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Thought about this all night before starting a new thread but after watching the card from Miami last night for the first time ever I felt I had to do it . My kids love this "sport" and of course I watched mad McGregor down the years but late last night I got so turned off watching this carnage. Paddy Pimblette beat his opponent pretty badly until the ref finally stopped it at least 1 minute too late IMO. The blood on the bodies and ground was pretty disturbing and the american fighter Chandler gave this look towards the Ref that was pitiful but he did not tap out. Even my daughter and her friends were screaming stop the fight until he finally dragged them apart and Pimblette was the winner.Fair play to Paddy he was excellent and kept going but he must have known the other guy was helpless and pulled away or eased up . I know I am old but this seems cruel and is it really sport ?
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 14:57 - Apr 13 with 1417 views
Like Mart, I love boxing but punching people on the floor when they’re clearly not able to defend themselves is disgusting. If I’m being honest I think it’s a ‘sport’ for yobs.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 16:50 - Apr 13 with 1248 views
A step too far into violent savagery for me.I have watched it a few times but only for a minute or so until i have to switch it off in near horror to be honest.An interesting thread though.I can live with Boxing but not a huge fan.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 17:07 - Apr 13 with 1210 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 15:56 - Apr 13 by Beckenhamhoop
Like Mart, I love boxing but punching people on the floor when they’re clearly not able to defend themselves is disgusting. If I’m being honest I think it’s a ‘sport’ for yobs.
Remember the old saying...
Football - a game for gentlemen played by yobs.
Rugby - a game for yobs played by gentlemen.
Back to the OP - not a fan of MMA. Used to watch a fair bit of boxing, but interest has waned. As for the participants, if beating people up in a ring is your thing, then fire away.
The comments on here are like when a woman at work says "football is just a load of blokes on a park running after a ball."
MMA done right is the best sport in the world. Admittedly, the UFC's current TV deal is more of a quantity vs quality thing at the moment but when you get a good card, like last night, you can't beat it.
You need to get educated on the sport.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
What I don’t understand is how and why both codes of rugby are currently tearing themselves apart and totally ruining the sport as a spectacle because somebody’s said if you get caught with a high shot your brain will explode into a million pieces, and yet this sport exists.
Not only exists but is attracting billions in sponsorship, TV, pay per view etc. while people, broadcasters and money are deserting rugby because it’s an over refereed, over complicated, paranoid nonsense.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 00:25 - Apr 14 with 832 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 23:34 - Apr 13 by Bluce_Ree
The comments on here are like when a woman at work says "football is just a load of blokes on a park running after a ball."
MMA done right is the best sport in the world. Admittedly, the UFC's current TV deal is more of a quantity vs quality thing at the moment but when you get a good card, like last night, you can't beat it.
You need to get educated on the sport.
Yeah I should be more open minded to the idea of people kneeing each other in the face.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 06:41 - Apr 14 with 717 views
Was never my cup of tea but I used to respect it as a sport.
But, as ever, the circus arrived and started pitting podcast hosts against skint geriatric boxers and paying rapists hundreds of millions of dollars to mock their victims.
Now when someone at work gets excited about it in a Monday morning meeting I view them the same way I used to view 14 year olds running around in Hulk Hogan pyjamas in the 90s.
Capitalism eh. Hell of a drug.
[Post edited 14 Apr 6:43]
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 06:47 - Apr 14 with 710 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 23:34 - Apr 13 by Bluce_Ree
The comments on here are like when a woman at work says "football is just a load of blokes on a park running after a ball."
MMA done right is the best sport in the world. Admittedly, the UFC's current TV deal is more of a quantity vs quality thing at the moment but when you get a good card, like last night, you can't beat it.
You need to get educated on the sport.
Ive been going to boxing training for about 25 years and I did about 30 MMA sessions. I did enjoy the learning the kicks, that was fun and the high ones are difficult as I’d expect
But most of the time I was rolling round on the floor trying to get some sweaty fellas hairy arm, knee or foot in a lock
So when you say educated do you mean from an armchair or on the end of a stiff jab?
One thing I did learn was that being able to use your elbows ,which is allowed in MMA, which surprised me is actually of no practical advantage. If you are so learned… why don’t you tell as all why?
Or is it just the traditional… I don’t like it when ppls options differ from my own so I’m going imply they are stupid and ‘uneducated’ about something I think I know about because I’ve been watching other ppl do it on the telly?
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 06:51 - Apr 14 with 705 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 23:34 - Apr 13 by Bluce_Ree
The comments on here are like when a woman at work says "football is just a load of blokes on a park running after a ball."
MMA done right is the best sport in the world. Admittedly, the UFC's current TV deal is more of a quantity vs quality thing at the moment but when you get a good card, like last night, you can't beat it.
You need to get educated on the sport.
And when you say done right do you mean with inverted wing backs, false 9s, possession based?
Pls tell us how and why UFC is done wrong?
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 06:59 - Apr 14 with 678 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 23:47 - Apr 13 by Northernr
What I don’t understand is how and why both codes of rugby are currently tearing themselves apart and totally ruining the sport as a spectacle because somebody’s said if you get caught with a high shot your brain will explode into a million pieces, and yet this sport exists.
Not only exists but is attracting billions in sponsorship, TV, pay per view etc. while people, broadcasters and money are deserting rugby because it’s an over refereed, over complicated, paranoid nonsense.
Isle of Man TT races have yearly casualties and they barely merit a mention. As for UFC . People will always pay money to see fighters knock ten bells of s**t out of each other .
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 08:59 - Apr 14 with 543 views
Didn't UFC start as an exhibition to showcase full-contact martial arts? I think it was one of those 'no way a kick-boxer could beat a sumo wrestler' type of things. I can understand the attraction in that.
Could a ninja beat a Spartan peer?
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 09:31 - Apr 14 with 504 views
Alright, settle down JimmyR. No need for two snarky posts but let's look into it.
"But most of the time I was rolling round on the floor trying to get some sweaty fellas hairy arm, knee or foot in a lock"
Yes, people doing MMA/BJJ are going to be sweaty and getting them in a submission is going to be difficult. That lines up with the usual "it's just two sweaty blokes rolling around on the floor" viewpoints.
There's a lot going on in those sequences. A high-level ground guy will have long sequences of moves and counter-moves. Take Khabib Nurmagedov when he was fighting. He'd essentially offer the opponent choices without them realising it. Go one way and he'd have a choke ready for you, go the other and he'd collapse your supporting arm and would gain a superior position. That sort of thing. It's like a chess match.
You've been on the mat, Jimmy. You know how hard it is to sweep someone who has mount on you or to get out of a body lock. There's a ton of technique needed because strength won't do it. Just because you're on the ground with a man who is sweating, doesn't make it a sport.
"So when you say educated do you mean from an armchair or on the end of a stiff jab?"
Both. Been watching UFC regularly since 2010. Probably seen 1000s of fights. Also watched a lot of post-fight analysis videos. You can't help but get a better understanding through that. I don't know shit about F1 but I'm sure if I watched it for 15 years, I'd understand racing lines and gear shit and whatever.
But also, I've done martial arts on and off since the 90s, including a few years of Muay Thai in an MMA gym and a few months of BJJ. Also, did some boxing. I get the fundamentals even if I am washed as f**k these days. I was never tough but I did love technique. So I'm not claiming to be owt but I'm not totally green either.
"One thing I did learn was that being able to use your elbows ,which is allowed in MMA, which surprised me is actually of no practical advantage. If you are so learned… why don’t you tell as all why?"
Eesh. Calm down, Jim mate. So learned. Arf! We're all Rs here. But anyway. Elbows are of no practical advantage? Well...
1 - fighting in 4 ounce gloves offers very little protection to your hand, especially when punching some thick-skulled bruiser called Tomas. The point of your elbow doesn't have as many nerve endings and won't break all your fingers if you land it.
2 - When you're in close range you might not be in range for a good jab or cross. Uppercuts are there and the old Tyson combo of hook to the body, uppercut off the same hand. Elbows are in range though and can be thrown without massively exposing your chin on that side. Also, the point of the elbow is closer to your core than your hand during a hook, so you can generate more force. Some top level boxers and MMA guys don't have lights out knockout power in their hands. If they can get in and throw elbows, they can do real damage. Difficult though.
3 - Elbows cut the skin easier. Anything above the eye could cause the sort of cut that stops a fight because of blood in the eye. It's a possible path to victory.
4 - Elbows are shorter and therefore harder to see, easier to not telegraph. It can present like a punch initially but then surprise people. You can also generate power in them easier which makes them work from different directions. 12 to 6 elbows (until recently banned in MMA), slicing elbows, reverse spinning elbows.
Check out this from Yair Rodriguez a few years back. Hard to see at first. He's bending down, his opponent's head is above him and he lands an elbow from there. Insane.
In high-level MMA it's absolutely got advantages. It's only got no practical advantage if you're not skilled enough to use it well. Not saying I ever was (although they did sound pretty decent on the heavy bag and mitts) but I'm pretty sure a lot of pro-MMA fighters use it as a tool successfully.
"And when you say done right do you mean with inverted wing backs, false 9s, possession based?
Pls tell us how and why UFC is done wrong?"
I don't get your point, Jim. Honestly, I'm not being funny. What are you getting at? Did I say something about football? I think you misunderstood my first sentence.
As for the UFC. Well, people who don't get it and don't know the complexities of it say it's boring, it's all on the ground and yet others will say it's too violent. On this thread you've got that.
"feels a bit brutal for me"
Fair enough. It's more brutal than football or golf or whatever. Maybe even boxing. Although the price for boxing in terms of brain damage is probably worse. But I get it.
"punching people on the floor when they’re clearly not able to defend themselves is disgusting. If I’m being honest I think it’s a ‘sport’ for yobs."
In MMA the job of the ref is to try to stop people getting hit when they are defenseless. That's right there in the rules. If a guy is knocked out and the opponent is trying to get extra shots in, the referee at that point should be literally diving in to stop it. It's unfortunate that extra shots happen but people can be flash KOed or even KOed and then wake up when they hit the floor. So they're going to try to secure the win.
As for the yobs. It's a mixed bag. Like football. Some are Nigel Quashie, others are Joey Barton, Roy Keane etc. There have been a lot of very decent people do very well in MMA. People with a background in martial arts are often decent because a) they don't have to prove themselves every time they go in a pub/club and b) sparring and fighting channels their aggression positively.
"The thing that gets me about MMA is it's so.....boring? They're obviously double hard madlads but way too much it is just rolling around the floor"
Some fights go a bit like that. Worse is when it's two people grappling up against the cage. To be honest, at this point I can see when a fight is going that way and I use the fast-forward button pretty liberally. There are too many fighters in the UFC at the moment because of the current TV deal.
"But like a few others, well into boxing… MMA is a bit boring. "
We're in an era where grappling is the more dominant thing. There's a wave of wrestler types coming out of Eastern Europe and wherever who are just a bit too good. These things are cyclical though.
One thing about MMA is that it's evolved martial arts more in 30 years than the 1000s of years before it. People are learning about what does and doesn't work. And then people are figuring out how to counter that. The sport was definitely a lot more fun five years ago but it still has plenty of great moments and fights.
But for me I'm often really bored by boxing matches. I love the sport, I love the technique of it but when two guys cancel each other out to a decision outcome, it feels like watching QPR in a 0-0 draw with Birmingham or some shit. Not saying boxing is boring but, like MMA, it can be.
"Yeah I should be more open minded to the idea of people kneeing each other in the face."
Yeah, probably. It's a super hard technique to pull off successfully. It involves athleticism, timing, probably some clever set up. It's not like there are two guys just mindlessly spamming knees at each other until one of them falls over and dies. There's a bit more to it than that.
That said, it's the one thing in MMA that makes me squeamish. A knee to the face, eesh!
"But, as ever, the circus arrived and started pitting podcast hosts against skint geriatric boxers"
I think you mean boxing. Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson. In fact it's the old MMA guys that he went through first. Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley, Anderson Silva, Nate Diaz. Although with him he's also a weight bully. He fought Mike Perry recently who is closer to his age but Jake was weightclasses bigger than him.
Anyway, I know that's all a bit of a long reply. But if half the people who don't watch it say it's too brutal and the other half say it's too boring, then clearly there's a lot of misunderstanding there. It can't be both.
That's like being both shit and the best to ever do it. Can't happen. Oh wait, QPR. We're both! :)
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 11:07 - Apr 14 with 420 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 09:31 - Apr 14 by Bluce_Ree
Alright, settle down JimmyR. No need for two snarky posts but let's look into it.
"But most of the time I was rolling round on the floor trying to get some sweaty fellas hairy arm, knee or foot in a lock"
Yes, people doing MMA/BJJ are going to be sweaty and getting them in a submission is going to be difficult. That lines up with the usual "it's just two sweaty blokes rolling around on the floor" viewpoints.
There's a lot going on in those sequences. A high-level ground guy will have long sequences of moves and counter-moves. Take Khabib Nurmagedov when he was fighting. He'd essentially offer the opponent choices without them realising it. Go one way and he'd have a choke ready for you, go the other and he'd collapse your supporting arm and would gain a superior position. That sort of thing. It's like a chess match.
You've been on the mat, Jimmy. You know how hard it is to sweep someone who has mount on you or to get out of a body lock. There's a ton of technique needed because strength won't do it. Just because you're on the ground with a man who is sweating, doesn't make it a sport.
"So when you say educated do you mean from an armchair or on the end of a stiff jab?"
Both. Been watching UFC regularly since 2010. Probably seen 1000s of fights. Also watched a lot of post-fight analysis videos. You can't help but get a better understanding through that. I don't know shit about F1 but I'm sure if I watched it for 15 years, I'd understand racing lines and gear shit and whatever.
But also, I've done martial arts on and off since the 90s, including a few years of Muay Thai in an MMA gym and a few months of BJJ. Also, did some boxing. I get the fundamentals even if I am washed as f**k these days. I was never tough but I did love technique. So I'm not claiming to be owt but I'm not totally green either.
"One thing I did learn was that being able to use your elbows ,which is allowed in MMA, which surprised me is actually of no practical advantage. If you are so learned… why don’t you tell as all why?"
Eesh. Calm down, Jim mate. So learned. Arf! We're all Rs here. But anyway. Elbows are of no practical advantage? Well...
1 - fighting in 4 ounce gloves offers very little protection to your hand, especially when punching some thick-skulled bruiser called Tomas. The point of your elbow doesn't have as many nerve endings and won't break all your fingers if you land it.
2 - When you're in close range you might not be in range for a good jab or cross. Uppercuts are there and the old Tyson combo of hook to the body, uppercut off the same hand. Elbows are in range though and can be thrown without massively exposing your chin on that side. Also, the point of the elbow is closer to your core than your hand during a hook, so you can generate more force. Some top level boxers and MMA guys don't have lights out knockout power in their hands. If they can get in and throw elbows, they can do real damage. Difficult though.
3 - Elbows cut the skin easier. Anything above the eye could cause the sort of cut that stops a fight because of blood in the eye. It's a possible path to victory.
4 - Elbows are shorter and therefore harder to see, easier to not telegraph. It can present like a punch initially but then surprise people. You can also generate power in them easier which makes them work from different directions. 12 to 6 elbows (until recently banned in MMA), slicing elbows, reverse spinning elbows.
Check out this from Yair Rodriguez a few years back. Hard to see at first. He's bending down, his opponent's head is above him and he lands an elbow from there. Insane.
In high-level MMA it's absolutely got advantages. It's only got no practical advantage if you're not skilled enough to use it well. Not saying I ever was (although they did sound pretty decent on the heavy bag and mitts) but I'm pretty sure a lot of pro-MMA fighters use it as a tool successfully.
"And when you say done right do you mean with inverted wing backs, false 9s, possession based?
Pls tell us how and why UFC is done wrong?"
I don't get your point, Jim. Honestly, I'm not being funny. What are you getting at? Did I say something about football? I think you misunderstood my first sentence.
As for the UFC. Well, people who don't get it and don't know the complexities of it say it's boring, it's all on the ground and yet others will say it's too violent. On this thread you've got that.
"feels a bit brutal for me"
Fair enough. It's more brutal than football or golf or whatever. Maybe even boxing. Although the price for boxing in terms of brain damage is probably worse. But I get it.
"punching people on the floor when they’re clearly not able to defend themselves is disgusting. If I’m being honest I think it’s a ‘sport’ for yobs."
In MMA the job of the ref is to try to stop people getting hit when they are defenseless. That's right there in the rules. If a guy is knocked out and the opponent is trying to get extra shots in, the referee at that point should be literally diving in to stop it. It's unfortunate that extra shots happen but people can be flash KOed or even KOed and then wake up when they hit the floor. So they're going to try to secure the win.
As for the yobs. It's a mixed bag. Like football. Some are Nigel Quashie, others are Joey Barton, Roy Keane etc. There have been a lot of very decent people do very well in MMA. People with a background in martial arts are often decent because a) they don't have to prove themselves every time they go in a pub/club and b) sparring and fighting channels their aggression positively.
"The thing that gets me about MMA is it's so.....boring? They're obviously double hard madlads but way too much it is just rolling around the floor"
Some fights go a bit like that. Worse is when it's two people grappling up against the cage. To be honest, at this point I can see when a fight is going that way and I use the fast-forward button pretty liberally. There are too many fighters in the UFC at the moment because of the current TV deal.
"But like a few others, well into boxing… MMA is a bit boring. "
We're in an era where grappling is the more dominant thing. There's a wave of wrestler types coming out of Eastern Europe and wherever who are just a bit too good. These things are cyclical though.
One thing about MMA is that it's evolved martial arts more in 30 years than the 1000s of years before it. People are learning about what does and doesn't work. And then people are figuring out how to counter that. The sport was definitely a lot more fun five years ago but it still has plenty of great moments and fights.
But for me I'm often really bored by boxing matches. I love the sport, I love the technique of it but when two guys cancel each other out to a decision outcome, it feels like watching QPR in a 0-0 draw with Birmingham or some shit. Not saying boxing is boring but, like MMA, it can be.
"Yeah I should be more open minded to the idea of people kneeing each other in the face."
Yeah, probably. It's a super hard technique to pull off successfully. It involves athleticism, timing, probably some clever set up. It's not like there are two guys just mindlessly spamming knees at each other until one of them falls over and dies. There's a bit more to it than that.
That said, it's the one thing in MMA that makes me squeamish. A knee to the face, eesh!
"But, as ever, the circus arrived and started pitting podcast hosts against skint geriatric boxers"
I think you mean boxing. Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson. In fact it's the old MMA guys that he went through first. Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley, Anderson Silva, Nate Diaz. Although with him he's also a weight bully. He fought Mike Perry recently who is closer to his age but Jake was weightclasses bigger than him.
Anyway, I know that's all a bit of a long reply. But if half the people who don't watch it say it's too brutal and the other half say it's too boring, then clearly there's a lot of misunderstanding there. It can't be both.
That's like being both shit and the best to ever do it. Can't happen. Oh wait, QPR. We're both! :)
Jesus I haven’t time or inclination to tackle all of that and fair play that’s exactly what I was talking about with the elbow. If you are close enough to use it, it’s the last of your worries
My point is pretty simple: I don’t like UFC. I don’t like the ppl and the attitudes it attracts. I don’t like the ppl involved in it, running it or podcasting about and I didn’t like the individuals participating in it when I tried it. No one has said there’s no skill in it. It’s not something I would encourage anyone to get involved with.
I do not feel this way about boxing.
It’s just an opinion - I’m absolutely fine with you not agreeing
You do yourself a disservice on something you clearly know a lot about and are very keen on by saying:
You sound like some dappy bird at work - you are uneducated
Because educated, participating or just a causal uneducated observer no one has to like it
I will give UFC this tho - the fights that should happen, happen apparently
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 11:32 - Apr 14 with 399 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 11:07 - Apr 14 by JimmyR
Jesus I haven’t time or inclination to tackle all of that and fair play that’s exactly what I was talking about with the elbow. If you are close enough to use it, it’s the last of your worries
My point is pretty simple: I don’t like UFC. I don’t like the ppl and the attitudes it attracts. I don’t like the ppl involved in it, running it or podcasting about and I didn’t like the individuals participating in it when I tried it. No one has said there’s no skill in it. It’s not something I would encourage anyone to get involved with.
I do not feel this way about boxing.
It’s just an opinion - I’m absolutely fine with you not agreeing
You do yourself a disservice on something you clearly know a lot about and are very keen on by saying:
You sound like some dappy bird at work - you are uneducated
Because educated, participating or just a causal uneducated observer no one has to like it
I will give UFC this tho - the fights that should happen, happen apparently
Well, you did ask. :)
To be fair, Dana White is f**king awful these days. And, as is all too common with the pay-pay-views, they wheeled out Donald Trump this weekend for some reason.
The thing is, I watch it all the next day so I skip all that nonsense.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 11:52 - Apr 14 with 358 views
The sport is fine, and the mixed part of MMA means there's so many different styles with broad skills to utilise. When you see the way high profile boxing has gone with exhibition matches, etc, I think this has remained a highly competitive sport.
The part of UFC that does put me off is the kinds of people it attracts and the 'stars' that can say and do whatever they like with no accountability. A company that gave and continues to give a platform to cnts like McGregor, has Trump and Musk ringside, etc... Not for me.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 13:25 - Apr 14 with 295 views
UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 11:52 - Apr 14 by simmo
The sport is fine, and the mixed part of MMA means there's so many different styles with broad skills to utilise. When you see the way high profile boxing has gone with exhibition matches, etc, I think this has remained a highly competitive sport.
The part of UFC that does put me off is the kinds of people it attracts and the 'stars' that can say and do whatever they like with no accountability. A company that gave and continues to give a platform to cnts like McGregor, has Trump and Musk ringside, etc... Not for me.
I get that and it's definitely impacted my experience but it could happen to any sport. We've had some right c*nts in charge here but if we got a Russian oligarch or some sort of Musk character would you quit supporting the Rs?
I mean yeah maybe. But again, I fast-forward the Trump bits and the Bruce Buffer intros and go straight to the fights.
And a flat Earth, pro-Trump, holocaust denier did get absolutely humbled on Saturday so that's good.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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UFC Great Sport Or Barbaric Entertainment on 13:30 - Apr 14 with 286 views
I've always worked in TV, and at one place we transmitted a lot of 'adult' channels. When they were on a multiviewer on a big screen its not a lot different to UFC imho ;p
As someone else mentioned there is a lot of rolling around on the floor cuddling.
Also, this might be the top sport for nosebag, the absolute state of the crowds at these things
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