| Marti post-Cardiff 17:53 - Apr 5 with 8562 views | stainrods_elbow |
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/0_khx98nby
'Perhaps not the best football game' - quite! Looks tired, beaten down, and out of ideas. Has he taken this squad as far as he can? Whether we sink or not, I guess he'll be weighing up his options, and no doubt the club will be too. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:53]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 02:30 - Apr 6 with 2306 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 01:31 - Apr 6 by ozexile |
Ha ha of course a guy on so many thousands a week is definitely going to throw the CEO under the bus in an interview isn't he. |
Christ, you're a tiresome idiot, aren't you? That's ok, run along, and don't get actual facts, hard-working reportage, and reasoned argument get in the way of your blinkered idiocy. | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 02:56 - Apr 6 with 2265 views | Rangersw12 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 02:30 - Apr 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Christ, you're a tiresome idiot, aren't you? That's ok, run along, and don't get actual facts, hard-working reportage, and reasoned argument get in the way of your blinkered idiocy. |
Surely the fact the club are keeping Marti away from everyone bar official structured club communications speaks volumes and that they are clearly terrified about what he could say |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 03:04 - Apr 6 with 2257 views | ozexile |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 02:30 - Apr 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Christ, you're a tiresome idiot, aren't you? That's ok, run along, and don't get actual facts, hard-working reportage, and reasoned argument get in the way of your blinkered idiocy. |
Ha ha enjoy your evening. Some on here try to ignore you. I think you're good value. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 07:25 - Apr 6 with 2126 views | WestonsuperR |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:25 - Apr 5 by ytt28 |
The manager is not the problem. |
Totally agree.
Considering the size of the club, playing squad and extensive injuries which have disrupted the season it’s a minor miracle we aren’t in the bottom 3, although we still might be.
To come into the season with the Strikers we had, with 1 Championship goal between them was a huge error, I’m assuming Marti wasn’t part of that decision but would love to hear his true view on it.
Considering the team and position Marti inherited overall he has done pretty well well, not outstanding but I’d be sad to see him leave. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 07:46 - Apr 6 with 2080 views | Mr_Beef |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 07:25 - Apr 6 by WestonsuperR |
Totally agree.
Considering the size of the club, playing squad and extensive injuries which have disrupted the season it’s a minor miracle we aren’t in the bottom 3, although we still might be.
To come into the season with the Strikers we had, with 1 Championship goal between them was a huge error, I’m assuming Marti wasn’t part of that decision but would love to hear his true view on it.
Considering the team and position Marti inherited overall he has done pretty well well, not outstanding but I’d be sad to see him leave. |
Yes, agree with that.
I think MC has done a decent job at the club, not necessarily a brilliant one. That said, I think he's one of the few managers, if not the only one, to keep a squad as weak as this as high as he has.
If you factor in all the injuries then keeping us up this season has to count as a success. It's a shame that we're unlikely to see him manage us with the sort of players that would fit his style of football.
The leadership of the club off the pitch needa a serious review. A waste of the FFP headroom last summer, and an appalling set of injuries that reflect poorly on the medical side of the club throughout the season. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 08:03 - Apr 6 with 2036 views | lassel |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 22:43 - Apr 5 by stainrods_elbow |
And still, for the love of all the angels! I've explained this clearly, several times, with support from authentic articles in which Marti has made matters clear re the collective decision-making around recruitment, which HE HIMSELF CALLED 'NEARLY PERFECT' LAST SUMMER!
No one - NO ONE - has come to QPR over the manager's head. It's his squad, his coaching, and his players. Unless anyone here can produce properly referenced counter-arguments rather than hearsay, they should stop embarrassing themselves with this zombiefied piffle in order to go on protecting MC from legitimate criticism. [Post edited 5 Apr 22:45]
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Jesus wept.
Hard drive check. Now. [Post edited 6 Apr 8:08]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 08:07 - Apr 6 with 2021 views | lassel |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 20:01 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
And good luck to him if that is the case.
No one will begrudge him any success he goes on to have.
There seems to be too much to change for him to be the success we want him to be at QPR including the whole structure and mentality of English football.
I wish we could go back to the eras where it was a far more level playing field but even then Sir Matt Busby would have been the wrong choice as QPR manager in 1965 whereas Stock was the right man at the right time.
We need a manager who can work in the conditions we find ourselves in rather than one who, it seems, would have been the perfect choice in different circumstances. |
I mean of course in theory what you say is correct, we should look to move on from Cifuentes to someone who can make Nourryball work.
The key question is who is the mythical manager who can make Nourrys system work with no full backs, no strikers, your best centre back injured and counting down the days to retirement anyway, your extremely expensive marquee signing more out of his depth than a Titanic victim and a coterie of ‘creative’ players knocked over by a passing pigeon.
Cifuentes will go and be a big success somewhere else, which I would imagine nobody would begrudge him after 18 months of dealing with Nourry, but with the pathetic squad Nourry has put together we would be better served by going out and getting Kyle Hudlin, giving Big Sam the job and playing a 9-0-1 formation to grind out 46 x 0-0’s. [Post edited 6 Apr 8:11]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:01 - Apr 6 with 1872 views | NorthantsHoop |
Watching it yesterday, thought he got it all wrong in 2nd half tactically, especially up front and with how we set up with substitutions. We know that Field had to come off getting back to fitness and Lloyd picked up a knock, but the game was calling out for a bold move, when Lloyd went off would have sent Dunne up as centre forward or even Edwards ( he could probably do a job at there), shove Ashby or Bennie at right back. We basically had no presence up front down the middle for last 3rd of the game, Dembele cannot play the centre forward forward role. Cardiff were there for the taking a bit of bold thinking by Marti could have won this game, I do feel he has a certain way to play and does not veer away from this and his substitutions tend to be underwhelming at times. Didn't really see where Bennie was adding value when he took the Korean lad off. |  | | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:02 - Apr 6 with 1870 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 08:07 - Apr 6 by lassel |
I mean of course in theory what you say is correct, we should look to move on from Cifuentes to someone who can make Nourryball work.
The key question is who is the mythical manager who can make Nourrys system work with no full backs, no strikers, your best centre back injured and counting down the days to retirement anyway, your extremely expensive marquee signing more out of his depth than a Titanic victim and a coterie of ‘creative’ players knocked over by a passing pigeon.
Cifuentes will go and be a big success somewhere else, which I would imagine nobody would begrudge him after 18 months of dealing with Nourry, but with the pathetic squad Nourry has put together we would be better served by going out and getting Kyle Hudlin, giving Big Sam the job and playing a 9-0-1 formation to grind out 46 x 0-0’s. [Post edited 6 Apr 8:11]
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You're spot on, it will be an incredibly difficult task to find a manager who can work with both Nourry and the financial restrictions which we need to operate under regardless of whether he is at the club or not.
Bloody difficult.
It's an ridiculous situation we're in and the chances of finding a manager who can successfully work under both are low.
But those circumstances aren't changing any time soon. We're not the club we were in the 70s/80s/90s and the club owners are committed to the model.
It's a frustrating situation especially for those of us who witnessed the glory days of those decades above but we can't pretend that things are on the cusp of changing.
We will be proud of the role we played on Marti's journey if he is as successful as is believed he will be, but he's simply here at the wrong time and under the wrong circumstances for that success to happen here and we need to go back on the merry-go-around and hope we hit lucky. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:11 - Apr 6 with 1815 views | Logman |
It would be good if we could retain Marti. He's good with the young players. He gives them a chance and nurtures them well. Previous managers haven't given them a look-in and it is obvious that that is the way the club has got to go. I can't think of many other managers on the circuit who would be so adept at resorting to kids. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:27 - Apr 6 with 1763 views | Paddyhoops |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:06 - Apr 5 by Northernr |
Seconded.
Looking forward to these same threads next year slagging off whichever poor sap is left to manage a team put together by ppl who know as much about football as you and I, using fancy lap top algorithms. |
Feel for Marti at the moment. He hasn’t got the tools at his disposal to his job properly.
I’m as plasterer by trade but if someone gives me hammer and says can you plaster that wall with it . I’m kinda f**ed .
He’s not entirely blameless but he’s p**sing against the wind at the moment.
No Marti chants yesterday either which was telling.
Noticeable that Eze got two more assists yesterday and is having a strong end to the season.
Can’t wait to see what we do with that windfall if he moves on .
I doubt Marti will be here to spend it. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:37 - Apr 6 with 1740 views | kropotkin41 |
Are we all so sure that Marti won't stay, or is his departure just being rolled into the general wave of pessimism? Personally, given that "the manager isn't the problem" seems to be a statement of fact to me, having a good manager under difficult circumstances seems preferable to change for change sake.
I mean if we're League One bound, also a common refrain now and last season, and Marti's leaving, why did we bother at all?
We do depressed very well on LFW.
I'd rather be where we are than where CCFC are right now - and they hate their owner with a passion. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 11:22 - Apr 6 with 1656 views | daveB |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:01 - Apr 6 by NorthantsHoop |
Watching it yesterday, thought he got it all wrong in 2nd half tactically, especially up front and with how we set up with substitutions. We know that Field had to come off getting back to fitness and Lloyd picked up a knock, but the game was calling out for a bold move, when Lloyd went off would have sent Dunne up as centre forward or even Edwards ( he could probably do a job at there), shove Ashby or Bennie at right back. We basically had no presence up front down the middle for last 3rd of the game, Dembele cannot play the centre forward forward role. Cardiff were there for the taking a bit of bold thinking by Marti could have won this game, I do feel he has a certain way to play and does not veer away from this and his substitutions tend to be underwhelming at times. Didn't really see where Bennie was adding value when he took the Korean lad off. |
I'm not sure putting Dunne up front changes too much here, we don't have a single fit or decent centre forward at the club, sticking defenders up there is not going to improve us |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 15:34 - Apr 6 with 1475 views | captainmycaptian |
Don't get me wrong I was there with my 2 sons. One I am trying to get to step away from the glory hunterness of supporting arsenal and never going ( like most of his mums family) and joining the miserable lot down at HQ.
So yes that was a poor performance and we could have lost. The atmosphere seemed down when we got there not been in a few months. Presumably getting smashed a lot doesn't help.
But and a big but (shouldn't start a new paragraph with a but to all the grammar nazis out there) MC has done a great job from what he was left with end off. He is the best thing to happen to this club in a long while. The injury list is terrible if you want to moan then aim at the conditioning team/nutrition experts. The team looked scarred and nervous no real play maker on the pitch. Let's support them on to get enough points rest and recuperate for next year.
MC needs to stay he can and will build a functioning wining team, he wants to plays the football that we like to see. Please don't hound him out give a manager that is worth it, more of a chance, than one unlucky small budget season it takes years.
Personally I would like him here 5 years bringing the youth through ect. Yes that game was pants but I have seen a lot worse
and in recent memory. The fans the ground the area deserves it and It will come. Those at Oxford on Wednesday cheer them on as best you can as long as we stay up next season will be much better. (Pass the meds nurse) [Post edited 8 Apr 16:21]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 16:57 - Apr 6 with 1385 views | Ned_Kennedys |
I know the groupthink on here is that Cifuentes is wonderful and he’s not to blame for hardly anything but he’s been average at best this season after doing so well last season. Terrible start to the season especially at home and now a terrible end to the season especially away.
Assuming we don’t somehow get relegated next month then I’d say the chances of him being here next season is high as it’s very unlikely any ‘better’ teams are going to pay a release fee to employ him. Doubt he’d resign and doubt we’d sack him either unless we go down. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 17:18 - Apr 6 with 1338 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 16:57 - Apr 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
I know the groupthink on here is that Cifuentes is wonderful and he’s not to blame for hardly anything but he’s been average at best this season after doing so well last season. Terrible start to the season especially at home and now a terrible end to the season especially away.
Assuming we don’t somehow get relegated next month then I’d say the chances of him being here next season is high as it’s very unlikely any ‘better’ teams are going to pay a release fee to employ him. Doubt he’d resign and doubt we’d sack him either unless we go down. |
Hope you're right, Ned.
I don't think he's perfect - the midfield experiment at the start of the season, for example, was curious - but he's as good as we've had in a while imho. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 17:24 - Apr 6 with 1307 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 08:03 - Apr 6 by lassel |
Jesus wept.
Hard drive check. Now. [Post edited 6 Apr 8:08]
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With responses like yours, I know I'm on the right track at least. | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:43 - Apr 6 with 1149 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 11:22 - Apr 6 by daveB |
I'm not sure putting Dunne up front changes too much here, we don't have a single fit or decent centre forward at the club, sticking defenders up there is not going to improve us |
What I was probably trying to say in a roundabout way was that Marti didn't really gamble on going all out for the win and trying something different may have got us that, but our team is so fragile that in the end we were all probably praying that we just didn't lose. I agree with you you can't cover up our lack of strikers with using defenders, but sometimes throwing it all at it can produce a dividend, but I am not sure that is in Marti's DNA. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 22:26 - Apr 6 with 1104 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 03:04 - Apr 6 by ozexile |
Ha ha enjoy your evening. Some on here try to ignore you. I think you're good value. |
Thanks, mate. I try to engage in good faith, if nothing else, especially when it comes to blinkered/cultish/subservient groupthink. The haters can hate etc. | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 22:29 - Apr 6 with 1091 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 02:56 - Apr 6 by Rangersw12 |
Surely the fact the club are keeping Marti away from everyone bar official structured club communications speaks volumes and that they are clearly terrified about what he could say |
Again, what's your evidence? For all you know, Marti doesn't want to engage for his own reasons. He's also made his position clear on how happy he is to work under Nourry in more than one newspaper and by signing a new contract. The fact that some here can't accept that is probably one factor he doesn't think it's worth his while speaking to fans outside the club. If it were me, I'd probably feel the same. | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 09:49 - Apr 7 with 881 views | TheChef |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:22 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
There's also every possibility that he thinks he's not cut out for English football and returns to Scandinavia or Spain.
As much as people love how he makes them feel there's been as many performances akin to today's as there has been like those against Leeds last season and probably a lot more.
I'm not saying he's overrated or not but the way English football is at the moment and our place within it means we need a particular quality in a manager which he hasn't persistently shown or even he may think so. |
Well the way that he wants to play football, while admirable, unfortunately doesn't tally with being a successful team in the Championship. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:08 - Apr 7 with 839 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 09:49 - Apr 7 by TheChef |
Well the way that he wants to play football, while admirable, unfortunately doesn't tally with being a successful team in the Championship. |
That's where I am now. I love him and really thought we'd be pushing for the play-offs this season but do wonder if he's just not pragmatic enough for this league. Warnock had Adel and Faurlin but he also had Shaun Derry and Clint Hill. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:23 - Apr 7 with 767 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 09:49 - Apr 7 by TheChef |
Well the way that he wants to play football, while admirable, unfortunately doesn't tally with being a successful team in the Championship. |
Completely agree.
We're not going to poach a good Championship manager and I agree that we should avoid the list of proven failures/'characters' but I personally feel that a manager who has had success in League One and who isn't called Ainsworth would probably be the better option.
We need a manager who looks at the bare bones we currently have and thinks 'OK, we're going to have to play 'old fashioned' here' and Marti doesn't seem to have that capability.
Marti would have been an excellent choice when we came down in 2015 but 10 years on the club is a very different one and we don't have the players he needs to work with to show his full potential and, sadly, we're not going to get them. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 10:40 - Apr 7 with 709 views | R_from_afar |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 09:49 - Apr 7 by TheChef |
Well the way that he wants to play football, while admirable, unfortunately doesn't tally with being a successful team in the Championship. |
Ooh, you have touched on a thorny issue there.
A lot of the fanbase has experienced, and embraces, flair players and the attractive football they play, so pragmatic managers who get results by grinding out wins can get short shrift.
While there's clearly room for new and sophisticated tactics, the basics - things like good tackling, proper closing down and marking, accurate shooting and sprinting not jogging when sprinting is required - don't change.
The best clubs manage to both innovate and do the basics.
It's not just the manager who is the issue for us, though. Unless our revenues increase significantly, S & P rules will mean our transfer budget will be lower than that of many other Championship clubs. I am not assuming we are safe, by the way.
That means we either need to pick up quality players at bargain prices whom no other clubs have spotted - tough, that - or we need our player development programme to finally start delivering a conveyor belt of Championship ready footballers. Or a mix of both.
I don't want to be the voice of doom but there are no quick fixes that I can see for our ongoing malaise, although I seem to recall some on here saying our latest crop of development players are very promising.
Here's hoping. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 11:13 - Apr 7 with 650 views | Geoff78 |
We need to be realistic. We're a cash poor team, possibly punching slightly above our weight, but tend to put in quite a few feeble performances although on our day we can match the best teams in this division.
That is mostly down to finances. Changing the Head Coach, DoF, CE, Head of Recruitment is as likely to blow up in our faces as it is to discover a genius who can turn the club around. Brentford and Brighton have done brilliantly, but they aren't the norm. There are 60 or so teams bouncing around the lower divisions who aren't successful, except the occasional promotion (or cup run - I know!).
No one has to support the Rs, although I know it's hard to give up the drug, and there are glamorous (?) Premiership teams not far away if you're disillusioned.
Marti has his weaknesses and we can all do so much better from Row G, but does anyone really believe we could find a better manager? And it's not clear that there's a better CE who would come and take over.
PS that does not mean I'm a fan of Nourry, just careful what I wish for. | | | |
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