| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 22:54 - Apr 7 with 3847 views | colinallcars |
One of your best, Clive.
A great read to end this hellish weakend of weekends. (sic). |  | |  |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 00:16 - Apr 8 with 3644 views | Rangers67 |
Was it just mer did anyone else just know this is what was going to happen in typical QPR style |  | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 01:18 - Apr 8 with 3558 views | SydneyRs |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 00:16 - Apr 8 by Rangers67 |
Was it just mer did anyone else just know this is what was going to happen in typical QPR style |
Pretty much knew we wouldn't win (when do we ever win 3 in a row?) but hoped we might at least draw to maintain the gap to them. | | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 01:32 - Apr 8 with 3521 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 01:18 - Apr 8 by SydneyRs |
Pretty much knew we wouldn't win (when do we ever win 3 in a row?) but hoped we might at least draw to maintain the gap to them. |
While it's teeth-grindingly annoying to consider the manner of how the Owls have done the double over us this season, the main 'complacency' thesis about Saturday, for me, is flawed and more a case of over-psychologising the performance to find some rationale for our frustration and pain. The idea that everything that went wrong was because everyone was just too casual about the opposition is a bit silly if you think about it - Dykes is just (nearly always) inept, not subject to some kind of selective performance fluctuation according to who he's playing. I don't think we were so much complacent as incompetent - Armstrong and Willock were particularly culpable - but I don't think Wednesday were 'outrageously bad' either. We just didn't play enough football from start to finish, failed to create, and Colback's unfortunate, apparently injury-based absence contributed to us too often losing the midfield in which the balding Bannan was again allowed to dictate.
Footballing outcomes are mainly about creating, taking or missing chances - and when you have one shot on target at home, it's probably not going to end well. If Anderson's attraction to hitting the woodwork when it looks easier to score hadn't reared its slappable head, we'd have drawn or quite possibly won that game. Throw in a freakish comedy goal into our net, and you have to laugh or you'd cry.
Not tempting fate, but I envision a response at Plymouth, and a battling point at least. To paraphrase Bob Dylan, we're not safe yet, but we're getting there. [Post edited 8 Apr 2:05]
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 02:00 - Apr 8 with 3504 views | SydneyRs |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 01:32 - Apr 8 by stainrods_elbow |
While it's teeth-grindingly annoying to consider the manner of how the Owls have done the double over us this season, the main 'complacency' thesis about Saturday, for me, is flawed and more a case of over-psychologising the performance to find some rationale for our frustration and pain. The idea that everything that went wrong was because everyone was just too casual about the opposition is a bit silly if you think about it - Dykes is just (nearly always) inept, not subject to some kind of selective performance fluctuation according to who he's playing. I don't think we were so much complacent as incompetent - Armstrong and Willock were particularly culpable - but I don't think Wednesday were 'outrageously bad' either. We just didn't play enough football from start to finish, failed to create, and Colback's unfortunate, apparently injury-based absence contributed to us too often losing the midfield in which the balding Bannan was again allowed to dictate.
Footballing outcomes are mainly about creating, taking or missing chances - and when you have one shot on target at home, it's probably not going to end well. If Anderson's attraction to hitting the woodwork when it looks easier to score hadn't reared its slappable head, we'd have drawn or quite possibly won that game. Throw in a freakish comedy goal into our net, and you have to laugh or you'd cry.
Not tempting fate, but I envision a response at Plymouth, and a battling point at least. To paraphrase Bob Dylan, we're not safe yet, but we're getting there. [Post edited 8 Apr 2:05]
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I would say the last few home performances have not been that different from each other, but v Brum we got goals at the right time and v Wednesday they did (courtesy of a lucky deflection). Sadly we have a non functioning forward line and are relying on other positions for goals.
Logically there are quite a few teams below us now and we have a better GD than most of them. We've also been pretty much in lower top half form since Marti arrived. I'd say 4 points will be enough and we should get them. A result at Plymouth would be a good start but I am nervous about a long trip at the end of a run of 4 games in quick succession and a home team that will be lifted by finally getting a win recently. [Post edited 8 Apr 2:01]
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 02:07 - Apr 8 with 3453 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 02:00 - Apr 8 by SydneyRs |
I would say the last few home performances have not been that different from each other, but v Brum we got goals at the right time and v Wednesday they did (courtesy of a lucky deflection). Sadly we have a non functioning forward line and are relying on other positions for goals.
Logically there are quite a few teams below us now and we have a better GD than most of them. We've also been pretty much in lower top half form since Marti arrived. I'd say 4 points will be enough and we should get them. A result at Plymouth would be a good start but I am nervous about a long trip at the end of a run of 4 games in quick succession and a home team that will be lifted by finally getting a win recently. [Post edited 8 Apr 2:01]
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Perhaps I should have said 'I'm nervously envisioning'! Cross everything! | |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 05:54 - Apr 8 with 3307 views | Paddyhoops |
Monday morning and I still haven’t got this result out of my system. Still angry.
Let them have the ball for the first half basically.
Sticking balls over the top for Armstrong to run onto. His marker had him sussed after 10 minutes.
Used every trick in the book to keep him quiet and it worked .
Dykes offered nothing after coming on . Just looks a busted flush now and disinterested.
Need to turn up on Tuesday after this massive opportunity has been pissed away. | | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 07:46 - Apr 8 with 3083 views | londonscottish |
"Less a team talk, more a carbon monoxide leak". ROFL.
Was very glad to have missed that. It was bad enough listening to the comms...... |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 08:17 - Apr 8 with 2978 views | Northernr |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 01:32 - Apr 8 by stainrods_elbow |
While it's teeth-grindingly annoying to consider the manner of how the Owls have done the double over us this season, the main 'complacency' thesis about Saturday, for me, is flawed and more a case of over-psychologising the performance to find some rationale for our frustration and pain. The idea that everything that went wrong was because everyone was just too casual about the opposition is a bit silly if you think about it - Dykes is just (nearly always) inept, not subject to some kind of selective performance fluctuation according to who he's playing. I don't think we were so much complacent as incompetent - Armstrong and Willock were particularly culpable - but I don't think Wednesday were 'outrageously bad' either. We just didn't play enough football from start to finish, failed to create, and Colback's unfortunate, apparently injury-based absence contributed to us too often losing the midfield in which the balding Bannan was again allowed to dictate.
Footballing outcomes are mainly about creating, taking or missing chances - and when you have one shot on target at home, it's probably not going to end well. If Anderson's attraction to hitting the woodwork when it looks easier to score hadn't reared its slappable head, we'd have drawn or quite possibly won that game. Throw in a freakish comedy goal into our net, and you have to laugh or you'd cry.
Not tempting fate, but I envision a response at Plymouth, and a battling point at least. To paraphrase Bob Dylan, we're not safe yet, but we're getting there. [Post edited 8 Apr 2:05]
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Always the most rewarding part of the job to wake up and learn what 'flawed' 'silly' rubbish I've been talking from the experts.
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 08:56 - Apr 8 with 2838 views | thehat |
Bang on the money with that assessment Clive.
A very lazy, complacent performance from everyone - Paal, Chair and Willock frustrated me the most - All 3 probably think they are better than they actually are. | | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 09:31 - Apr 8 with 2709 views | Andybrat |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 08:56 - Apr 8 by thehat |
Bang on the money with that assessment Clive.
A very lazy, complacent performance from everyone - Paal, Chair and Willock frustrated me the most - All 3 probably think they are better than they actually are. |
Anyone know what happened to Frey? Colback went off injured at Swansea so not surprised he wasn’t in the squad. I know Frey whatbFrey doesn’t give you, what he seemingly does is effort, which we will need on Tuesday. Suggest Fox at LB again. What a crap game though | | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 09:54 - Apr 8 with 2624 views | daveB |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 09:31 - Apr 8 by Andybrat |
Anyone know what happened to Frey? Colback went off injured at Swansea so not surprised he wasn’t in the squad. I know Frey whatbFrey doesn’t give you, what he seemingly does is effort, which we will need on Tuesday. Suggest Fox at LB again. What a crap game though |
He's injured as well, doubtful for tomorrow |  | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 10:39 - Apr 8 with 2459 views | TheChef |
Probably Dykes tomorrow then.
Who knows, he might score a goal? |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 10:44 - Apr 8 with 2445 views | FrankRightguard |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 09:31 - Apr 8 by Andybrat |
Anyone know what happened to Frey? Colback went off injured at Swansea so not surprised he wasn’t in the squad. I know Frey whatbFrey doesn’t give you, what he seemingly does is effort, which we will need on Tuesday. Suggest Fox at LB again. What a crap game though |
Saw Frey wandering up SAR Saturday before the game in his civvies |  | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:09 - Apr 8 with 2399 views | BAWHoops |
Most annoying thing was that it was farting out towards a 0-0 until the absolute mess of their goal, which would've been fine for us.
Such a frustrating afternoon |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:18 - Apr 8 with 2357 views | slmrstid |
If you ever want to see what it looks like when a football team collectively sh*ts itself, just watch us on Saturday. Absolute debacle.
Sheffield Wednesday weren't much good, but they were fast, physical and aggressive and played like a team that knew they had to win. Our team seemed to spend as much time as they could running away from the nasty big men on the other team because they didn't want to get hurt. Which in the case of Willock and holding out hope someone out there will give him that £40k a week contract is probably true.
Then Armstrong annoyed the hell out of me with the constant banging his fists on the turf after he's fell over in a breath of wind again like an angry toddler who's just been told no screaming about how unfair life is.
Defensively we were largely OK other than that one stupid mistake for their goal and the second was just a typical sucker punch that wouldn't have happened if it was still 0-0.
All four of our attacking players though were utterly pathetic.
Noticed Colback sitting behind the dugouts spending most of the game looking down, presumably at his phone. Either disinterested or one of those who just can't watch when he's not involved.
Was really, really annoyed on Saturday, probably the worst I've seen under Marti so far. |  | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:41 - Apr 8 with 2257 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 05:54 - Apr 8 by Paddyhoops |
Monday morning and I still haven’t got this result out of my system. Still angry.
Let them have the ball for the first half basically.
Sticking balls over the top for Armstrong to run onto. His marker had him sussed after 10 minutes.
Used every trick in the book to keep him quiet and it worked .
Dykes offered nothing after coming on . Just looks a busted flush now and disinterested.
Need to turn up on Tuesday after this massive opportunity has been pissed away. |
I'm angry too - it was a collective failure by both the team and the coaching team. But let's rein in the exaggeration (this is the 'new me' by the way, just to anticipate the brickbats) and get some perspective. Possession was actually 50/50 over the game, and we had twice as many goal attempts (16/7) and corners (5/2). I don't think we did enough to win, clearly, but I'm also not sure we should have lost. | |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:43 - Apr 8 with 2244 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 08:17 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Always the most rewarding part of the job to wake up and learn what 'flawed' 'silly' rubbish I've been talking from the experts.
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Who are the 'experts' here, Clive? I'm offering a counter-view and, in a later post, argument and stats, that's all, so need to take it so personally. It's curious, given your own eloquent opinionatedness, you should apparently have a problem with mine. It's a noisy and rumbunctious message board, not a cult/closed shop. [Post edited 8 Apr 11:45]
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:47 - Apr 8 with 2221 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 08:56 - Apr 8 by thehat |
Bang on the money with that assessment Clive.
A very lazy, complacent performance from everyone - Paal, Chair and Willock frustrated me the most - All 3 probably think they are better than they actually are. |
For what it's worth, I thought Chair was as hard-working and bright as ever, if lacking end product, and probably mostly guilty of trying too hard if anything (which is hardly a groundbreaking observation). | |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 12:22 - Apr 8 with 2097 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 11:18 - Apr 8 by slmrstid |
If you ever want to see what it looks like when a football team collectively sh*ts itself, just watch us on Saturday. Absolute debacle.
Sheffield Wednesday weren't much good, but they were fast, physical and aggressive and played like a team that knew they had to win. Our team seemed to spend as much time as they could running away from the nasty big men on the other team because they didn't want to get hurt. Which in the case of Willock and holding out hope someone out there will give him that £40k a week contract is probably true.
Then Armstrong annoyed the hell out of me with the constant banging his fists on the turf after he's fell over in a breath of wind again like an angry toddler who's just been told no screaming about how unfair life is.
Defensively we were largely OK other than that one stupid mistake for their goal and the second was just a typical sucker punch that wouldn't have happened if it was still 0-0.
All four of our attacking players though were utterly pathetic.
Noticed Colback sitting behind the dugouts spending most of the game looking down, presumably at his phone. Either disinterested or one of those who just can't watch when he's not involved.
Was really, really annoyed on Saturday, probably the worst I've seen under Marti so far. |
I wouldn't call a (very) poor performance a 'debacle', but that's just arguing over a word.
I didn't think Sheff Wed played like a team that knew they had to win either and I'm a bit baffled by some of the praise they've been getting on here. I thought they were absolutely dire, and created almost nothing and caused almost no problems other than the Windass miss. The goal was terrible defending but also freakishly fortunate, second one, well, that can happen when chasing a late goal. I thought they were easily the worst team I've seen this season.
I hope we show a reaction tomorrow, particularly the front 4, whoever they are. The last time a forward scored was over a month ago at Leicester and the last assist was a month ago against West Brom. They are good players, they must take responsibility and provide more. |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 12:28 - Apr 8 with 2051 views | kensalriser |
Said it elsewhere, this was like watching a game between two sides already relegated. |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 13:09 - Apr 8 with 1899 views | westberksr |
cheers Clive; not an easy read and must have been an awful write for you too.
totally bereft of any responsibility or collective effort.
I bet Marti is sitting down with the whole bunch replaying that; it will take him hours to go through what they all did wrong.
oh well; off to Plymuff tomorrow |  | | |
| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 13:31 - Apr 8 with 1825 views | derbyhoop |
The front 4 were dreadful, all of them. Diaby had Armstrong sussed v early, was as quick and far more robust. |  |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 13:43 - Apr 8 with 1749 views | stainrods_elbow |
Unfortunately, it's worse - the front 4 ARE (mostly) dreadful, and surely the worst forward line in the division! If they score three goals between them before we're done with this rollercoaster season, I'll be happily surprised. (To say Dykes, in particular, owes us a match-winning performance is a massive under-statement!) | |
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| Complacent QPR caught cold by Owls – Report on 13:51 - Apr 8 with 1718 views | rbee |
Memories of Stoke away where I wrote after that game that we didn't come out fired up for the battle ahead, on Saturday, just as at Stoke we were not at it from the start.
Wednesday did come out with more fire in their bellies and had a huddle just before kick off and looked the more likely in the early stages of the game. |  | | |
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