| Mbenge 22:21 - Nov 5 with 21977 views | Lblock |
Oh how people laughed at his mad antics.
Triple fist pumps and corner flag waving after stodgy victories brought smiles and much mirth.
Yep…. He’s pacey. Very quick across the ground but quicker to multiple yellow cards.
I’m done with him.
He’s an absolute liability and has sawdust for brain cells with ball never knowingly under his control.
The first goal this evening totally on him and yet again his overall game had me on the edge of my seat as he’s like a chain smoker in a fireworks factory.
Such a shame that the best QPR defender I’ve seen in recent years was on the bench tonight. Sadly it wasn’t our bench and that’s a scandal |  |
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| Mbenge on 09:44 - Jan 25 with 1570 views | Watford_Ranger |
Intrigued to see what he does now for three very different challenges in Coventry, Charlton and Blackburn.
This Edwards thing is very odd. Assumed at 1-1 he’d come on for Cook. Presumably he comes in and Dunne moves over and he’s learned from the Ipswich game that chucking in a kid at full-back against a good side isn’t a brilliant idea. |  | | |
| Mbenge on 10:01 - Jan 25 with 1499 views | Dorse |
| Mbenge on 09:44 - Jan 25 by Watford_Ranger |
Intrigued to see what he does now for three very different challenges in Coventry, Charlton and Blackburn.
This Edwards thing is very odd. Assumed at 1-1 he’d come on for Cook. Presumably he comes in and Dunne moves over and he’s learned from the Ipswich game that chucking in a kid at full-back against a good side isn’t a brilliant idea. |
You make a good point: we're under the pump with regard to full-backs yet again. Last season, we only really had Paal as a specialist fullback. This season, it's been a bit easier with RND and Mbengue available but, right now, it's looking an awful lot like we're going to see Dunne reprise his role as the W12 Cafu or else Kealy Adamson is going to be thrown in to see if he can swim.
Every year, the shouts of 'get a fcking striker!' are far louder than those of 'get a fcking fullback!' And, while there is much to like about our strikers this season, they are less help to the squad when Amadou decides to re-enact a series of famous historical train-crashes whilst on a thick yellow card.
I generally like Mbengue's overall contribution this season but yesterday he was a walking yellow card from the first few minutes. The red was not a surprise to anyone. |  |
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| Mbenge on 10:10 - Jan 25 with 1435 views | QPROslo |
| Mbenge on 19:07 - Jan 24 by strikerace |
Mbenge is too aggressive and makes dumb plays sometimes, but he is also a very good and physical defender. The fact is we are much weaker when he leaves the pitch |
Yes, and he's also very quick which which makes it more difficult to stop on a slippery surface. I thought he tried to pull out of both challenges, barely made contact on the 2nd and getting that 2nd yellow looked harsh.too me. | | | |
| Mbenge on 10:33 - Jan 25 with 1349 views | QPRJill |
He reminds me too much of Mark Dennis. The second yellow was a plain stupid tackle. | | | |
| Mbenge on 11:14 - Jan 25 with 1257 views | mart_Goblin |
A bit apprehensive to comment considering the backlash the last time I dared criticise Mbengue.
But my gosh is he dumb?
Perhaps.
To dive in like that was incredibly thoughtless at any point , but with the game balanced like that I find it hard to comprehend he’d do that after the years and years of coaching from the very base level ……DONT DIVE IN!!!
That’s not top level instruction. It’s Sunday league basics .
But also I think, and I’ve heard to some degree, that he has quite a high opinion of himself for a lad that’s come from league 1 . He can be needed in the dressing room. A guy that’s loud and often positive .
But he also rubs a lot of people up the wrong way at certain times, doesn’t know when to turn it down and causes conflict with at least 2 team mates squaring up for confrontations . He’s also been warned to lay off s certain player only days after he arrived. Not sure what he was doing but they didn’t like it .
Perhaps now is the time for him to just keep his head down a bit, become more of a team member and squad player than someone who appears to be doing his own thing to his own beat.
There is a very good defender there as was seen in part yesterday and over this season.
Not been a huge fan like others are , but he can be big player for us if he starts to learn and listen. At the moment he isn’t . He’s a marked man by officials and opposition players alike .
And isn’t as good as he thinks he is .
And that’s where Stéphan needs to take a lot of blame for yesterday too.
The first 30 seconds of the second half the ref stopped proceedings to warn the player Mbengue was marking, to not wind him up. He walked up to Mbengue and stood on his toes. It was deliberate and aimed to get a reaction. The ref saw it for what it was. Maybe should have produced a card .
Immediately, Adamson was sent to warm up .
So it was recognised 1 minute into the second half that this was a huge possibility.
Stéphan took action to take Smyth off as he was also targeted, but Stephen’s entrenchment in things that are working is over done at times. He said pre match the stability in that defence is a huge plus right now . He doesn’t want to disrupt it which is understandable but by not reacting in the moment, it’s now disrupted anyway .
Poor from JS yesterday and poor from the rest of the players on the pitch who, as believe it or not The Elbow rightly pointed out , sh*t houseried there way to 100 minutes of nonsense last Saturday but couldnt manage 4 this weekend . Madness that we caved in like that .
2 other 2 small things .
Those that stood to applaud Mbengue off should be ashamed today . Asked there were lots of them. What are you clapping ?
It was obvious it would cost us and it did with bells on .
Secondly, not a great look that some of the senior pros out there yesterday went more or less straight down the tunnel. Our captain, Steve Cook, Hayden and one or 2 others did a very small half hearted walk around and legged it, leaving the head coach , plus Morgan , Madsen , Vale, Bennie and Dembele (plus 1 or 2) to face the angry fans still inside LR. Reminded me of Cov.
All very well lapping up the fist pumps and nonsense when we win, but maybe accept a little flak too when it all goes to sh*t and don’t let some inexperienced players take the heat . |  | | |
| Mbenge on 12:06 - Jan 25 with 1133 views | dmm |
Mbengue reminds me of a nursery rhyme called 'There was a little girl' that has the line 'When she was good she was very, very good. And when she was bad, she was horrid.' |  | | |
| Mbenge on 12:10 - Jan 25 with 1107 views | WestonsuperR |
I’ve not been particularly impressed by him, sometimes wonder if his lack of ability is masked by his enthusiasm and personality. Regularly has a dreadful first touch and some of his passing is woeful. Pace is an asset though. |  | | |
| Mbenge on 12:19 - Jan 25 with 1074 views | Pindarus |
If he wasin any opposing team we'd call him a dirty player. He needs to be deselected until he shows he can manage restraint. Ft | | | |
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| Mbenge on 13:52 - Jan 25 with 876 views | Hooping_Mad |
Also nearly scored an overhead and blocked a few shots. Not his finest day at the office, but he'll learn.
There's a reason he signed with us isn't there. There's something wrong with him, but he's always fit and my god is he's entertaining.
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| Mbenge on 13:59 - Jan 25 with 858 views | Beejnewark |
Lad had an absolute brain fart, it was always going to happen one day.
More concerned about the abject game management thereafter. Experienced heads were lost there. | | | |
| Mbenge on 14:17 - Jan 25 with 783 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Mbenge on 13:59 - Jan 25 by Beejnewark |
Lad had an absolute brain fart, it was always going to happen one day.
More concerned about the abject game management thereafter. Experienced heads were lost there. |
Yep nowadays a lot of people can’t wait to have a pile on with plenty of ‘I told you so’ comments when mistakes happen.
Stupid 2nd challenge from Mbengue especially as the ref had already proved he was a liability and unpredictable with his card allocations (or not for the Wrexham right back). Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from it as it cost us the game.
However he’s been a great signing overall and despite a number of people predicting he’d be sent off virtually every other game he’s managed to be a decent and reliable player for us up until late yesterday. Those castigating Stéphan for not taking him off after the first booking are clearly just saying this with the massive benefit of hindsight. |  | | |
| Mbenge on 14:31 - Jan 25 with 769 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Mbenge on 14:17 - Jan 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yep nowadays a lot of people can’t wait to have a pile on with plenty of ‘I told you so’ comments when mistakes happen.
Stupid 2nd challenge from Mbengue especially as the ref had already proved he was a liability and unpredictable with his card allocations (or not for the Wrexham right back). Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from it as it cost us the game.
However he’s been a great signing overall and despite a number of people predicting he’d be sent off virtually every other game he’s managed to be a decent and reliable player for us up until late yesterday. Those castigating Stéphan for not taking him off after the first booking are clearly just saying this with the massive benefit of hindsight. |
And to add to this, how many games has he been booked and remained on the field with no issues.
I'm glad I stayed away from this site last night because some of the comments I have read are beyond belief. As you say, benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing |  | | |
| Mbenge on 14:59 - Jan 25 with 676 views | OldPedro |
| Mbenge on 14:17 - Jan 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yep nowadays a lot of people can’t wait to have a pile on with plenty of ‘I told you so’ comments when mistakes happen.
Stupid 2nd challenge from Mbengue especially as the ref had already proved he was a liability and unpredictable with his card allocations (or not for the Wrexham right back). Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from it as it cost us the game.
However he’s been a great signing overall and despite a number of people predicting he’d be sent off virtually every other game he’s managed to be a decent and reliable player for us up until late yesterday. Those castigating Stéphan for not taking him off after the first booking are clearly just saying this with the massive benefit of hindsight. |
Agree with most of this apart from 'Those castigating Stéphan for not taking him off after the first booking are clearly just saying this with the massive benefit of hindsight.' Lots of people around me said we should be subbing Mbengue way before the sending off. You could just see the way the game was going and the way the ref was, that a 2nd yellow would appear at some point.
Could have made the change either when Kolli/Bennie came on or when Field came on. |  |
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| Mbenge on 15:00 - Jan 25 with 675 views | mart_Goblin |
| Mbenge on 14:17 - Jan 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yep nowadays a lot of people can’t wait to have a pile on with plenty of ‘I told you so’ comments when mistakes happen.
Stupid 2nd challenge from Mbengue especially as the ref had already proved he was a liability and unpredictable with his card allocations (or not for the Wrexham right back). Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from it as it cost us the game.
However he’s been a great signing overall and despite a number of people predicting he’d be sent off virtually every other game he’s managed to be a decent and reliable player for us up until late yesterday. Those castigating Stéphan for not taking him off after the first booking are clearly just saying this with the massive benefit of hindsight. |
Afraid not . The group of fans around me all said he’s going to get sent off today. Throwing himself into challenges , trying to nick the ball of course, but not once did he achieve it.
All right in front of us in JU in the first half .
Then within 30 seconds he was targeted . Spotted by the ref. Spotted by our bench . Adamson sent to warm up. So, easy to say , but that’s not hindsight .
It’s not reacting fully to what’s unfolding in the moment .
Knowing also how much he dives in as well constantly.
Snd he did and left the official no choice whatsoever.
Ultimately, blame lies with Mbengue.
Cost us the game . That simple | | | |
| Mbenge on 15:28 - Jan 25 with 607 views | corse |
Mbengue was poor all day but I think JS made a mistake here. When a loose cannonball is on the pitch with one yellow card already you do take him off but instead he decided to take Vare off and put Field on. He should have taken Mbengue off and put Edwards on and maybe we would have won. Who knows. Sometimes I find it hard to understand JS doings. | | | |
| Mbenge on 15:32 - Jan 25 with 585 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Mbenge on 15:28 - Jan 25 by corse |
Mbengue was poor all day but I think JS made a mistake here. When a loose cannonball is on the pitch with one yellow card already you do take him off but instead he decided to take Vare off and put Field on. He should have taken Mbengue off and put Edwards on and maybe we would have won. Who knows. Sometimes I find it hard to understand JS doings. |
He could, and maybe should have done both as I (and clive) pointed out in another thread | | | |
| Mbenge on 16:01 - Jan 25 with 502 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Mbenge on 15:00 - Jan 25 by mart_Goblin |
Afraid not . The group of fans around me all said he’s going to get sent off today. Throwing himself into challenges , trying to nick the ball of course, but not once did he achieve it.
All right in front of us in JU in the first half .
Then within 30 seconds he was targeted . Spotted by the ref. Spotted by our bench . Adamson sent to warm up. So, easy to say , but that’s not hindsight .
It’s not reacting fully to what’s unfolding in the moment .
Knowing also how much he dives in as well constantly.
Snd he did and left the official no choice whatsoever.
Ultimately, blame lies with Mbengue.
Cost us the game . That simple |
Don’t agree: Stéphan had to trust Mbengue not to get a second yellow card as he has had to do on nine or ten other occasions this season. And in those nine or ten previous occasions he was right to do so.
We agree the blame lies with Mbengue for the sending off but those who are adamant he should’ve been substituted after being booked are using the benefit of hindsight. And if Adamson had been brought on early in the second half and we still lost then no doubt some would be unhappy with Stéphan for throwing a kid in etc. | | | |
| Mbenge on 16:54 - Jan 25 with 401 views | JezHoops |
At the game , all talk from myself and others was Mbegue going to get sent off. Never heard it said after his previous yellows. He was being wound up and getting more reckless . We all had a very clear view of the second yellow and for once even those who blame referees for everything didn’t complain.
I don’t think it means he is a bad man or a bad player, but he needs to learn that idiocy has consequences. | | | |
| Mbenge on 20:33 - Jan 25 with 250 views | mart_Goblin |
| Mbenge on 16:01 - Jan 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Don’t agree: Stéphan had to trust Mbengue not to get a second yellow card as he has had to do on nine or ten other occasions this season. And in those nine or ten previous occasions he was right to do so.
We agree the blame lies with Mbengue for the sending off but those who are adamant he should’ve been substituted after being booked are using the benefit of hindsight. And if Adamson had been brought on early in the second half and we still lost then no doubt some would be unhappy with Stéphan for throwing a kid in etc. |
I do take your point .
On previous occasions i personally didn’t feel like he was going to be sent off .
Yesterday, myself and many others around me were juntering to themselves and agreeing with people around them that he was going to get sent off.
Doesn’t make us profits , but if we saw it ……
I do agree that bringing Adamson on might have gone wrong anyway , but the point was , our bench (unless of course Mbengue had a knock , which is a possibility) noticed that he was clearly being targeted. Sent Adamson out to warm up, then kind’ve forgot about it as Mbengue his usual thing of tiring after about 75 mins . | | | |
| Mbenge on 20:53 - Jan 25 with 217 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mbenge on 16:01 - Jan 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Don’t agree: Stéphan had to trust Mbengue not to get a second yellow card as he has had to do on nine or ten other occasions this season. And in those nine or ten previous occasions he was right to do so.
We agree the blame lies with Mbengue for the sending off but those who are adamant he should’ve been substituted after being booked are using the benefit of hindsight. And if Adamson had been brought on early in the second half and we still lost then no doubt some would be unhappy with Stéphan for throwing a kid in etc. |
On balance, I think this is correct, Ned.
"Stéphan had to trust Mbengue not to get a second yellow card as he has had to do on nine or ten other occasions this season". Good point.
Also, the only other options were to bring Edwards on at RB, or to bring Edwards on at CB, disrupt the CB partnership and move Dunne off Moore and over to RB.
As a manager, I'm not sure, I'd fancy either of those options any more than leaving Mbengue on a yellow for the 10th time.
For context, prior to his sending-off, Mbengue had committed one foul. |  |
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| Mbenge on 21:29 - Jan 25 with 143 views | mart_Goblin |
| Mbenge on 20:53 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
On balance, I think this is correct, Ned.
"Stéphan had to trust Mbengue not to get a second yellow card as he has had to do on nine or ten other occasions this season". Good point.
Also, the only other options were to bring Edwards on at RB, or to bring Edwards on at CB, disrupt the CB partnership and move Dunne off Moore and over to RB.
As a manager, I'm not sure, I'd fancy either of those options any more than leaving Mbengue on a yellow for the 10th time.
For context, prior to his sending-off, Mbengue had committed one foul. |
Yes, again fair points about perhaps moving Dunne away from Moore etc .
All understandable and I don’t think I would have fancied that either .
As for Mbengue only committing one foul ….
I think we have all watched football long enough to get a feel for a player pushing his luck .
It’s not just fouling . It’s griping with his opponent , it’s sitting on the floor complaining , it’s continuously pushing his luck on how long he takes to take a throw in or where he takes it from and on and on ….
Just by the general way he was carrying on yesterday , admittedly mostly first half right in front of us , he seemed to be on thin ice , because refs get fed up with it all . He’s also clearly ‘known’ to officials now . Fans around me yesterday could sense it and they were right .
As said previously, he needs to learn and learn quick , because otherwise he can be a really good defender. Not sure about him as a footballer but when he puts his mind to it he’s among the best ‘defenders’ in this division .
But he cost us yesterday . I hope some humble pie was eaten whilst Jimmy tore a strip
Or 2 off of him . | | | |
| Mbenge on 21:36 - Jan 25 with 118 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Ya, very fair as well Mart. | |
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| Mbenge on 21:45 - Jan 25 with 95 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Mbenge on 12:10 - Jan 25 by WestonsuperR |
I’ve not been particularly impressed by him, sometimes wonder if his lack of ability is masked by his enthusiasm and personality. Regularly has a dreadful first touch and some of his passing is woeful. Pace is an asset though. |
He plays football like Micha Richards does punditry. A 'big personality' (please!) to mask a basic lack of intelligence or insight.
That said, even if he's a bit of a tw*t, but he's our tw*t.
My main issue that he must be the worst crosser of a ball at QPR since time began. |  |
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| Mbenge on 22:03 - Jan 25 with 66 views | Myke |
| Mbenge on 21:29 - Jan 25 by mart_Goblin |
Yes, again fair points about perhaps moving Dunne away from Moore etc .
All understandable and I don’t think I would have fancied that either .
As for Mbengue only committing one foul ….
I think we have all watched football long enough to get a feel for a player pushing his luck .
It’s not just fouling . It’s griping with his opponent , it’s sitting on the floor complaining , it’s continuously pushing his luck on how long he takes to take a throw in or where he takes it from and on and on ….
Just by the general way he was carrying on yesterday , admittedly mostly first half right in front of us , he seemed to be on thin ice , because refs get fed up with it all . He’s also clearly ‘known’ to officials now . Fans around me yesterday could sense it and they were right .
As said previously, he needs to learn and learn quick , because otherwise he can be a really good defender. Not sure about him as a footballer but when he puts his mind to it he’s among the best ‘defenders’ in this division .
But he cost us yesterday . I hope some humble pie was eaten whilst Jimmy tore a strip
Or 2 off of him . |
I agree that the second yellow was dumb , but I can’t accept he cost us the game. All they had to I do was keep their heads for four (FOUR) minutes and see it out. We had enough experienced heads out there, Dunne, Cook, RND, Field to ensure that this happened. We were big on shit-housers against stoke for the entire game apparently, yesterday couldn’t do it for four (FOUR) minutes. Walsh should have gone down, take a yellow if needs be, just kill the game stone dead. Parkinson said they ‘smelt blood’ and he was right, because we absolutely capitulated. That’s on the players ON the pitch, not the player OFF it. Twenty minutes left, I would agree with you, but four (FOUR). I mean, come on. | | | |
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