| The last post and silence 12:16 - Nov 6 with 20171 views | loftboy |
Had to go up the stairs and tell the stewards by ML to shut up last night, talking extremely loudly throughout the whole thing. |  |
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| The last post and silence on 23:35 - Nov 6 with 2726 views | JamesB1979 |
| The last post and silence on 21:57 - Nov 6 by highleverhoopL |
In large part it is remembering working class people who died fighting facism under a coalition government which included the Labour party. |
Is it? For me it’s however you want to take that minute and what makes you wear the poppy. It’s different for everyone. I think it’s for people who fought and died so that you can decide to wear the poppy or not. But I always think of young lads, in a trench far from home, not really knowing why they are there, it stinks, it’s wet and you know on the next blow of whistle you’re running into machine guns. The poppy is a symbol of remembrance and respect but what you think and why you wear it is very personal. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 23:44 - Nov 6 with 2672 views | SydneyRs |
Unfortunately the whole poppy/remembrance thing has been partly hijacked by the far right, Farage/Robinson brigade which turns some people off.
In the last few years we've seen endless poppy related posts on social media from early/mid October. Why? We never needed this before. Just observe it if you wish to and quietly stay out of it if you don't.
Once again this year, deliberately provocative stories about James McLean are appearing regularly with all the usual, predictable comments. Now one of the Irish female players is also being targeted because she's chosen not to have it on her shirt.
Wearing poppies was always a personal choice, some people are obviously more connected to it than others, especially those with family members who were directly involved in conflicts. This should be respected of course, but this current trend of trying to force it on everyone isn't helpful. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 23:51 - Nov 6 with 2627 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 23:44 - Nov 6 by SydneyRs |
Unfortunately the whole poppy/remembrance thing has been partly hijacked by the far right, Farage/Robinson brigade which turns some people off.
In the last few years we've seen endless poppy related posts on social media from early/mid October. Why? We never needed this before. Just observe it if you wish to and quietly stay out of it if you don't.
Once again this year, deliberately provocative stories about James McLean are appearing regularly with all the usual, predictable comments. Now one of the Irish female players is also being targeted because she's chosen not to have it on her shirt.
Wearing poppies was always a personal choice, some people are obviously more connected to it than others, especially those with family members who were directly involved in conflicts. This should be respected of course, but this current trend of trying to force it on everyone isn't helpful. |
well said! |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 23:53 - Nov 6 with 2606 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The last post and silence on 23:44 - Nov 6 by SydneyRs |
Unfortunately the whole poppy/remembrance thing has been partly hijacked by the far right, Farage/Robinson brigade which turns some people off.
In the last few years we've seen endless poppy related posts on social media from early/mid October. Why? We never needed this before. Just observe it if you wish to and quietly stay out of it if you don't.
Once again this year, deliberately provocative stories about James McLean are appearing regularly with all the usual, predictable comments. Now one of the Irish female players is also being targeted because she's chosen not to have it on her shirt.
Wearing poppies was always a personal choice, some people are obviously more connected to it than others, especially those with family members who were directly involved in conflicts. This should be respected of course, but this current trend of trying to force it on everyone isn't helpful. |
And unfortunately it’s fair to say some on the Far Left are trying to politicise the event for their own nefarious reasons and glib point scoring. Wrong’uns on the extremes of both sides. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 23:55 - Nov 6 with 2588 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 23:53 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
And unfortunately it’s fair to say some on the Far Left are trying to politicise the event for their own nefarious reasons and glib point scoring. Wrong’uns on the extremes of both sides. |
curious, how are they doing that? | | | |
| The last post and silence on 23:55 - Nov 6 with 2554 views | stainrods_elbow |
| The last post and silence on 13:20 - Nov 6 by JamesB1979 |
The poppy isn’t political. People make it political and shame on them. It’s just showing respect to men and women who gave ultimate sacrifice. |
Why is agreeing (or not agreeing) to get murdered for your country a form of 'sacrifice' (making sacred)? Isn't it some kind of monstrosity? |  |
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| The last post and silence on 00:01 - Nov 7 with 2568 views | JamesB1979 |
| The last post and silence on 23:55 - Nov 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Why is agreeing (or not agreeing) to get murdered for your country a form of 'sacrifice' (making sacred)? Isn't it some kind of monstrosity? |
What’s your point? If you have one that is.
EDIT. I understand what you mean now.
I personally see it as a sacrifice. You don’t and that’s fine. You and others are making it political. It isn’t and it’s shame on you lot that you do. It’s red for blood of those that lost their lives in conflict. It’s 1 day a year with a few weeks beforehand for gods sake. Think what you want. Do what you want but at the very least show some respect for people that died in various wars. Sometimes it’s better just to say nothing. [Post edited 7 Nov 0:13]
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| The last post and silence on 00:09 - Nov 7 with 2519 views | BucksRanger |
You guys are so close to having Clive shut this thread down. Go find a political thread elsewhere to post on. This nonsense isn't wanted here. [Post edited 7 Nov 0:11]
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| The last post and silence on 00:17 - Nov 7 with 2494 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 00:09 - Nov 7 by BucksRanger |
You guys are so close to having Clive shut this thread down. Go find a political thread elsewhere to post on. This nonsense isn't wanted here. [Post edited 7 Nov 0:11]
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Whatever you do, don't mention the war! | | | |
| The last post and silence on 00:18 - Nov 7 with 2487 views | JamesB1979 |
| The last post and silence on 00:09 - Nov 7 by BucksRanger |
You guys are so close to having Clive shut this thread down. Go find a political thread elsewhere to post on. This nonsense isn't wanted here. [Post edited 7 Nov 0:11]
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Yep, you’re right. I shouldn’t have “bitten”….but I was honestly only trying to get it away from the political nonsense. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 00:45 - Nov 7 with 2422 views | BucksRanger |
| The last post and silence on 00:18 - Nov 7 by JamesB1979 |
Yep, you’re right. I shouldn’t have “bitten”….but I was honestly only trying to get it away from the political nonsense. |
And they were trying to drag you into the political nonsense.
Very please to see your words further up the thread about the people who made a sacrifice for this land. I respect you for those words James. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 08:18 - Nov 7 with 2111 views | londonscottish |
| The last post and silence on 00:17 - Nov 7 by HAMRanger |
Whatever you do, don't mention the war! |
I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. |  |
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| The last post and silence on 08:19 - Nov 7 with 2110 views | Blue_Castello |
Wow I think it's very sad this thread has dipped to this level, personally I'm disappointed that it's been politicised, but i guess I'm heavily influenced by the fact we lost family in the Second world war. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 08:39 - Nov 7 with 2063 views | hubble |
| The last post and silence on 23:44 - Nov 6 by SydneyRs |
Unfortunately the whole poppy/remembrance thing has been partly hijacked by the far right, Farage/Robinson brigade which turns some people off.
In the last few years we've seen endless poppy related posts on social media from early/mid October. Why? We never needed this before. Just observe it if you wish to and quietly stay out of it if you don't.
Once again this year, deliberately provocative stories about James McLean are appearing regularly with all the usual, predictable comments. Now one of the Irish female players is also being targeted because she's chosen not to have it on her shirt.
Wearing poppies was always a personal choice, some people are obviously more connected to it than others, especially those with family members who were directly involved in conflicts. This should be respected of course, but this current trend of trying to force it on everyone isn't helpful. |
Hijacked by the far right? What utter nonsense. Maybe in the minds of people who are obsessed with seeing everything from a left-bias perspective. A huge number of people from across the political spectrum respect the poppy symbol and Remembrance Day, but because that includes people you don't like, you've decided to say it's been hijacked. That in itself is politicising the situation in pursuit of your own agenda.
James had it right when he said "The poppy isn’t political. People make it political and shame on them. It’s just showing respect to men and women who gave ultimate sacrifice." |  |
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| The last post and silence on 08:41 - Nov 7 with 2050 views | Lblock |
| The last post and silence on 00:09 - Nov 7 by BucksRanger |
You guys are so close to having Clive shut this thread down. Go find a political thread elsewhere to post on. This nonsense isn't wanted here. [Post edited 7 Nov 0:11]
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Uusal suspects took it down the usual road...... |  |
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| The last post and silence on 08:58 - Nov 7 with 2002 views | Watford_Ranger |
Maybe I missed it entirely but I don’t think it would be that difficult for the club to advertise at the ground and prior to the game the timings. I’m usually in my spot two minutes before kick-off but had time to kill and wandered in around 7:25 and had A) forgotten entirely it was going to happen and B) surprised how early it was.
FWIW I think it’s one of the few things football still does very well and the way QPR do it is a credit to those behind the scenes. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 09:02 - Nov 7 with 1983 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 08:18 - Nov 7 by londonscottish |
I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. |
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| The last post and silence on 09:28 - Nov 7 with 1863 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The last post and silence on 23:55 - Nov 6 by HAMRanger |
curious, how are they doing that? |
Well you don’t need to look too hard: there’s literally examples in this thread 🙄 | | | |
| The last post and silence on 09:41 - Nov 7 with 1802 views | Snipper |
| The last post and silence on 08:39 - Nov 7 by hubble |
Hijacked by the far right? What utter nonsense. Maybe in the minds of people who are obsessed with seeing everything from a left-bias perspective. A huge number of people from across the political spectrum respect the poppy symbol and Remembrance Day, but because that includes people you don't like, you've decided to say it's been hijacked. That in itself is politicising the situation in pursuit of your own agenda.
James had it right when he said "The poppy isn’t political. People make it political and shame on them. It’s just showing respect to men and women who gave ultimate sacrifice." |
Well said mate. I haven’t seen anything from the so called far right personalities in the media regarding wearing a poppy.
I work on the Underground, and I was added to a whatsapp group which was for drivers who were members of my union. Every year without fail around this time of year, it was anti poppy diatribe. It got to the point that I had to leave the group a few years back. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 09:53 - Nov 7 with 1748 views | DWQPR |
| The last post and silence on 16:57 - Nov 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He was very keen to call me a virtue signaller too recently. |
I’ll usually try and ignore the inane rubbish you put out but on this occasion I won’t. To remember those brave men and women of all creeds and colour throughout the empire/commonwealth with the dignity of being silent for just one minute is not too much to ask. After all without their bravery and for many their ultimate sacrifice to allow generations after to enjoy the simplicity of free speech and free opinions I’m sure that YOU should be thankful. They are the generations that were proud to serve and protect their country and their fellow countrymen which I suspect would not be so much the case today with the current generation. So maybe you should show your respect rather than turning this thread into a mouthpiece for your own agenda. | |
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| The last post and silence on 10:21 - Nov 7 with 1637 views | johnhoop |
| The last post and silence on 23:55 - Nov 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Why is agreeing (or not agreeing) to get murdered for your country a form of 'sacrifice' (making sacred)? Isn't it some kind of monstrosity? |
So by your logic the soldiers of Britain and other countries shouldn’t have fought and laid down their lives to defeat the evil of Nazi Germany?
War should always be a last resort but sometimes there’s no alternative. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 10:29 - Nov 7 with 1598 views | BrisbaneHoop |
At work yesterday (I live in Brisbane) there was a good coin collection for a close by RSL club. I proudly had a poppy at my work desk. My grandad fought in North Africa for the allies (South African). Respect to those who lost their lives. [Post edited 7 Nov 10:56]
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| The last post and silence on 10:50 - Nov 7 with 1535 views | PlanetHonneywood |
My problem with the poppy appeal, is that it's masked as 'us' remembering 'them' when in reality it is about making many of 'us' feel better because for one minute a year, we think that is enough for 'them'.
Leaving the rights and wrongs of our most recent conflicts aside, the harsh bloody fact of conflicts going back to WW1, is when those who have served return, they are often treated abominably! From ignoring the consequences of battle that can take many years to manifest themselves to the utter ignorance that was 'pull yourself together man' thinking.
I've spent a lot of time in the presence of men who fought and lost limbs in WWs 1 and 2. Frequently their experiences were that of being cast aside upon returning; precious little real effort to help them overcome their injuries, mental and physical; proper assistance to assimilate back into civvy street; and actually making them feel thanked. I've also spent time with Vietnam vets in US jails and their treatment a near carbon copy of what our chaps experienced when returning from battle and if there has been one recurring comment from all of them, it has been: I am not sure I would sign up/be pressed ganged again!
I stopped wearing a poppy years ago so that if asked why, I could unleash my thoughts on the matter which, I will politicise by adding this: governments send kids to war, often under dubious circumstances, it should be mandatory thinking and practice that they pick up the bill for any and all initiatives to help vets (and their families) returning from conflict.
My job when ever I have met vets is to acknowledge them and thank them and that is not something I have reduced to one minute a year! Last year at the behest of one of my former employers, I co-authored a paper for a country currently embedded in four years of conflict. Central to my accepting the gig, was a clear understanding that vets and the families were at the core of our work. I grilled government officials on this to hopefully ensure that the sacrifices being made by their country men and women do not get forgotten or diminished with time! If that happens, I will consider it a tangible contribution.
By the way, you can edit the above to how healthcare workers were treated during and after COVID. By all means wear a poppy, but where ever or when ever you can, do more without the rancor of politics or prejudice for all those people who serve us, be it in the forces, health workers etc! |  |
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| The last post and silence on 11:14 - Nov 7 with 1438 views | stowmarketrange |
| The last post and silence on 10:50 - Nov 7 by PlanetHonneywood |
My problem with the poppy appeal, is that it's masked as 'us' remembering 'them' when in reality it is about making many of 'us' feel better because for one minute a year, we think that is enough for 'them'.
Leaving the rights and wrongs of our most recent conflicts aside, the harsh bloody fact of conflicts going back to WW1, is when those who have served return, they are often treated abominably! From ignoring the consequences of battle that can take many years to manifest themselves to the utter ignorance that was 'pull yourself together man' thinking.
I've spent a lot of time in the presence of men who fought and lost limbs in WWs 1 and 2. Frequently their experiences were that of being cast aside upon returning; precious little real effort to help them overcome their injuries, mental and physical; proper assistance to assimilate back into civvy street; and actually making them feel thanked. I've also spent time with Vietnam vets in US jails and their treatment a near carbon copy of what our chaps experienced when returning from battle and if there has been one recurring comment from all of them, it has been: I am not sure I would sign up/be pressed ganged again!
I stopped wearing a poppy years ago so that if asked why, I could unleash my thoughts on the matter which, I will politicise by adding this: governments send kids to war, often under dubious circumstances, it should be mandatory thinking and practice that they pick up the bill for any and all initiatives to help vets (and their families) returning from conflict.
My job when ever I have met vets is to acknowledge them and thank them and that is not something I have reduced to one minute a year! Last year at the behest of one of my former employers, I co-authored a paper for a country currently embedded in four years of conflict. Central to my accepting the gig, was a clear understanding that vets and the families were at the core of our work. I grilled government officials on this to hopefully ensure that the sacrifices being made by their country men and women do not get forgotten or diminished with time! If that happens, I will consider it a tangible contribution.
By the way, you can edit the above to how healthcare workers were treated during and after COVID. By all means wear a poppy, but where ever or when ever you can, do more without the rancor of politics or prejudice for all those people who serve us, be it in the forces, health workers etc! |
Maybe the sons and daughters of politicians should be the 1st people called up to fight any wars in stead of the usual cannon fodder.I don’t think there would ever be any wars if that happened. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 11:32 - Nov 7 with 1375 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| The last post and silence on 12:39 - Nov 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I've been told several times we should be keeping politics out of football. |
What a perverse perspective and comment.
…Tell that to the broken soldier who has watched his friends get blown up fighting for his country.
The fact that fireworks were exploding in the background during the minute silence was particularly poignant - I’m sure if you were in the trenches with that sound around you, a political ideal would be the furthest thing from your mind. |  | | |
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