept it on their behalf.
I seem to remember that LR may just be in a place of huge redevelopment the next few years, including shopping, apartments etc.
If so, let the council have LR, as a direct swap for LC stadium and grounds (throw in some sports facilities, a pool etc, and be nice to the boys and girls of the council and Bob may very well be your uncle.
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:59 - Apr 28 by WatfordR
The point of a new stadium is all the additional revenue from other activities and events on the other 342/3 days a year that it isn't being used to play football. How many concerts, games of American football, rugby, boxing bouts etc would you need to use a new stadium for in order to break even?
The stadium we have is barely fit for the main purpose, let alone anything else.
While that income would be good for the owners I doubt that it will count towards FFP as it’s non footballing activities- otherwise, every ffp breaching Club would just Chuck random businesses underneath the umbrella of the football club- I’m not an expert in how ffp works but I have to assume this income doesn’t count otherwise you’d see clubs like derby opening up supermarkets and pubs in the stadium to offset their ffp losses
That aside, how many state of the art grounds already exist in west London (Brentford, chelsea, Fulham, twickenham, Wembley, etc) let alone broader London. As far as I’m aware, the only other events Brentford throws in their new stadium is the odd rugby match…
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 19:49 - Apr 28 with 1513 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:30 - Apr 28 by LazyFan
Hoos is involved with player contract renewals and selling, as they are considered assets. He is involved in the transfers and contracts for sure. He says so in the interview.
Therefore both have to be accountable for that side of the Business as its one of the most critical parts of running a professional football club.
I understand they cannot get Eze deals every year, but we need to be at least evens on the money, even if the players let us down. Tricky situation, but that's the game we are in, and that's the money they are being paid for.
I like Hoos, as he knows to protect the stadium, but we still need those transfers. Les and Hoos have said this themselves.
Yes, hoos background is as a lawyer. The role of the lawyer is to memorialise the commercial agreement that’s agreed between commercial principals (ie Les on qprs side and the agent on the footballers side or the les equivalent at the other club)…. If lee hoos is opining on the wages or the transfer fees of the players, I would be very very shocked as this is fundamentally driven by football considerations
And at the end of the day, the reason we couldn’t get anyone to pay a wage for bonne is bc we spent a few million on a lemon…. In other words, our recruitment team identified and overpaid for a total dud wand then his team failed to develop that player for a profit…. In no part of that chain is hoos involved other than reflecting the commercially agreed terms in a contract
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 16:28 - Apr 28 by BAWHoops
I think people have been angry with him because our latest accounts show a big black hole in the loss column.
He was bought in to reduce costs and make us sustainable.
He simply hasn't done that.
The rubbish about not wanting to sell last summer doesn't wash for me I'm afraid. We should be looking to sell every single summer until we are in a nice sparkly money spinning ground because unless we do that we are screwed.
He and Les should've been screaming at Beale/The Owners/whoever that under no circumstances should we keeping the band together when we (really) didn't get close to the play offs. Chair, Willock, Dieng, Dickie even Dunne could ALL have fetched a good fee last summer. Now we will have to sell more of them as their stock has fallen and we are desperate.
Sorry to harp on about Brentford but they sold Hogan, then Maupay, then Watkins and Benhrama and every single time got better for it. Now they have the best striker outside the Big 6.
We should know every single summer who is going
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 20:44 - Apr 28 with 1422 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:40 - Apr 28 by stainrods_elbow
It's not that interesting. I still don't think he's made a clear case as to why we need to leave rather than redevelop LR (other than doing his best to run it down as best he can), his Cat 1/Cat 2 rhetoric is questionable at best, and most of the other stuff, bar Richards, he just evades or says it's not his job. Same old, same old, from a man who openly laughs in fans' faces about his own part in the lack of atmosphere at HQ, can't (won't) fix basic running repairs at the ground, tells us he's not part of footballing decisions at the club then makes sure his name is plastered over our litany of failed managerial appointments etc.. etc. etc.and sticks a finger up to a fan in the street while on camera who's basically just a bit of a loudmouth. Only at QPR!
For me the major takeout is that Hoos himself tells us he's not the best man for the job by some measure. Hoepfully, the Board will draw its own conclusions.
[Post edited 28 Apr 2023 17:45]
There he is!
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 20:45 - Apr 28 with 1415 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:59 - Apr 28 by WatfordR
The point of a new stadium is all the additional revenue from other activities and events on the other 342/3 days a year that it isn't being used to play football. How many concerts, games of American football, rugby, boxing bouts etc would you need to use a new stadium for in order to break even?
The stadium we have is barely fit for the main purpose, let alone anything else.
Its about conference, wedding and incentive facilities the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and many others rent out rooms, experiences etc some have hotels built in there as well. That then also generates catering revenues etc
The only option I see on the current site is to take over the surrounding land / road on South Africa road I think that is pretty unlikely
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 21:07 - Apr 28 with 1362 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 16:28 - Apr 28 by BAWHoops
I think people have been angry with him because our latest accounts show a big black hole in the loss column.
He was bought in to reduce costs and make us sustainable.
He simply hasn't done that.
The rubbish about not wanting to sell last summer doesn't wash for me I'm afraid. We should be looking to sell every single summer until we are in a nice sparkly money spinning ground because unless we do that we are screwed.
He and Les should've been screaming at Beale/The Owners/whoever that under no circumstances should we keeping the band together when we (really) didn't get close to the play offs. Chair, Willock, Dieng, Dickie even Dunne could ALL have fetched a good fee last summer. Now we will have to sell more of them as their stock has fallen and we are desperate.
Sorry to harp on about Brentford but they sold Hogan, then Maupay, then Watkins and Benhrama and every single time got better for it. Now they have the best striker outside the Big 6.
We should know every single summer who is going
Good post couldn’t agree more when you sell your best players every season it’s tough for your fans to accept but you have you get your recruitment right.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 21:26 - Apr 28 with 1287 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 16:28 - Apr 28 by BAWHoops
I think people have been angry with him because our latest accounts show a big black hole in the loss column.
He was bought in to reduce costs and make us sustainable.
He simply hasn't done that.
The rubbish about not wanting to sell last summer doesn't wash for me I'm afraid. We should be looking to sell every single summer until we are in a nice sparkly money spinning ground because unless we do that we are screwed.
He and Les should've been screaming at Beale/The Owners/whoever that under no circumstances should we keeping the band together when we (really) didn't get close to the play offs. Chair, Willock, Dieng, Dickie even Dunne could ALL have fetched a good fee last summer. Now we will have to sell more of them as their stock has fallen and we are desperate.
Sorry to harp on about Brentford but they sold Hogan, then Maupay, then Watkins and Benhrama and every single time got better for it. Now they have the best striker outside the Big 6.
We should know every single summer who is going
The decision to go for promotion was a board decision. Nothing to do with LH or Les.
And, as for selling players each Summer, you keep that quiet. Otherwise every club will know we are desperate to sell.
We can all admire Brentford's strategy, but the market has collapsed.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 21:47 - Apr 28 with 1242 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 21:26 - Apr 28 by derbyhoop
The decision to go for promotion was a board decision. Nothing to do with LH or Les.
And, as for selling players each Summer, you keep that quiet. Otherwise every club will know we are desperate to sell.
We can all admire Brentford's strategy, but the market has collapsed.
You produce good players that attract bids from bigger richer clubs how do you keep that quiet ? Watford about to sell a striker to Brighton for 20 mill no collapse there
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 22:32 - Apr 28 with 1124 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 21:47 - Apr 28 by switchingcode
You produce good players that attract bids from bigger richer clubs how do you keep that quiet ? Watford about to sell a striker to Brighton for 20 mill no collapse there
not sure which watford player you are refering to but if its Jao Pedro or Sarr then they were Prem players bought for huge fees; unless its Britt Assombalonga?
Was it BOS the player whose agent agreed the new contract, the player wanted to stay however the father felt it wasnt good enough.
Apart from Robinson no player has left QPR out of contract and gone on to much greater heights
Listening to WSL pod Ian Mac when speaking with journos covering the baggies that their CAT1 system isnt/has hardly produced any young players of note baring Sam Field who we got for 300K.(thought he was free)
LH didnt mention the 13 players who have been lured away from us which I thought would have been worth mentioning although he did say that there would be improved compensation for youngsters taken from us
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 15:26 - Apr 28 by BrianMcCarthy
Thanks for posting. I always like him when I listen to him. I believe he was grumpy on the recent podcast and I know he can be brusque, but he comes across very well and he clearly knows his stuff.
Look forward to listening to it all.
Beale also came across well and look how that turned out. After that debacle and the misery of this season, I'm no longer entertaining Lee's slick lines and sound-bytes. Actions speak louder than words. In the short-term, he must increase revenue to mitigate future problems once the Eze money rolls off the FFP books. In the medium to long-term, I'd like to see a lucid plan and roadmap for future stadia as it's clear and obvious that Loftus Road just isn't sustainable going forwards.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 07:19 - Apr 29 with 880 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:25 - Apr 28 by qprd
dont think a stadium moves the needle
lets assume away, for arguments sake, all the difficulties QPR has had in trying to build a new stadium in the last 10 years- planning permission, finding a site, dealing with local council, etc etc. lets also assume for a second that borrowing rates havent gone up astronomically and inflation hasnt significantly increased building costs, making these types of projects much more unattractive....
lets also assume that QPR built this stadium and it 10,000 more seats, and that each of those seats were filled (b/c QPR suddenly was able to expand its fan base even though its not sold out its current stadium in the last 20 years, or b/c long balls to chris martin become fashionable) and we sold them for £35/ticket
10,000 x 35 x 23 games = £8m (i'm assuming thats all profit and there are no additional costs to a bigger stadium and higher attendances, which of course we know is not true)
that £8m barely puts a dent into the £24m we lost last year.
using my numbers, 1 eze sale is equal to selling 570,000 additional tickets
the only way the club will realistically approach sustainability is by cutting costs (we're still paying transfer fees for players like dozzell, bonne, etc) or developing/selling players...
boro sold two players for over £10m this year.... the model for this still exists
Thereby completely missing the point of what the new stadium is needed for. It is so we DON'T have to rely on matchday revenue alone.
The grass is always greener.
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 07:29 - Apr 29 with 860 views
The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 17:40 - Apr 28 by stainrods_elbow
It's not that interesting. I still don't think he's made a clear case as to why we need to leave rather than redevelop LR (other than doing his best to run it down as best he can), his Cat 1/Cat 2 rhetoric is questionable at best, and most of the other stuff, bar Richards, he just evades or says it's not his job. Same old, same old, from a man who openly laughs in fans' faces about his own part in the lack of atmosphere at HQ, can't (won't) fix basic running repairs at the ground, tells us he's not part of footballing decisions at the club then makes sure his name is plastered over our litany of failed managerial appointments etc.. etc. etc.and sticks a finger up to a fan in the street while on camera who's basically just a bit of a loudmouth. Only at QPR!
For me the major takeout is that Hoos himself tells us he's not the best man for the job by some measure. Hoepfully, the Board will draw its own conclusions.
[Post edited 28 Apr 2023 17:45]
Why is......'his Cat 1/Cat 2 rhetoric is questionable at best'??
As for your last paragraph.....Hoos was being 'humble' imo, rather than 'bigging' himself up.
No word from Norf - Shock!!!!
[Post edited 29 Apr 2023 7:34]
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The Hoos business Q&A has surfaced... on 07:33 - Apr 29 with 846 views
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