| Mbenge 22:21 - Nov 5 with 13536 views | Lblock |
Oh how people laughed at his mad antics.
Triple fist pumps and corner flag waving after stodgy victories brought smiles and much mirth.
Yep…. He’s pacey. Very quick across the ground but quicker to multiple yellow cards.
I’m done with him.
He’s an absolute liability and has sawdust for brain cells with ball never knowingly under his control.
The first goal this evening totally on him and yet again his overall game had me on the edge of my seat as he’s like a chain smoker in a fireworks factory.
Such a shame that the best QPR defender I’ve seen in recent years was on the bench tonight. Sadly it wasn’t our bench and that’s a scandal |  |
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| Mbenge on 13:10 - Nov 6 with 3041 views | TheChef |
Looking at the first goal again, OK Mbengue makes the initial slip, but Morrison needs to do a lot more to get the Soton player away from goal and block any shot. |  |
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| Mbenge on 13:11 - Nov 6 with 3027 views | Logman |
I think Dunne at right back is more of an issue. Hi time there is up. We need a right back who is comfortable on the ball going forward. JS needs to get Morgan or Adamson playing at right back with Dunne back at centre back in training and have them ready as soon as possible. |  | | |
| Mbenge on 13:13 - Nov 6 with 3023 views | PlanetHonneywood |
If Forrest Gump were an Rfosi, he'd be posting this: 'Mbenge is like a box of chocolates. You never know which one you gonna get!'
I like him when he's the caramel centre, and not the walnut one. I'd make him captain the added responsibility might calm him down and make him more focussed. Then again.... |  |
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| Mbenge on 13:45 - Nov 6 with 2925 views | terryb |
| Mbenge on 12:35 - Nov 6 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Funny, Southampton fan work colleague said the exact opposite. He thought Mbengue was by far our best player, bar the goal, and also rated Saito.
Thought our goalie was shocking, and his comment about Dunne 'who was that absolute lump at RB' while laughing. He couldn't believe some QPR fans thought he was any good.
Also thought Southampton were lucky. |
I thought it was strange/funny that Ryan Manning managed to stop Dunne making contact with most (all?) of the balls he was meant to head on from the right touchline.
Mbenge will probably continue to devide opinions. The match at Swansea being a case in point. Most supporters at the match thought he was our best defender, while a lot of us that watched the match on television or a stream, thought he was a liability throughout!
Last night I thought he was fine apart from a 5 minute period that led to the first goal. It started with him slicing a clearance to give away a throw in which led to the ball being returned & his lack of control losing vital pocession. Soon afterwards he went on a run from defence only to pass the ball direct to a Saints player.
Thankfully he then settled down. | | | |
| Mbenge on 13:52 - Nov 6 with 2873 views | rbee |
Lack of control? The way it ricocheted off Robinson I thought he did well to stop, shift body weight and get any sort of touch on the ball. |  | | |
| Mbenge on 14:10 - Nov 6 with 2824 views | terryb |
| Mbenge on 13:52 - Nov 6 by rbee |
Lack of control? The way it ricocheted off Robinson I thought he did well to stop, shift body weight and get any sort of touch on the ball. |
I've just looked at the highlights & I'm still struggling to see any ricochet. Robinson was also guilty of not controlling the ball & it going towards Mbenge from quite a few yards away.
Did he have time to adjust himself? I think he did (and should have if he didn't) & you don't think so. I doubt that we will ever agree on this, just as I won't agree with Clive & James about his performance at Swansea!
However, as I said, apart from those five minutes I thought he was ok last night & looked far more commanding than Dunne, Cook & Morrison are. | | | |
| Mbenge on 14:26 - Nov 6 with 2778 views | rbee |
| Mbenge on 14:10 - Nov 6 by terryb |
I've just looked at the highlights & I'm still struggling to see any ricochet. Robinson was also guilty of not controlling the ball & it going towards Mbenge from quite a few yards away.
Did he have time to adjust himself? I think he did (and should have if he didn't) & you don't think so. I doubt that we will ever agree on this, just as I won't agree with Clive & James about his performance at Swansea!
However, as I said, apart from those five minutes I thought he was ok last night & looked far more commanding than Dunne, Cook & Morrison are. |
Ricochet off Robinsons boot. I think he only adjusted in time as he is young and our quickest player.
All about opinions Mr b. | | | |
| Mbenge on 14:28 - Nov 6 with 2777 views | BklynRanger |
Bad mistake, his fault, but watching the highlights he's the only one working his hardest to try to fix the situation.
Morrison (who I like a lot) didn't engage Robinson properly at all once it happened, especially since the other attacking player was covered by Dunne - just waves his leg at it when it's all too late.
Madsen and Varane jogging back treating it like a training session. What happened to that certain number of seconds where they're supposed to be busting a gut to get the ball back? It's all just zonal shyte and 'over to you Claude'.
I'll have more appetite to criticise Mbengue once that team starts defending as a team. |  | | |
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| Mbenge on 14:30 - Nov 6 with 2753 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Mbenge on 12:48 - Nov 6 by rbee |
I hope you told him that Dunne is our permanent, temporary right back. |
I did explain the history of why he was playing RB, but he was double shocked he was our captain.
We have a young lad in Morgan who played CB at Spurs Academy, who played well in the couple of games at RB at the start, yet is stuck on the bench. He has a bit of pace, can actually pass a ball, can tackle, and doesn't look like The Mummy when he runs.
It's just mad JS is sticking with Dunne. It's embarrassing. | |
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| Mbenge on 14:35 - Nov 6 with 2736 views | rbee |
I like the way Madsen is jogging back looking over his shoulder, who or what for, who knows.
Varane should be getting behind the keeper to try and protect the goal, we all know Sam Field. would. | | | |
| Mbenge on 14:44 - Nov 6 with 2715 views | rbee |
| Mbenge on 14:30 - Nov 6 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I did explain the history of why he was playing RB, but he was double shocked he was our captain.
We have a young lad in Morgan who played CB at Spurs Academy, who played well in the couple of games at RB at the start, yet is stuck on the bench. He has a bit of pace, can actually pass a ball, can tackle, and doesn't look like The Mummy when he runs.
It's just mad JS is sticking with Dunne. It's embarrassing. |
Interesting point about the captaincy. Looking at last nights line up other than Dunne only Chair could possibly wear the armband?
Three captains sitting on the bench.
Any guesses who will play left back on Saturday?
Would it be better to play a back three? | | | |
| Mbenge on 15:12 - Nov 6 with 2638 views | Watford_Ranger |
Due to paucity of other options until JCS’ annual three games and/or the transfer window were better with him than without. Neither he nor Morrison are terrible players and over time should complement each other but they’re 23 and 22 and inexperienced at this level. Cook is a good bloke and all that but seems to age a year each game so it really ought to be these two given a run of games together knowing they’re first choice for the foreseeable future.
Yeah it was a bad error and poor from them both for the first goal. Mbengue is a millimetre from recovering it and we’re all praising a great block or forgetting about it entirely.
Still think the biggest issue we have defensively is the complete lack of confidence in the goalkeeper and communication between him and whoever is at the back. | | | |
| Mbenge on 15:18 - Nov 6 with 2606 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Mbenge on 14:44 - Nov 6 by rbee |
Interesting point about the captaincy. Looking at last nights line up other than Dunne only Chair could possibly wear the armband?
Three captains sitting on the bench.
Any guesses who will play left back on Saturday?
Would it be better to play a back three? |
Well if he goes with Field at LB then that is three different LBs in three games.
Continuity and earning the shirt seem to have gone the way of the 'game model'. No wonder the team looks disjointed. | |
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| Mbenge on 15:31 - Nov 6 with 2563 views | TK1 |
Mbenge is 23 and Morrison is 22. I can't remember having such a young centre back pairing (or playing one CB that young too often?). We've regularly fielded Development squad players of the same age who will never start a game at this level - we did so this week, in fact.
They're both really promising players and this will be good for them. There can be no better "development" for a CB than playing Championship football with Paul Nardi behind you and Jon Varane and Nico Madsen protecting you.
Think in the long run - ie, maybe next season - this is a good thing. I'd keep playing them rather than Cook who'll be gone soon and should be just cover now. But I'd give them a defensive midfielder too, throw them that bone at least. | | | |
| Mbenge on 16:17 - Nov 6 with 2467 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Mbenge on 15:31 - Nov 6 by TK1 |
Mbenge is 23 and Morrison is 22. I can't remember having such a young centre back pairing (or playing one CB that young too often?). We've regularly fielded Development squad players of the same age who will never start a game at this level - we did so this week, in fact.
They're both really promising players and this will be good for them. There can be no better "development" for a CB than playing Championship football with Paul Nardi behind you and Jon Varane and Nico Madsen protecting you.
Think in the long run - ie, maybe next season - this is a good thing. I'd keep playing them rather than Cook who'll be gone soon and should be just cover now. But I'd give them a defensive midfielder too, throw them that bone at least. |
Good their ages have been highlighted as it's easy to forget just how young they are.
I like both Mbengue and Morrison and I hope JS doesn't resort to the lazy option of bringing grandad Cook back in. My issue is Dunne as the team looks disjointed and lopsided with him in the team at RB.
I like my RBs to have pace and be able to recover and whip a cross in, Barnsley like. | |
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| Mbenge on 18:15 - Nov 6 with 2303 views | qprmuso2 |
I really like him, his pace reminds me of Kyle Walker and this will be useful when we start playing quick passing again when Chair is benched. | | | |
| Mbenge on 09:36 - Nov 7 with 2031 views | terryb |
| Mbenge on 15:31 - Nov 6 by TK1 |
Mbenge is 23 and Morrison is 22. I can't remember having such a young centre back pairing (or playing one CB that young too often?). We've regularly fielded Development squad players of the same age who will never start a game at this level - we did so this week, in fact.
They're both really promising players and this will be good for them. There can be no better "development" for a CB than playing Championship football with Paul Nardi behind you and Jon Varane and Nico Madsen protecting you.
Think in the long run - ie, maybe next season - this is a good thing. I'd keep playing them rather than Cook who'll be gone soon and should be just cover now. But I'd give them a defensive midfielder too, throw them that bone at least. |
Carlisle & Shitu were close to those ages & we won the League Cup with two younger players as our centre halves (Hunt & Sibley). Darren Peacock, Ian Evans & Matt Connolly all made many appearances for us as well.
I know that's not many that I've named, but I'm sure there are others including Michael Manciene ( but I can't remember if we only had him on loan!) | | | |
| Mbenge on 09:55 - Nov 7 with 1996 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Mbenge on 10:36 - Nov 6 by Hunterhoop |
Agree. But couldn’t help think what the reaction would have been if Cook had made the error that Mbengue did and it led to a goal… |
You mean like given his own thread on what a liability he is for instance? |  |
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| Mbenge on 11:53 - Nov 7 with 1899 views | Lblock |
| Mbenge on 09:55 - Nov 7 by CroydonCaptJack |
You mean like given his own thread on what a liability he is for instance? |
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| Mbenge on 12:10 - Nov 7 with 1862 views | TK1 |
| Mbenge on 09:36 - Nov 7 by terryb |
Carlisle & Shitu were close to those ages & we won the League Cup with two younger players as our centre halves (Hunt & Sibley). Darren Peacock, Ian Evans & Matt Connolly all made many appearances for us as well.
I know that's not many that I've named, but I'm sure there are others including Michael Manciene ( but I can't remember if we only had him on loan!) |
Carlisle and Shittu were playing at a level below and weren't promoted until they were 24 and 25. Shittu was sent off twice in his first six games, which underlines my point: takes time to understand position.
Peacock, yeah, signed at 22: an outstanding CB. Connolly, signed at 21, didn't properly establish himself until 24 though. Ian Evans...before my time.
Mancienne is probably the most similar player physically, albeit only a loan: played the first few months at RB.
I think the fact we're going so deep to find examples rather proves the point that having a CB partnership of a 22 and 23 year old is unusual! | | | |
| Mbenge on 19:21 - Nov 8 with 1500 views | FDC |
What was the consensus on Mbengue at RB?
He definitely brings some added pace, adventure, and madcap energy to that side. First half getting Mbengue and Dembele away and round the back seemed to be Plan A. The quality of that one whipped cross in the first half took me by surprise, especially following the one earlier that he totally ballooned over the top.
Having an overlapping fullback with pace is definitely appealing. But then having Mbengue running anywhere at pace means there is a reasonable chance of him loosing control of the ball and making a terrifying lunging recovery attempt that maims someone... [Post edited 8 Nov 19:24]
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| Mbenge on 21:00 - Nov 8 with 1158 views | Lblock |
| Mbenge on 19:21 - Nov 8 by FDC |
What was the consensus on Mbengue at RB?
He definitely brings some added pace, adventure, and madcap energy to that side. First half getting Mbengue and Dembele away and round the back seemed to be Plan A. The quality of that one whipped cross in the first half took me by surprise, especially following the one earlier that he totally ballooned over the top.
Having an overlapping fullback with pace is definitely appealing. But then having Mbengue running anywhere at pace means there is a reasonable chance of him loosing control of the ball and making a terrifying lunging recovery attempt that maims someone... [Post edited 8 Nov 19:24]
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Not as if your last sentence happened……. Oh, hang on!
Great cross shot late on and he weren’t bad but he’s still a ticking time bomb with a gravity switch override | |
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| Mbenge on 21:20 - Nov 8 with 1084 views | Hunterhoop |
I think we need to embrace Mbengue. His pace is really important. He can bring it out well. He tries very hard. He’s a likeable character. But we also need accept that he’s not actually that good at defending (not great in the air, dives in, can get rolled for getting too tight), and is a suspension machine. Pros and cons existing together at the same time. Shock! Horror! |  | | |
| Mbenge on 21:26 - Nov 8 with 1052 views | JamesB1979 |
He’s started 11 games this season and we’ve got 16 points, conceding 9 goals. Would suggest we’re much better team with him in it. [Post edited 8 Nov 21:32]
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| Mbenge on 22:01 - Nov 8 with 948 views | Hunterhoop |
| Mbenge on 21:26 - Nov 8 by JamesB1979 |
He’s started 11 games this season and we’ve got 16 points, conceding 9 goals. Would suggest we’re much better team with him in it. [Post edited 8 Nov 21:32]
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I think we are. His pace is hugely important to the whole team dynamic, positioning and how high a line we can hold (making life easier for the midfield). But that doesn’t mean he’s perfect or a great defender. He makes a lot of individual errors too. He has pros and cons. I’d start him (ahead of Morrison - until we’re safe, then ahead of Cook). Let’s embrace him. But let’s not also create a false narrative that he’s miles better than others.
I’m all for players where the team record improves. | | | |
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