| Clive meeting with Nourry 15:37 - Jan 14 with 16246 views | fournil |
Will it be a Patreon thing? If it is, can you give us any tidbits whilst we wait? Was it productive? |  | | |  |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:51 - Jan 16 with 2043 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:28 - Jan 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
He doesn't really back down, does he? He basically thinks he's right, end of. Be interesting to see where we are in a year's time. |
Good! Leaders (as well as idiots, confusingly) are generally people who think they're right, and follow through on same. That's what leadership is. |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:53 - Jan 16 with 2048 views | Markofthegrove |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 10:13 - Jan 16 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks for typing all that up, Clive. Fair play.
On the one hand, he seems to be learning, on the other he's still spinning to save his life. The best new one is “we didn’t have any injuries” to report on.
He doesn't help himself. |
This is pretty much bang on.
He isn't that impressive and with the right questioning, you can dissect him fairly easily. He's not as smart as he is making out, the language he uses is from the Jacob Rees Mogg school of "Im a posh rich man of consequence"
He has a long way to go and he is likely being forced into these things by club PR. He doesn't want to talk to the fans. I'm sure of that.
BUT, I hope he grows into it and changes and having thought about it alot, now he isn't going anywhere, I want him to do well. I would just prefer it if he didn't try and bullshit us too much en route because we will spot it from a mile off and already have. [Post edited 16 Jan 23:05]
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 23:26 - Jan 16 with 1866 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:53 - Jan 16 by Markofthegrove |
This is pretty much bang on.
He isn't that impressive and with the right questioning, you can dissect him fairly easily. He's not as smart as he is making out, the language he uses is from the Jacob Rees Mogg school of "Im a posh rich man of consequence"
He has a long way to go and he is likely being forced into these things by club PR. He doesn't want to talk to the fans. I'm sure of that.
BUT, I hope he grows into it and changes and having thought about it alot, now he isn't going anywhere, I want him to do well. I would just prefer it if he didn't try and bullshit us too much en route because we will spot it from a mile off and already have. [Post edited 16 Jan 23:05]
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Is one of the objections to him that he's 'posh', then?
Either way, more and more, I like him. | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 23:41 - Jan 16 with 1837 views | Hugey |
Thanks for the write up.
As usual with Nourry, I find myself agreeing with, or at least seeing the sense in, a lot of what he says, while wincing slightly at the way he says it.
And I can't believe he hasn't been advised to admit he got the comms thing wrong. Would have helped him a lot IMO. As a fan base we are very forgiving of players if we can see honesty and effort (just look at the positive reaction to Alfie's contract). I'm sure the same would be true of the CEO. Just be honest. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 00:07 - Jan 17 with 1731 views | stainrods_elbow |
I would add to that that I think CN is being held to a much higher standard than either MC or the players. [Post edited 17 Jan 0:08]
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:24 - Jan 17 with 1513 views | Rsole |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:51 - Jan 16 by stainrods_elbow |
Good! Leaders (as well as idiots, confusingly) are generally people who think they're right, and follow through on same. That's what leadership is. |
That’s not really the definition of Leadership. If you have an idea and stick to it regardless, you are likely to come seriously unstuck if you refuse to change your mind when required and don’t garner the right support from the team you lead. That’s more like a benevolent dictatorship.
I would suggest that there are several styles of leadership but overall it’s the ability of an individual, group, or organisation to "lead", influence or guide others rather than have an idea and stick with it regardless. That takes vision, buy in, support and execution to be successful.
Take Steve Cook’s style, which I would describe as leading by example. He does a lot of organising and talking on the pitch, then backs that up with 100% effort and commitment. Then expects the others to go with him, which they mostly do. It raises everyone’s game and brings the team together. Exactly what you want from your captain. Jimmy Dunne is the same type of leader and has stepped up in Steve’s absence.
Nourry can’t take that approach so he’s got to work out another way of leading and so far, it’s not clear what that’s going to develop and it’s somewhat compounded because he’s young and he’s not done this type of work before, certainly not at a club like QPR.
I hope in time that he takes more of a servant leadership approach but that’s probably not reflective of his character in the limited interviews and communications we have seen to date.
Perhaps he’s different with the team around him and also how he works with the owners. I hope that comes out over time and that he learns how/is prepared to adapt quickly. [Post edited 17 Jan 6:25]
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:41 - Jan 17 with 1484 views | GroveR |
The scouts carry a promotional film with them that features Raheem Sterling, Kieran Morgan’s parents, the parents of a kid who didn’t make it but had a positive experience, to show potential recruits.
Good to see Sean Wright-Phillips still contributing to the club. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:51 - Jan 17 with 1472 views | dmm |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:24 - Jan 17 by Rsole |
That’s not really the definition of Leadership. If you have an idea and stick to it regardless, you are likely to come seriously unstuck if you refuse to change your mind when required and don’t garner the right support from the team you lead. That’s more like a benevolent dictatorship.
I would suggest that there are several styles of leadership but overall it’s the ability of an individual, group, or organisation to "lead", influence or guide others rather than have an idea and stick with it regardless. That takes vision, buy in, support and execution to be successful.
Take Steve Cook’s style, which I would describe as leading by example. He does a lot of organising and talking on the pitch, then backs that up with 100% effort and commitment. Then expects the others to go with him, which they mostly do. It raises everyone’s game and brings the team together. Exactly what you want from your captain. Jimmy Dunne is the same type of leader and has stepped up in Steve’s absence.
Nourry can’t take that approach so he’s got to work out another way of leading and so far, it’s not clear what that’s going to develop and it’s somewhat compounded because he’s young and he’s not done this type of work before, certainly not at a club like QPR.
I hope in time that he takes more of a servant leadership approach but that’s probably not reflective of his character in the limited interviews and communications we have seen to date.
Perhaps he’s different with the team around him and also how he works with the owners. I hope that comes out over time and that he learns how/is prepared to adapt quickly. [Post edited 17 Jan 6:25]
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Good post Rsole. On leadership, I'd add that the basic mark of leadership is what followers a leader has. Among supporters, Nourry has few. |  | | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 07:16 - Jan 17 with 1400 views | Rsole |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:51 - Jan 17 by dmm |
Good post Rsole. On leadership, I'd add that the basic mark of leadership is what followers a leader has. Among supporters, Nourry has few. |
Yes, it would appear to be the case but we simply don’t/won’t know for sure unless others are allowed to speak to us - so back to dictatorship/censorship.
The best leaders are absolutely defined by their colleagues, teammates and partners. They ask for appraisals of themselves (not you), actively seek your opinion/feedback/POV, support your development and progress, improve your performance, enhance your skills etc etc etc.
Once in your career, if you are lucky, you sometimes get to work with someone like that and work isn’t such a massive pain in the arse anymore. It’s fun, productive, engaging and rewarding all of a sudden.
Much like when QPR actually win a few times in a row, which I mostly attribute to Marti’s leadership approach and the resulting turn around in MOST players’ performances.
Now that our winter break (sponsored by J Lynch & Co), AKA The FA Cup is out of the way, I trust we can return to this promised land by clumping the Janners, all the way along the A303. | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 08:24 - Jan 17 with 1274 views | numptydumpty |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:53 - Jan 16 by Markofthegrove |
This is pretty much bang on.
He isn't that impressive and with the right questioning, you can dissect him fairly easily. He's not as smart as he is making out, the language he uses is from the Jacob Rees Mogg school of "Im a posh rich man of consequence"
He has a long way to go and he is likely being forced into these things by club PR. He doesn't want to talk to the fans. I'm sure of that.
BUT, I hope he grows into it and changes and having thought about it alot, now he isn't going anywhere, I want him to do well. I would just prefer it if he didn't try and bullshit us too much en route because we will spot it from a mile off and already have. [Post edited 16 Jan 23:05]
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His way of communicating is not the norm.
But I am not bothered about that.
It's the results on the pitch and in the bank accounts that concern me.
So far, it seems positive.
The proof of Nourrys reign is when we lose Marti. Will there be a seamless transition that continues upwards.
It's difficult to judge after such a short time.
The way he announces new players or talks up the club is really irrelevant.
As said if transfer policy continues positively and managers and coaches get us playing attractive and winning football, could not care less if he communicated in Japanese if he wants.
Time is required before we can make judgements on the success or failure of Mr Nourry. [Post edited 17 Jan 8:25]
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 08:53 - Jan 17 with 1206 views | dm97 |
Thanks for writing these up Clive. Without wanting to sound cynical, there’s no tangible shift here beyond letting us know when players are injured. Academy/scouting stuff all looks good as does the approach to loans.
But if anyone is buying the idea not revealing contract lengths maximises revenue please buy my bridge. Morgan going for 5, 10, 15, 20 million will not be dependent on whether we and other clubs know he’s signed a 3/4/5 year deal. For someone who talks so much about the analytics side of football I find this hill he’s dying on so strange.
Clearly not going to change, will irk me for as long as he’s here, but best get used to it. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 09:20 - Jan 17 with 1134 views | nix |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 08:24 - Jan 17 by numptydumpty |
His way of communicating is not the norm.
But I am not bothered about that.
It's the results on the pitch and in the bank accounts that concern me.
So far, it seems positive.
The proof of Nourrys reign is when we lose Marti. Will there be a seamless transition that continues upwards.
It's difficult to judge after such a short time.
The way he announces new players or talks up the club is really irrelevant.
As said if transfer policy continues positively and managers and coaches get us playing attractive and winning football, could not care less if he communicated in Japanese if he wants.
Time is required before we can make judgements on the success or failure of Mr Nourry. [Post edited 17 Jan 8:25]
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I agree with this. How we're doing financially is a big factor.
If we can continue to bring in younger players with potential and avoid the disasters of the McClaren era when we brought in all those expensive old timers when it went tits up or the silly Johanssen/Austin year where we stuffed two FFP years subsequently then that's important too.
I think he's learning from some of the mistakes.
If he manages to keep Dunne and Kolli as well as Morgan that'll be a big plus point. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 10:25 - Jan 17 with 954 views | wombat |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 09:20 - Jan 17 by nix |
I agree with this. How we're doing financially is a big factor.
If we can continue to bring in younger players with potential and avoid the disasters of the McClaren era when we brought in all those expensive old timers when it went tits up or the silly Johanssen/Austin year where we stuffed two FFP years subsequently then that's important too.
I think he's learning from some of the mistakes.
If he manages to keep Dunne and Kolli as well as Morgan that'll be a big plus point. |
one issue is we do need some older heads around the place , the cooks are way to important to loose and leave it to a group of youngsters to get on with , id still hope hadyn comes back in jan after his loan with portsmouth ends in the summer , colback wont be kept on , |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 10:45 - Jan 17 with 896 views | lassel |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 16:29 - Jan 16 by Northernr |
I think Ashby is OOC shortly anyway, so this has been like an extended trial. |
Don’t think he’s out of contract this summer but as posted in the thread claiming he was a cnt, it’s definitely a trial of sorts and as Cifuentes likes him I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up going permanent already at the end of the month, especially so if Reuben has someone else he would like to punt our way. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 11:22 - Jan 17 with 802 views | GaryHaddock |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 10:45 - Jan 17 by lassel |
Don’t think he’s out of contract this summer but as posted in the thread claiming he was a cnt, it’s definitely a trial of sorts and as Cifuentes likes him I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up going permanent already at the end of the month, especially so if Reuben has someone else he would like to punt our way. |
Ah, is this bullshit still going on?
Signings by football people only please. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:11 - Jan 17 with 690 views | Juzzie |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 22:51 - Jan 16 by stainrods_elbow |
Good! Leaders (as well as idiots, confusingly) are generally people who think they're right, and follow through on same. That's what leadership is. |
To a degree yes but I think they have to listen too and maybe realise that occasionally another option might actually be better. If they choose to carry on with their own direction that's fine, but don't be surprised if it all goes pete tong. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:23 - Jan 17 with 631 views | tkqpr |
"Had a deal set up for a Liverpool player in the summer which ultimately didn’t happen but a good process with them"
Any idea who he was referring to here Clive?
Not Ben Doak was it? 😬 |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:25 - Jan 17 with 619 views | Northernr |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:23 - Jan 17 by tkqpr |
"Had a deal set up for a Liverpool player in the summer which ultimately didn’t happen but a good process with them"
Any idea who he was referring to here Clive?
Not Ben Doak was it? 😬 |
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say Owen Beck, who is now at Blackburn. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:47 - Jan 17 with 530 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 10:25 - Jan 17 by wombat |
one issue is we do need some older heads around the place , the cooks are way to important to loose and leave it to a group of youngsters to get on with , id still hope hadyn comes back in jan after his loan with portsmouth ends in the summer , colback wont be kept on , |
kept out of a poor Portsmouth team by Dozzel?
Not what we need imho |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 13:38 - Jan 17 with 395 views | nix |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 12:47 - Jan 17 by nick_hammersmith |
kept out of a poor Portsmouth team by Dozzel?
Not what we need imho |
I agree. I just don't think Hayden is the second coming. Yes we need experience but not at the cost of stuffing FFP for the next two years. Has to be a balance. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:09 - Jan 17 with 250 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:28 - Jan 16 by Wegerles_Stairs |
He doesn't really back down, does he? He basically thinks he's right, end of. Be interesting to see where we are in a year's time. |
Bear in mind that he isn't the owner, he's an employee. Given this, his age and lack of experience, it's very likely that he's taking direction from the owners/board. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:11 - Jan 17 with 238 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 06:24 - Jan 17 by Rsole |
That’s not really the definition of Leadership. If you have an idea and stick to it regardless, you are likely to come seriously unstuck if you refuse to change your mind when required and don’t garner the right support from the team you lead. That’s more like a benevolent dictatorship.
I would suggest that there are several styles of leadership but overall it’s the ability of an individual, group, or organisation to "lead", influence or guide others rather than have an idea and stick with it regardless. That takes vision, buy in, support and execution to be successful.
Take Steve Cook’s style, which I would describe as leading by example. He does a lot of organising and talking on the pitch, then backs that up with 100% effort and commitment. Then expects the others to go with him, which they mostly do. It raises everyone’s game and brings the team together. Exactly what you want from your captain. Jimmy Dunne is the same type of leader and has stepped up in Steve’s absence.
Nourry can’t take that approach so he’s got to work out another way of leading and so far, it’s not clear what that’s going to develop and it’s somewhat compounded because he’s young and he’s not done this type of work before, certainly not at a club like QPR.
I hope in time that he takes more of a servant leadership approach but that’s probably not reflective of his character in the limited interviews and communications we have seen to date.
Perhaps he’s different with the team around him and also how he works with the owners. I hope that comes out over time and that he learns how/is prepared to adapt quickly. [Post edited 17 Jan 6:25]
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Yes, you're right - leaders also listen and adapt. But I do think they're only 'democratic' to a point. They show the way. | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:32 - Jan 17 with 164 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:09 - Jan 17 by Benny_the_Ball |
Bear in mind that he isn't the owner, he's an employee. Given this, his age and lack of experience, it's very likely that he's taking direction from the owners/board. |
Good point. He's not operating autonomously, so if people feel unhappy with him, they need to widen the lens. | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:34 - Jan 17 with 157 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:11 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Yes, you're right - leaders also listen and adapt. But I do think they're only 'democratic' to a point. They show the way. |
There are numerous types of leadership, not just one size fits all. Much depends on the group that you are trying to lead and the environment in which you are working. Leading a battalion into battle will require a very different skill set to managing a donkey sanctuary.
In any event, as I stated earlier, Nourry is not our ultimate leader. He is employed by the club to perform a role (albeit a senior one). He will be taking direction from above so he can't just do whatever he pleases. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:36 - Jan 17 with 143 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:34 - Jan 17 by Benny_the_Ball |
There are numerous types of leadership, not just one size fits all. Much depends on the group that you are trying to lead and the environment in which you are working. Leading a battalion into battle will require a very different skill set to managing a donkey sanctuary.
In any event, as I stated earlier, Nourry is not our ultimate leader. He is employed by the club to perform a role (albeit a senior one). He will be taking direction from above so he can't just do whatever he pleases. |
Yes, and I just agreed with you in my previous post. It's an interesting discussion. | |
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