| The dismal story of modern football... on 13:00 - Jun 9 with 5302 views | Andybrat |
You know the European Super League ( or maybe UAE Super League) may not be a bad idea, leaves the rest of us with a more level playing field and slightly bigger chance of some form of success. I laugh at the way the fans of those teams objected not realising the consequences of being bankrolled.Still think it will happen one day, the further extension of the Champions League is evidence |  | |  |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 13:05 - Jun 9 with 5289 views | loftupper |
The club still has much work to do even with money. Man Utd have always spent more than most clubs, even when they went on their last 26 years without winning a title I still remember them spending more than anyone else. It takes a special manager to put all the pieces together, Pep and Ferguson are are two such managers.
Unfortunately articles such as the Guardians (these seem to be always written by Villa / Forest fans etc) come across as nostalgia. The kids growing up today will most likely say the same thing about this era in 40 years time. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 13:47 - Jun 9 with 5230 views | stowmarketrange |
So he wouldn’t like his club to be taken over in the same way that Man City were 15 years ago then?
Liverpool dominated the 70’s and 80’s and Man Utd did in the 90’s and 00’s.Was he moaning then?
Football has changed since the premier league started in 1992,and not everything is better,but that article smacks of jealousy to me. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:01 - Jun 9 with 5191 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 13:47 - Jun 9 by stowmarketrange |
So he wouldn’t like his club to be taken over in the same way that Man City were 15 years ago then?
Liverpool dominated the 70’s and 80’s and Man Utd did in the 90’s and 00’s.Was he moaning then?
Football has changed since the premier league started in 1992,and not everything is better,but that article smacks of jealousy to me. |
The difference between them and City (and Chelsea under Putin's mate) is that they dominated through smart management rather than financial doping. Look at the players Liverpool signed and where they came from - Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan (Scunthorpe), Phil Neal (winner of four European Cups - Northampton), Ian Rush (Chester), Jimmy Case (South Liverpool), Sammy Lee (youth), Bruce Grobbelaar (Vancouver Whitecaps), etc. And then United had a genius as their manager, as has been seen by them never winning the title since he retired. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:01 - Jun 9 with 5173 views | johnhoop |
So when Abramovich bought all those titles for Chelsea, that was ok then? | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:26 - Jun 9 with 5127 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
And you can see how the financial doping altered everything from 2005 onwards. Klopp deserves huge credit for making Liverpool competitive considering he's been up against the Death Star.
https://khelnow.com/football/premier-league-top-10-clubs-most-points-single-seas
The sad thing (for someone who grew up in the late 70s/early 80s) is how the likes of Forest, Villa and Ipswich were all able to either win the title or challenge for it. That just can't happen now without the likes of Saudi buying up your club. It's so tedious.
Even when Blackburn won the title in the 90s with Jack Walker's money, they only just won it and that was that - no domination. A decent manager (Dalglish) with an exceptional player (Shearer) and some good players but it was still competitive. I struggle with understanding how people enjoy the flat track bullies in Europe's major leagues - that Super League really would have been the best thing for everyone. Let them play one another in every country around the world for ever and ever. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:38 - Jun 9 with 5095 views | Sharpediver |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:01 - Jun 9 by johnhoop |
So when Abramovich bought all those titles for Chelsea, that was ok then? |
In the article he points out that was a big, unwelcome, turning point.
Great piece I thought. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 14:39]
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:14 - Jun 9 with 5001 views | DannyPaddox |
So, Manchester City are the epitome of dismal modern football yet …
“Yes, as a team they play absolutely beautiful football”
Make your mind up mate. I totally agree money is ruining football but here we have a sensationalist headline for a piece that is little more than sophisticated clickbait.
Forza Citeh! |  | | |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:30 - Jun 9 with 4963 views | Superhoop83 |
I will never never hate Man City for their success and I know Pep is a great manager, but I couldn't give a shiny shite about them or their bid for a treble when they have bought every single trophy since 2012 with oil money.
Chelsea are the same, of course. The only difference is that I hate them and their fans. |  |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:58 - Jun 9 with 4896 views | Juzzie |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:14 - Jun 9 by DannyPaddox |
So, Manchester City are the epitome of dismal modern football yet …
“Yes, as a team they play absolutely beautiful football”
Make your mind up mate. I totally agree money is ruining football but here we have a sensationalist headline for a piece that is little more than sophisticated clickbait.
Forza Citeh! |
it's the epitome of the "it was a little bit of a foul and a little bit offside but what a great goal".
Well, if it was a foul and offside then it should not have been a goal.
Can't have it both ways.... but they do. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:22 - Jun 9 with 4855 views | dmm |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:14 - Jun 9 by DannyPaddox |
So, Manchester City are the epitome of dismal modern football yet …
“Yes, as a team they play absolutely beautiful football”
Make your mind up mate. I totally agree money is ruining football but here we have a sensationalist headline for a piece that is little more than sophisticated clickbait.
Forza Citeh! |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:26 - Jun 9 with 4844 views | traininvain |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:58 - Jun 9 by Juzzie |
it's the epitome of the "it was a little bit of a foul and a little bit offside but what a great goal".
Well, if it was a foul and offside then it should not have been a goal.
Can't have it both ways.... but they do. |
I think you can have it both ways and that’s kind of the point. City play beautiful football but it all feels a bit hollow because of the way it’s been achieved.
To be honest i don’t really care if City win as its better than Chelsea winning everything. But let’s not pretend it’s some kind of fairytale story thar other clubs should or could aspire to replicate in any way.
What we’re seeing is complete domination by a state funded football club with unlimited resources and one of the greatest managers of all time. This isn’t Clough at Nottingham Forest or Saunders at Villa. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:06 - Jun 9 with 4796 views | joe90 |
I broadly agree with article but the author comes across as sanctimonious in that very typical Guardian way. They seem to specialise in sucking the joy out of everything and anything. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:12 - Jun 9 with 4775 views | DannyPaddox |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:22 - Jun 9 by dmm |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:28 - Jun 9 with 4739 views | LazyFan |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:01 - Jun 9 by Wegerles_Stairs |
The difference between them and City (and Chelsea under Putin's mate) is that they dominated through smart management rather than financial doping. Look at the players Liverpool signed and where they came from - Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan (Scunthorpe), Phil Neal (winner of four European Cups - Northampton), Ian Rush (Chester), Jimmy Case (South Liverpool), Sammy Lee (youth), Bruce Grobbelaar (Vancouver Whitecaps), etc. And then United had a genius as their manager, as has been seen by them never winning the title since he retired. |
That's not true.
They signed Barnes, Dalglish and Aldridge for mega monies. And plenty of others for big money. Liverpool always spent big. |  |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:37 - Jun 9 with 4721 views | stowmarketrange |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:28 - Jun 9 by LazyFan |
That's not true.
They signed Barnes, Dalglish and Aldridge for mega monies. And plenty of others for big money. Liverpool always spent big. |
And Van Dyck for £75 million a few years ago when £75 million actually meant something. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:43 - Jun 9 with 4703 views | MedwayR |
Isn't it always the case that those who spend big and spend wisely generally finish at the top and win things.
Arsenal did the same about a century ago didn't they, making them a big club? It's a bit different now but it's always happened, even us under Jim Gregory spent big for a club our size to achieve. The FFP breaches by City don't bother me as the rules are a farce and only designed to protect the established top order.
I find a lot of the whinging about Arab money (this goes for the golf too) and human rights a touch hypocritical considering the western worlds record with human rights in the past, and USA's acceptance of the regular massacre of schoolchildren in their country to this day. I'm not defending Saudi Arabia etc & their records by the way, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
A lot of the articles about City seem to be motivated by jealousy, I doubt we'd hear much about it all if City were crap. |  |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 18:08 - Jun 9 with 4643 views | dmm |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:43 - Jun 9 by MedwayR |
Isn't it always the case that those who spend big and spend wisely generally finish at the top and win things.
Arsenal did the same about a century ago didn't they, making them a big club? It's a bit different now but it's always happened, even us under Jim Gregory spent big for a club our size to achieve. The FFP breaches by City don't bother me as the rules are a farce and only designed to protect the established top order.
I find a lot of the whinging about Arab money (this goes for the golf too) and human rights a touch hypocritical considering the western worlds record with human rights in the past, and USA's acceptance of the regular massacre of schoolchildren in their country to this day. I'm not defending Saudi Arabia etc & their records by the way, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
A lot of the articles about City seem to be motivated by jealousy, I doubt we'd hear much about it all if City were crap. |
You make some good points, MedwayR. But what I'd disagree with you on is the widening inequality within football. That really does bother me.
There have been better funded and therefore bigger clubs for most of football's existence but, as the article underlines, not to the extent we see today. That big clubs break the rules to further enrich themselves and usually get away with doing so, really sticks in the craw.
Football absolutely mirrors the world in which we live. The rich get much, much richer, and the rest are left to scramble around for the crumbs. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 19:54 - Jun 9 with 4553 views | Paddyhoops |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:37 - Jun 9 by stowmarketrange |
And Van Dyck for £75 million a few years ago when £75 million actually meant something. |
Coutinhou went for 95 million. That’s where the money came from . I’m not an apologist for Liverpool by the way but they pay thier way . City cook the books .
Golf has gone the same way as boxing supported by very iffy regimes .
No real interest in any of those sports now. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 20:14 - Jun 9 with 4522 views | themodfather |
we got slaughtered for spending £55m to stay up? grealish cost £100m plus for one player! modern football will soon alienate the fans , let em fuok off to their super arab league asap but never return to our cups and leagues, ever.
the LIV/PGA golf fiasco sums it up, money speaks and talks loudly. morals and heritage mean jack.
as for citeh, come on INTER MILAN tomorrow | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 23:27 - Jun 9 with 4369 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:28 - Jun 9 by LazyFan |
That's not true.
They signed Barnes, Dalglish and Aldridge for mega monies. And plenty of others for big money. Liverpool always spent big. |
They bought them to replace Rush who they sold for £3.2 million. The three of them cost approximately that (they also signed Ray Houghton that season).
I'm not saying they didn't sign players for large sums (e.g. Dalglish to replace Keegan) but it was balanced with players from the lower divisions and selling well. There wasn't the disparity then - United spent money, so did Spurs, Charlie Nicholas went to Arsenal instead of them. If you had a good manager, you could compete. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 23:31 - Jun 9 with 4362 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 20:14 - Jun 9 by themodfather |
we got slaughtered for spending £55m to stay up? grealish cost £100m plus for one player! modern football will soon alienate the fans , let em fuok off to their super arab league asap but never return to our cups and leagues, ever.
the LIV/PGA golf fiasco sums it up, money speaks and talks loudly. morals and heritage mean jack.
as for citeh, come on INTER MILAN tomorrow |
Kalvin Phillips cost £45m and made his first Premier League start of the season in their final home game. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 01:56 - Jun 10 with 4262 views | SydneyRs |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:38 - Jun 9 by Sharpediver |
In the article he points out that was a big, unwelcome, turning point.
Great piece I thought. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 14:39]
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Absolutely, Chelsea were the beginning of all of this and the only good thing about others following is it reduces their chances of winning things. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 04:47 - Jun 10 with 4236 views | Logman |
Seems a very one-sided article to me. Yes, there are clubs with huge financial advantages and its not a level playing field but you can bet that he would be moaning if the Premiership was capped and all the best players were playing in La Liga or Serie A if there was more money there.
You can't have it both ways If you want your Haalands and de Bruyners and to have the highest quality League in the world then you can't complain when a team acquires those players. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 05:50 - Jun 10 with 4194 views | TomS |
I recall that in the early days of the Premiership, you needed an owner who was a local millionaire to win the title. That evolved to needing an oligarch, which then evolved into needing to be owned and financed by a middle eastern petro-state. FFP indeed. |  | | |
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